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  • Ohkubo-Covert
    Dear Yugandhar, Thank you very much for your reply. Yes, I too feel that I was very lucky (and honored) indeed to have been able to allowed to spend a couple
    Message 1 of 16 , Aug 24, 2010
      Dear Yugandhar,

      Thank you very much for your reply.

      Yes, I too feel that I was very lucky (and honored) indeed to have
      been able to allowed to spend a couple days at the Fukuoka Farms here
      in Japan. It was a once-in-a-lifetime chance.
      > I am saying this because, some earlier e-mails on this group
      > seeking the whereabouts of Fukuoka's farm and clarification about
      > his son's
      > supposed adoption of organic methods on the farm, were unanswered.
      >

      I had a chance briefly to meet Masato, the son of the elder Fukuoka,
      who came to greet me on my arrival there, but didn't have any time to
      talk since he seemed very busy.

      I'm not sure if the language barrier has anything to do with the lack
      of communication or information about the above matters you
      mentioned, but perhaps that could be one factor. I spoke only
      Japanese with the folks at Fukuoka Farms, and for someone who doesn't
      speak Japanese, it might be difficult to find out exactly what's
      going on there.

      All the Fukuoka Farms people knew, of course, that Fukuoka's original
      book *Wara Ippon no Kakumei* has been translated worldwide, including
      into the English-language title "The One-Straw Revolution". What
      surprised me a bit, though, was that the Fukuoka Farms people didn't
      know Fukuoka's original Japanese versions of "The Natural Way of
      Farming" and "The Road Back to Nature" had been translated as well.
      They were surprised to hear that.

      I got the impression somehow that even with the steady stream of
      Japanese and foreign visitors to the farm, there was still something
      of an information gap between the folks at the Fukuoka Farms and the
      "outside world". That could be due to the language barrier, as I
      said, but probably due more so to the fact that they are always busy
      planting and harvesting the crops just as Fukuoka did! So again,
      perhaps understandable to some degree about the lack of clear
      information coming through.

      Since the three photos I attached didn't make it to this list, let me
      give you my homepage address where you can find a few more photos I
      took of the citrus orchards on the hillsides of the Fukuoka Farms.
      Also included are a few photos of a daylong "eco-event" held not far
      away from the Fukuoka Farms that same weekend in downtown Matsuyama
      city called "Live Earth". (Sorry, all text is in Japanese.)

      > http://web.mac.com/inochi4/iWeb/1F8F7626-
      > FC96-4B58-9970-595A3C47263D/photos.html


      Enjoy,

      Brian Ohkubo Covert
      Kawanishi, Hyogo, Japan



      On 2010/08/24, at 21:56, Yugandhar S wrote:

      >
      > Dear Brian,
      > It is really heartening to know that Fukuoka's legacy is still
      > alive today
      > on his farm. I am saying this because, some earlier e-mails on this
      > group
      > seeking the whereabouts of Fukuoka's farm and clarification about
      > his son's
      > supposed adoption of organic methods on the farm, were unanswered.
      >
      > You are one of those few lucky ones who could make to his farm. I am
      > currently content with my visit to two of the most successful
      > natural farms
      > of India, belonging to veterans Sri Raju Titus and Sri Kailash
      > murthy, and
      > few other excellent farms.
      >
      > Unfortunately, I am unable to see any attachments of photos with
      > your email.
      > Please do share them.
      >
      > Best Regards
      > Yugandhar
      >
      > 2010/8/24 Ohkubo-Covert <inochi4@...>
      >
      > >
      > >
      > > Hello,
      > >
      > > Thanks very much for sharing the stories of Masanobu Fukuoka's visit
      > > to India some years ago. It is very heartwarming and inspiring to
      > read.
      > >
      > > I have seen some of Fukuoka's visit to India as it appeared on a
      > > Japanese video documentary, and indeed Fukuoka appeared impressed
      > > with what he was seeing on Indian farms.
      > >
      > > Just to let our fellow list members in India and beyond know: I had
      > > the chance to visit the Fukuoka Farms on the Japanese island of
      > > Shikoku during this summer, and it too was inspiring. More than just
      > > a visit, it felt like a kind of sacred pilgrimage to me.
      > >
      > > I'm including a couple photos I took of the *ama-natsu" citrus fruit
      > > orchards located on the hillsides of the Fukuoka Farms. I spent a
      > > couple of days at the farm, picking and hauling those fruits \ a
      > task
      > > that would be hard work on level ground but is even tougher
      > > considering that the orchards are all located on steep hillsides.
      > >
      > > The photos don't begin to show how beautiful and healthy the citrus
      > > fruits looked. They were so ripe that they were literally dropping
      > > off the trees as we were harvesting them. In one scene across the
      > > valley, you can see that some Japanese farmers are still doing it
      > the
      > > conventional way and apparently have not yet adopted Fukuoka's
      > > successful methods.
      > >
      > > According to some of the Japanese staff of Fukuoka Farms that I
      > > talked with, the local Japanese farmers for years were "suspicious"
      > > of Fukuoka and withheld their support of what he was trying to do
      > > with his natural farming philosophy and methods. Now, they say,
      > > Fukuoka's ideas are more accepted by the local farmers and Fukuoka
      > > Farms gets support from the local farmers' cooperatives. But it
      > > apparently took a long time for it to get that way.
      > >
      > > Fukuoka Farms continues to use the straw covering for their crops
      > > (which I saw there) but they said that they no longer use the seed
      > > balls. That seemed to have stopped after Fukuoka passed away, if not
      > > before.
      > >
      > > In addition to the citrus fruits, while I was there Fukuoka Farms
      > was
      > > also growing lemons, kiwi fruits and mushrooms, all of which I
      > helped
      > > package and prepare for shipping. They were all beautiful and
      > healthy
      > > looking.
      > >
      > > I took a few things from my own home garden in Japan and left them
      > > behind in the hillsides of Fukuoka's citrus orchards, so that
      > part of
      > > me will always be there. The one thing that really struck me as I
      > > stood atop the hills that Fukuoka once worked with his own hands for
      > > many years was that his spirit very much remains alive there. I
      > could
      > > feel his strong presence somehow looking out over the valley.
      > >
      > > I also had a chance to go over to the shady pagoda that he and other
      > > foreign visitors helped build some years back. It looked a bit
      > out of
      > > use, but was just as strong and sturdy as when it was first built. A
      > > photo of that is included here. Fukuoka always seemed to take
      > special
      > > pride in this handmade structure, built without the convenience of
      > > modern tools and equipment.
      > >
      > > It seems that the folks at Fukuoka Farms still get a steady
      > stream of
      > > visitors from all around Japan and the world, which is incredible
      > > when you think about it. My impression is that some of the Japanese
      > > staff seemed a bit tired of having to take care of all the
      > foreigners
      > > passing through, but perhaps that's understandable.
      > >
      > > Anyway, I just wanted to share a few of my own thoughts about
      > > Masanobu Fukuoka and his legacy, which I was so deeply touched to
      > > find is alive and well and living on the hillsides near Matsuyama,
      > > Japan.
      > >
      > > Warm regards,
      > >
      > > Brian Ohkubo Covert
      > > Kawanishi, Hyogo, Japan
      > >
      > >
      >
    • Sumant Joshi
      After a little hunting around I found the pictures here: http://web.mac.com/inochi4/iWeb/1F8F7626-FC96-4B58-9970-595A3C47263D/photos.html Warm regards, Sumant
      Message 2 of 16 , Aug 25, 2010
        After a little hunting around I found the pictures here:
        http://web.mac.com/inochi4/iWeb/1F8F7626-FC96-4B58-9970-595A3C47263D/photos.html


