Re: [fukuoka_farming] The Gap Between Seedball Promise and Performance
- Every time that I've made seedballs, they've always
sprouted within 3-4 days. I've made seedballs with
vegetables, herbs, clover, and native plants and
trees. Once they get watered they have always sprouted
very well for me.
--- Larry Haftl <larry@...> wrote:
> Emilia wrote:__________________________________________________
> >to me: nat.ag is not only how one sows but the most
> important element
> is how
> >the soil is kept so that his wild dynamic is
> maintained in spite of
> >manipulation: sprouting & growing annual/biennal
> vegetables is totally
> >different than growing cereals or bushes or trees:
> may u all experimenting
> >with nat.ag may accept this so that u persist in
> this direction
> even if it
> >implies some modifications/adaptations & not
> following fukuoka-
> san in all
> >its beautiful gestures...
> Hello Emilia,
> Like Robert, I've been trying to figure out why my
> seedball experiment
> has so far produced no plants. I can easily believe
> that using seedballs
> may be inappropriate in trying to grow most
> vegetables. What bothers
> me, however, is that so far I've had nothing sprout
> from seedballs.
> In my experiment there were flower and herb seeds as
> well as vegetables.
> I tried to get as broad a range of plants as
> possible just to see
> what would grow and what would not. This included
> wildflowers and
> some plants that are considered weeds by some people
> and edibles
> by others. The experiment is still going on. Our
> fall/winter rains
> are just beginning and I am waiting to see if there
> is any delayed
> sprouting. One of the possibilities is that I sowed
> the seedballs
> too late and they didn't get enough rain to
> My original goals with this experiment were not to
> get a vegetable
> garden going. I think I was hoping to get something
> closer to the
> foraging garden that has been mentioned before, but
> the main goal
> was to just watch what happened and learn from the
> To me your phrase "... some
> modifications/adaptations & not following
> fukuoka-san in all its beautiful gestures..."
> touches on something
> very significant.
> I think we can look at what Fukuoka is saying/doing
> from two different
> perspectives. The first is to look at his teachings
> as a method for
> practicing sustainable agriculture/ecosystem
> modification. From this
> perspective we are looking at his work for ways to
> grow things better
> (cheaper, easier, more diverse, nutritous,
> sustainable, etc.) and
> so threads about foraging, permaculture,
> biodynamics, etc. can be
> relevant and helpful.
> From this perspective there have been a lot of
> legitimate questions
> raised lately. For example, why did Fukuoka's family
> convert to more
> conventional agriculture? Has anyone had any
> significant success
> growing vegetables using seedballs? For that matter
> have there been
> any successful seedball projects outside of
> Fukuoka's farm and if
> so, what did they grow? What does it take to start a
> garden (personally I think it requires at least
> initial tilling)?
> And other questions concered with his method of
> growing food and
> how it can be used/modified/adapted to fit other
> But I think there is a second way to look at what
> Fukuoka is saying/doing,
> a second and unique perspective. Fukuoka, like all
> other sustainable
> agriculturalists, is concerned with growing food in
> a sustainable,
> "natural" way. But that is not his main concern. I
> think the clearest
> expression of what Fukuoka is all about came when he
> "The ultimate goal of farming is not the growing of
> but the cultivation and perfection of human beings."
> Perhaps this is one of those "elegant gestures" you
> are talking about?
> It is certainly possible/legitimate/useful to look
> at Fukuoka's work
> from the first perspective. Judging from the
> conversations on this
> list that is how most people do look at it,
> including myself most
> of the time. But then every once in awhile the other
> pops unbidden into my mind and something inside
> feels uplifted.
> PS. In case you can't tell, today is a rain day...
> Larry Haftl
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