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  • Nandan Palaparambil
    Dear Raju sir, It is very unlikely that land which is being cultivated using chemicals have insects, microbes,earth worms etc. So challenge is to convert land
    Message 1 of 24 , Jan 10, 2011
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      Dear Raju sir,

      It is very unlikely that land which is being cultivated using chemicals have insects, microbes,earth worms etc. So challenge is to convert land from chemical based agriculture to natural farming without much loss for the farmers. To achieve this while converting itself, we may have to give some additional inputs like cow dung, compost etc..so that land recover quickly and once it is recovered we need not give any additional inputs. I remember there is a mention of the same in 'One straw revolution'  that initially we may have to do weeding, apply compost etc..but slowly this can be reduced.

      Probably in your book you can give your own experiences of converting land to natural farming..as many examples as possible and with a stress to the failures..


      Regards,
      Nandan

      --- On Sat, 1/8/11, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...> wrote:

      From: Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...>
      Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
      To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com
      Date: Saturday, January 8, 2011, 12:13 PM

      Dear Nandan,
      I was also thinking same but now i found that if land is live having
      microbes,worms,insects and small animals like rats, reptiles etc. can be
      converted in to natural with in a season by providing sufficient green cover
      + dry mulch. Because these things convert land into pourus,moist and fertile
      quickly better than  any means. Tilling remove all these things therefore
      land become poor but as soon as you stop tilling and provide shade of ground
      cover all these things come and start work. Water holding capacity,
      fertility and porosity is directly related with the presence of organism in
      the soil.
      Thanks
      Raju

      On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 11:05 PM, Nandan Palaparambil <p_k_nandanan@...
      > wrote:

      >
      >
      > Yes, at least some people will understand the no-tilling on seeing the
      > results.
      >
      > But if the land was cultivated with chemicals earlier and suddenly when you
      > move to no-till natural farming, there may be some surprises. It take at
      > least a few years to make the land respond to no-till natural farming.
      >
      > Regards,
      > Nandan
      >
      >
      > --- On Fri, 1/7/11, Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...<offtown%40gmail.com>>
      > wrote:
      >
      > From: Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@... <offtown%40gmail.com>>
      > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
      > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com <fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com>
      > Date: Friday, January 7, 2011, 6:10 PM
      >
      >
      > Hi !
      >
      > When I tried to interact with local farmers ,all started to laugh at me
      > about the idea of non-tilling.
      > People are hell bent on the notion that land must be tilled and anything we
      > say against it falls on deaf ears.
      > That'swhy I have taken up a practical way of demonstrating no till farming.
      > As on date our farmers are sceptical about the growth of plants without use
      > of chemical ferilisers and pesticides. In the current season I have my
      > field
      > in which plants are not given anything except water. The growth of the rice
      > plant is comparable to others' fields . I am waiting for the harvest which
      > could prove an eye-opener that plants need no chemicals .
      > It is quite hard to make the farmers tide over their centuries' old mental
      > block of tilling.
      > After the harvest is over , I intend to demonstrate no till farming by
      > actually doing this in my field. I hope at least a few ,if not all ,turn up
      > to no till farming.
      >
      > Boovarahan S
      >
      > On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 6:47 PM, Nandan Palaparambil
      > <p_k_nandanan@... <p_k_nandanan%40yahoo.com>>wrote:
      >
      > >
      > >
      > > Experience no-till farmers should show case how this can be done easily
      > for
      > > each region. Once conventional farmers know exactly what has to be done
      > then
      > > only people will move to this. Probably initially additional mulching has
      > to
      > > be done to achieve no-till farming, but the system should be very clear
      > and
      > > cost should be affordable and yield should be satisfying.
      > >
      > > Regards,
      > > Nandan
      > >
      > > --- On Thu, 1/6/11, Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...<offtown%40gmail.com>
      > <offtown%40gmail.com>>
      > > wrote:
      > >
      > > From: Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@... <offtown%40gmail.com><offtown%
      > 40gmail.com>>
      > > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
      > > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com <fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%
      > 40yahoogroups.com>
      > > Date: Thursday, January 6, 2011, 5:55 PM
      > >
      > >
      > > That study results are encouraging for no till farmers.
      > > Hope the farming community throws out heavy machinery and land breaking
      > > machines sooner than later.
      > >
      > > Boovarahan S
      > >
      > > On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 5:15 PM, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...<rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
      > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>>
      > > wrote:
      > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > Study: No-Till Farming Reduces Greenhouse Gas
      > > > NPR
      > > > A new study that suggests no-till farming, in which fields are left
      > alone
      > > > between harvest and planting, releases far smaller amounts of a potent
      > > > greenhouse ...
      > > > <http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=132669531>
      > > >
      > > > --
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      > > > +919179738049.
      > > > http://picasaweb.google.com/rajuktitus<
      > > > http://picasawebalbum.google.com/rajuktitus>
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    • Boovarahan Srinivasan
      Hi All! The problem in converting a chemically growm farm into a natural farm is the absense of microbes and earthworms. Unless the harmful effects of the
      Message 2 of 24 , Jan 10, 2011
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        Hi All!

        The problem in converting a chemically growm farm into a natural farm is the
        absense of microbes and earthworms.
        Unless the harmful effects of the residual chemicals are neutralised
        microbial activity can not be enhanced.
        This can be achieved by adopting some temporary methods.
        First the farm has to be flooded to get rid off the soluble chemicals.
        Secondly mulching with vegetative matter both green and brown must be done.
        Thirdly a conducive micro climate for the microbes and earthworms should be
        created by using natural manure of cow dung / cow's urine. The quantity of
        organic manure can be reduced and the process simplified by using zero
        budget farming methods / Amrit pani etc.

        Once the microbial activity is induced there is no looking back and simple
        mulching of vegetative matter will take care of the rest. No further
        application of manure is necessary.

        Even fukuoka used to apply chicken droppings once in a way.

        Regards.

        Boovarahan S

        On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 10:37 PM, Nandan Palaparambil <
        p_k_nandanan@...> wrote:

        >
        >
        > Dear Raju sir,
        >
        > It is very unlikely that land which is being cultivated using chemicals
        > have insects, microbes,earth worms etc. So challenge is to convert land from
        > chemical based agriculture to natural farming without much loss for the
        > farmers. To achieve this while converting itself, we may have to give some
        > additional inputs like cow dung, compost etc..so that land recover quickly
        > and once it is recovered we need not give any additional inputs. I remember
        > there is a mention of the same in 'One straw revolution' that initially we
        > may have to do weeding, apply compost etc..but slowly this can be reduced.
        >
        > Probably in your book you can give your own experiences of converting land
        > to natural farming..as many examples as possible and with a stress to the
        > failures..
        >
        > Regards,
        > Nandan
        >
        > --- On Sat, 1/8/11, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...<rajuktitus%40gmail.com>>
        > wrote:
        >
        > From: Raju Titus <rajuktitus@... <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>>
        >
        > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
        > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com <fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com>
        > Date: Saturday, January 8, 2011, 12:13 PM
        >
        >
        > Dear Nandan,
        > I was also thinking same but now i found that if land is live having
        > microbes,worms,insects and small animals like rats, reptiles etc. can be
        > converted in to natural with in a season by providing sufficient green
        > cover
        > + dry mulch. Because these things convert land into pourus,moist and
        > fertile
        > quickly better than any means. Tilling remove all these things therefore
        > land become poor but as soon as you stop tilling and provide shade of
        > ground
        > cover all these things come and start work. Water holding capacity,
        > fertility and porosity is directly related with the presence of organism in
        > the soil.
        > Thanks
        > Raju
        >
        > On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 11:05 PM, Nandan Palaparambil <
        > p_k_nandanan@... <p_k_nandanan%40yahoo.com>
        > > wrote:
        >
        > >
        > >
        > > Yes, at least some people will understand the no-tilling on seeing the
        > > results.
        > >
        > > But if the land was cultivated with chemicals earlier and suddenly when
        > you
        > > move to no-till natural farming, there may be some surprises. It take at
        > > least a few years to make the land respond to no-till natural farming.
        > >
        > > Regards,
        > > Nandan
        > >
        > >
        > > --- On Fri, 1/7/11, Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...<offtown%40gmail.com>
        > <offtown%40gmail.com>>
        > > wrote:
        > >
        > > From: Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@... <offtown%40gmail.com><offtown%
        > 40gmail.com>>
        > > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
        > > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com <fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%
        > 40yahoogroups.com>
        > > Date: Friday, January 7, 2011, 6:10 PM
        > >
        > >
        > > Hi !
        > >
        > > When I tried to interact with local farmers ,all started to laugh at me
        > > about the idea of non-tilling.
        > > People are hell bent on the notion that land must be tilled and anything
        > we
        > > say against it falls on deaf ears.
        > > That'swhy I have taken up a practical way of demonstrating no till
        > farming.
        > > As on date our farmers are sceptical about the growth of plants without
        > use
        > > of chemical ferilisers and pesticides. In the current season I have my
        > > field
        > > in which plants are not given anything except water. The growth of the
        > rice
        > > plant is comparable to others' fields . I am waiting for the harvest
        > which
        > > could prove an eye-opener that plants need no chemicals .
        > > It is quite hard to make the farmers tide over their centuries' old
        > mental
        > > block of tilling.
        > > After the harvest is over , I intend to demonstrate no till farming by
        > > actually doing this in my field. I hope at least a few ,if not all ,turn
        > up
        > > to no till farming.
        > >
        > > Boovarahan S
        > >
        > > On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 6:47 PM, Nandan Palaparambil
        > > <p_k_nandanan@... <p_k_nandanan%40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
        > 40yahoo.com>>wrote:
        > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > > Experience no-till farmers should show case how this can be done easily
        > > for
        > > > each region. Once conventional farmers know exactly what has to be done
        > > then
        > > > only people will move to this. Probably initially additional mulching
        > has
        > > to
        > > > be done to achieve no-till farming, but the system should be very clear
        > > and
        > > > cost should be affordable and yield should be satisfying.
        > > >
        > > > Regards,
        > > > Nandan
        > > >
        > > > --- On Thu, 1/6/11, Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...<offtown%40gmail.com>
        > <offtown%40gmail.com>
        > > <offtown%40gmail.com>>
        > > > wrote:
        > > >
        > > > From: Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@... <offtown%40gmail.com><offtown%
        > 40gmail.com><offtown%
        > > 40gmail.com>>
        > > > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
        > > > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com<fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%
        > 40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%
        > > 40yahoogroups.com>
        > > > Date: Thursday, January 6, 2011, 5:55 PM
        > > >
        > > >
        > > > That study results are encouraging for no till farmers.
        > > > Hope the farming community throws out heavy machinery and land breaking
        > > > machines sooner than later.
        > > >
        > > > Boovarahan S
        > > >
        > > > On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 5:15 PM, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...<rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
        > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
        > > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>>
        > > > wrote:
        > > >
        > > > >
        > > > >
        > > > > Study: No-Till Farming Reduces Greenhouse Gas
        > > > > NPR
        > > > > A new study that suggests no-till farming, in which fields are left
        > > alone
        > > > > between harvest and planting, releases far smaller amounts of a
        > potent
        > > > > greenhouse ...
        > > > > <http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=132669531>
        > > > >
        > > > > --
        > > > > Raju Titus. Hoshangabad. 461001.India.
        > > > > +919179738049.
        > > > > http://picasaweb.google.com/rajuktitus<
        > > > > http://picasawebalbum.google.com/rajuktitus>
        > > > > fukuoka_farming yahoogroup
        > > > >
        > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
        > > > >
        > > > >
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        > > >
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        > Raju Titus. Hoshangabad. 461001.India.
        > +919179738049.
        > http://picasaweb.google.com/rajuktitus<
        > http://picasawebalbum.google.com/rajuktitus>
        > fukuoka_farming yahoogroup
        >
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      • Raju Titus
        Dear friend, Land means group of microbes, eggs of earth worms and many insects. If this biodiversity gets proper environment by stopping tilling, providing
        Message 3 of 24 , Jan 10, 2011
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          Dear friend,
          Land means group of microbes, eggs of earth worms and many insects. If this
          biodiversity gets proper environment by stopping tilling, providing cover of
          green and straw there is no need of man made fertilizer. This biodiversity
          multiply very fast and convert poor soil in to good soil.
          Thanks
          Raju


          On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 10:37 PM, Nandan Palaparambil <
          p_k_nandanan@...> wrote:

          >
          >
          > Dear Raju sir,
          >
          > It is very unlikely that land which is being cultivated using chemicals
          > have insects, microbes,earth worms etc. So challenge is to convert land from
          > chemical based agriculture to natural farming without much loss for the
          > farmers. To achieve this while converting itself, we may have to give some
          > additional inputs like cow dung, compost etc..so that land recover quickly
          > and once it is recovered we need not give any additional inputs. I remember
          > there is a mention of the same in 'One straw revolution' that initially we
          > may have to do weeding, apply compost etc..but slowly this can be reduced.
          >
          > Probably in your book you can give your own experiences of converting land
          > to natural farming..as many examples as possible and with a stress to the
          > failures..
          >
          > Regards,
          > Nandan
          >
          > --- On Sat, 1/8/11, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...<rajuktitus%40gmail.com>>
          > wrote:
          >
          > From: Raju Titus <rajuktitus@... <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>>
          >
          > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
          > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com <fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com>
          > Date: Saturday, January 8, 2011, 12:13 PM
          >
          >
          > Dear Nandan,
          > I was also thinking same but now i found that if land is live having
          > microbes,worms,insects and small animals like rats, reptiles etc. can be
          > converted in to natural with in a season by providing sufficient green
          > cover
          > + dry mulch. Because these things convert land into pourus,moist and
          > fertile
          > quickly better than any means. Tilling remove all these things therefore
          > land become poor but as soon as you stop tilling and provide shade of
          > ground
          > cover all these things come and start work. Water holding capacity,
          > fertility and porosity is directly related with the presence of organism in
          > the soil.
          > Thanks
          > Raju
          >
          > On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 11:05 PM, Nandan Palaparambil <
          > p_k_nandanan@... <p_k_nandanan%40yahoo.com>
          > > wrote:
          >
          > >
          > >
          > > Yes, at least some people will understand the no-tilling on seeing the
          > > results.
          > >
          > > But if the land was cultivated with chemicals earlier and suddenly when
          > you
          > > move to no-till natural farming, there may be some surprises. It take at
          > > least a few years to make the land respond to no-till natural farming.
          > >
          > > Regards,
          > > Nandan
          > >
          > >
          > > --- On Fri, 1/7/11, Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...<offtown%40gmail.com>
          > <offtown%40gmail.com>>
          >
          > > wrote:
          > >
          > > From: Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@... <offtown%40gmail.com><offtown%
          > 40gmail.com>>
          > > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
          > > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com <fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%
          > 40yahoogroups.com>
          > > Date: Friday, January 7, 2011, 6:10 PM
          > >
          > >
          > > Hi !
          > >
          > > When I tried to interact with local farmers ,all started to laugh at me
          > > about the idea of non-tilling.
          > > People are hell bent on the notion that land must be tilled and anything
          > we
          > > say against it falls on deaf ears.
          > > That'swhy I have taken up a practical way of demonstrating no till
          > farming.
          > > As on date our farmers are sceptical about the growth of plants without
          > use
          > > of chemical ferilisers and pesticides. In the current season I have my
          > > field
          > > in which plants are not given anything except water. The growth of the
          > rice
          > > plant is comparable to others' fields . I am waiting for the harvest
          > which
          > > could prove an eye-opener that plants need no chemicals .
          > > It is quite hard to make the farmers tide over their centuries' old
          > mental
          > > block of tilling.
          > > After the harvest is over , I intend to demonstrate no till farming by
          > > actually doing this in my field. I hope at least a few ,if not all ,turn
          > up
          > > to no till farming.
          > >
          > > Boovarahan S
          > >
          > > On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 6:47 PM, Nandan Palaparambil
          > > <p_k_nandanan@... <p_k_nandanan%40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
          > 40yahoo.com>>wrote:
          >
          > >
          > > >
          > > >
          > > > Experience no-till farmers should show case how this can be done easily
          > > for
          > > > each region. Once conventional farmers know exactly what has to be done
          > > then
          > > > only people will move to this. Probably initially additional mulching
          > has
          > > to
          > > > be done to achieve no-till farming, but the system should be very clear
          > > and
          > > > cost should be affordable and yield should be satisfying.
          > > >
          > > > Regards,
          > > > Nandan
          > > >
          > > > --- On Thu, 1/6/11, Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...<offtown%40gmail.com>
          > <offtown%40gmail.com>
          > > <offtown%40gmail.com>>
          > > > wrote:
          > > >
          > > > From: Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@... <offtown%40gmail.com><offtown%
          > 40gmail.com><offtown%
          >
          > > 40gmail.com>>
          > > > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
          > > > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com<fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%
          > 40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%
          >
          > > 40yahoogroups.com>
          > > > Date: Thursday, January 6, 2011, 5:55 PM
          > > >
          > > >
          > > > That study results are encouraging for no till farmers.
          > > > Hope the farming community throws out heavy machinery and land breaking
          > > > machines sooner than later.
          > > >
          > > > Boovarahan S
          > > >
          > > > On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 5:15 PM, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...<rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
          > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
          > > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>>
          > > > wrote:
          > > >
          > > > >
          > > > >
          > > > > Study: No-Till Farming Reduces Greenhouse Gas
          > > > > NPR
          > > > > A new study that suggests no-till farming, in which fields are left
          > > alone
          > > > > between harvest and planting, releases far smaller amounts of a
          > potent
          > > > > greenhouse ...
          > > > > <http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=132669531>
          > > > >
          > > > > --
          > > > > Raju Titus. Hoshangabad. 461001.India.
          > > > > +919179738049.
          > > > > http://picasaweb.google.com/rajuktitus<
          > > > > http://picasawebalbum.google.com/rajuktitus>
          > > > > fukuoka_farming yahoogroup
          > > > >
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          > > > >
          > > > >
          > > > >
          > > >
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          > +919179738049.
          > http://picasaweb.google.com/rajuktitus<
          > http://picasawebalbum.google.com/rajuktitus>
          > fukuoka_farming yahoogroup
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          +919179738049.
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        • Sumant Joshi
          Thats true but what Nandan and others are trying to say is, if the soil is very poor it will need some help in the beginning, to recover quickly.  Sent from
          Message 4 of 24 , Jan 11, 2011
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            Thats true but what Nandan and others are trying to say is, if the soil is very poor it will need some help in the beginning, to recover quickly. 