        Warm regards,

        Sumant Joshi

        --- On Wed, 25/8/10, Ohkubo-Covert <inochi4@...> wrote:

        From: Ohkubo-Covert <inochi4@...>
        Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] Re: VISIT OF FUKUOKA 1988 / Visit to Fukuoka Farms
        To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com
        Date: Wednesday, 25 August, 2010, 10:41 AM
















         













        Dear Yugandhar,



        Thank you very much for your reply.



        Yes, I too feel that I was very lucky (and honored) indeed to have

        been able to allowed to spend a couple days at the Fukuoka Farms here

        in Japan. It was a once-in-a-lifetime chance.

        > I am saying this because, some earlier e-mails on this group

        > seeking the whereabouts of Fukuoka's farm and clarification about

        > his son's

        > supposed adoption of organic methods on the farm, were unanswered.

        >



        I had a chance briefly to meet Masato, the son of the elder Fukuoka,

        who came to greet me on my arrival there, but didn't have any time to

        talk since he seemed very busy.



        I'm not sure if the language barrier has anything to do with the lack

        of communication or information about the above matters you

        mentioned, but perhaps that could be one factor. I spoke only

        Japanese with the folks at Fukuoka Farms, and for someone who doesn't

        speak Japanese, it might be difficult to find out exactly what's

        going on there.



        All the Fukuoka Farms people knew, of course, that Fukuoka's original

        book *Wara Ippon no Kakumei* has been translated worldwide, including

        into the English-language title "The One-Straw Revolution". What

        surprised me a bit, though, was that the Fukuoka Farms people didn't

        know Fukuoka's original Japanese versions of "The Natural Way of

        Farming" and "The Road Back to Nature" had been translated as well.

        They were surprised to hear that.



        I got the impression somehow that even with the steady stream of

        Japanese and foreign visitors to the farm, there was still something

        of an information gap between the folks at the Fukuoka Farms and the

        "outside world". That could be due to the language barrier, as I

        said, but probably due more so to the fact that they are always busy

        planting and harvesting the crops just as Fukuoka did! So again,

        perhaps understandable to some degree about the lack of clear

        information coming through.



        Since the three photos I attached didn't make it to this list, let me

        give you my homepage address where you can find a few more photos I

        took of the citrus orchards on the hillsides of the Fukuoka Farms.

        Also included are a few photos of a daylong "eco-event" held not far

        away from the Fukuoka Farms that same weekend in downtown Matsuyama

        city called "Live Earth". (Sorry, all text is in Japanese.)



        > http://web.mac.com/inochi4/iWeb/1F8F7626-

        > FC96-4B58-9970-595A3C47263D/photos.html



        Enjoy,



        Brian Ohkubo Covert

        Kawanishi, Hyogo, Japan



        On 2010/08/24, at 21:56, Yugandhar S wrote:



        >

        > Dear Brian,

        > It is really heartening to know that Fukuoka's legacy is still

        > alive today

        > on his farm. I am saying this because, some earlier e-mails on this

        > group

        > seeking the whereabouts of Fukuoka's farm and clarification about

        > his son's

        > supposed adoption of organic methods on the farm, were unanswered.

        >

        > You are one of those few lucky ones who could make to his farm. I am

        > currently content with my visit to two of the most successful

        > natural farms

        > of India, belonging to veterans Sri Raju Titus and Sri Kailash

        > murthy, and

        > few other excellent farms.

        >

        > Unfortunately, I am unable to see any attachments of photos with

        > your email.

        > Please do share them.

        >

        > Best Regards

        > Yugandhar

        >

        > 2010/8/24 Ohkubo-Covert <inochi4@...>

        >

        > >

        > >

        > > Hello,

        > >

        > > Thanks very much for sharing the stories of Masanobu Fukuoka's visit

        > > to India some years ago. It is very heartwarming and inspiring to

        > read.

        > >

        > > I have seen some of Fukuoka's visit to India as it appeared on a

        > > Japanese video documentary, and indeed Fukuoka appeared impressed

        > > with what he was seeing on Indian farms.

        > >

        > > Just to let our fellow list members in India and beyond know: I had

        > > the chance to visit the Fukuoka Farms on the Japanese island of

        > > Shikoku during this summer, and it too was inspiring. More than just

        > > a visit, it felt like a kind of sacred pilgrimage to me.

        > >

        > > I'm including a couple photos I took of the *ama-natsu" citrus fruit

        > > orchards located on the hillsides of the Fukuoka Farms. I spent a

        > > couple of days at the farm, picking and hauling those fruits \ a

        > task

        > > that would be hard work on level ground but is even tougher

        > > considering that the orchards are all located on steep hillsides.

        > >

        > > The photos don't begin to show how beautiful and healthy the citrus

        > > fruits looked. They were so ripe that they were literally dropping

        > > off the trees as we were harvesting them. In one scene across the

        > > valley, you can see that some Japanese farmers are still doing it

        > the

        > > conventional way and apparently have not yet adopted Fukuoka's

        > > successful methods.

        > >

        > > According to some of the Japanese staff of Fukuoka Farms that I

        > > talked with, the local Japanese farmers for years were "suspicious"

        > > of Fukuoka and withheld their support of what he was trying to do

        > > with his natural farming philosophy and methods. Now, they say,

        > > Fukuoka's ideas are more accepted by the local farmers and Fukuoka

        > > Farms gets support from the local farmers' cooperatives. But it

        > > apparently took a long time for it to get that way.

        > >

        > > Fukuoka Farms continues to use the straw covering for their crops

        > > (which I saw there) but they said that they no longer use the seed

        > > balls. That seemed to have stopped after Fukuoka passed away, if not

        > > before.

        > >

        > > In addition to the citrus fruits, while I was there Fukuoka Farms

        > was

        > > also growing lemons, kiwi fruits and mushrooms, all of which I

        > helped

        > > package and prepare for shipping. They were all beautiful and

        > healthy

        > > looking.

        > >

        > > I took a few things from my own home garden in Japan and left them

        > > behind in the hillsides of Fukuoka's citrus orchards, so that

        > part of

        > > me will always be there. The one thing that really struck me as I

        > > stood atop the hills that Fukuoka once worked with his own hands for

        > > many years was that his spirit very much remains alive there. I

        > could

        > > feel his strong presence somehow looking out over the valley.

        > >

        > > I also had a chance to go over to the shady pagoda that he and other

        > > foreign visitors helped build some years back. It looked a bit

        > out of

        > > use, but was just as strong and sturdy as when it was first built. A

        > > photo of that is included here. Fukuoka always seemed to take

        > special

        > > pride in this handmade structure, built without the convenience of

        > > modern tools and equipment.

        > >

        > > It seems that the folks at Fukuoka Farms still get a steady

        > stream of

        > > visitors from all around Japan and the world, which is incredible

        > > when you think about it. My impression is that some of the Japanese

        > > staff seemed a bit tired of having to take care of all the

        > foreigners

        > > passing through, but perhaps that's understandable.

        > >

        > > Anyway, I just wanted to share a few of my own thoughts about

        > > Masanobu Fukuoka and his legacy, which I was so deeply touched to

        > > find is alive and well and living on the hillsides near Matsuyama,

        > > Japan.

        > >

        > > Warm regards,

        > >

        > > Brian Ohkubo Covert

        > > Kawanishi, Hyogo, Japan

        > >

        > >

        >





























        [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
      • Yugandhar S
        Thanks Dear Brian for those comments. And thanks for the photos link too. The orchard pictures are really awesome and what a landscape that is!! ... [Non-text
        Message 3 of 16 , Aug 25, 2010
          Thanks Dear Brian for those comments. And thanks for the photos link too.
          The orchard pictures are really awesome and what a landscape that is!!

          On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 10:41 AM, Ohkubo-Covert <inochi4@...> wrote:

          >
          >
          >
          >
          > Dear Yugandhar,
          >
          > Thank you very much for your reply.
          >
          > Yes, I too feel that I was very lucky (and honored) indeed to have
          > been able to allowed to spend a couple days at the Fukuoka Farms here
          > in Japan. It was a once-in-a-lifetime chance.
          >
          > > I am saying this because, some earlier e-mails on this group
          > > seeking the whereabouts of Fukuoka's farm and clarification about
          > > his son's
          > > supposed adoption of organic methods on the farm, were unanswered.
          > >
          >
          > I had a chance briefly to meet Masato, the son of the elder Fukuoka,
          > who came to greet me on my arrival there, but didn't have any time to
          > talk since he seemed very busy.
          >
          > I'm not sure if the language barrier has anything to do with the lack
          > of communication or information about the above matters you
          > mentioned, but perhaps that could be one factor. I spoke only
          > Japanese with the folks at Fukuoka Farms, and for someone who doesn't
          > speak Japanese, it might be difficult to find out exactly what's
          > going on there.
          >
          > All the Fukuoka Farms people knew, of course, that Fukuoka's original
          > book *Wara Ippon no Kakumei* has been translated worldwide, including
          > into the English-language title "The One-Straw Revolution". What
          > surprised me a bit, though, was that the Fukuoka Farms people didn't
          > know Fukuoka's original Japanese versions of "The Natural Way of
          > Farming" and "The Road Back to Nature" had been translated as well.
          > They were surprised to hear that.
          >
          > I got the impression somehow that even with the steady stream of
          > Japanese and foreign visitors to the farm, there was still something
          > of an information gap between the folks at the Fukuoka Farms and the
          > "outside world". That could be due to the language barrier, as I
          > said, but probably due more so to the fact that they are always busy
          > planting and harvesting the crops just as Fukuoka did! So again,
          > perhaps understandable to some degree about the lack of clear
          > information coming through.
          >
          > Since the three photos I attached didn't make it to this list, let me
          > give you my homepage address where you can find a few more photos I
          > took of the citrus orchards on the hillsides of the Fukuoka Farms.
          > Also included are a few photos of a daylong "eco-event" held not far
          > away from the Fukuoka Farms that same weekend in downtown Matsuyama
          > city called "Live Earth". (Sorry, all text is in Japanese.)
          >
          > > http://web.mac.com/inochi4/iWeb/1F8F7626-
          > > FC96-4B58-9970-595A3C47263D/photos.html
          >
          > Enjoy,
          >
          >
          > Brian Ohkubo Covert
          > Kawanishi, Hyogo, Japan
          >
          > On 2010/08/24, at 21:56, Yugandhar S wrote:
          >
          > >
          > > Dear Brian,
          > > It is really heartening to know that Fukuoka's legacy is still
          > > alive today
          > > on his farm. I am saying this because, some earlier e-mails on this
          > > group
          > > seeking the whereabouts of Fukuoka's farm and clarification about
          > > his son's
          > > supposed adoption of organic methods on the farm, were unanswered.
          > >
          > > You are one of those few lucky ones who could make to his farm. I am
          > > currently content with my visit to two of the most successful
          > > natural farms
          > > of India, belonging to veterans Sri Raju Titus and Sri Kailash
          > > murthy, and
          > > few other excellent farms.
          > >
          > > Unfortunately, I am unable to see any attachments of photos with
          > > your email.
          > > Please do share them.
          > >
          > > Best Regards
          > > Yugandhar
          > >
          > > 2010/8/24 Ohkubo-Covert <inochi4@... <inochi4%40mac.com>>
          > >
          > > >
          > > >
          > > > Hello,
          > > >
          > > > Thanks very much for sharing the stories of Masanobu Fukuoka's visit
          > > > to India some years ago. It is very heartwarming and inspiring to
          > > read.
          > > >
          > > > I have seen some of Fukuoka's visit to India as it appeared on a
          > > > Japanese video documentary, and indeed Fukuoka appeared impressed
          > > > with what he was seeing on Indian farms.
          > > >
          > > > Just to let our fellow list members in India and beyond know: I had
          > > > the chance to visit the Fukuoka Farms on the Japanese island of
          > > > Shikoku during this summer, and it too was inspiring. More than just
          > > > a visit, it felt like a kind of sacred pilgrimage to me.
          > > >
          > > > I'm including a couple photos I took of the *ama-natsu" citrus fruit
          > > > orchards located on the hillsides of the Fukuoka Farms. I spent a
          > > > couple of days at the farm, picking and hauling those fruits \ a
          > > task
          > > > that would be hard work on level ground but is even tougher
          > > > considering that the orchards are all located on steep hillsides.
          > > >
          > > > The photos don't begin to show how beautiful and healthy the citrus
          > > > fruits looked. They were so ripe that they were literally dropping
          > > > off the trees as we were harvesting them. In one scene across the
          > > > valley, you can see that some Japanese farmers are still doing it
          > > the
          > > > conventional way and apparently have not yet adopted Fukuoka's
          > > > successful methods.
          > > >
          > > > According to some of the Japanese staff of Fukuoka Farms that I
          > > > talked with, the local Japanese farmers for years were "suspicious"
          > > > of Fukuoka and withheld their support of what he was trying to do
          > > > with his natural farming philosophy and methods. Now, they say,
          > > > Fukuoka's ideas are more accepted by the local farmers and Fukuoka
          > > > Farms gets support from the local farmers' cooperatives. But it
          > > > apparently took a long time for it to get that way.
          > > >
          > > > Fukuoka Farms continues to use the straw covering for their crops
          > > > (which I saw there) but they said that they no longer use the seed
          > > > balls. That seemed to have stopped after Fukuoka passed away, if not
          > > > before.
          > > >
          > > > In addition to the citrus fruits, while I was there Fukuoka Farms
          > > was
          > > > also growing lemons, kiwi fruits and mushrooms, all of which I
          > > helped
          > > > package and prepare for shipping. They were all beautiful and
          > > healthy
          > > > looking.
          > > >
          > > > I took a few things from my own home garden in Japan and left them
          > > > behind in the hillsides of Fukuoka's citrus orchards, so that
          > > part of
          > > > me will always be there. The one thing that really struck me as I
          > > > stood atop the hills that Fukuoka once worked with his own hands for
          > > > many years was that his spirit very much remains alive there. I
          > > could
          > > > feel his strong presence somehow looking out over the valley.
          > > >
          > > > I also had a chance to go over to the shady pagoda that he and other
          > > > foreign visitors helped build some years back. It looked a bit
          > > out of
          > > > use, but was just as strong and sturdy as when it was first built. A
          > > > photo of that is included here. Fukuoka always seemed to take
          > > special
          > > > pride in this handmade structure, built without the convenience of
          > > > modern tools and equipment.
          > > >
          > > > It seems that the folks at Fukuoka Farms still get a steady
          > > stream of
          > > > visitors from all around Japan and the world, which is incredible
          > > > when you think about it. My impression is that some of the Japanese
          > > > staff seemed a bit tired of having to take care of all the
          > > foreigners
          > > > passing through, but perhaps that's understandable.
          > > >
          > > > Anyway, I just wanted to share a few of my own thoughts about
          > > > Masanobu Fukuoka and his legacy, which I was so deeply touched to
          > > > find is alive and well and living on the hillsides near Matsuyama,
          > > > Japan.
          > > >
          > > > Warm regards,
          > > >
          > > > Brian Ohkubo Covert
          > > > Kawanishi, Hyogo, Japan
          > > >
          > > >
          > >
          >
          >
          >