            Sent from my BSNL landline B-fone

            Warm regards,

            Sumant Joshi
            Tel - 09370010424, 0253-2361161

            --- On Tue, 11/1/11, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...> wrote:

            From: Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...>
            Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
            To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com
            Date: Tuesday, 11 January, 2011, 12:22 PM

            Dear friend,
            Land means group of microbes, eggs of earth worms and many insects. If this
            biodiversity gets proper environment by stopping tilling, providing cover of
            green and straw there is no need of man made fertilizer. This biodiversity
            multiply very fast and convert poor soil in to good soil.
            Thanks
            Raju


            On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 10:37 PM, Nandan Palaparambil <
            p_k_nandanan@...> wrote:

            >
            >
            > Dear Raju sir,
            >
            > It is very unlikely that land which is being cultivated using chemicals
            > have insects, microbes,earth worms etc. So challenge is to convert land from
            > chemical based agriculture to natural farming without much loss for the
            > farmers. To achieve this while converting itself, we may have to give some
            > additional inputs like cow dung, compost etc..so that land recover quickly
            > and once it is recovered we need not give any additional inputs. I remember
            > there is a mention of the same in 'One straw revolution'  that initially we
            > may have to do weeding, apply compost etc..but slowly this can be reduced.
            >
            > Probably in your book you can give your own experiences of converting land
            > to natural farming..as many examples as possible and with a stress to the
            > failures..
            >
            > Regards,
            > Nandan
            >
            > --- On Sat, 1/8/11, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...<rajuktitus%40gmail.com>>
            > wrote:
            >
            > From: Raju Titus <rajuktitus@... <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>>
            >
            > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
            > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com <fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com>
            > Date: Saturday, January 8, 2011, 12:13 PM
            >
            >
            > Dear Nandan,
            > I was also thinking same but now i found that if land is live having
            > microbes,worms,insects and small animals like rats, reptiles etc. can be
            > converted in to natural with in a season by providing sufficient green
            > cover
            > + dry mulch. Because these things convert land into pourus,moist and
            > fertile
            > quickly better than  any means. Tilling remove all these things therefore
            > land become poor but as soon as you stop tilling and provide shade of
            > ground
            > cover all these things come and start work. Water holding capacity,
            > fertility and porosity is directly related with the presence of organism in
            > the soil.
            > Thanks
            > Raju
            >
            > On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 11:05 PM, Nandan Palaparambil <
            > p_k_nandanan@... <p_k_nandanan%40yahoo.com>
            > > wrote:
            >
            > >
            > >
            > > Yes, at least some people will understand the no-tilling on seeing the
            > > results.
            > >
            > > But if the land was cultivated with chemicals earlier and suddenly when
            > you
            > > move to no-till natural farming, there may be some surprises. It take at
            > > least a few years to make the land respond to no-till natural farming.
            > >
            > > Regards,
            > > Nandan
            > >
            > >
            > > --- On Fri, 1/7/11, Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...<offtown%40gmail.com>
            > <offtown%40gmail.com>>
            >
            > > wrote:
            > >
            > > From: Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@... <offtown%40gmail.com><offtown%
            > 40gmail.com>>
            > > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
            > > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com <fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%
            > 40yahoogroups.com>
            > > Date: Friday, January 7, 2011, 6:10 PM
            > >
            > >
            > > Hi !
            > >
            > > When I tried to interact with local farmers ,all started to laugh at me
            > > about the idea of non-tilling.
            > > People are hell bent on the notion that land must be tilled and anything
            > we
            > > say against it falls on deaf ears.
            > > That'swhy I have taken up a practical way of demonstrating no till
            > farming.
            > > As on date our farmers are sceptical about the growth of plants without
            > use
            > > of chemical ferilisers and pesticides. In the current season I have my
            > > field
            > > in which plants are not given anything except water. The growth of the
            > rice
            > > plant is comparable to others' fields . I am waiting for the harvest
            > which
            > > could prove an eye-opener that plants need no chemicals .
            > > It is quite hard to make the farmers tide over their centuries' old
            > mental
            > > block of tilling.
            > > After the harvest is over , I intend to demonstrate no till farming by
            > > actually doing this in my field. I hope at least a few ,if not all ,turn
            > up
            > > to no till farming.
            > >
            > > Boovarahan S
            > >
            > > On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 6:47 PM, Nandan Palaparambil
            > > <p_k_nandanan@... <p_k_nandanan%40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
            > 40yahoo.com>>wrote:
            >
            > >
            > > >
            > > >
            > > > Experience no-till farmers should show case how this can be done easily
            > > for
            > > > each region. Once conventional farmers know exactly what has to be done
            > > then
            > > > only people will move to this. Probably initially additional mulching
            > has
            > > to
            > > > be done to achieve no-till farming, but the system should be very clear
            > > and
            > > > cost should be affordable and yield should be satisfying.
            > > >
            > > > Regards,
            > > > Nandan
            > > >
            > > > --- On Thu, 1/6/11, Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...<offtown%40gmail.com>
            > <offtown%40gmail.com>
            > > <offtown%40gmail.com>>
            > > > wrote:
            > > >
            > > > From: Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@... <offtown%40gmail.com><offtown%
            > 40gmail.com><offtown%
            >
            > > 40gmail.com>>
            > > > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
            > > > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com<fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%
            > 40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%
            >
            > > 40yahoogroups.com>
            > > > Date: Thursday, January 6, 2011, 5:55 PM
            > > >
            > > >
            > > > That study results are encouraging for no till farmers.
            > > > Hope the farming community throws out heavy machinery and land breaking
            > > > machines sooner than later.
            > > >
            > > > Boovarahan S
            > > >
            > > > On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 5:15 PM, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...<rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
            > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
            > > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>>
            > > > wrote:
            > > >
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > > Study: No-Till Farming Reduces Greenhouse Gas
            > > > > NPR
            > > > > A new study that suggests no-till farming, in which fields are left
            > > alone
            > > > > between harvest and planting, releases far smaller amounts of a
            > potent
            > > > > greenhouse ...
            > > > > <http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=132669531>
            > > > >
            > > > > --
            > > > > Raju Titus. Hoshangabad. 461001.India.
            > > > > +919179738049.
            > > > > http://picasaweb.google.com/rajuktitus<
            > > > > http://picasawebalbum.google.com/rajuktitus>
            > > > > fukuoka_farming yahoogroup
            > > > >
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            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > >
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            > --
            > Raju Titus. Hoshangabad. 461001.India.
            > +919179738049.
            > http://picasaweb.google.com/rajuktitus<
            > http://picasawebalbum.google.com/rajuktitus>
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            >



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            +919179738049.
            http://picasaweb.google.com/rajuktitus<http://picasawebalbum.google.com/rajuktitus>
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          • Raju Titus
            Dear friend, For poor soil and fast recovery this is the best economical way. Parthenium,Hemp,subabul or other locally available ground cover crop can solve
            Message 5 of 24 , Jan 11, 2011
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              Dear friend,
              For poor soil and fast recovery this is the best economical way.
              Parthenium,Hemp,subabul or other locally available ground cover crop can
              solve problem. Bringing compost from out side or making compost is not easy
              task and this will not so useful as cover crop.
              Thanks
              Raju

              On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 6:27 PM, Sumant Joshi <sumant_jo@...> wrote:

              >
              >
              > Thats true but what Nandan and others are trying to say is, if the soil is
              > very poor it will need some help in the beginning, to recover quickly.
              >
              > Sent from my BSNL landline B-fone
              >
              > Warm regards,
              >
              > Sumant Joshi
              > Tel - 09370010424, 0253-2361161
              >
              >
              > --- On Tue, 11/1/11, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...<rajuktitus%40gmail.com>>
              > wrote:
              >
              > From: Raju Titus <rajuktitus@... <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>>
              > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
              > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com <fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com>
              > Date: Tuesday, 11 January, 2011, 12:22 PM
              >
              >
              > Dear friend,
              > Land means group of microbes, eggs of earth worms and many insects. If this
              > biodiversity gets proper environment by stopping tilling, providing cover
              > of
              > green and straw there is no need of man made fertilizer. This biodiversity
              > multiply very fast and convert poor soil in to good soil.
              > Thanks
              > Raju
              >
              > On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 10:37 PM, Nandan Palaparambil <
              > p_k_nandanan@... <p_k_nandanan%40yahoo.com>> wrote:
              >
              > >
              > >
              > > Dear Raju sir,
              > >
              > > It is very unlikely that land which is being cultivated using chemicals
              > > have insects, microbes,earth worms etc. So challenge is to convert land
              > from
              > > chemical based agriculture to natural farming without much loss for the
              > > farmers. To achieve this while converting itself, we may have to give
              > some
              > > additional inputs like cow dung, compost etc..so that land recover
              > quickly
              > > and once it is recovered we need not give any additional inputs. I
              > remember
              > > there is a mention of the same in 'One straw revolution' that initially
              > we
              > > may have to do weeding, apply compost etc..but slowly this can be
              > reduced.
              > >
              > > Probably in your book you can give your own experiences of converting
              > land
              > > to natural farming..as many examples as possible and with a stress to the
              > > failures..
              > >
              > > Regards,
              > > Nandan
              > >
              > > --- On Sat, 1/8/11, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...<rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
              > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>>
              > > wrote:
              > >
              > > From: Raju Titus <rajuktitus@... <rajuktitus%40gmail.com><rajuktitus%
              > 40gmail.com>>
              >
              > >
              > > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
              > > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com <fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%
              > 40yahoogroups.com>
              > > Date: Saturday, January 8, 2011, 12:13 PM
              > >
              > >
              > > Dear Nandan,
              > > I was also thinking same but now i found that if land is live having
              > > microbes,worms,insects and small animals like rats, reptiles etc. can be
              > > converted in to natural with in a season by providing sufficient green
              > > cover
              > > + dry mulch. Because these things convert land into pourus,moist and
              > > fertile
              > > quickly better than any means. Tilling remove all these things therefore
              > > land become poor but as soon as you stop tilling and provide shade of
              > > ground
              > > cover all these things come and start work. Water holding capacity,
              > > fertility and porosity is directly related with the presence of organism
              > in
              > > the soil.
              > > Thanks
              > > Raju
              > >
              > > On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 11:05 PM, Nandan Palaparambil <
              > > p_k_nandanan@... <p_k_nandanan%40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
              > 40yahoo.com>
              > > > wrote:
              > >
              > > >
              > > >
              > > > Yes, at least some people will understand the no-tilling on seeing the
              > > > results.
              > > >
              > > > But if the land was cultivated with chemicals earlier and suddenly when
              > > you
              > > > move to no-till natural farming, there may be some surprises. It take
              > at
              > > > least a few years to make the land respond to no-till natural farming.
              > > >
              > > > Regards,
              > > > Nandan
              > > >
              > > >
              > > > --- On Fri, 1/7/11, Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...<offtown%40gmail.com>
              > <offtown%40gmail.com>
              > > <offtown%40gmail.com>>
              > >
              > > > wrote:
              > > >
              > > > From: Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@... <offtown%40gmail.com><offtown%
              > 40gmail.com><offtown%
              > > 40gmail.com>>
              > > > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
              > > > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com<fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%
              > 40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%
              > > 40yahoogroups.com>
              > > > Date: Friday, January 7, 2011, 6:10 PM
              > > >
              > > >
              > > > Hi !
              > > >
              > > > When I tried to interact with local farmers ,all started to laugh at me
              > > > about the idea of non-tilling.
              > > > People are hell bent on the notion that land must be tilled and
              > anything
              > > we
              > > > say against it falls on deaf ears.
              > > > That'swhy I have taken up a practical way of demonstrating no till
              > > farming.
              > > > As on date our farmers are sceptical about the growth of plants without
              > > use
              > > > of chemical ferilisers and pesticides. In the current season I have my
              > > > field
              > > > in which plants are not given anything except water. The growth of the
              > > rice
              > > > plant is comparable to others' fields . I am waiting for the harvest
              > > which
              > > > could prove an eye-opener that plants need no chemicals .
              > > > It is quite hard to make the farmers tide over their centuries' old
              > > mental
              > > > block of tilling.
              > > > After the harvest is over , I intend to demonstrate no till farming by
              > > > actually doing this in my field. I hope at least a few ,if not all
              > ,turn
              > > up
              > > > to no till farming.
              > > >
              > > > Boovarahan S
              > > >
              > > > On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 6:47 PM, Nandan Palaparambil
              > > > <p_k_nandanan@... <p_k_nandanan%40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
              > 40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
              >
              > > 40yahoo.com>>wrote:
              > >
              > > >
              > > > >
              > > > >
              > > > > Experience no-till farmers should show case how this can be done
              > easily
              > > > for
              > > > > each region. Once conventional farmers know exactly what has to be
              > done
              > > > then
              > > > > only people will move to this. Probably initially additional mulching
              > > has
              > > > to
              > > > > be done to achieve no-till farming, but the system should be very
              > clear
              > > > and
              > > > > cost should be affordable and yield should be satisfying.
              > > > >
              > > > > Regards,
              > > > > Nandan
              > > > >
              > > > > --- On Thu, 1/6/11, Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...<offtown%40gmail.com>
              > <offtown%40gmail.com>
              > > <offtown%40gmail.com>
              > > > <offtown%40gmail.com>>
              > > > > wrote:
              > > > >
              > > > > From: Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@... <offtown%40gmail.com><offtown%
              > 40gmail.com><offtown%
              > > 40gmail.com><offtown%
              > >
              > > > 40gmail.com>>
              > > > > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
              > > > > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com<fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com>
              > <fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%
              > > 40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%
              > >
              > > > 40yahoogroups.com>
              > > > > Date: Thursday, January 6, 2011, 5:55 PM
              > > > >
              > > > >
              > > > > That study results are encouraging for no till farmers.
              > > > > Hope the farming community throws out heavy machinery and land
              > breaking
              > > > > machines sooner than later.
              > > > >
              > > > > Boovarahan S
              > > > >
              > > > > On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 5:15 PM, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...<rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
              > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
              > > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
              > > > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>>
              > > > > wrote:
              > > > >
              > > > > >
              > > > > >
              > > > > > Study: No-Till Farming Reduces Greenhouse Gas
              > > > > > NPR
              > > > > > A new study that suggests no-till farming, in which fields are left
              > > > alone
              > > > > > between harvest and planting, releases far smaller amounts of a
              > > potent
              > > > > > greenhouse ...
              > > > > > <http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=132669531>
              > > > > >
              > > > > > --
              > > > > > Raju Titus. Hoshangabad. 461001.India.
              > > > > > +919179738049.
              > > > > > http://picasaweb.google.com/rajuktitus<
              > > > > > http://picasawebalbum.google.com/rajuktitus>
              > > > > > fukuoka_farming yahoogroup
              > > > > >
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              > > > > >
              > > > > >
              > > > > >
              > > > >
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              > > > >
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              > > Raju Titus. Hoshangabad. 461001.India.
              > > +919179738049.
              > > http://picasaweb.google.com/rajuktitus<
              > > http://picasawebalbum.google.com/rajuktitus>
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              > >
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              > Raju Titus. Hoshangabad. 461001.India.
              > +919179738049.
              > http://picasaweb.google.com/rajuktitus<
              > http://picasawebalbum.google.com/rajuktitus>
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              +919179738049.
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            • Boovarahan Srinivasan
              Mulch cover is a must in natural farming but the point is how quick mulching alone could make the farm lively from the destructive effects of previous chemical
              Message 6 of 24 , Jan 11, 2011
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                Mulch cover is a must in natural farming but the point is how quick mulching
                alone could make the farm lively from the destructive effects of previous
                chemical farming. Or a short term use of a catalyst like cow dung / urine /
                animal wastes should be used for a limited period to hasten the process ?

                Boovarahan S

                On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 7:43 PM, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...> wrote:

                > Dear friend,
                > For poor soil and fast recovery this is the best economical way.
                > Parthenium,Hemp,subabul or other locally available ground cover crop can
                > solve problem. Bringing compost from out side or making compost is not easy
                > task and this will not so useful as cover crop.
                > Thanks
                > Raju
                >
                > On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 6:27 PM, Sumant Joshi <sumant_jo@...> wrote:
                >
                > >
                > >
                > > Thats true but what Nandan and others are trying to say is, if the soil
                > is
                > > very poor it will need some help in the beginning, to recover quickly.
                > >
                > > Sent from my BSNL landline B-fone
                > >
                > > Warm regards,
                > >
                > > Sumant Joshi
                > > Tel - 09370010424, 0253-2361161
                > >
                > >
                > > --- On Tue, 11/1/11, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...<rajuktitus%
                > 40gmail.com>>
                > > wrote:
                > >
                > > From: Raju Titus <rajuktitus@... <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>>
                > > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                > > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com <fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com>
                > > Date: Tuesday, 11 January, 2011, 12:22 PM
                > >
                > >
                > > Dear friend,
                > > Land means group of microbes, eggs of earth worms and many insects. If
                > this
                > > biodiversity gets proper environment by stopping tilling, providing cover
                > > of
                > > green and straw there is no need of man made fertilizer. This
                > biodiversity
                > > multiply very fast and convert poor soil in to good soil.
                > > Thanks
                > > Raju
                > >
                > > On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 10:37 PM, Nandan Palaparambil <
                > > p_k_nandanan@... <p_k_nandanan%40yahoo.com>> wrote:
                > >
                > > >
                > > >
                > > > Dear Raju sir,
                > > >
                > > > It is very unlikely that land which is being cultivated using chemicals
                > > > have insects, microbes,earth worms etc. So challenge is to convert land
                > > from
                > > > chemical based agriculture to natural farming without much loss for the
                > > > farmers. To achieve this while converting itself, we may have to give
                > > some
                > > > additional inputs like cow dung, compost etc..so that land recover
                > > quickly
                > > > and once it is recovered we need not give any additional inputs. I
                > > remember
                > > > there is a mention of the same in 'One straw revolution' that
                > initially
                > > we
                > > > may have to do weeding, apply compost etc..but slowly this can be
                > > reduced.
                > > >
                > > > Probably in your book you can give your own experiences of converting
                > > land
                > > > to natural farming..as many examples as possible and with a stress to
                > the
                > > > failures..
                > > >
                > > > Regards,
                > > > Nandan
                > > >
                > > > --- On Sat, 1/8/11, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...<rajuktitus%
                > 40gmail.com>
                > > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>>
                > > > wrote:
                > > >
                > > > From: Raju Titus <rajuktitus@... <rajuktitus%40gmail.com
                > ><rajuktitus%
                > > 40gmail.com>>
                > >
                > > >
                > > > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                > > > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com <fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com
                > ><fukuoka_farming%
                > > 40yahoogroups.com>
                > > > Date: Saturday, January 8, 2011, 12:13 PM
                > > >
                > > >
                > > > Dear Nandan,
                > > > I was also thinking same but now i found that if land is live having
                > > > microbes,worms,insects and small animals like rats, reptiles etc. can
                > be
                > > > converted in to natural with in a season by providing sufficient green
                > > > cover
                > > > + dry mulch. Because these things convert land into pourus,moist and
                > > > fertile
                > > > quickly better than any means. Tilling remove all these things
                > therefore
                > > > land become poor but as soon as you stop tilling and provide shade of
                > > > ground
                > > > cover all these things come and start work. Water holding capacity,
                > > > fertility and porosity is directly related with the presence of
                > organism
                > > in
                > > > the soil.
                > > > Thanks
                > > > Raju
                > > >
                > > > On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 11:05 PM, Nandan Palaparambil <
                > > > p_k_nandanan@... <p_k_nandanan%40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                > > 40yahoo.com>
                > > > > wrote:
                > > >
                > > > >
                > > > >
                > > > > Yes, at least some people will understand the no-tilling on seeing
                > the
                > > > > results.
                > > > >
                > > > > But if the land was cultivated with chemicals earlier and suddenly
                > when
                > > > you
                > > > > move to no-till natural farming, there may be some surprises. It take
                > > at
                > > > > least a few years to make the land respond to no-till natural
                > farming.
                > > > >
                > > > > Regards,
                > > > > Nandan
                > > > >
                > > > >
                > > > > --- On Fri, 1/7/11, Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...
                > <offtown%40gmail.com>
                > > <offtown%40gmail.com>
                > > > <offtown%40gmail.com>>
                > > >
                > > > > wrote:
                > > > >
                > > > > From: Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@... <offtown%40gmail.com
                > ><offtown%
                > > 40gmail.com><offtown%
                > > > 40gmail.com>>
                > > > > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                > > > > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com<fukuoka_farming%
                > 40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%
                > > 40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%
                > > > 40yahoogroups.com>
                > > > > Date: Friday, January 7, 2011, 6:10 PM
                > > > >
                > > > >
                > > > > Hi !
                > > > >
                > > > > When I tried to interact with local farmers ,all started to laugh at
                > me
                > > > > about the idea of non-tilling.
                > > > > People are hell bent on the notion that land must be tilled and
                > > anything
                > > > we
                > > > > say against it falls on deaf ears.
                > > > > That'swhy I have taken up a practical way of demonstrating no till
                > > > farming.
                > > > > As on date our farmers are sceptical about the growth of plants
                > without
                > > > use
                > > > > of chemical ferilisers and pesticides. In the current season I have
                > my
                > > > > field
                > > > > in which plants are not given anything except water. The growth of
                > the
                > > > rice
                > > > > plant is comparable to others' fields . I am waiting for the harvest
                > > > which
                > > > > could prove an eye-opener that plants need no chemicals .
                > > > > It is quite hard to make the farmers tide over their centuries' old
                > > > mental
                > > > > block of tilling.
                > > > > After the harvest is over , I intend to demonstrate no till farming
                > by
                > > > > actually doing this in my field. I hope at least a few ,if not all
                > > ,turn
                > > > up
                > > > > to no till farming.
                > > > >
                > > > > Boovarahan S
                > > > >
                > > > > On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 6:47 PM, Nandan Palaparambil
                > > > > <p_k_nandanan@... <p_k_nandanan%40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                > > 40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                > >
                > > > 40yahoo.com>>wrote:
                > > >
                > > > >
                > > > > >
                > > > > >
                > > > > > Experience no-till farmers should show case how this can be done
                > > easily
                > > > > for
                > > > > > each region. Once conventional farmers know exactly what has to be
                > > done
                > > > > then
                > > > > > only people will move to this. Probably initially additional
                > mulching
                > > > has
                > > > > to
                > > > > > be done to achieve no-till farming, but the system should be very
                > > clear
                > > > > and
                > > > > > cost should be affordable and yield should be satisfying.
                > > > > >
                > > > > > Regards,
                > > > > > Nandan
                > > > > >
                > > > > > --- On Thu, 1/6/11, Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...
                > <offtown%40gmail.com>
                > > <offtown%40gmail.com>
                > > > <offtown%40gmail.com>
                > > > > <offtown%40gmail.com>>
                > > > > > wrote:
                > > > > >
                > > > > > From: Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@... <offtown%
                > 40gmail.com><offtown%
                > > 40gmail.com><offtown%
                > > > 40gmail.com><offtown%
                > > >
                > > > > 40gmail.com>>
                > > > > > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                > > > > > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com<fukuoka_farming%
                > 40yahoogroups.com>
                > > <fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%
                > > > 40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%
                > > >
                > > > > 40yahoogroups.com>
                > > > > > Date: Thursday, January 6, 2011, 5:55 PM
                > > > > >
                > > > > >
                > > > > > That study results are encouraging for no till farmers.
                > > > > > Hope the farming community throws out heavy machinery and land
                > > breaking
                > > > > > machines sooner than later.
                > > > > >
                > > > > > Boovarahan S
                > > > > >
                > > > > > On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 5:15 PM, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...
                > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
                > > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
                > > > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
                > > > > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>>
                > > > > > wrote:
                > > > > >
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > > Study: No-Till Farming Reduces Greenhouse Gas
                > > > > > > NPR
                > > > > > > A new study that suggests no-till farming, in which fields are
                > left
                > > > > alone
                > > > > > > between harvest and planting, releases far smaller amounts of a
                > > > potent
                > > > > > > greenhouse ...
                > > > > > > <http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=132669531>
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > > --
                > > > > > > Raju Titus. Hoshangabad. 461001.India.
                > > > > > > +919179738049.
                > > > > > > http://picasaweb.google.com/rajuktitus<
                > > > > > > http://picasawebalbum.google.com/rajuktitus>
                > > > > > > fukuoka_farming yahoogroup
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > >
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              • Nandan Palaparambil
                True, I remember some statements in One Straw Revolution which recommends some composting,weeding or pruning in the transition from chemical to natural
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                  True, I remember some statements in 'One Straw Revolution' which recommends some composting,weeding or pruning in the transition from chemical to natural farming.

                  Each statement by Fukuoka san in 'One Straw Revolution' is coming from experience and is important.


                  I don't make any compost, but I don't live on farming. People who completely depend on farming for a living, speed with which the conversion happen also is important. Also if we pass on some information and they don't see that happening, they will never come back to natural farming.

                  If we want to bring common farmers to natural farming we should have some good models for each region which they can directly follow.



                  Regards,
                  Nandan

                  --- On Wed, 1/12/11, Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...> wrote:

                  From: Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...>
                  Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                  To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com
                  Date: Wednesday, January 12, 2011, 8:38 AM







                   









                  Mulch cover is a must in natural farming but the point is how quick mulching

                  alone could make the farm lively from the destructive effects of previous

                  chemical farming. Or a short term use of a catalyst like cow dung / urine /

                  animal wastes should be used for a limited period to hasten the process ?



                  Boovarahan S



                  On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 7:43 PM, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...> wrote:



                  > Dear friend,

                  > For poor soil and fast recovery this is the best economical way.

                  > Parthenium,Hemp,subabul or other locally available ground cover crop can

                  > solve problem. Bringing compost from out side or making compost is not easy

                  > task and this will not so useful as cover crop.

                  > Thanks

                  > Raju

                  >

                  > On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 6:27 PM, Sumant Joshi <sumant_jo@...> wrote:

                  >

                  > >

                  > >

                  > > Thats true but what Nandan and others are trying to say is, if the soil

                  > is

                  > > very poor it will need some help in the beginning, to recover quickly.

                  > >

                  > > Sent from my BSNL landline B-fone

                  > >

                  > > Warm regards,

                  > >

                  > > Sumant Joshi

                  > > Tel - 09370010424, 0253-2361161

                  > >

                  > >

                  > > --- On Tue, 11/1/11, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...<rajuktitus%

                  > 40gmail.com>>

                  > > wrote:

                  > >

                  > > From: Raju Titus <rajuktitus@... <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>>

                  > > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming

                  > > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com <fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com>

                  > > Date: Tuesday, 11 January, 2011, 12:22 PM

                  > >

                  > >

                  > > Dear friend,

                  > > Land means group of microbes, eggs of earth worms and many insects. If

                  > this

                  > > biodiversity gets proper environment by stopping tilling, providing cover

                  > > of

                  > > green and straw there is no need of man made fertilizer. This

                  > biodiversity

                  > > multiply very fast and convert poor soil in to good soil.

                  > > Thanks

                  > > Raju

                  > >

                  > > On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 10:37 PM, Nandan Palaparambil <

                  > > p_k_nandanan@... <p_k_nandanan%40yahoo.com>> wrote:

                  > >

                  > > >

                  > > >

                  > > > Dear Raju sir,

                  > > >

                  > > > It is very unlikely that land which is being cultivated using chemicals

                  > > > have insects, microbes,earth worms etc. So challenge is to convert land

                  > > from

                  > > > chemical based agriculture to natural farming without much loss for the

                  > > > farmers. To achieve this while converting itself, we may have to give

                  > > some

                  > > > additional inputs like cow dung, compost etc..so that land recover

                  > > quickly

                  > > > and once it is recovered we need not give any additional inputs. I

                  > > remember

                  > > > there is a mention of the same in 'One straw revolution' that

                  > initially

                  > > we

                  > > > may have to do weeding, apply compost etc..but slowly this can be

                  > > reduced.

                  > > >

                  > > > Probably in your book you can give your own experiences of converting

                  > > land

                  > > > to natural farming..as many examples as possible and with a stress to

                  > the

                  > > > failures..

                  > > >

                  > > > Regards,

                  > > > Nandan

                  > > >

                  > > > --- On Sat, 1/8/11, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...<rajuktitus%

                  > 40gmail.com>

                  > > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>>

                  > > > wrote:

                  > > >

                  > > > From: Raju Titus <rajuktitus@... <rajuktitus%40gmail.com

                  > ><rajuktitus%

                  > > 40gmail.com>>

                  > >

                  > > >

                  > > > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming

                  > > > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com <fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com

                  > ><fukuoka_farming%

                  > > 40yahoogroups.com>

                  > > > Date: Saturday, January 8, 2011, 12:13 PM

                  > > >

                  > > >

                  > > > Dear Nandan,

                  > > > I was also thinking same but now i found that if land is live having

                  > > > microbes,worms,insects and small animals like rats, reptiles etc. can

                  > be

                  > > > converted in to natural with in a season by providing sufficient green

                  > > > cover

                  > > > + dry mulch. Because these things convert land into pourus,moist and

                  > > > fertile

                  > > > quickly better than any means. Tilling remove all these things

                  > therefore

                  > > > land become poor but as soon as you stop tilling and provide shade of

                  > > > ground

                  > > > cover all these things come and start work. Water holding capacity,

                  > > > fertility and porosity is directly related with the presence of

                  > organism

                  > > in

                  > > > the soil.

                  > > > Thanks

                  > > > Raju

                  > > >

                  > > > On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 11:05 PM, Nandan Palaparambil <

                  > > > p_k_nandanan@... <p_k_nandanan%40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%

                  > > 40yahoo.com>

                  > > > > wrote:

                  > > >

                  > > > >

                  > > > >

                  > > > > Yes, at least some people will understand the no-tilling on seeing

                  > the

                  > > > > results.

                  > > > >

                  > > > > But if the land was cultivated with chemicals earlier and suddenly

                  > when

                  > > > you

                  > > > > move to no-till natural farming, there may be some surprises. It take

                  > > at

                  > > > > least a few years to make the land respond to no-till natural

                  > farming.

                  > > > >

                  > > > > Regards,

                  > > > > Nandan

                  > > > >

                  > > > >

                  > > > > --- On Fri, 1/7/11, Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...

                  > <offtown%40gmail.com>

                  > > <offtown%40gmail.com>

                  > > > <offtown%40gmail.com>>

                  > > >

                  > > > > wrote:

                  > > > >

                  > > > > From: Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@... <offtown%40gmail.com

                  > ><offtown%

                  > > 40gmail.com><offtown%

                  > > > 40gmail.com>>

                  > > > > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming

                  > > > > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com<fukuoka_farming%

                  > 40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%

                  > > 40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%

                  > > > 40yahoogroups.com>

                  > > > > Date: Friday, January 7, 2011, 6:10 PM

                  > > > >

                  > > > >

                  > > > > Hi !

                  > > > >

                  > > > > When I tried to interact with local farmers ,all started to laugh at

                  > me

                  > > > > about the idea of non-tilling.

                  > > > > People are hell bent on the notion that land must be tilled and

                  > > anything

                  > > > we

                  > > > > say against it falls on deaf ears.

                  > > > > That'swhy I have taken up a practical way of demonstrating no till

                  > > > farming.

                  > > > > As on date our farmers are sceptical about the growth of plants

                  > without

                  > > > use

                  > > > > of chemical ferilisers and pesticides. In the current season I have

                  > my

                  > > > > field

                  > > > > in which plants are not given anything except water. The growth of

                  > the

                  > > > rice

                  > > > > plant is comparable to others' fields . I am waiting for the harvest

                  > > > which

                  > > > > could prove an eye-opener that plants need no chemicals .

                  > > > > It is quite hard to make the farmers tide over their centuries' old

                  > > > mental

                  > > > > block of tilling.

                  > > > > After the harvest is over , I intend to demonstrate no till farming

                  > by

                  > > > > actually doing this in my field. I hope at least a few ,if not all

                  > > ,turn

                  > > > up

                  > > > > to no till farming.

                  > > > >

                  > > > > Boovarahan S

                  > > > >

                  > > > > On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 6:47 PM, Nandan Palaparambil

                  > > > > <p_k_nandanan@... <p_k_nandanan%40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%

                  > > 40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%

                  > >

                  > > > 40yahoo.com>>wrote:

                  > > >

                  > > > >

                  > > > > >

                  > > > > >

                  > > > > > Experience no-till farmers should show case how this can be done

                  > > easily

                  > > > > for

                  > > > > > each region. Once conventional farmers know exactly what has to be

                  > > done

                  > > > > then

                  > > > > > only people will move to this. Probably initially additional

                  > mulching

                  > > > has

                  > > > > to

                  > > > > > be done to achieve no-till farming, but the system should be very

                  > > clear

                  > > > > and

                  > > > > > cost should be affordable and yield should be satisfying.

                  > > > > >

                  > > > > > Regards,

                  > > > > > Nandan

                  > > > > >

                  > > > > > --- On Thu, 1/6/11, Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...

                  > <offtown%40gmail.com>

                  > > <offtown%40gmail.com>

                  > > > <offtown%40gmail.com>

                  > > > > <offtown%40gmail.com>>

                  > > > > > wrote:

                  > > > > >

                  > > > > > From: Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@... <offtown%

                  > 40gmail.com><offtown%

                  > > 40gmail.com><offtown%

                  > > > 40gmail.com><offtown%

                  > > >

                  > > > > 40gmail.com>>

                  > > > > > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming

                  > > > > > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com<fukuoka_farming%

                  > 40yahoogroups.com>

                  > > <fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%

                  > > > 40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%

                  > > >

                  > > > > 40yahoogroups.com>

                  > > > > > Date: Thursday, January 6, 2011, 5:55 PM

                  > > > > >

                  > > > > >

                  > > > > > That study results are encouraging for no till farmers.

                  > > > > > Hope the farming community throws out heavy machinery and land

                  > > breaking

                  > > > > > machines sooner than later.

                  > > > > >

                  > > > > > Boovarahan S

                  > > > > >

                  > > > > > On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 5:15 PM, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...

                  > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>

                  > > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>

                  > > > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>

                  > > > > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>>

                  > > > > > wrote:

                  > > > > >

                  > > > > > >

                  > > > > > >

                  > > > > > > Study: No-Till Farming Reduces Greenhouse Gas

                  > > > > > > NPR

                  > > > > > > A new study that suggests no-till farming, in which fields are

                  > left

                  > > > > alone

                  > > > > > > between harvest and planting, releases far smaller amounts of a

                  > > > potent

                  > > > > > > greenhouse ...

                  > > > > > > <http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=132669531>

                  > > > > > >

                  > > > > > > --

                  > > > > > > Raju Titus. Hoshangabad. 461001.India.

                  > > > > > > +919179738049.