          [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
        • S K. KUMARASWAMY
          Dear yugandar, Where is photo link? Please share here. Regards, swamy ... From: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com] On
          Message 4 of 16 , Aug 25, 2010
            Dear yugandar,
            Where is photo link?
            Please share here.

            Regards,
            swamy

            -----Original Message-----
            From: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Yugandhar S
            Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 10:57 AM
            To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com
            Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] Re: VISIT OF FUKUOKA 1988 / Visit to Fukuoka Farms

            Thanks Dear Brian for those comments. And thanks for the photos link too.
            The orchard pictures are really awesome and what a landscape that is!!

            On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 10:41 AM, Ohkubo-Covert <inochi4@...> wrote:

            >
            >
            >
            >
            > Dear Yugandhar,
            >
            > Thank you very much for your reply.
            >
            > Yes, I too feel that I was very lucky (and honored) indeed to have
            > been able to allowed to spend a couple days at the Fukuoka Farms here
            > in Japan. It was a once-in-a-lifetime chance.
            >
            > > I am saying this because, some earlier e-mails on this group
            > > seeking the whereabouts of Fukuoka's farm and clarification about
            > > his son's
            > > supposed adoption of organic methods on the farm, were unanswered.
            > >
            >
            > I had a chance briefly to meet Masato, the son of the elder Fukuoka,
            > who came to greet me on my arrival there, but didn't have any time to
            > talk since he seemed very busy.
            >
            > I'm not sure if the language barrier has anything to do with the lack
            > of communication or information about the above matters you
            > mentioned, but perhaps that could be one factor. I spoke only
            > Japanese with the folks at Fukuoka Farms, and for someone who doesn't
            > speak Japanese, it might be difficult to find out exactly what's
            > going on there.
            >
            > All the Fukuoka Farms people knew, of course, that Fukuoka's original
            > book *Wara Ippon no Kakumei* has been translated worldwide, including
            > into the English-language title "The One-Straw Revolution". What
            > surprised me a bit, though, was that the Fukuoka Farms people didn't
            > know Fukuoka's original Japanese versions of "The Natural Way of
            > Farming" and "The Road Back to Nature" had been translated as well.
            > They were surprised to hear that.
            >
            > I got the impression somehow that even with the steady stream of
            > Japanese and foreign visitors to the farm, there was still something
            > of an information gap between the folks at the Fukuoka Farms and the
            > "outside world". That could be due to the language barrier, as I
            > said, but probably due more so to the fact that they are always busy
            > planting and harvesting the crops just as Fukuoka did! So again,
            > perhaps understandable to some degree about the lack of clear
            > information coming through.
            >
            > Since the three photos I attached didn't make it to this list, let me
            > give you my homepage address where you can find a few more photos I
            > took of the citrus orchards on the hillsides of the Fukuoka Farms.
            > Also included are a few photos of a daylong "eco-event" held not far
            > away from the Fukuoka Farms that same weekend in downtown Matsuyama
            > city called "Live Earth". (Sorry, all text is in Japanese.)
            >
            > > http://web.mac.com/inochi4/iWeb/1F8F7626-
            > > FC96-4B58-9970-595A3C47263D/photos.html
            >
            > Enjoy,
            >
            >
            > Brian Ohkubo Covert
            > Kawanishi, Hyogo, Japan
            >
            > On 2010/08/24, at 21:56, Yugandhar S wrote:
            >
            > >
            > > Dear Brian,
            > > It is really heartening to know that Fukuoka's legacy is still
            > > alive today
            > > on his farm. I am saying this because, some earlier e-mails on this
            > > group
            > > seeking the whereabouts of Fukuoka's farm and clarification about
            > > his son's
            > > supposed adoption of organic methods on the farm, were unanswered.
            > >
            > > You are one of those few lucky ones who could make to his farm. I am
            > > currently content with my visit to two of the most successful
            > > natural farms
            > > of India, belonging to veterans Sri Raju Titus and Sri Kailash
            > > murthy, and
            > > few other excellent farms.
            > >
            > > Unfortunately, I am unable to see any attachments of photos with
            > > your email.
            > > Please do share them.
            > >
            > > Best Regards
            > > Yugandhar
            > >
            > > 2010/8/24 Ohkubo-Covert <inochi4@... <inochi4%40mac.com>>
            > >
            > > >
            > > >
            > > > Hello,
            > > >
            > > > Thanks very much for sharing the stories of Masanobu Fukuoka's visit
            > > > to India some years ago. It is very heartwarming and inspiring to
            > > read.
            > > >
            > > > I have seen some of Fukuoka's visit to India as it appeared on a
            > > > Japanese video documentary, and indeed Fukuoka appeared impressed
            > > > with what he was seeing on Indian farms.
            > > >
            > > > Just to let our fellow list members in India and beyond know: I had
            > > > the chance to visit the Fukuoka Farms on the Japanese island of
            > > > Shikoku during this summer, and it too was inspiring. More than just
            > > > a visit, it felt like a kind of sacred pilgrimage to me.
            > > >
            > > > I'm including a couple photos I took of the *ama-natsu" citrus fruit
            > > > orchards located on the hillsides of the Fukuoka Farms. I spent a
            > > > couple of days at the farm, picking and hauling those fruits \ a
            > > task
            > > > that would be hard work on level ground but is even tougher
            > > > considering that the orchards are all located on steep hillsides.
            > > >
            > > > The photos don't begin to show how beautiful and healthy the citrus
            > > > fruits looked. They were so ripe that they were literally dropping
            > > > off the trees as we were harvesting them. In one scene across the
            > > > valley, you can see that some Japanese farmers are still doing it
            > > the
            > > > conventional way and apparently have not yet adopted Fukuoka's
            > > > successful methods.
            > > >
            > > > According to some of the Japanese staff of Fukuoka Farms that I
            > > > talked with, the local Japanese farmers for years were "suspicious"
            > > > of Fukuoka and withheld their support of what he was trying to do
            > > > with his natural farming philosophy and methods. Now, they say,
            > > > Fukuoka's ideas are more accepted by the local farmers and Fukuoka
            > > > Farms gets support from the local farmers' cooperatives. But it
            > > > apparently took a long time for it to get that way.
            > > >
            > > > Fukuoka Farms continues to use the straw covering for their crops
            > > > (which I saw there) but they said that they no longer use the seed
            > > > balls. That seemed to have stopped after Fukuoka passed away, if not
            > > > before.
            > > >
            > > > In addition to the citrus fruits, while I was there Fukuoka Farms
            > > was
            > > > also growing lemons, kiwi fruits and mushrooms, all of which I
            > > helped
            > > > package and prepare for shipping. They were all beautiful and
            > > healthy
            > > > looking.
            > > >
            > > > I took a few things from my own home garden in Japan and left them
            > > > behind in the hillsides of Fukuoka's citrus orchards, so that
            > > part of
            > > > me will always be there. The one thing that really struck me as I
            > > > stood atop the hills that Fukuoka once worked with his own hands for
            > > > many years was that his spirit very much remains alive there. I
            > > could
            > > > feel his strong presence somehow looking out over the valley.
            > > >
            > > > I also had a chance to go over to the shady pagoda that he and other
            > > > foreign visitors helped build some years back. It looked a bit
            > > out of
            > > > use, but was just as strong and sturdy as when it was first built. A
            > > > photo of that is included here. Fukuoka always seemed to take
            > > special
            > > > pride in this handmade structure, built without the convenience of
            > > > modern tools and equipment.
            > > >
            > > > It seems that the folks at Fukuoka Farms still get a steady
            > > stream of
            > > > visitors from all around Japan and the world, which is incredible
            > > > when you think about it. My impression is that some of the Japanese
            > > > staff seemed a bit tired of having to take care of all the
            > > foreigners
            > > > passing through, but perhaps that's understandable.
            > > >
            > > > Anyway, I just wanted to share a few of my own thoughts about
            > > > Masanobu Fukuoka and his legacy, which I was so deeply touched to
            > > > find is alive and well and living on the hillsides near Matsuyama,
            > > > Japan.
            > > >
            > > > Warm regards,
            > > >
            > > > Brian Ohkubo Covert
            > > > Kawanishi, Hyogo, Japan
            > > >
            > > >
            > >
            >
            >
            >