                  > > > > > > http://picasaweb.google.com/rajuktitus<

                  > > > > > > http://picasawebalbum.google.com/rajuktitus>

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                  > > > > > >

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                • Raju Titus
                  Dear friend, Destructive effect is mainly by Tilling and killing and as soon as we stop killing and allow biodiversity to work land start showing result.
                  Message 8 of 24 , Jan 11, 2011
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                    Dear friend,
                    Destructive effect is mainly by "Tilling" and killing and as soon as we stop
                    killing and allow biodiversity to work land start showing result. There is
                    no difference in Chemical base urea and man made urine base fertilizer. Both
                    reduces resistance power if uses as medicine. But Green cover is harmless.
                    It allow rain water to go in side the land, hold vapors for moisture and
                    provide air,sun and shade for biodiversity to work. I am keeping milch
                    animals giving back all crop residues,dung and urine to field. People
                    thinking that instead of chemicals use of dung and urine is organic in
                    tilled soil is wrong. Tilling is not organic process, It kills biodiversity
                    of the soil. People bringing lot of fodder from a big area for milch
                    animals and give back dung and urine in a small piece of land is
                    exploitation of bio mass. It does not mean that Fukuoka farming is against
                    of cow philosophy and anti organic but is a true way of organic farming and
                    true way of saving cow in India. Take example of my field i am keeping trees
                    for fodder my animal herd is free grazing in this field dung and urine is
                    naturally going back in field. I am using bio gas plant some dung and home
                    waste with water going in to plant slurry goes in field.
                    Thanks
                    Raju
                    On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 8:38 AM, Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...>wrote:

                    >
                    >
                    > Mulch cover is a must in natural farming but the point is how quick
                    > mulching
                    > alone could make the farm lively from the destructive effects of previous
                    > chemical farming. Or a short term use of a catalyst like cow dung / urine /
                    > animal wastes should be used for a limited period to hasten the process ?
                    >
                    > Boovarahan S
                    >
                    >
                    > On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 7:43 PM, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...<rajuktitus%40gmail.com>>
                    > wrote:
                    >
                    > > Dear friend,
                    > > For poor soil and fast recovery this is the best economical way.
                    > > Parthenium,Hemp,subabul or other locally available ground cover crop can
                    > > solve problem. Bringing compost from out side or making compost is not
                    > easy
                    > > task and this will not so useful as cover crop.
                    > > Thanks
                    > > Raju
                    > >
                    > > On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 6:27 PM, Sumant Joshi <sumant_jo@...<sumant_jo%40yahoo.com>>
                    > wrote:
                    > >
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > > Thats true but what Nandan and others are trying to say is, if the soil
                    > > is
                    > > > very poor it will need some help in the beginning, to recover quickly.
                    > > >
                    > > > Sent from my BSNL landline B-fone
                    > > >
                    > > > Warm regards,
                    > > >
                    > > > Sumant Joshi
                    > > > Tel - 09370010424, 0253-2361161
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > > --- On Tue, 11/1/11, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...<rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
                    > <rajuktitus%
                    >
                    > > 40gmail.com>>
                    > > > wrote:
                    > > >
                    > > > From: Raju Titus <rajuktitus@... <rajuktitus%40gmail.com><rajuktitus%
                    > 40gmail.com>>
                    > > > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                    > > > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com<fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%
                    > 40yahoogroups.com>
                    > > > Date: Tuesday, 11 January, 2011, 12:22 PM
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > > Dear friend,
                    > > > Land means group of microbes, eggs of earth worms and many insects. If
                    > > this
                    > > > biodiversity gets proper environment by stopping tilling, providing
                    > cover
                    > > > of
                    > > > green and straw there is no need of man made fertilizer. This
                    > > biodiversity
                    > > > multiply very fast and convert poor soil in to good soil.
                    > > > Thanks
                    > > > Raju
                    > > >
                    > > > On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 10:37 PM, Nandan Palaparambil <
                    > > > p_k_nandanan@... <p_k_nandanan%40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                    > 40yahoo.com>> wrote:
                    > > >
                    > > > >
                    > > > >
                    > > > > Dear Raju sir,
                    > > > >
                    > > > > It is very unlikely that land which is being cultivated using
                    > chemicals
                    > > > > have insects, microbes,earth worms etc. So challenge is to convert
                    > land
                    > > > from
                    > > > > chemical based agriculture to natural farming without much loss for
                    > the
                    > > > > farmers. To achieve this while converting itself, we may have to give
                    > > > some
                    > > > > additional inputs like cow dung, compost etc..so that land recover
                    > > > quickly
                    > > > > and once it is recovered we need not give any additional inputs. I
                    > > > remember
                    > > > > there is a mention of the same in 'One straw revolution' that
                    > > initially
                    > > > we
                    > > > > may have to do weeding, apply compost etc..but slowly this can be
                    > > > reduced.
                    > > > >
                    > > > > Probably in your book you can give your own experiences of converting
                    > > > land
                    > > > > to natural farming..as many examples as possible and with a stress to
                    > > the
                    > > > > failures..
                    > > > >
                    > > > > Regards,
                    > > > > Nandan
                    > > > >
                    > > > > --- On Sat, 1/8/11, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...<rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
                    > <rajuktitus%
                    > > 40gmail.com>
                    > > > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>>
                    > > > > wrote:
                    > > > >
                    > > > > From: Raju Titus <rajuktitus@... <rajuktitus%40gmail.com><rajuktitus%
                    > 40gmail.com
                    > > ><rajuktitus%
                    > > > 40gmail.com>>
                    > > >
                    > > > >
                    > > > > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                    > > > > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com<fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%
                    > 40yahoogroups.com
                    > > ><fukuoka_farming%
                    > > > 40yahoogroups.com>
                    > > > > Date: Saturday, January 8, 2011, 12:13 PM
                    > > > >
                    > > > >
                    > > > > Dear Nandan,
                    > > > > I was also thinking same but now i found that if land is live having
                    > > > > microbes,worms,insects and small animals like rats, reptiles etc. can
                    > > be
                    > > > > converted in to natural with in a season by providing sufficient
                    > green
                    > > > > cover
                    > > > > + dry mulch. Because these things convert land into pourus,moist and
                    > > > > fertile
                    > > > > quickly better than any means. Tilling remove all these things
                    > > therefore
                    > > > > land become poor but as soon as you stop tilling and provide shade of
                    > > > > ground
                    > > > > cover all these things come and start work. Water holding capacity,
                    > > > > fertility and porosity is directly related with the presence of
                    > > organism
                    > > > in
                    > > > > the soil.
                    > > > > Thanks
                    > > > > Raju
                    > > > >
                    > > > > On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 11:05 PM, Nandan Palaparambil <
                    > > > > p_k_nandanan@... <p_k_nandanan%40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                    > 40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                    >
                    > > > 40yahoo.com>
                    > > > > > wrote:
                    > > > >
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > > Yes, at least some people will understand the no-tilling on seeing
                    > > the
                    > > > > > results.
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > > But if the land was cultivated with chemicals earlier and suddenly
                    > > when
                    > > > > you
                    > > > > > move to no-till natural farming, there may be some surprises. It
                    > take
                    > > > at
                    > > > > > least a few years to make the land respond to no-till natural
                    > > farming.
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > > Regards,
                    > > > > > Nandan
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > > --- On Fri, 1/7/11, Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...<offtown%40gmail.com>
                    > > <offtown%40gmail.com>
                    > > > <offtown%40gmail.com>
                    > > > > <offtown%40gmail.com>>
                    > > > >
                    > > > > > wrote:
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > > From: Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...<offtown%40gmail.com><offtown%
                    > 40gmail.com
                    > > ><offtown%
                    > > > 40gmail.com><offtown%
                    > > > > 40gmail.com>>
                    > > > > > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                    > > > > > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com<fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com>
                    > <fukuoka_farming%
                    > > 40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%
                    > > > 40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%
                    > > > > 40yahoogroups.com>
                    > > > > > Date: Friday, January 7, 2011, 6:10 PM
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > > Hi !
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > > When I tried to interact with local farmers ,all started to laugh
                    > at
                    > > me
                    > > > > > about the idea of non-tilling.
                    > > > > > People are hell bent on the notion that land must be tilled and
                    > > > anything
                    > > > > we
                    > > > > > say against it falls on deaf ears.
                    > > > > > That'swhy I have taken up a practical way of demonstrating no till
                    > > > > farming.
                    > > > > > As on date our farmers are sceptical about the growth of plants
                    > > without
                    > > > > use
                    > > > > > of chemical ferilisers and pesticides. In the current season I have
                    > > my
                    > > > > > field
                    > > > > > in which plants are not given anything except water. The growth of
                    > > the
                    > > > > rice
                    > > > > > plant is comparable to others' fields . I am waiting for the
                    > harvest
                    > > > > which
                    > > > > > could prove an eye-opener that plants need no chemicals .
                    > > > > > It is quite hard to make the farmers tide over their centuries' old
                    > > > > mental
                    > > > > > block of tilling.
                    > > > > > After the harvest is over , I intend to demonstrate no till farming
                    > > by
                    > > > > > actually doing this in my field. I hope at least a few ,if not all
                    > > > ,turn
                    > > > > up
                    > > > > > to no till farming.
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > > Boovarahan S
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > > On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 6:47 PM, Nandan Palaparambil
                    > > > > > <p_k_nandanan@... <p_k_nandanan%40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                    > 40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                    > > > 40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                    > > >
                    > > > > 40yahoo.com>>wrote:
                    > > > >
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > > >
                    > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > Experience no-till farmers should show case how this can be done
                    > > > easily
                    > > > > > for
                    > > > > > > each region. Once conventional farmers know exactly what has to
                    > be
                    > > > done
                    > > > > > then
                    > > > > > > only people will move to this. Probably initially additional
                    > > mulching
                    > > > > has
                    > > > > > to
                    > > > > > > be done to achieve no-till farming, but the system should be very
                    > > > clear
                    > > > > > and
                    > > > > > > cost should be affordable and yield should be satisfying.
                    > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > Regards,
                    > > > > > > Nandan
                    > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > --- On Thu, 1/6/11, Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...<offtown%40gmail.com>
                    > > <offtown%40gmail.com>
                    > > > <offtown%40gmail.com>
                    > > > > <offtown%40gmail.com>
                    > > > > > <offtown%40gmail.com>>
                    > > > > > > wrote:
                    > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > From: Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...<offtown%40gmail.com><offtown%
                    > > 40gmail.com><offtown%
                    > > > 40gmail.com><offtown%
                    > > > > 40gmail.com><offtown%
                    > > > >
                    > > > > > 40gmail.com>>
                    > > > > > > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                    > > > > > > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com<fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com>
                    > <fukuoka_farming%
                    > > 40yahoogroups.com>
                    > > > <fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%
                    > > > > 40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%
                    > > > >
                    > > > > > 40yahoogroups.com>
                    > > > > > > Date: Thursday, January 6, 2011, 5:55 PM
                    > > > > > >
                    > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > That study results are encouraging for no till farmers.
                    > > > > > > Hope the farming community throws out heavy machinery and land
                    > > > breaking
                    > > > > > > machines sooner than later.
                    > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > Boovarahan S
                    > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 5:15 PM, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...<rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
                    > > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
                    > > > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
                    > > > > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
                    > > > > > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>>
                    > > > > > > wrote:
                    > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > Study: No-Till Farming Reduces Greenhouse Gas
                    > > > > > > > NPR
                    > > > > > > > A new study that suggests no-till farming, in which fields are
                    > > left
                    > > > > > alone
                    > > > > > > > between harvest and planting, releases far smaller amounts of a
                    > > > > potent
                    > > > > > > > greenhouse ...
                    > > > > > > > <
                    > http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=132669531>
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                  • Nandan Palaparambil
                    Dear Raju sir, I don t really get this.. There is no difference in Chemical base urea and man made urine base fertilizer . Also I don t find any problem in
                    Message 9 of 24 , Jan 12, 2011
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                      Dear Raju sir,

                      I don't really get this.. "There is no difference in Chemical base urea and man made urine base fertilizer".

                      Also I don't find any problem in brnging biomass from other areas and feeding cows and giving cow dung and urine to smaller area where we cultivate. This is just about moving the fertility from one place to another.

                      Agriculture has some artificiality connected with it, even replacing natural grown grass cover with legume cover is mono cropping in its true sense. But it looks like without these artificiality agriculture is not possible.


                      Regards,
                      Nandan

                      --- On Wed, 1/12/11, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...> wrote:

                      From: Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...>
                      Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                      To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com
                      Date: Wednesday, January 12, 2011, 12:19 PM

                      Dear friend,
                      Destructive effect is mainly by "Tilling" and killing and as soon as we stop
                      killing and allow biodiversity to work land start showing result. There is
                      no difference in Chemical base urea and man made urine base fertilizer. Both
                      reduces resistance power if uses as medicine. But Green cover is harmless.
                      It allow rain water to go in side the land,  hold vapors for moisture and
                      provide air,sun and shade  for biodiversity to work.  I am keeping milch
                      animals giving back all crop residues,dung and urine to field. People
                      thinking that instead of chemicals use of dung and urine is organic in
                      tilled soil is wrong. Tilling is not organic process, It kills biodiversity
                      of the soil.  People bringing lot of fodder from a big area for milch
                      animals and give back dung and urine in a small piece  of land is
                      exploitation of bio mass. It does not mean that Fukuoka farming is against
                      of cow philosophy and anti organic but is a true way of organic farming and
                      true way of saving cow in India. Take example of my field i am keeping trees
                      for  fodder my animal herd is free grazing in this field  dung and urine is
                      naturally going back in field. I am using bio gas plant  some dung and home
                      waste with water going in to plant slurry goes in field.
                      Thanks
                      Raju
                      On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 8:38 AM, Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...>wrote:

                      >
                      >
                      > Mulch cover is a must in natural farming but the point is how quick
                      > mulching
                      > alone could make the farm lively from the destructive effects of previous
                      > chemical farming. Or a short term use of a catalyst like cow dung / urine /
                      > animal wastes should be used for a limited period to hasten the process ?
                      >
                      > Boovarahan S
                      >
                      >
                      > On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 7:43 PM, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...<rajuktitus%40gmail.com>>
                      > wrote:
                      >
                      > > Dear friend,
                      > > For poor soil and fast recovery this is the best economical way.
                      > > Parthenium,Hemp,subabul or other locally available ground cover crop can
                      > > solve problem. Bringing compost from out side or making compost is not
                      > easy
                      > > task and this will not so useful as cover crop.
                      > > Thanks
                      > > Raju
                      > >
                      > > On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 6:27 PM, Sumant Joshi <sumant_jo@...<sumant_jo%40yahoo.com>>
                      > wrote:
                      > >
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > > Thats true but what Nandan and others are trying to say is, if the soil
                      > > is
                      > > > very poor it will need some help in the beginning, to recover quickly.
                      > > >
                      > > > Sent from my BSNL landline B-fone
                      > > >
                      > > > Warm regards,
                      > > >
                      > > > Sumant Joshi
                      > > > Tel - 09370010424, 0253-2361161
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > > --- On Tue, 11/1/11, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...<rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
                      > <rajuktitus%
                      >
                      > > 40gmail.com>>
                      > > > wrote:
                      > > >
                      > > > From: Raju Titus <rajuktitus@... <rajuktitus%40gmail.com><rajuktitus%
                      > 40gmail.com>>
                      > > > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                      > > > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com<fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%
                      > 40yahoogroups.com>
                      > > > Date: Tuesday, 11 January, 2011, 12:22 PM
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > > Dear friend,
                      > > > Land means group of microbes, eggs of earth worms and many insects. If
                      > > this
                      > > > biodiversity gets proper environment by stopping tilling, providing
                      > cover
                      > > > of
                      > > > green and straw there is no need of man made fertilizer. This
                      > > biodiversity
                      > > > multiply very fast and convert poor soil in to good soil.
                      > > > Thanks
                      > > > Raju
                      > > >
                      > > > On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 10:37 PM, Nandan Palaparambil <
                      > > > p_k_nandanan@... <p_k_nandanan%40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                      > 40yahoo.com>> wrote:
                      > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > > > Dear Raju sir,
                      > > > >
                      > > > > It is very unlikely that land which is being cultivated using
                      > chemicals
                      > > > > have insects, microbes,earth worms etc. So challenge is to convert
                      > land
                      > > > from
                      > > > > chemical based agriculture to natural farming without much loss for
                      > the
                      > > > > farmers. To achieve this while converting itself, we may have to give
                      > > > some
                      > > > > additional inputs like cow dung, compost etc..so that land recover
                      > > > quickly
                      > > > > and once it is recovered we need not give any additional inputs. I
                      > > > remember
                      > > > > there is a mention of the same in 'One straw revolution' that
                      > > initially
                      > > > we
                      > > > > may have to do weeding, apply compost etc..but slowly this can be
                      > > > reduced.
                      > > > >
                      > > > > Probably in your book you can give your own experiences of converting
                      > > > land
                      > > > > to natural farming..as many examples as possible and with a stress to
                      > > the
                      > > > > failures..
                      > > > >
                      > > > > Regards,
                      > > > > Nandan
                      > > > >
                      > > > > --- On Sat, 1/8/11, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...<rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
                      > <rajuktitus%
                      > > 40gmail.com>
                      > > > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>>
                      > > > > wrote:
                      > > > >
                      > > > > From: Raju Titus <rajuktitus@... <rajuktitus%40gmail.com><rajuktitus%
                      > 40gmail.com
                      > > ><rajuktitus%
                      > > > 40gmail.com>>
                      > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > > > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                      > > > > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com<fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%
                      > 40yahoogroups.com
                      > > ><fukuoka_farming%
                      > > > 40yahoogroups.com>
                      > > > > Date: Saturday, January 8, 2011, 12:13 PM
                      > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > > > Dear Nandan,
                      > > > > I was also thinking same but now i found that if land is live having
                      > > > > microbes,worms,insects and small animals like rats, reptiles etc. can
                      > > be
                      > > > > converted in to natural with in a season by providing sufficient
                      > green
                      > > > > cover
                      > > > > + dry mulch. Because these things convert land into pourus,moist and
                      > > > > fertile
                      > > > > quickly better than any means. Tilling remove all these things
                      > > therefore
                      > > > > land become poor but as soon as you stop tilling and provide shade of
                      > > > > ground
                      > > > > cover all these things come and start work. Water holding capacity,
                      > > > > fertility and porosity is directly related with the presence of
                      > > organism
                      > > > in
                      > > > > the soil.
                      > > > > Thanks
                      > > > > Raju
                      > > > >
                      > > > > On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 11:05 PM, Nandan Palaparambil <
                      > > > > p_k_nandanan@... <p_k_nandanan%40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                      > 40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                      >
                      > > > 40yahoo.com>
                      > > > > > wrote:
                      > > > >
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > Yes, at least some people will understand the no-tilling on seeing
                      > > the
                      > > > > > results.
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > But if the land was cultivated with chemicals earlier and suddenly
                      > > when
                      > > > > you
                      > > > > > move to no-till natural farming, there may be some surprises. It
                      > take
                      > > > at
                      > > > > > least a few years to make the land respond to no-till natural
                      > > farming.
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > Regards,
                      > > > > > Nandan
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > --- On Fri, 1/7/11, Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...<offtown%40gmail.com>
                      > > <offtown%40gmail.com>
                      > > > <offtown%40gmail.com>
                      > > > > <offtown%40gmail.com>>
                      > > > >
                      > > > > > wrote:
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > From: Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...<offtown%40gmail.com><offtown%
                      > 40gmail.com
                      > > ><offtown%
                      > > > 40gmail.com><offtown%
                      > > > > 40gmail.com>>
                      > > > > > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                      > > > > > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com<fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com>
                      > <fukuoka_farming%
                      > > 40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%
                      > > > 40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%
                      > > > > 40yahoogroups.com>
                      > > > > > Date: Friday, January 7, 2011, 6:10 PM
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > Hi !
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > When I tried to interact with local farmers ,all started to laugh
                      > at
                      > > me
                      > > > > > about the idea of non-tilling.
                      > > > > > People are hell bent on the notion that land must be tilled and
                      > > > anything
                      > > > > we
                      > > > > > say against it falls on deaf ears.
                      > > > > > That'swhy I have taken up a practical way of demonstrating no till
                      > > > > farming.
                      > > > > > As on date our farmers are sceptical about the growth of plants
                      > > without
                      > > > > use
                      > > > > > of chemical ferilisers and pesticides. In the current season I have
                      > > my
                      > > > > > field
                      > > > > > in which plants are not given anything except water. The growth of
                      > > the
                      > > > > rice
                      > > > > > plant is comparable to others' fields . I am waiting for the
                      > harvest
                      > > > > which
                      > > > > > could prove an eye-opener that plants need no chemicals .
                      > > > > > It is quite hard to make the farmers tide over their centuries' old
                      > > > > mental
                      > > > > > block of tilling.
                      > > > > > After the harvest is over , I intend to demonstrate no till farming
                      > > by
                      > > > > > actually doing this in my field. I hope at least a few ,if not all
                      > > > ,turn
                      > > > > up
                      > > > > > to no till farming.
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > Boovarahan S
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 6:47 PM, Nandan Palaparambil
                      > > > > > <p_k_nandanan@... <p_k_nandanan%40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                      > 40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                      > > > 40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                      > > >
                      > > > > 40yahoo.com>>wrote:
                      > > > >
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > >
                      > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > Experience no-till farmers should show case how this can be done
                      > > > easily
                      > > > > > for
                      > > > > > > each region. Once conventional farmers know exactly what has to
                      > be
                      > > > done
                      > > > > > then
                      > > > > > > only people will move to this. Probably initially additional
                      > > mulching
                      > > > > has
                      > > > > > to
                      > > > > > > be done to achieve no-till farming, but the system should be very
                      > > > clear
                      > > > > > and
                      > > > > > > cost should be affordable and yield should be satisfying.
                      > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > Regards,
                      > > > > > > Nandan
                      > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > --- On Thu, 1/6/11, Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...<offtown%40gmail.com>
                      > > <offtown%40gmail.com>
                      > > > <offtown%40gmail.com>
                      > > > > <offtown%40gmail.com>
                      > > > > > <offtown%40gmail.com>>
                      > > > > > > wrote:
                      > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > From: Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...<offtown%40gmail.com><offtown%
                      > > 40gmail.com><offtown%
                      > > > 40gmail.com><offtown%
                      > > > > 40gmail.com><offtown%
                      > > > >
                      > > > > > 40gmail.com>>
                      > > > > > > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                      > > > > > > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com<fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com>
                      > <fukuoka_farming%
                      > > 40yahoogroups.com>
                      > > > <fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%
                      > > > > 40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%
                      > > > >
                      > > > > > 40yahoogroups.com>
                      > > > > > > Date: Thursday, January 6, 2011, 5:55 PM
                      > > > > > >
                      > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > That study results are encouraging for no till farmers.
                      > > > > > > Hope the farming community throws out heavy machinery and land
                      > > > breaking
                      > > > > > > machines sooner than later.
                      > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > Boovarahan S
                      > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 5:15 PM, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...<rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
                      > > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
                      > > > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
                      > > > > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
                      > > > > > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>>
                      > > > > > > wrote:
                      > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > Study: No-Till Farming Reduces Greenhouse Gas
                      > > > > > > > NPR
                      > > > > > > > A new study that suggests no-till farming, in which fields are
                      > > left
                      > > > > > alone
                      > > > > > > > between harvest and planting, releases far smaller amounts of a
                      > > > > potent
                      > > > > > > > greenhouse ...
                      > > > > > > > <
                      > http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=132669531>
                      > > > > > > >
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                      Dear Nandan, I may be wrong please explain how you are saying that urea and urine base fertilizers are not same ? Both are unnatural,used in nitrogen deficit
                      Message 10 of 24 , Jan 12, 2011
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                        Dear Nandan,
                        I may be wrong please explain how you are saying that urea and urine base
                        fertilizers are not same ? Both are unnatural,used in nitrogen deficit soil
                        and nitrogen deficiency in the soil due to unnatural way of farming.
                        killing by Neem or Melathion is also same. Tilling and killing base farming
                        methods are not organic(Live) or natural.
                        Raju

                        On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 4:07 PM, Nandan Palaparambil <p_k_nandanan@...
                        > wrote:

                        >
                        >
                        > Dear Raju sir,
                        >
                        > I don't really get this.. "There is no difference in Chemical base urea and
                        > man made urine base fertilizer".
                        >
                        > Also I don't find any problem in brnging biomass from other areas and
                        > feeding cows and giving cow dung and urine to smaller area where we
                        > cultivate. This is just about moving the fertility from one place to
                        > another.
                        >
                        > Agriculture has some artificiality connected with it, even replacing
                        > natural grown grass cover with legume cover is mono cropping in its true
                        > sense. But it looks like without these artificiality agriculture is not
                        > possible.
                        >
                        > Regards,
                        > Nandan
                        >
                        >
                        > --- On Wed, 1/12/11, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...<rajuktitus%40gmail.com>>
                        > wrote:
                        >
                        > From: Raju Titus <rajuktitus@... <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>>
                        > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                        > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com <fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com>
                        > Date: Wednesday, January 12, 2011, 12:19 PM
                        >
                        >
                        > Dear friend,
                        > Destructive effect is mainly by "Tilling" and killing and as soon as we
                        > stop
                        > killing and allow biodiversity to work land start showing result. There is
                        > no difference in Chemical base urea and man made urine base fertilizer.
                        > Both
                        > reduces resistance power if uses as medicine. But Green cover is harmless.
                        > It allow rain water to go in side the land, hold vapors for moisture and
                        > provide air,sun and shade for biodiversity to work. I am keeping milch
                        > animals giving back all crop residues,dung and urine to field. People
                        > thinking that instead of chemicals use of dung and urine is organic in
                        > tilled soil is wrong. Tilling is not organic process, It kills biodiversity
                        > of the soil. People bringing lot of fodder from a big area for milch
                        > animals and give back dung and urine in a small piece of land is
                        > exploitation of bio mass. It does not mean that Fukuoka farming is against
                        > of cow philosophy and anti organic but is a true way of organic farming and
                        > true way of saving cow in India. Take example of my field i am keeping
                        > trees
                        > for fodder my animal herd is free grazing in this field dung and urine is
                        > naturally going back in field. I am using bio gas plant some dung and home
                        > waste with water going in to plant slurry goes in field.
                        > Thanks
                        > Raju
                        > On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 8:38 AM, Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...<offtown%40gmail.com>
                        > >wrote:
                        >
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > Mulch cover is a must in natural farming but the point is how quick
                        > > mulching
                        > > alone could make the farm lively from the destructive effects of previous
                        > > chemical farming. Or a short term use of a catalyst like cow dung / urine
                        > /
                        > > animal wastes should be used for a limited period to hasten the process ?
                        > >
                        > > Boovarahan S
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 7:43 PM, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...<rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
                        > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>>
                        >
                        > > wrote:
                        > >
                        > > > Dear friend,
                        > > > For poor soil and fast recovery this is the best economical way.
                        > > > Parthenium,Hemp,subabul or other locally available ground cover crop
                        > can
                        > > > solve problem. Bringing compost from out side or making compost is not
                        > > easy
                        > > > task and this will not so useful as cover crop.
                        > > > Thanks
                        > > > Raju
                        > > >
                        > > > On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 6:27 PM, Sumant Joshi <sumant_jo@...<sumant_jo%40yahoo.com>
                        > <sumant_jo%40yahoo.com>>
                        >
                        > > wrote:
                        > > >
                        > > > >
                        > > > >
                        > > > > Thats true but what Nandan and others are trying to say is, if the
                        > soil
                        > > > is
                        > > > > very poor it will need some help in the beginning, to recover
                        > quickly.
                        > > > >
                        > > > > Sent from my BSNL landline B-fone
                        > > > >
                        > > > > Warm regards,
                        > > > >
                        > > > > Sumant Joshi
                        > > > > Tel - 09370010424, 0253-2361161
                        > > > >
                        > > > >
                        > > > > --- On Tue, 11/1/11, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...<rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
                        > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
                        > > <rajuktitus%
                        > >
                        > > > 40gmail.com>>
                        > > > > wrote:
                        > > > >
                        > > > > From: Raju Titus <rajuktitus@... <rajuktitus%40gmail.com><rajuktitus%
                        > 40gmail.com><rajuktitus%
                        > > 40gmail.com>>
                        > > > > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                        > > > > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com<fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com>
                        > <fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%
                        > > 40yahoogroups.com>
                        > > > > Date: Tuesday, 11 January, 2011, 12:22 PM
                        > > > >
                        > > > >
                        > > > > Dear friend,
                        > > > > Land means group of microbes, eggs of earth worms and many insects.
                        > If
                        > > > this
                        > > > > biodiversity gets proper environment by stopping tilling, providing
                        > > cover
                        > > > > of
                        > > > > green and straw there is no need of man made fertilizer. This
                        > > > biodiversity
                        > > > > multiply very fast and convert poor soil in to good soil.
                        > > > > Thanks
                        > > > > Raju
                        > > > >
                        > > > > On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 10:37 PM, Nandan Palaparambil <
                        > > > > p_k_nandanan@... <p_k_nandanan%40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                        > 40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                        >
                        > > 40yahoo.com>> wrote:
                        > > > >
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > Dear Raju sir,
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > It is very unlikely that land which is being cultivated using
                        > > chemicals
                        > > > > > have insects, microbes,earth worms etc. So challenge is to convert
                        > > land
                        > > > > from
                        > > > > > chemical based agriculture to natural farming without much loss for
                        > > the
                        > > > > > farmers. To achieve this while converting itself, we may have to
                        > give
                        > > > > some
                        > > > > > additional inputs like cow dung, compost etc..so that land recover
                        > > > > quickly
                        > > > > > and once it is recovered we need not give any additional inputs. I
                        > > > > remember
                        > > > > > there is a mention of the same in 'One straw revolution' that
                        > > > initially
                        > > > > we
                        > > > > > may have to do weeding, apply compost etc..but slowly this can be
                        > > > > reduced.
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > Probably in your book you can give your own experiences of
                        > converting
                        > > > > land
                        > > > > > to natural farming..as many examples as possible and with a stress
                        > to
                        > > > the
                        > > > > > failures..
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > Regards,
                        > > > > > Nandan
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/8/11, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...<rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
                        > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
                        > > <rajuktitus%
                        > > > 40gmail.com>
                        > > > > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>>
                        > > > > > wrote:
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > From: Raju Titus <rajuktitus@... <rajuktitus%40gmail.com><rajuktitus%
                        > 40gmail.com><rajuktitus%
                        > > 40gmail.com
                        > > > ><rajuktitus%
                        > > > > 40gmail.com>>
                        > > > >
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                        > > > > > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com<fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com>
                        > <fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%
                        > > 40yahoogroups.com
                        > > > ><fukuoka_farming%
                        > > > > 40yahoogroups.com>
                        > > > > > Date: Saturday, January 8, 2011, 12:13 PM
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > Dear Nandan,
                        > > > > > I was also thinking same but now i found that if land is live
                        > having
                        > > > > > microbes,worms,insects and small animals like rats, reptiles etc.
                        > can
                        > > > be
                        > > > > > converted in to natural with in a season by providing sufficient
                        > > green
                        > > > > > cover
                        > > > > > + dry mulch. Because these things convert land into pourus,moist
                        > and
                        > > > > > fertile
                        > > > > > quickly better than any means. Tilling remove all these things
                        > > > therefore
                        > > > > > land become poor but as soon as you stop tilling and provide shade
                        > of
                        > > > > > ground
                        > > > > > cover all these things come and start work. Water holding capacity,
                        > > > > > fertility and porosity is directly related with the presence of
                        > > > organism
                        > > > > in
                        > > > > > the soil.
                        > > > > > Thanks
                        > > > > > Raju
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 11:05 PM, Nandan Palaparambil <
                        > > > > > p_k_nandanan@... <p_k_nandanan%40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                        > 40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                        > > 40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                        > >
                        > > > > 40yahoo.com>
                        > > > > > > wrote:
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > >
                        > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > Yes, at least some people will understand the no-tilling on
                        > seeing
                        > > > the
                        > > > > > > results.
                        > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > But if the land was cultivated with chemicals earlier and
                        > suddenly
                        > > > when
                        > > > > > you
                        > > > > > > move to no-till natural farming, there may be some surprises. It
                        > > take
                        > > > > at
                        > > > > > > least a few years to make the land respond to no-till natural
                        > > > farming.
                        > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > Regards,
                        > > > > > > Nandan
                        > > > > > >
                        > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > --- On Fri, 1/7/11, Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...<offtown%40gmail.com>
                        > <offtown%40gmail.com>
                        > > > <offtown%40gmail.com>
                        > > > > <offtown%40gmail.com>
                        > > > > > <offtown%40gmail.com>>
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > > wrote:
                        > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > From: Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...<offtown%40gmail.com>
                        > <offtown%40gmail.com><offtown%
                        > > 40gmail.com
                        > > > ><offtown%
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                        > > > > > > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                        > > > > > > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com<fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com>
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                        > > > > > > Date: Friday, January 7, 2011, 6:10 PM
                        > > > > > >
                        > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > Hi !
                        > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > When I tried to interact with local farmers ,all started to laugh
                        > > at
                        > > > me
                        > > > > > > about the idea of non-tilling.
                        > > > > > > People are hell bent on the notion that land must be tilled and
                        > > > > anything
                        > > > > > we
                        > > > > > > say against it falls on deaf ears.
                        > > > > > > That'swhy I have taken up a practical way of demonstrating no
                        > till
                        > > > > > farming.
                        > > > > > > As on date our farmers are sceptical about the growth of plants
                        > > > without
                        > > > > > use
                        > > > > > > of chemical ferilisers and pesticides. In the current season I
                        > have
                        > > > my
                        > > > > > > field
                        > > > > > > in which plants are not given anything except water. The growth
                        > of
                        > > > the
                        > > > > > rice
                        > > > > > > plant is comparable to others' fields . I am waiting for the
                        > > harvest
                        > > > > > which
                        > > > > > > could prove an eye-opener that plants need no chemicals .
                        > > > > > > It is quite hard to make the farmers tide over their centuries'
                        > old
                        > > > > > mental
                        > > > > > > block of tilling.
                        > > > > > > After the harvest is over , I intend to demonstrate no till
                        > farming
                        > > > by
                        > > > > > > actually doing this in my field. I hope at least a few ,if not
                        > all
                        > > > > ,turn
                        > > > > > up
                        > > > > > > to no till farming.
                        > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > Boovarahan S
                        > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 6:47 PM, Nandan Palaparambil
                        > > > > > > <p_k_nandanan@... <p_k_nandanan%40yahoo.com><p_k_nandanan%
                        > 40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                        > > 40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                        > > > > 40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                        > > > >
                        > > > > > 40yahoo.com>>wrote:
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > Experience no-till farmers should show case how this can be
                        > done
                        > > > > easily
                        > > > > > > for
                        > > > > > > > each region. Once conventional farmers know exactly what has to
                        > > be
                        > > > > done
                        > > > > > > then
                        > > > > > > > only people will move to this. Probably initially additional
                        > > > mulching
                        > > > > > has
                        > > > > > > to
                        > > > > > > > be done to achieve no-till farming, but the system should be
                        > very
                        > > > > clear
                        > > > > > > and
                        > > > > > > > cost should be affordable and yield should be satisfying.
                        > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > Regards,
                        > > > > > > > Nandan
                        > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 1/6/11, Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...<offtown%40gmail.com>
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                        > > > > > > > wrote:
                        > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > From: Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...<offtown%40gmail.com>
                        > <offtown%40gmail.com><offtown%
                        > > > 40gmail.com><offtown%
                        > > > > 40gmail.com><offtown%
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                        > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                        > > > > > > > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com<fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com>
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                        > > > > > > > Date: Thursday, January 6, 2011, 5:55 PM
                        > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > That study results are encouraging for no till farmers.
                        > > > > > > > Hope the farming community throws out heavy machinery and land
                        > > > > breaking
                        > > > > > > > machines sooner than later.
                        > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > Boovarahan S
                        > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 5:15 PM, Raju Titus <
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                        > > > > > > > wrote:
                        > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > Study: No-Till Farming Reduces Greenhouse Gas
                        > > > > > > > > NPR
                        > > > > > > > > A new study that suggests no-till farming, in which fields
                        > are
                        > > > left
                        > > > > > > alone
                        > > > > > > > > between harvest and planting, releases far smaller amounts of
                        > a
                        > > > > > potent
                        > > > > > > > > greenhouse ...
                        > > > > > > > > <
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                      • Boovarahan Srinivasan
                        Dear Raju sir, There is no second opinion that tilling is to be done way outright. The point is whether non chemical methods are necessary to boost the speed
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                          Dear Raju sir,

                          There is no second opinion that tilling is to be done way outright.
                          The point is whether non chemical methods are necessary to boost the speed
                          of establishing a healthy micro climate for the micro organisms to thrive
                          in.
                          As you have rightly said the low amount of cow dung available in the farms
                          due to cattle grazing is enough to induce micro organisms to become active .
                          I think that is what you are doing in your farm. Same is the case in forests
                          where the cattle droppings serve the purpose. Of course there is no need of
                          a catalyst in a forest.
                          I think so much of fuss is made on making nitogen availability to the
                          plants.
                          After all more than 70 percent of air is occupied ny nitrogen and just a
                          little of this is needed by the crops for their growth which is sufficiently
                          provided by legume cover. The question is about the need of other nutrients
                          besides nitrogen and the part of micro organisms in providing them to the
                          plants.