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          • Tom Gibson
            I am trying to understand what people on this list mean when they refer to organic vs natural . Fukuoka s work and natural farming are a subset of organic
            Message 5 of 16 , Aug 26, 2010
              I am trying to understand what people on this list mean when they refer
              to "organic" vs "natural". Fukuoka's work and natural farming are a
              subset of organic as I understand the word. There is something implied
              here that I don't understand as if organic was bad. There are good and
              bad things about every form of agriculture including organic and natural
              but natural is organic although not all organic is natural.

              I would be interested to hear, other than tilling that is done in some
              organic and conventional farming, what other differences people think
              about when they hear the word organic compared to natural?

              Tom
              --- In fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com, Yugandhar S <s.yugandhar@...>
              wrote:
              >
              > Dear Brian,
              > It is really heartening to know that Fukuoka's legacy is still alive
              today
              > on his farm. I am saying this because, some earlier e-mails on this
              group
              > seeking the whereabouts of Fukuoka's farm and clarification about his
              son's
              > supposed adoption of organic methods on the farm, were unanswered.
              >
              > You are one of those few lucky ones who could make to his farm. I am
              > currently content with my visit to two of the most successful natural
              farms
              > of India, belonging to veterans Sri Raju Titus and Sri Kailash murthy,
              and
              > few other excellent farms.
              >
              > Unfortunately, I am unable to see any attachments of photos with your
              email.
              > Please do share them.
              >
              > Best Regards
              > Yugandhar
              >
              > 2010/8/24 Ohkubo-Covert inochi4@...
              >
              > >
              > >
              > > Hello,
              > >
              > > Thanks very much for sharing the stories of Masanobu Fukuoka's visit
              > > to India some years ago. It is very heartwarming and inspiring to
              read.
              > >
              > > I have seen some of Fukuoka's visit to India as it appeared on a
              > > Japanese video documentary, and indeed Fukuoka appeared impressed
              > > with what he was seeing on Indian farms.
              > >
              > > Just to let our fellow list members in India and beyond know: I had
              > > the chance to visit the Fukuoka Farms on the Japanese island of
              > > Shikoku during this summer, and it too was inspiring. More than just
              > > a visit, it felt like a kind of sacred pilgrimage to me.
              > >
              > > I'm including a couple photos I took of the *ama-natsu" citrus fruit
              > > orchards located on the hillsides of the Fukuoka Farms. I spent a
              > > couple of days at the farm, picking and hauling those fruits \ a
              task
              > > that would be hard work on level ground but is even tougher
              > > considering that the orchards are all located on steep hillsides.
              > >
              > > The photos don't begin to show how beautiful and healthy the citrus
              > > fruits looked. They were so ripe that they were literally dropping
              > > off the trees as we were harvesting them. In one scene across the
              > > valley, you can see that some Japanese farmers are still doing it
              the
              > > conventional way and apparently have not yet adopted Fukuoka's
              > > successful methods.
              > >
              > > According to some of the Japanese staff of Fukuoka Farms that I
              > > talked with, the local Japanese farmers for years were "suspicious"
              > > of Fukuoka and withheld their support of what he was trying to do
              > > with his natural farming philosophy and methods. Now, they say,
              > > Fukuoka's ideas are more accepted by the local farmers and Fukuoka
              > > Farms gets support from the local farmers' cooperatives. But it
              > > apparently took a long time for it to get that way.
              > >
              > > Fukuoka Farms continues to use the straw covering for their crops
              > > (which I saw there) but they said that they no longer use the seed
              > > balls. That seemed to have stopped after Fukuoka passed away, if not
              > > before.
              > >
              > > In addition to the citrus fruits, while I was there Fukuoka Farms
              was
              > > also growing lemons, kiwi fruits and mushrooms, all of which I
              helped
              > > package and prepare for shipping. They were all beautiful and
              healthy
              > > looking.
              > >
              > > I took a few things from my own home garden in Japan and left them
              > > behind in the hillsides of Fukuoka's citrus orchards, so that part
              of
              > > me will always be there. The one thing that really struck me as I
              > > stood atop the hills that Fukuoka once worked with his own hands for
              > > many years was that his spirit very much remains alive there. I
              could
              > > feel his strong presence somehow looking out over the valley.
              > >
              > > I also had a chance to go over to the shady pagoda that he and other
              > > foreign visitors helped build some years back. It looked a bit out
              of
              > > use, but was just as strong and sturdy as when it was first built. A
              > > photo of that is included here. Fukuoka always seemed to take
              special
              > > pride in this handmade structure, built without the convenience of
              > > modern tools and equipment.
              > >
              > > It seems that the folks at Fukuoka Farms still get a steady stream
              of
              > > visitors from all around Japan and the world, which is incredible
              > > when you think about it. My impression is that some of the Japanese
              > > staff seemed a bit tired of having to take care of all the
              foreigners
              > > passing through, but perhaps that's understandable.
              > >
              > > Anyway, I just wanted to share a few of my own thoughts about
              > > Masanobu Fukuoka and his legacy, which I was so deeply touched to
              > > find is alive and well and living on the hillsides near Matsuyama,
              > > Japan.
              > >
              > > Warm regards,
              > >
              > > Brian Ohkubo Covert
              > > Kawanishi, Hyogo, Japan
              > >
              > >
              > > ----------
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > > ----------
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > > ----------
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > > On 2010/08/24, at 18:29, Yugandhar S wrote:
              > >
              > > >
              > > > *Memories from the Natural farming workshop and Seminar - Jul 29
              to
              > > > Jul 31,
              > > > 2010, Davanagere
              > > > *
              > > > *Fukuoka San's visit - January 1988*
              > > >
              > > > At the seminar, I was asked what Fukuoka said upon first seeing my
              > > > farm on
              > > > his maiden visit to India?
              > > >
              > > > It was in January 1988 when Fukuoka san visited India for the
              first
              > > > time. He
              > > > was invited to India to confer on him the award of 'Desikottam' by
              > > > the then
              > > > prime minister if India Late. Sri Rajiv Gandhi. Mr.Fukuoka also
              > > > lectured in
              > > > the Indian Science Congress which was greatly appreciated.
              > > >
              > > > At the time I was in my third year of natural farming. Except a
              > > > copy of 'One
              > > > straw revolution', I had no other knowledge of natural farming.
              The
              > > > only
              > > > guide post was to 'Do-nothing'. So, I was just concentrating on
              the
              > > > internal
              > > > and external protection of my farm, by completely stopping all the
              > > > wasteful
              > > > and dangerous methods of 'Green revolution' alias scientific
              > > > farming like
              > > > tilling, fertilizers, pescticides, weeding etc, that were
              practiced
              > > > vigorously those days. My entire farm was covered with tall kaas
              > > > grass. I
              > > > used to cut these grasses, broadcast the seeds of pulses and
              spread
              > > > the cut
              > > > grasses over the seeds in the winter. I used to irrigate the
              fields a
              > > > little. I used to harvest good amout of pulses for our needs in
              the
              > > > winter
              > > > in this manner. But due to my in-experience with the method, the
              > > > crop was
              > > > good at some places and bad at some others.
              > > >
              > > > In those days, world famous Gandhian and Quaker Marjorie Sykes and
              Sri
              > > > Partap agarwal were practicing 'Rishi Kheti' at Rasulia near my
              > > > place. One
              > > > straw revolution's first edition was also brought out at that time
              > > > in India.
              > > > These things attracted many foreign visitors to Rasulia. The
              people
              > > > at the
              > > > society used to bring these visitors to my farm also to show my
              > > > experiments
              > > > with natural farming. I was like an old monkey who was unable to
              > > > jump from
              > > > branch to branch, but was boasting from the ground to the monkey's
              > > > on the
              > > > tree to look at my mustache, terming them as fools.
              > > >
              > > > No doubt, there was utmost satisfaction in doing nothing, but the
              > > > harvest
              > > > was not so great to really entice others. I would fearfully
              explain
              > > > to the
              > > > visitor's my experiences with natural farming. But, even these
              small
              > > > experiments of mine were very well received and lauded. Lastly,
              the
              > > > time has
              > > > come when the Guru of natural farming himself was to come and see
              > > > my farm,
              > > > and I was really afraid that this old monkey's real in-experienced
              > > > face
              > > > would be exposed. Whenever I tried to do something to increase my
              > > > experience, I would fail and fall back to do-nothing. The day has
              > > > come when
              > > > Fukuoka was stationed in Rasulia with his team of many foreign
              > > > visitors. Sri
              > > > Partap,who introduced Fukuoka to India, was also with them.
              > > >
              > > > Fukuoka, first saw the field where I previously raised crop many
              times
              > > > naturally, and whose output I used to consider as negligible. He
              very
              > > > lovingly said: "I did not know that you are doing natural farming
              > > > here so
              > > > successfully". I was shocked upon hearing this. I thought that
              > > > there must be
              > > > some error in translating his comments. His comments in japanese
              were
              > > > directly and immediately translated to Hindi. Then he said: "See
              > > > there are
              > > > so many spiders here and their webs. This means that nature is
              > > > alive here.
              > > > The presence of spiders implies that there are many microbes and
              > > > insects
              > > > here that improve the land and protect the crops, but are
              invisible
              > > > to the
              > > > eye." He also said that, he could see lot of plants belonging to
              > > > the pulses
              > > > family in my fields, which provide nitrogen upto the extent of
              > > > their shade.
              > > > Their roots serve to irrigate the soil and they host enemies of
              > > > crop pests
              > > > on them. He said that my fields were fully ready to embrace
              natural
              > > > farming.
              > > > Upon venturing further into my fields he ranked my fields at
              number
              > > > one,
              > > > among the many natural farming experiments he saw. He also said
              > > > that if I
              > > > continue on this path of do-nothing natural farming, a day will
              > > > come when I
              > > > will reap harvests while lazing on my bed. Today, I am enjoying
              all
              > > > the
              > > > fruits of natural farming in my fields, which many people fail to
              get
              > > > despite major efforts. Fukuoka later sent many people to my farm
              to
              > > > see and
              > > > learn from my experiences. In the past 25 years, many visitors
              from
              > > > India
              > > > and abroad have visited my farm to see, learn and understand about
              > > > natural
              > > > farming.
              > > >
              > > > --Raju Titus
              > > >
              > > > 2010/8/22 Raju Titus rajuktitus@...
              > > >
              > > > > *बंगलुरु (
              देवेंगेरे २९
              > > > से ३१ जुल.२०१०) की
              > > > कार्यशाला की
              यादें.*
              > > > > *फुकुà¤"का का आगमन
              जन. 1988*
              > > > > * ज*ब मुझसे से
              पूछा गया
              > > > की फुकुà¤"काजी ने
              जब पहली
              > > > बार आपका फार्म
              देखा तो
              > > > > वो क्या बोले.?
              > > > > बात जनवरी १९८८ की
              है जब
              > > > वो पहली बार भारत
              पधारे थे
              > > > उन दिनों उन्हें
              भारत के
              > > > > भूतपूर्व
              प्रधानंत्री
              > > > स्व.श्री राजीव
              गांधीजी ने
              > > > "देशिकोत्तम" प्रदान
              > > > करने के
              > > > > लिए बुलाया था. वे
              > > > दुनिया की सेर करते
              हुए
              > > > अमेरिका से सीधे
              भारत
              > > > पधारे थे. उस
              > > > > समय उन्होंने
              भारतीय
              > > > साइंस कोंग्रेस मे
              भी
              > > > भाषण दिया था.
              जिसे बहुत
              > > > सराहा गया
              > > > > था.
              > > > > उन दिनों हम
              कुदरती खेती
              > > > के तीसरे साल मे
              ही थे. "The One-Straw
              > > > > Revolution" के अलावा हमारे
              पास
              > > > कुदरती खेती करने
              का कुछ
              > > > भी ज्ञान नहीं
              था.
              > > > > केवल " कुछ मत करो"