                          Hope I have understood right!.

                          Regards.

                          Boovarahan S

                          On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 4:27 PM, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...> wrote:

                          > Dear Nandan,
                          > I may be wrong please explain how you are saying that urea and urine base
                          > fertilizers are not same ? Both are unnatural,used in nitrogen deficit soil
                          > and nitrogen deficiency in the soil due to unnatural way of farming.
                          > killing by Neem or Melathion is also same. Tilling and killing base
                          > farming
                          > methods are not organic(Live) or natural.
                          > Raju
                          >
                          > On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 4:07 PM, Nandan Palaparambil <
                          > p_k_nandanan@...
                          > > wrote:
                          >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > Dear Raju sir,
                          > >
                          > > I don't really get this.. "There is no difference in Chemical base urea
                          > and
                          > > man made urine base fertilizer".
                          > >
                          > > Also I don't find any problem in brnging biomass from other areas and
                          > > feeding cows and giving cow dung and urine to smaller area where we
                          > > cultivate. This is just about moving the fertility from one place to
                          > > another.
                          > >
                          > > Agriculture has some artificiality connected with it, even replacing
                          > > natural grown grass cover with legume cover is mono cropping in its true
                          > > sense. But it looks like without these artificiality agriculture is not
                          > > possible.
                          > >
                          > > Regards,
                          > > Nandan
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > --- On Wed, 1/12/11, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...<rajuktitus%
                          > 40gmail.com>>
                          > > wrote:
                          > >
                          > > From: Raju Titus <rajuktitus@... <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>>
                          > > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                          > > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com <fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com>
                          > > Date: Wednesday, January 12, 2011, 12:19 PM
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > Dear friend,
                          > > Destructive effect is mainly by "Tilling" and killing and as soon as we
                          > > stop
                          > > killing and allow biodiversity to work land start showing result. There
                          > is
                          > > no difference in Chemical base urea and man made urine base fertilizer.
                          > > Both
                          > > reduces resistance power if uses as medicine. But Green cover is
                          > harmless.
                          > > It allow rain water to go in side the land, hold vapors for moisture and
                          > > provide air,sun and shade for biodiversity to work. I am keeping milch
                          > > animals giving back all crop residues,dung and urine to field. People
                          > > thinking that instead of chemicals use of dung and urine is organic in
                          > > tilled soil is wrong. Tilling is not organic process, It kills
                          > biodiversity
                          > > of the soil. People bringing lot of fodder from a big area for milch
                          > > animals and give back dung and urine in a small piece of land is
                          > > exploitation of bio mass. It does not mean that Fukuoka farming is
                          > against
                          > > of cow philosophy and anti organic but is a true way of organic farming
                          > and
                          > > true way of saving cow in India. Take example of my field i am keeping
                          > > trees
                          > > for fodder my animal herd is free grazing in this field dung and urine
                          > is
                          > > naturally going back in field. I am using bio gas plant some dung and
                          > home
                          > > waste with water going in to plant slurry goes in field.
                          > > Thanks
                          > > Raju
                          > > On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 8:38 AM, Boovarahan Srinivasan <
                          > offtown@...<offtown%40gmail.com>
                          > > >wrote:
                          > >
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > > Mulch cover is a must in natural farming but the point is how quick
                          > > > mulching
                          > > > alone could make the farm lively from the destructive effects of
                          > previous
                          > > > chemical farming. Or a short term use of a catalyst like cow dung /
                          > urine
                          > > /
                          > > > animal wastes should be used for a limited period to hasten the process
                          > ?
                          > > >
                          > > > Boovarahan S
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > > On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 7:43 PM, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...
                          > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
                          > > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>>
                          > >
                          > > > wrote:
                          > > >
                          > > > > Dear friend,
                          > > > > For poor soil and fast recovery this is the best economical way.
                          > > > > Parthenium,Hemp,subabul or other locally available ground cover crop
                          > > can
                          > > > > solve problem. Bringing compost from out side or making compost is
                          > not
                          > > > easy
                          > > > > task and this will not so useful as cover crop.
                          > > > > Thanks
                          > > > > Raju
                          > > > >
                          > > > > On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 6:27 PM, Sumant Joshi <sumant_jo@...
                          > <sumant_jo%40yahoo.com>
                          > > <sumant_jo%40yahoo.com>>
                          > >
                          > > > wrote:
                          > > > >
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > Thats true but what Nandan and others are trying to say is, if the
                          > > soil
                          > > > > is
                          > > > > > very poor it will need some help in the beginning, to recover
                          > > quickly.
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > Sent from my BSNL landline B-fone
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > Warm regards,
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > Sumant Joshi
                          > > > > > Tel - 09370010424, 0253-2361161
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > --- On Tue, 11/1/11, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...<rajuktitus%
                          > 40gmail.com>
                          > > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
                          > > > <rajuktitus%
                          > > >
                          > > > > 40gmail.com>>
                          > > > > > wrote:
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > From: Raju Titus <rajuktitus@... <rajuktitus%40gmail.com
                          > ><rajuktitus%
                          > > 40gmail.com><rajuktitus%
                          > > > 40gmail.com>>
                          > > > > > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                          > > > > > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com<fukuoka_farming%
                          > 40yahoogroups.com>
                          > > <fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%
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                          > > > > > Date: Tuesday, 11 January, 2011, 12:22 PM
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > Dear friend,
                          > > > > > Land means group of microbes, eggs of earth worms and many insects.
                          > > If
                          > > > > this
                          > > > > > biodiversity gets proper environment by stopping tilling, providing
                          > > > cover
                          > > > > > of
                          > > > > > green and straw there is no need of man made fertilizer. This
                          > > > > biodiversity
                          > > > > > multiply very fast and convert poor soil in to good soil.
                          > > > > > Thanks
                          > > > > > Raju
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 10:37 PM, Nandan Palaparambil <
                          > > > > > p_k_nandanan@... <p_k_nandanan%40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                          > > 40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                          > >
                          > > > 40yahoo.com>> wrote:
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > >
                          > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > Dear Raju sir,
                          > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > It is very unlikely that land which is being cultivated using
                          > > > chemicals
                          > > > > > > have insects, microbes,earth worms etc. So challenge is to
                          > convert
                          > > > land
                          > > > > > from
                          > > > > > > chemical based agriculture to natural farming without much loss
                          > for
                          > > > the
                          > > > > > > farmers. To achieve this while converting itself, we may have to
                          > > give
                          > > > > > some
                          > > > > > > additional inputs like cow dung, compost etc..so that land
                          > recover
                          > > > > > quickly
                          > > > > > > and once it is recovered we need not give any additional inputs.
                          > I
                          > > > > > remember
                          > > > > > > there is a mention of the same in 'One straw revolution' that
                          > > > > initially
                          > > > > > we
                          > > > > > > may have to do weeding, apply compost etc..but slowly this can be
                          > > > > > reduced.
                          > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > Probably in your book you can give your own experiences of
                          > > converting
                          > > > > > land
                          > > > > > > to natural farming..as many examples as possible and with a
                          > stress
                          > > to
                          > > > > the
                          > > > > > > failures..
                          > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > Regards,
                          > > > > > > Nandan
                          > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/8/11, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...<rajuktitus%
                          > 40gmail.com>
                          > > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
                          > > > <rajuktitus%
                          > > > > 40gmail.com>
                          > > > > > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>>
                          > > > > > > wrote:
                          > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > From: Raju Titus <rajuktitus@... <rajuktitus%40gmail.com
                          > ><rajuktitus%
                          > > 40gmail.com><rajuktitus%
                          > > > 40gmail.com
                          > > > > ><rajuktitus%
                          > > > > > 40gmail.com>>
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                          > > > > > > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com<fukuoka_farming%
                          > 40yahoogroups.com>
                          > > <fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%
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                          > > > > > > Date: Saturday, January 8, 2011, 12:13 PM
                          > > > > > >
                          > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > Dear Nandan,
                          > > > > > > I was also thinking same but now i found that if land is live
                          > > having
                          > > > > > > microbes,worms,insects and small animals like rats, reptiles etc.
                          > > can
                          > > > > be
                          > > > > > > converted in to natural with in a season by providing sufficient
                          > > > green
                          > > > > > > cover
                          > > > > > > + dry mulch. Because these things convert land into pourus,moist
                          > > and
                          > > > > > > fertile
                          > > > > > > quickly better than any means. Tilling remove all these things
                          > > > > therefore
                          > > > > > > land become poor but as soon as you stop tilling and provide
                          > shade
                          > > of
                          > > > > > > ground
                          > > > > > > cover all these things come and start work. Water holding
                          > capacity,
                          > > > > > > fertility and porosity is directly related with the presence of
                          > > > > organism
                          > > > > > in
                          > > > > > > the soil.
                          > > > > > > Thanks
                          > > > > > > Raju
                          > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 11:05 PM, Nandan Palaparambil <
                          > > > > > > p_k_nandanan@... <p_k_nandanan%40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                          > > 40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                          > > > 40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                          > > >
                          > > > > > 40yahoo.com>
                          > > > > > > > wrote:
                          > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > Yes, at least some people will understand the no-tilling on
                          > > seeing
                          > > > > the
                          > > > > > > > results.
                          > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > But if the land was cultivated with chemicals earlier and
                          > > suddenly
                          > > > > when
                          > > > > > > you
                          > > > > > > > move to no-till natural farming, there may be some surprises.
                          > It
                          > > > take
                          > > > > > at
                          > > > > > > > least a few years to make the land respond to no-till natural
                          > > > > farming.
                          > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > Regards,
                          > > > > > > > Nandan
                          > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 1/7/11, Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...
                          > <offtown%40gmail.com>
                          > > <offtown%40gmail.com>
                          > > > > <offtown%40gmail.com>
                          > > > > > <offtown%40gmail.com>
                          > > > > > > <offtown%40gmail.com>>
                          > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > wrote:
                          > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > From: Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...<offtown%
                          > 40gmail.com>
                          > > <offtown%40gmail.com><offtown%
                          > > > 40gmail.com
                          > > > > ><offtown%
                          > > > > > 40gmail.com><offtown%
                          > > > > > > 40gmail.com>>
                          > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                          > > > > > > > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com<fukuoka_farming%
                          > 40yahoogroups.com>
                          > > <fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com>
                          > > > <fukuoka_farming%
                          > > > > 40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%
                          > > > > > 40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%
                          > > > > > > 40yahoogroups.com>
                          > > > > > > > Date: Friday, January 7, 2011, 6:10 PM
                          > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > Hi !
                          > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > When I tried to interact with local farmers ,all started to
                          > laugh
                          > > > at
                          > > > > me
                          > > > > > > > about the idea of non-tilling.
                          > > > > > > > People are hell bent on the notion that land must be tilled and
                          > > > > > anything
                          > > > > > > we
                          > > > > > > > say against it falls on deaf ears.
                          > > > > > > > That'swhy I have taken up a practical way of demonstrating no
                          > > till
                          > > > > > > farming.
                          > > > > > > > As on date our farmers are sceptical about the growth of plants
                          > > > > without
                          > > > > > > use
                          > > > > > > > of chemical ferilisers and pesticides. In the current season I
                          > > have
                          > > > > my
                          > > > > > > > field
                          > > > > > > > in which plants are not given anything except water. The growth
                          > > of
                          > > > > the
                          > > > > > > rice
                          > > > > > > > plant is comparable to others' fields . I am waiting for the
                          > > > harvest
                          > > > > > > which
                          > > > > > > > could prove an eye-opener that plants need no chemicals .
                          > > > > > > > It is quite hard to make the farmers tide over their centuries'
                          > > old
                          > > > > > > mental
                          > > > > > > > block of tilling.
                          > > > > > > > After the harvest is over , I intend to demonstrate no till
                          > > farming
                          > > > > by
                          > > > > > > > actually doing this in my field. I hope at least a few ,if not
                          > > all
                          > > > > > ,turn
                          > > > > > > up
                          > > > > > > > to no till farming.
                          > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > Boovarahan S
                          > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 6:47 PM, Nandan Palaparambil
                          > > > > > > > <p_k_nandanan@... <p_k_nandanan%40yahoo.com
                          > ><p_k_nandanan%
                          > > 40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                          > > > 40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                          > > > > > 40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > > 40yahoo.com>>wrote:
                          > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > Experience no-till farmers should show case how this can be
                          > > done
                          > > > > > easily
                          > > > > > > > for
                          > > > > > > > > each region. Once conventional farmers know exactly what has
                          > to
                          > > > be
                          > > > > > done
                          > > > > > > > then
                          > > > > > > > > only people will move to this. Probably initially additional
                          > > > > mulching
                          > > > > > > has
                          > > > > > > > to
                          > > > > > > > > be done to achieve no-till farming, but the system should be
                          > > very
                          > > > > > clear
                          > > > > > > > and
                          > > > > > > > > cost should be affordable and yield should be satisfying.
                          > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > Regards,
                          > > > > > > > > Nandan
                          > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 1/6/11, Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...
                          > <offtown%40gmail.com>
                          > > <offtown%40gmail.com>
                          > > > > <offtown%40gmail.com>
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                          > > > > > > <offtown%40gmail.com>
                          > > > > > > > <offtown%40gmail.com>>
                          > > > > > > > > wrote:
                          > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > From: Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...<offtown%
                          > 40gmail.com>
                          > > <offtown%40gmail.com><offtown%
                          > > > > 40gmail.com><offtown%
                          > > > > > 40gmail.com><offtown%
                          > > > > > > 40gmail.com><offtown%
                          > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > 40gmail.com>>
                          > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                          > > > > > > > > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com<fukuoka_farming%
                          > 40yahoogroups.com>
                          > > <fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com>
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                          > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > 40yahoogroups.com>
                          > > > > > > > > Date: Thursday, January 6, 2011, 5:55 PM
                          > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > That study results are encouraging for no till farmers.
                          > > > > > > > > Hope the farming community throws out heavy machinery and
                          > land
                          > > > > > breaking
                          > > > > > > > > machines sooner than later.
                          > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > Boovarahan S
                          > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 5:15 PM, Raju Titus <
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                          > > > > > > > > wrote:
                          > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > Study: No-Till Farming Reduces Greenhouse Gas
                          > > > > > > > > > NPR
                          > > > > > > > > > A new study that suggests no-till farming, in which fields
                          > > are
                          > > > > left
                          > > > > > > > alone
                          > > > > > > > > > between harvest and planting, releases far smaller amounts
                          > of
                          > > a
                          > > > > > > potent
                          > > > > > > > > > greenhouse ...
                          > > > > > > > > > <
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                        • Raju Titus
                          http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/h7efnuDA3FPU671omOAjhA?feat=directlink Dear friend, Find answer in above link. Thanks Raju ... -- Raju Titus. Hoshangabad.
                          Message 12 of 24 , Jan 12, 2011
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                            http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/h7efnuDA3FPU671omOAjhA?feat=directlink
                            Dear friend,
                            Find answer in above link.
                            Thanks
                            Raju

                            On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 5:55 PM, Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...>wrote:

                            >
                            >
                            > Dear Raju sir,
                            >
                            > There is no second opinion that tilling is to be done way outright.
                            > The point is whether non chemical methods are necessary to boost the speed
                            > of establishing a healthy micro climate for the micro organisms to thrive
                            > in.
                            > As you have rightly said the low amount of cow dung available in the farms
                            > due to cattle grazing is enough to induce micro organisms to become active
                            > .
                            > I think that is what you are doing in your farm. Same is the case in
                            > forests
                            > where the cattle droppings serve the purpose. Of course there is no need of
                            > a catalyst in a forest.
                            > I think so much of fuss is made on making nitogen availability to the
                            > plants.
                            > After all more than 70 percent of air is occupied ny nitrogen and just a
                            > little of this is needed by the crops for their growth which is
                            > sufficiently
                            > provided by legume cover. The question is about the need of other nutrients
                            > besides nitrogen and the part of micro organisms in providing them to the
                            > plants.
                            >
                            > Hope I have understood right!.
                            >
                            > Regards.
                            >
                            > Boovarahan S
                            >
                            >
                            > On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 4:27 PM, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...<rajuktitus%40gmail.com>>
                            > wrote:
                            >
                            > > Dear Nandan,
                            > > I may be wrong please explain how you are saying that urea and urine base
                            > > fertilizers are not same ? Both are unnatural,used in nitrogen deficit
                            > soil
                            > > and nitrogen deficiency in the soil due to unnatural way of farming.
                            > > killing by Neem or Melathion is also same. Tilling and killing base
                            > > farming
                            > > methods are not organic(Live) or natural.
                            > > Raju
                            > >
                            > > On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 4:07 PM, Nandan Palaparambil <
                            > > p_k_nandanan@... <p_k_nandanan%40yahoo.com>
                            > > > wrote:
                            > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > > Dear Raju sir,
                            > > >
                            > > > I don't really get this.. "There is no difference in Chemical base urea
                            > > and
                            > > > man made urine base fertilizer".
                            > > >
                            > > > Also I don't find any problem in brnging biomass from other areas and
                            > > > feeding cows and giving cow dung and urine to smaller area where we
                            > > > cultivate. This is just about moving the fertility from one place to
                            > > > another.
                            > > >
                            > > > Agriculture has some artificiality connected with it, even replacing
                            > > > natural grown grass cover with legume cover is mono cropping in its
                            > true
                            > > > sense. But it looks like without these artificiality agriculture is not
                            > > > possible.
                            > > >
                            > > > Regards,
                            > > > Nandan
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > > --- On Wed, 1/12/11, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...<rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
                            > <rajuktitus%
                            >
                            > > 40gmail.com>>
                            > > > wrote:
                            > > >
                            > > > From: Raju Titus <rajuktitus@... <rajuktitus%40gmail.com><rajuktitus%
                            > 40gmail.com>>
                            > > > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                            > > > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com<fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%
                            > 40yahoogroups.com>
                            > > > Date: Wednesday, January 12, 2011, 12:19 PM
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > > Dear friend,
                            > > > Destructive effect is mainly by "Tilling" and killing and as soon as we
                            > > > stop
                            > > > killing and allow biodiversity to work land start showing result. There
                            > > is
                            > > > no difference in Chemical base urea and man made urine base fertilizer.
                            > > > Both
                            > > > reduces resistance power if uses as medicine. But Green cover is
                            > > harmless.
                            > > > It allow rain water to go in side the land, hold vapors for moisture
                            > and
                            > > > provide air,sun and shade for biodiversity to work. I am keeping milch
                            > > > animals giving back all crop residues,dung and urine to field. People
                            > > > thinking that instead of chemicals use of dung and urine is organic in
                            > > > tilled soil is wrong. Tilling is not organic process, It kills
                            > > biodiversity
                            > > > of the soil. People bringing lot of fodder from a big area for milch
                            > > > animals and give back dung and urine in a small piece of land is
                            > > > exploitation of bio mass. It does not mean that Fukuoka farming is
                            > > against
                            > > > of cow philosophy and anti organic but is a true way of organic farming
                            > > and
                            > > > true way of saving cow in India. Take example of my field i am keeping
                            > > > trees
                            > > > for fodder my animal herd is free grazing in this field dung and urine
                            > > is
                            > > > naturally going back in field. I am using bio gas plant some dung and
                            > > home
                            > > > waste with water going in to plant slurry goes in field.
                            > > > Thanks
                            > > > Raju
                            > > > On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 8:38 AM, Boovarahan Srinivasan <
                            > > offtown@... <offtown%40gmail.com><offtown%40gmail.com>
                            >
                            > > > >wrote:
                            > > >
                            > > > >
                            > > > >
                            > > > > Mulch cover is a must in natural farming but the point is how quick
                            > > > > mulching
                            > > > > alone could make the farm lively from the destructive effects of
                            > > previous
                            > > > > chemical farming. Or a short term use of a catalyst like cow dung /
                            > > urine
                            > > > /
                            > > > > animal wastes should be used for a limited period to hasten the
                            > process
                            > > ?
                            > > > >
                            > > > > Boovarahan S
                            > > > >
                            > > > >
                            > > > > On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 7:43 PM, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...<rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
                            > > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
                            > > > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>>
                            > > >
                            > > > > wrote:
                            > > > >
                            > > > > > Dear friend,
                            > > > > > For poor soil and fast recovery this is the best economical way.
                            > > > > > Parthenium,Hemp,subabul or other locally available ground cover
                            > crop
                            > > > can
                            > > > > > solve problem. Bringing compost from out side or making compost is
                            > > not
                            > > > > easy
                            > > > > > task and this will not so useful as cover crop.
                            > > > > > Thanks
                            > > > > > Raju
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 6:27 PM, Sumant Joshi <sumant_jo@...<sumant_jo%40yahoo.com>
                            > > <sumant_jo%40yahoo.com>
                            > > > <sumant_jo%40yahoo.com>>
                            > > >
                            > > > > wrote:
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > Thats true but what Nandan and others are trying to say is, if
                            > the
                            > > > soil
                            > > > > > is
                            > > > > > > very poor it will need some help in the beginning, to recover
                            > > > quickly.
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > Sent from my BSNL landline B-fone
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > Warm regards,
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > Sumant Joshi
                            > > > > > > Tel - 09370010424, 0253-2361161
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > --- On Tue, 11/1/11, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...<rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
                            > <rajuktitus%
                            > > 40gmail.com>
                            > > > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
                            > > > > <rajuktitus%
                            > > > >
                            > > > > > 40gmail.com>>
                            > > > > > > wrote:
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > From: Raju Titus <rajuktitus@... <rajuktitus%40gmail.com><rajuktitus%
                            > 40gmail.com
                            > > ><rajuktitus%
                            > > > 40gmail.com><rajuktitus%
                            > > > > 40gmail.com>>
                            > > > > > > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                            > > > > > > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com<fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com>
                            > <fukuoka_farming%
                            > > 40yahoogroups.com>
                            > > > <fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%
                            > > > > 40yahoogroups.com>
                            > > > > > > Date: Tuesday, 11 January, 2011, 12:22 PM
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > Dear friend,
                            > > > > > > Land means group of microbes, eggs of earth worms and many
                            > insects.
                            > > > If
                            > > > > > this
                            > > > > > > biodiversity gets proper environment by stopping tilling,
                            > providing
                            > > > > cover
                            > > > > > > of
                            > > > > > > green and straw there is no need of man made fertilizer. This
                            > > > > > biodiversity
                            > > > > > > multiply very fast and convert poor soil in to good soil.
                            > > > > > > Thanks
                            > > > > > > Raju
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 10:37 PM, Nandan Palaparambil <
                            > > > > > > p_k_nandanan@... <p_k_nandanan%40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                            > 40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                            > > > 40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                            > > >
                            > > > > 40yahoo.com>> wrote:
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > Dear Raju sir,
                            > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > It is very unlikely that land which is being cultivated using
                            > > > > chemicals
                            > > > > > > > have insects, microbes,earth worms etc. So challenge is to
                            > > convert
                            > > > > land
                            > > > > > > from
                            > > > > > > > chemical based agriculture to natural farming without much loss
                            > > for
                            > > > > the
                            > > > > > > > farmers. To achieve this while converting itself, we may have
                            > to
                            > > > give
                            > > > > > > some
                            > > > > > > > additional inputs like cow dung, compost etc..so that land
                            > > recover
                            > > > > > > quickly
                            > > > > > > > and once it is recovered we need not give any additional
                            > inputs.
                            > > I
                            > > > > > > remember
                            > > > > > > > there is a mention of the same in 'One straw revolution' that
                            > > > > > initially
                            > > > > > > we
                            > > > > > > > may have to do weeding, apply compost etc..but slowly this can
                            > be
                            > > > > > > reduced.
                            > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > Probably in your book you can give your own experiences of
                            > > > converting
                            > > > > > > land
                            > > > > > > > to natural farming..as many examples as possible and with a
                            > > stress
                            > > > to
                            > > > > > the
                            > > > > > > > failures..
                            > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > Regards,
                            > > > > > > > Nandan
                            > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/8/11, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...<rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
                            > <rajuktitus%
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                            > > > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
                            > > > > <rajuktitus%
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                            > > > > > > > wrote:
                            > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > From: Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...<rajuktitus%40gmail.com><rajuktitus%
                            > 40gmail.com
                            > > ><rajuktitus%
                            > > > 40gmail.com><rajuktitus%
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                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                            > > > > > > > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com<fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com>
                            > <fukuoka_farming%
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                            > > > > > ><fukuoka_farming%
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                            > > > > > > > Date: Saturday, January 8, 2011, 12:13 PM
                            > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > Dear Nandan,
                            > > > > > > > I was also thinking same but now i found that if land is live
                            > > > having
                            > > > > > > > microbes,worms,insects and small animals like rats, reptiles
                            > etc.
                            > > > can
                            > > > > > be
                            > > > > > > > converted in to natural with in a season by providing
                            > sufficient
                            > > > > green
                            > > > > > > > cover
                            > > > > > > > + dry mulch. Because these things convert land into
                            > pourus,moist
                            > > > and
                            > > > > > > > fertile
                            > > > > > > > quickly better than any means. Tilling remove all these things
                            > > > > > therefore
                            > > > > > > > land become poor but as soon as you stop tilling and provide
                            > > shade
                            > > > of
                            > > > > > > > ground
                            > > > > > > > cover all these things come and start work. Water holding
                            > > capacity,
                            > > > > > > > fertility and porosity is directly related with the presence of
                            > > > > > organism
                            > > > > > > in
                            > > > > > > > the soil.
                            > > > > > > > Thanks
                            > > > > > > > Raju
                            > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 11:05 PM, Nandan Palaparambil <
                            > > > > > > > p_k_nandanan@... <p_k_nandanan%40yahoo.com><p_k_nandanan%
                            > 40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                            > > > 40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                            > > > > 40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                            > > > >
                            > > > > > > 40yahoo.com>
                            > > > > > > > > wrote:
                            > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > Yes, at least some people will understand the no-tilling on
                            > > > seeing
                            > > > > > the
                            > > > > > > > > results.
                            > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > But if the land was cultivated with chemicals earlier and
                            > > > suddenly
                            > > > > > when
                            > > > > > > > you
                            > > > > > > > > move to no-till natural farming, there may be some surprises.
                            > > It
                            > > > > take
                            > > > > > > at
                            > > > > > > > > least a few years to make the land respond to no-till natural
                            > > > > > farming.
                            > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > Regards,
                            > > > > > > > > Nandan
                            > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 1/7/11, Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...<offtown%40gmail.com>
                            > > <offtown%40gmail.com>
                            > > > <offtown%40gmail.com>
                            > > > > > <offtown%40gmail.com>
                            > > > > > > <offtown%40gmail.com>
                            > > > > > > > <offtown%40gmail.com>>
                            > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > wrote:
                            > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > From: Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...<offtown%40gmail.com>
                            > <offtown%
                            > > 40gmail.com>
                            > > > <offtown%40gmail.com><offtown%
                            > > > > 40gmail.com
                            > > > > > ><offtown%
                            > > > > > > 40gmail.com><offtown%
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                            > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                            > > > > > > > > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com<fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com>
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                            > > > > > > > > Date: Friday, January 7, 2011, 6:10 PM
                            > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > Hi !
                            > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > When I tried to interact with local farmers ,all started to
                            > > laugh
                            > > > > at
                            > > > > > me
                            > > > > > > > > about the idea of non-tilling.
                            > > > > > > > > People are hell bent on the notion that land must be tilled
                            > and
                            > > > > > > anything
                            > > > > > > > we
                            > > > > > > > > say against it falls on deaf ears.
                            > > > > > > > > That'swhy I have taken up a practical way of demonstrating no
                            > > > till
                            > > > > > > > farming.
                            > > > > > > > > As on date our farmers are sceptical about the growth of
                            > plants
                            > > > > > without
                            > > > > > > > use
                            > > > > > > > > of chemical ferilisers and pesticides. In the current season
                            > I
                            > > > have
                            > > > > > my
                            > > > > > > > > field
                            > > > > > > > > in which plants are not given anything except water. The
                            > growth
                            > > > of
                            > > > > > the
                            > > > > > > > rice
                            > > > > > > > > plant is comparable to others' fields . I am waiting for the
                            > > > > harvest
                            > > > > > > > which
                            > > > > > > > > could prove an eye-opener that plants need no chemicals .
                            > > > > > > > > It is quite hard to make the farmers tide over their
                            > centuries'
                            > > > old
                            > > > > > > > mental
                            > > > > > > > > block of tilling.
                            > > > > > > > > After the harvest is over , I intend to demonstrate no till
                            > > > farming
                            > > > > > by
                            > > > > > > > > actually doing this in my field. I hope at least a few ,if
                            > not
                            > > > all
                            > > > > > > ,turn
                            > > > > > > > up
                            > > > > > > > > to no till farming.
                            > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > Boovarahan S
                            > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 6:47 PM, Nandan Palaparambil
                            > > > > > > > > <p_k_nandanan@... <p_k_nandanan%40yahoo.com><p_k_nandanan%
                            > 40yahoo.com
                            > > ><p_k_nandanan%
                            > > > 40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                            > > > > 40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                            > > > > > > 40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > 40yahoo.com>>wrote:
                            > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > Experience no-till farmers should show case how this can be
                            > > > done
                            > > > > > > easily
                            > > > > > > > > for
                            > > > > > > > > > each region. Once conventional farmers know exactly what
                            > has
                            > > to
                            > > > > be
                            > > > > > > done
                            > > > > > > > > then
                            > > > > > > > > > only people will move to this. Probably initially
                            > additional
                            > > > > > mulching
                            > > > > > > > has
                            > > > > > > > > to
                            > > > > > > > > > be done to achieve no-till farming, but the system should
                            > be
                            > > > very
                            > > > > > > clear
                            > > > > > > > > and
                            > > > > > > > > > cost should be affordable and yield should be satisfying.
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > Regards,
                            > > > > > > > > > Nandan
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 1/6/11, Boovarahan Srinivasan <
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                            > > > > > > > > > From: Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...<offtown%40gmail.com>
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                            > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
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                            > > > > > > > > > Date: Thursday, January 6, 2011, 5:55 PM
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > That study results are encouraging for no till farmers.
                            > > > > > > > > > Hope the farming community throws out heavy machinery and
                            > > land
                            > > > > > > breaking
                            > > > > > > > > > machines sooner than later.
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > Boovarahan S
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 5:15 PM, Raju Titus <
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                            > > > > > > > > > wrote:
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > > Study: No-Till Farming Reduces Greenhouse Gas
                            > > > > > > > > > > NPR
                            > > > > > > > > > > A new study that suggests no-till farming, in which
                            > fields
                            > > > are
                            > > > > > left
                            > > > > > > > > alone
                            > > > > > > > > > > between harvest and planting, releases far smaller
                            > amounts
                            > > of
                            > > > a
                            > > > > > > > potent
                            > > > > > > > > > > greenhouse ...
                            > > > > > > > > > > <
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                            > > > > > > > > > >
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                          • Boovarahan Srinivasan
                            That puts to rest all my doubts. However I am afraid of the ad effects of Parthenium and would go for some other alternate. Boovarahan S ... [Non-text portions
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                              That puts to rest all my doubts.
                              However I am afraid of the ad effects of Parthenium and would go for some
                              other alternate.