              आधार था.
              > > > इस लिए हमने मोजुदा
              > > > "हरित क्रांति" यानि
              > > > > वैज्ञानिक खेती
              मे किये
              > > > जा रहे तमाम गेर
              कुदरती
              > > > कार्यों को जैसे
              जुताई, खाद,
              > > > > दवाई, निंदाई को
              बंद कर
              > > > खेतों की बाहरी à¤"र
              > > > आन्तरिक सुरक्षा पर
              ध्यान
              > > > लगा रखा
              > > > > था. हमारा पूरा खेत
              ऊँची
              > > > ऊँची "काँस घास" से
              भर गए थे.
              > > > हम इन घासों को
              काट कर
              > > > > ठण्ड के मोसम मे
              दाल की
              > > > फसलों के बीजों
              को छिटक कर
              > > > उनके उपर कटे हुए
              घासों को
              > > > > फेला कर हलकी
              सिंचाई कर
              > > > दिया करते थे इस से
              हमें
              > > > ठण्ड मे दालों की
              फसल मिल
              > > > जाती
              > > > > थी. चूंकि हम इस
              काम
              > > > अनुभवहीन थे इस
              लिए फसल
              > > > कंही अच्छी कंही
              ख़राब
              > > > पैदा हो रही
              > > > > थी.
              > > > > इन्ही दिनों
              रसूलिया मे "The
              > > > One-Straw Revolution" के पहले
              संस्करण के
              > > > > छपने के कारण à¤"र
              वंहा रह
              > > > रहीं जगप्रसिद्ध
              > > > गाँधीवादी क्वेकर
              > > > मार्जरी साय्क्स à¤"र
              > > > > परतापजी के द्वारा
              किये
              > > > जा रहे "ऋषि खेती"
              > > > प्रयोगों को देखने
              के लिए
              > > > अनेक देशी
              > > > > विदेशी महमान आते
              रहते
              > > > थे जिन्हें ये लोग
              हमारे
              > > > यंहा भी हमारे
              प्रयोगों को
              > > > > दिखाने के लिए
              लाया करते
              > > > थे. "उन दिनों हम उस
              बूढ़े
              > > > बंदर की तरह थे जिस
              से अब
              > > > > पेडों पर कूद कूद
              कर चलते
              > > > नहीं बन रहा था इस
              लिए वो
              > > > जमीन पर उतर आया था
              à¤"र जो
              > > > > मूछों पर ताव देते
              हुए
              > > > ऊपर वाले बंदरों
              को
              > > > "मूर्ख" बाताते हुए
              शेखी
              > > > बघार रहा
              > > > > था."
              > > > > कुछ मत करो मे
              आनंद तो
              > > > बहुत आ रहा हा
              किन्तु
              > > > खेती मे उत्पादन
              इतना नहीं
              > > > > था जो हर किसी को
              > > > प्रभावित कर सके
              इस लिए हम
              > > > डरे डरे से आने
              वाले
              > > > महमानों को
              > > > > जैसा हो रहा था
              वैसा
              > > > बाताते रहते थे. इस
              से ही
              > > > हमें बहुत आशीर्वाद
              मिल
              > > > रहा था.
              > > > > किन्तु अब समय आ
              गया था जब
              > > > असली कुदरती खेती
              के गुरु
              > > > आने वाले थे हम
              बहुत डरे
              > > > > थे की अब "बंदर" की
              पोल
              > > > खुलने वाली है.
              हमने बहुत
              > > > ताकत लगाई किन्तु "
              कुछ मत
              > > > > करो" जब भी हम
              कुछ करते
              > > > हैं तो फेल हो
              जाते है à¤"र
              > > > हुआ भी वही. à¤"र
              वो दिन आ गया
              > > > > वे रसूलिया मे à¤
              हरे थे
              > > > उनके साथ अनेक देश
              विदेशी
              > > > महमानों की टीम थी.
              à¤"र साथ मे
              > > > > पर्ताप्जी भी थे
              > > > जिन्होंने भारत
              को
              > > > फुकुà¤"काजी का
              परिचय
              > > > कराया है.
              > > > > पहले ही खेत मे
              जिसमे
              > > > हमने अनेक बार बोनी
              किया
              > > > था फसल हमारे हिसाब
              से ना के
              > > > > बराबर थी पहुंचते
              ही
              > > > उन्होंने बड़े
              प्यार से
              > > > कहा की मुझे नहीं
              मालूम
              > > > था की आप
              > > > > यंहा इतनी अच्छी
              खेती
              > > > करते हैं. ये सुन
              कर हम
              > > > चकरा गए क्योंकि
              जापानी
              > > > भाषा से
              > > > > सीधे हिंदी मे
              अनुवाद हो
              > > > रहा था हमने सोचा
              जरुर कोई
              > > > अनुवाद की गलती है
              फ़िर
              > > > > उन्होंने कहा की
              देखो
              > > > यंहा कितनी
              मकड़ियाँ है
              > > > कितने उनके जाले
              (घर) हैं
              > > > इस का
              > > > > मतलब है क़ुदरत
              यंहा
              > > > जिन्दा है. मकड़ियों
              के
              > > > रहने से पता चलता
              है की
              > > > यंहा अनेक
              > > > > जमीन को सुधारने
              à¤"र
              > > > फसलों को बचाने
              वाले कीड़े
              > > > à¤"र जीवाणु हैं जो
              आँखों
              > > > से दिखाई
              > > > > नहीं देते हैं.
              दूसरा
              > > > उन्होंने कहा की
              यंहा
              > > > अनेक दलहन जाती के
              पोधे उग
              > > > रहे हैं
              > > > > ये जमीन से जितना
              उपर
              > > > रहते हैं अपनी छाया
              के
              > > > छेत्र मे नत्रजन
              सप्लाई
              > > > करने का
              > > > > काम करते हैं. à¤"र
              जड़ों
              > > > से सिंचाई का काम
              करते हैं.
              > > > इनके उपर फसलों की
              > > > बीमारियों
              > > > > के दुश्मन रहते है.
              ये खेत
              > > > अब कुदरती खेती के
              लिए
              > > > पूरी तरह तयार हो
              गए हैं. आगे
              > > > > के खेतों मे
              पहुँच कर
              > > > उन्होंने हमें
              हमें
              > > > उनके द्वारा देखे
              गए
              > > > अनेक प्रयागों
              > > > > मे पहला नम्बर दे
              दिया.
              > > > उन्होंने कहा की
              यदि आप
              > > > ऐसा ही करते रहे
              तो एक दिन
              > > > ऐसा
              > > > > आयेगा की आप को
              सोते सोते
              > > > सब मिलेगा. à¤"र आज
              हम बिना
              > > > कुछ किये मजे से
              अपने खेतों
              > > > > से वो सब कुछ ले
              रहे हैं जो
              > > > बड़ी महनत करने पर
              भी
              > > > अनेक लोगों को
              नही मिलता है.
              > > > > इसके बाद अनेक
              लोगों को
              > > > उन्होंने हमारे
              फार्म पर
              > > > कुदरती खेती को
              सीखने के
              > > > लिए
              > > > > भेजा. इन २५
              सालों मे
              > > > हमारे फार्म पर इस
              विधा को
              > > > समझने के लिए केवल
              भारत
              > > > से ही
              > > > > नहीं वरन दुनिया
              भर से
              > > > लोग आते रहे हैं.
              > > > > राजू टाईटस
              > > > >
              > > > > --
              > > > > Raju Titus. Hoshangabad.India.
              > > > > +919179738049.
              > > > > http://picasaweb.google.com/rajuktitus
              > > > >
              > > >
              > >
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            • Yugandhar S
              Dear Kumar, I have sent you the proper link to your personal id yesterday itself. Please check. The link was posted at the end of Brian s email. It was split
              Message 6 of 16 , Aug 26, 2010
                Dear Kumar,
                I have sent you the proper link to your personal id yesterday itself.
                Please check.