                              Boovarahan S

                              On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 7:41 PM, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...> wrote:

                              > http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/h7efnuDA3FPU671omOAjhA?feat=directlink
                              > Dear friend,
                              > Find answer in above link.
                              > Thanks
                              > Raju
                              >
                              > On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 5:55 PM, Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...
                              > >wrote:
                              >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > > Dear Raju sir,
                              > >
                              > > There is no second opinion that tilling is to be done way outright.
                              > > The point is whether non chemical methods are necessary to boost the
                              > speed
                              > > of establishing a healthy micro climate for the micro organisms to thrive
                              > > in.
                              > > As you have rightly said the low amount of cow dung available in the
                              > farms
                              > > due to cattle grazing is enough to induce micro organisms to become
                              > active
                              > > .
                              > > I think that is what you are doing in your farm. Same is the case in
                              > > forests
                              > > where the cattle droppings serve the purpose. Of course there is no need
                              > of
                              > > a catalyst in a forest.
                              > > I think so much of fuss is made on making nitogen availability to the
                              > > plants.
                              > > After all more than 70 percent of air is occupied ny nitrogen and just a
                              > > little of this is needed by the crops for their growth which is
                              > > sufficiently
                              > > provided by legume cover. The question is about the need of other
                              > nutrients
                              > > besides nitrogen and the part of micro organisms in providing them to the
                              > > plants.
                              > >
                              > > Hope I have understood right!.
                              > >
                              > > Regards.
                              > >
                              > > Boovarahan S
                              > >
                              > >
                              > > On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 4:27 PM, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...
                              > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>>
                              > > wrote:
                              > >
                              > > > Dear Nandan,
                              > > > I may be wrong please explain how you are saying that urea and urine
                              > base
                              > > > fertilizers are not same ? Both are unnatural,used in nitrogen deficit
                              > > soil
                              > > > and nitrogen deficiency in the soil due to unnatural way of farming.
                              > > > killing by Neem or Melathion is also same. Tilling and killing base
                              > > > farming
                              > > > methods are not organic(Live) or natural.
                              > > > Raju
                              > > >
                              > > > On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 4:07 PM, Nandan Palaparambil <
                              > > > p_k_nandanan@... <p_k_nandanan%40yahoo.com>
                              > > > > wrote:
                              > > >
                              > > > >
                              > > > >
                              > > > > Dear Raju sir,
                              > > > >
                              > > > > I don't really get this.. "There is no difference in Chemical base
                              > urea
                              > > > and
                              > > > > man made urine base fertilizer".
                              > > > >
                              > > > > Also I don't find any problem in brnging biomass from other areas and
                              > > > > feeding cows and giving cow dung and urine to smaller area where we
                              > > > > cultivate. This is just about moving the fertility from one place to
                              > > > > another.
                              > > > >
                              > > > > Agriculture has some artificiality connected with it, even replacing
                              > > > > natural grown grass cover with legume cover is mono cropping in its
                              > > true
                              > > > > sense. But it looks like without these artificiality agriculture is
                              > not
                              > > > > possible.
                              > > > >
                              > > > > Regards,
                              > > > > Nandan
                              > > > >
                              > > > >
                              > > > > --- On Wed, 1/12/11, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...<rajuktitus%
                              > 40gmail.com>
                              > > <rajuktitus%
                              > >
                              > > > 40gmail.com>>
                              > > > > wrote:
                              > > > >
                              > > > > From: Raju Titus <rajuktitus@... <rajuktitus%40gmail.com
                              > ><rajuktitus%
                              > > 40gmail.com>>
                              > > > > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                              > > > > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com<fukuoka_farming%
                              > 40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%
                              > > 40yahoogroups.com>
                              > > > > Date: Wednesday, January 12, 2011, 12:19 PM
                              > > > >
                              > > > >
                              > > > > Dear friend,
                              > > > > Destructive effect is mainly by "Tilling" and killing and as soon as
                              > we
                              > > > > stop
                              > > > > killing and allow biodiversity to work land start showing result.
                              > There
                              > > > is
                              > > > > no difference in Chemical base urea and man made urine base
                              > fertilizer.
                              > > > > Both
                              > > > > reduces resistance power if uses as medicine. But Green cover is
                              > > > harmless.
                              > > > > It allow rain water to go in side the land, hold vapors for moisture
                              > > and
                              > > > > provide air,sun and shade for biodiversity to work. I am keeping
                              > milch
                              > > > > animals giving back all crop residues,dung and urine to field. People
                              > > > > thinking that instead of chemicals use of dung and urine is organic
                              > in
                              > > > > tilled soil is wrong. Tilling is not organic process, It kills
                              > > > biodiversity
                              > > > > of the soil. People bringing lot of fodder from a big area for milch
                              > > > > animals and give back dung and urine in a small piece of land is
                              > > > > exploitation of bio mass. It does not mean that Fukuoka farming is
                              > > > against
                              > > > > of cow philosophy and anti organic but is a true way of organic
                              > farming
                              > > > and
                              > > > > true way of saving cow in India. Take example of my field i am
                              > keeping
                              > > > > trees
                              > > > > for fodder my animal herd is free grazing in this field dung and
                              > urine
                              > > > is
                              > > > > naturally going back in field. I am using bio gas plant some dung and
                              > > > home
                              > > > > waste with water going in to plant slurry goes in field.
                              > > > > Thanks
                              > > > > Raju
                              > > > > On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 8:38 AM, Boovarahan Srinivasan <
                              > > > offtown@... <offtown%40gmail.com><offtown%40gmail.com>
                              > >
                              > > > > >wrote:
                              > > > >
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > Mulch cover is a must in natural farming but the point is how quick
                              > > > > > mulching
                              > > > > > alone could make the farm lively from the destructive effects of
                              > > > previous
                              > > > > > chemical farming. Or a short term use of a catalyst like cow dung /
                              > > > urine
                              > > > > /
                              > > > > > animal wastes should be used for a limited period to hasten the
                              > > process
                              > > > ?
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > Boovarahan S
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 7:43 PM, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...
                              > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
                              > > > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
                              > > > > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>>
                              > > > >
                              > > > > > wrote:
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > > Dear friend,
                              > > > > > > For poor soil and fast recovery this is the best economical way.
                              > > > > > > Parthenium,Hemp,subabul or other locally available ground cover
                              > > crop
                              > > > > can
                              > > > > > > solve problem. Bringing compost from out side or making compost
                              > is
                              > > > not
                              > > > > > easy
                              > > > > > > task and this will not so useful as cover crop.
                              > > > > > > Thanks
                              > > > > > > Raju
                              > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 6:27 PM, Sumant Joshi <
                              > sumant_jo@...<sumant_jo%40yahoo.com>
                              > > > <sumant_jo%40yahoo.com>
                              > > > > <sumant_jo%40yahoo.com>>
                              > > > >
                              > > > > > wrote:
                              > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > Thats true but what Nandan and others are trying to say is, if
                              > > the
                              > > > > soil
                              > > > > > > is
                              > > > > > > > very poor it will need some help in the beginning, to recover
                              > > > > quickly.
                              > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > Sent from my BSNL landline B-fone
                              > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > Warm regards,
                              > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > Sumant Joshi
                              > > > > > > > Tel - 09370010424, 0253-2361161
                              > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 11/1/11, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...
                              > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
                              > > <rajuktitus%
                              > > > 40gmail.com>
                              > > > > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
                              > > > > > <rajuktitus%
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > > 40gmail.com>>
                              > > > > > > > wrote:
                              > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > From: Raju Titus <rajuktitus@... <rajuktitus%40gmail.com
                              > ><rajuktitus%
                              > > 40gmail.com
                              > > > ><rajuktitus%
                              > > > > 40gmail.com><rajuktitus%
                              > > > > > 40gmail.com>>
                              > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                              > > > > > > > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com<fukuoka_farming%
                              > 40yahoogroups.com>
                              > > <fukuoka_farming%
                              > > > 40yahoogroups.com>
                              > > > > <fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%
                              > > > > > 40yahoogroups.com>
                              > > > > > > > Date: Tuesday, 11 January, 2011, 12:22 PM
                              > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > Dear friend,
                              > > > > > > > Land means group of microbes, eggs of earth worms and many
                              > > insects.
                              > > > > If
                              > > > > > > this
                              > > > > > > > biodiversity gets proper environment by stopping tilling,
                              > > providing
                              > > > > > cover
                              > > > > > > > of
                              > > > > > > > green and straw there is no need of man made fertilizer. This
                              > > > > > > biodiversity
                              > > > > > > > multiply very fast and convert poor soil in to good soil.
                              > > > > > > > Thanks
                              > > > > > > > Raju
                              > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 10:37 PM, Nandan Palaparambil <
                              > > > > > > > p_k_nandanan@... <p_k_nandanan%40yahoo.com>
                              > <p_k_nandanan%
                              > > 40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                              > > > > 40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                              > > > >
                              > > > > > 40yahoo.com>> wrote:
                              > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > Dear Raju sir,
                              > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > It is very unlikely that land which is being cultivated using
                              > > > > > chemicals
                              > > > > > > > > have insects, microbes,earth worms etc. So challenge is to
                              > > > convert
                              > > > > > land
                              > > > > > > > from
                              > > > > > > > > chemical based agriculture to natural farming without much
                              > loss
                              > > > for
                              > > > > > the
                              > > > > > > > > farmers. To achieve this while converting itself, we may have
                              > > to
                              > > > > give
                              > > > > > > > some
                              > > > > > > > > additional inputs like cow dung, compost etc..so that land
                              > > > recover
                              > > > > > > > quickly
                              > > > > > > > > and once it is recovered we need not give any additional
                              > > inputs.
                              > > > I
                              > > > > > > > remember
                              > > > > > > > > there is a mention of the same in 'One straw revolution' that
                              > > > > > > initially
                              > > > > > > > we
                              > > > > > > > > may have to do weeding, apply compost etc..but slowly this
                              > can
                              > > be
                              > > > > > > > reduced.
                              > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > Probably in your book you can give your own experiences of
                              > > > > converting
                              > > > > > > > land
                              > > > > > > > > to natural farming..as many examples as possible and with a
                              > > > stress
                              > > > > to
                              > > > > > > the
                              > > > > > > > > failures..
                              > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > Regards,
                              > > > > > > > > Nandan
                              > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/8/11, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...
                              > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
                              > > <rajuktitus%
                              > > > 40gmail.com>
                              > > > > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
                              > > > > > <rajuktitus%
                              > > > > > > 40gmail.com>
                              > > > > > > > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>>
                              > > > > > > > > wrote:
                              > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > From: Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...<rajuktitus%
                              > 40gmail.com><rajuktitus%
                              > > 40gmail.com
                              > > > ><rajuktitus%
                              > > > > 40gmail.com><rajuktitus%
                              > > > > > 40gmail.com
                              > > > > > > ><rajuktitus%
                              > > > > > > > 40gmail.com>>
                              > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                              > > > > > > > > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com<fukuoka_farming%
                              > 40yahoogroups.com>
                              > > <fukuoka_farming%
                              > > > 40yahoogroups.com>
                              > > > > <fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%
                              > > > > > 40yahoogroups.com
                              > > > > > > ><fukuoka_farming%
                              > > > > > > > 40yahoogroups.com>
                              > > > > > > > > Date: Saturday, January 8, 2011, 12:13 PM
                              > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > Dear Nandan,
                              > > > > > > > > I was also thinking same but now i found that if land is live
                              > > > > having
                              > > > > > > > > microbes,worms,insects and small animals like rats, reptiles
                              > > etc.
                              > > > > can
                              > > > > > > be
                              > > > > > > > > converted in to natural with in a season by providing
                              > > sufficient
                              > > > > > green
                              > > > > > > > > cover
                              > > > > > > > > + dry mulch. Because these things convert land into
                              > > pourus,moist
                              > > > > and
                              > > > > > > > > fertile
                              > > > > > > > > quickly better than any means. Tilling remove all these
                              > things
                              > > > > > > therefore
                              > > > > > > > > land become poor but as soon as you stop tilling and provide
                              > > > shade
                              > > > > of
                              > > > > > > > > ground
                              > > > > > > > > cover all these things come and start work. Water holding
                              > > > capacity,
                              > > > > > > > > fertility and porosity is directly related with the presence
                              > of
                              > > > > > > organism
                              > > > > > > > in
                              > > > > > > > > the soil.
                              > > > > > > > > Thanks
                              > > > > > > > > Raju
                              > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 11:05 PM, Nandan Palaparambil <
                              > > > > > > > > p_k_nandanan@... <p_k_nandanan%40yahoo.com
                              > ><p_k_nandanan%
                              > > 40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                              > > > > 40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                              > > > > > 40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > 40yahoo.com>
                              > > > > > > > > > wrote:
                              > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > Yes, at least some people will understand the no-tilling on
                              > > > > seeing
                              > > > > > > the
                              > > > > > > > > > results.
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > But if the land was cultivated with chemicals earlier and
                              > > > > suddenly
                              > > > > > > when
                              > > > > > > > > you
                              > > > > > > > > > move to no-till natural farming, there may be some
                              > surprises.
                              > > > It
                              > > > > > take
                              > > > > > > > at
                              > > > > > > > > > least a few years to make the land respond to no-till
                              > natural
                              > > > > > > farming.
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > Regards,
                              > > > > > > > > > Nandan
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 1/7/11, Boovarahan Srinivasan <
                              > offtown@...<offtown%40gmail.com>
                              > > > <offtown%40gmail.com>
                              > > > > <offtown%40gmail.com>
                              > > > > > > <offtown%40gmail.com>
                              > > > > > > > <offtown%40gmail.com>
                              > > > > > > > > <offtown%40gmail.com>>
                              > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > wrote:
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > From: Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...<offtown%
                              > 40gmail.com>
                              > > <offtown%
                              > > > 40gmail.com>
                              > > > > <offtown%40gmail.com><offtown%
                              > > > > > 40gmail.com
                              > > > > > > ><offtown%
                              > > > > > > > 40gmail.com><offtown%
                              > > > > > > > > 40gmail.com>>
                              > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                              > > > > > > > > > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com<fukuoka_farming%
                              > 40yahoogroups.com>
                              > > <fukuoka_farming%
                              > > > 40yahoogroups.com>
                              > > > > <fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com>
                              > > > > > <fukuoka_farming%
                              > > > > > > 40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%
                              > > > > > > > 40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%
                              > > > > > > > > 40yahoogroups.com>
                              > > > > > > > > > Date: Friday, January 7, 2011, 6:10 PM
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > Hi !
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > When I tried to interact with local farmers ,all started to
                              > > > laugh
                              > > > > > at
                              > > > > > > me
                              > > > > > > > > > about the idea of non-tilling.
                              > > > > > > > > > People are hell bent on the notion that land must be tilled
                              > > and
                              > > > > > > > anything
                              > > > > > > > > we
                              > > > > > > > > > say against it falls on deaf ears.
                              > > > > > > > > > That'swhy I have taken up a practical way of demonstrating
                              > no
                              > > > > till
                              > > > > > > > > farming.
                              > > > > > > > > > As on date our farmers are sceptical about the growth of
                              > > plants
                              > > > > > > without
                              > > > > > > > > use
                              > > > > > > > > > of chemical ferilisers and pesticides. In the current
                              > season
                              > > I
                              > > > > have
                              > > > > > > my
                              > > > > > > > > > field
                              > > > > > > > > > in which plants are not given anything except water. The
                              > > growth
                              > > > > of
                              > > > > > > the
                              > > > > > > > > rice
                              > > > > > > > > > plant is comparable to others' fields . I am waiting for
                              > the
                              > > > > > harvest
                              > > > > > > > > which
                              > > > > > > > > > could prove an eye-opener that plants need no chemicals .
                              > > > > > > > > > It is quite hard to make the farmers tide over their
                              > > centuries'
                              > > > > old
                              > > > > > > > > mental
                              > > > > > > > > > block of tilling.
                              > > > > > > > > > After the harvest is over , I intend to demonstrate no till
                              > > > > farming
                              > > > > > > by
                              > > > > > > > > > actually doing this in my field. I hope at least a few ,if
                              > > not
                              > > > > all
                              > > > > > > > ,turn
                              > > > > > > > > up
                              > > > > > > > > > to no till farming.
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > Boovarahan S
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 6:47 PM, Nandan Palaparambil
                              > > > > > > > > > <p_k_nandanan@... <p_k_nandanan%40yahoo.com
                              > ><p_k_nandanan%
                              > > 40yahoo.com
                              > > > ><p_k_nandanan%
                              > > > > 40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                              > > > > > 40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                              > > > > > > > 40yahoo.com> <p_k_nandanan%
                              > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > 40yahoo.com>>wrote:
                              > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > > Experience no-till farmers should show case how this can
                              > be
                              > > > > done
                              > > > > > > > easily
                              > > > > > > > > > for
                              > > > > > > > > > > each region. Once conventional farmers know exactly what
                              > > has
                              > > > to
                              > > > > > be
                              > > > > > > > done
                              > > > > > > > > > then
                              > > > > > > > > > > only people will move to this. Probably initially
                              > > additional
                              > > > > > > mulching
                              > > > > > > > > has
                              > > > > > > > > > to
                              > > > > > > > > > > be done to achieve no-till farming, but the system should
                              > > be
                              > > > > very
                              > > > > > > > clear
                              > > > > > > > > > and
                              > > > > > > > > > > cost should be affordable and yield should be satisfying.
                              > > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > > Regards,
                              > > > > > > > > > > Nandan
                              > > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 1/6/11, Boovarahan Srinivasan <
                              > > offtown@... <offtown%40gmail.com>
                              > > > <offtown%40gmail.com>
                              > > > > <offtown%40gmail.com>
                              > > > > > > <offtown%40gmail.com>
                              > > > > > > > <offtown%40gmail.com>
                              > > > > > > > > <offtown%40gmail.com>
                              > > > > > > > > > <offtown%40gmail.com>>
                              > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
                              > > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > > From: Boovarahan Srinivasan <offtown@...<offtown%
                              > 40gmail.com>
                              > > <offtown%
                              > > > 40gmail.com>
                              > > > > <offtown%40gmail.com><offtown%
                              > > > > > > 40gmail.com><offtown%
                              > > > > > > > 40gmail.com><offtown%
                              > > > > > > > > 40gmail.com><offtown%
                              > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > 40gmail.com>>
                              > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No-Till Farming
                              > > > > > > > > > > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com<fukuoka_farming%
                              > 40yahoogroups.com>
                              > > <fukuoka_farming%
                              > > > 40yahoogroups.com>
                              > > > > <fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com>
                              > > > > > <fukuoka_farming%
                              > > > > > > 40yahoogroups.com>
                              > > > > > > > <fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%
                              > > > > > > > > 40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%
                              > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > 40yahoogroups.com>
                              > > > > > > > > > > Date: Thursday, January 6, 2011, 5:55 PM
                              > > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > > That study results are encouraging for no till farmers.
                              > > > > > > > > > > Hope the farming community throws out heavy machinery and
                              > > > land
                              > > > > > > > breaking
                              > > > > > > > > > > machines sooner than later.
                              > > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > > Boovarahan S
                              > > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 5:15 PM, Raju Titus <
                              > > > > rajuktitus@... <rajuktitus%40gmail.com> <rajuktitus%
                              > 40gmail.com
                              > > ><rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
                              > > > > > > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
                              > > > > > > > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
                              > > > > > > > > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>
                              > > > > > > > > > <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>>
                              > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
                              > > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > > >
                              > > > > > > > > > > > Study: No-Till Farming Reduces Greenhouse Gas
                              > > > > > > > > > > > NPR
                              > > > > > > > > > > > A new study that suggests no-till farming, in which
                              > > fields
                              > > > > are
                              > > > > > > left
                              > > > > > > > > > alone
                              > > > > > > > > > > > between harvest and planting, releases far smaller
                              > > amounts
                              > > > of
                              > > > > a
                              > > > > > > > > potent
                              > > > > > > > > > > > greenhouse ...
                              > > > > > > > > > > > <
                              > > > > > http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=132669531>
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