                The link was posted at the end of Brian's email. It was split over two
                lines.

                Regards
                Yugandhar

                On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 11:03 AM, S K. KUMARASWAMY <
                skkumaraswamy@...> wrote:

                >
                >
                > Dear yugandar,
                > Where is photo link?
                > Please share here.
                >
                > Regards,
                > swamy
                >
                >
                > -----Original Message-----
                > From: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com <fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com>[mailto:
                > fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com <fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com>] On
                > Behalf Of Yugandhar S
                > Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 10:57 AM
                > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com <fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com>
                > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] Re: VISIT OF FUKUOKA 1988 / Visit to Fukuoka
                > Farms
                >
                > Thanks Dear Brian for those comments. And thanks for the photos link too.
                > The orchard pictures are really awesome and what a landscape that is!!
                >
                > On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 10:41 AM, Ohkubo-Covert <inochi4@...<inochi4%40mac.com>>
                > wrote:
                >
                > >
                > >
                > >
                > >
                > > Dear Yugandhar,
                > >
                > > Thank you very much for your reply.
                > >
                > > Yes, I too feel that I was very lucky (and honored) indeed to have
                > > been able to allowed to spend a couple days at the Fukuoka Farms here
                > > in Japan. It was a once-in-a-lifetime chance.
                > >
                > > > I am saying this because, some earlier e-mails on this group
                > > > seeking the whereabouts of Fukuoka's farm and clarification about
                > > > his son's
                > > > supposed adoption of organic methods on the farm, were unanswered.
                > > >
                > >
                > > I had a chance briefly to meet Masato, the son of the elder Fukuoka,
                > > who came to greet me on my arrival there, but didn't have any time to
                > > talk since he seemed very busy.
                > >
                > > I'm not sure if the language barrier has anything to do with the lack
                > > of communication or information about the above matters you
                > > mentioned, but perhaps that could be one factor. I spoke only
                > > Japanese with the folks at Fukuoka Farms, and for someone who doesn't
                > > speak Japanese, it might be difficult to find out exactly what's
                > > going on there.
                > >
                > > All the Fukuoka Farms people knew, of course, that Fukuoka's original
                > > book *Wara Ippon no Kakumei* has been translated worldwide, including
                > > into the English-language title "The One-Straw Revolution". What
                > > surprised me a bit, though, was that the Fukuoka Farms people didn't
                > > know Fukuoka's original Japanese versions of "The Natural Way of
                > > Farming" and "The Road Back to Nature" had been translated as well.
                > > They were surprised to hear that.
                > >
                > > I got the impression somehow that even with the steady stream of
                > > Japanese and foreign visitors to the farm, there was still something
                > > of an information gap between the folks at the Fukuoka Farms and the
                > > "outside world". That could be due to the language barrier, as I
                > > said, but probably due more so to the fact that they are always busy
                > > planting and harvesting the crops just as Fukuoka did! So again,
                > > perhaps understandable to some degree about the lack of clear
                > > information coming through.
                > >
                > > Since the three photos I attached didn't make it to this list, let me
                > > give you my homepage address where you can find a few more photos I
                > > took of the citrus orchards on the hillsides of the Fukuoka Farms.
                > > Also included are a few photos of a daylong "eco-event" held not far
                > > away from the Fukuoka Farms that same weekend in downtown Matsuyama
                > > city called "Live Earth". (Sorry, all text is in Japanese.)
                > >
                > > > http://web.mac.com/inochi4/iWeb/1F8F7626-
                > > > FC96-4B58-9970-595A3C47263D/photos.html
                > >
                > > Enjoy,
                > >
                > >
                > > Brian Ohkubo Covert
                > > Kawanishi, Hyogo, Japan
                > >
                > > On 2010/08/24, at 21:56, Yugandhar S wrote:
                > >
                > > >
                > > > Dear Brian,
                > > > It is really heartening to know that Fukuoka's legacy is still
                > > > alive today
                > > > on his farm. I am saying this because, some earlier e-mails on this
                > > > group
                > > > seeking the whereabouts of Fukuoka's farm and clarification about
                > > > his son's
                > > > supposed adoption of organic methods on the farm, were unanswered.
                > > >
                > > > You are one of those few lucky ones who could make to his farm. I am
                > > > currently content with my visit to two of the most successful
                > > > natural farms
                > > > of India, belonging to veterans Sri Raju Titus and Sri Kailash
                > > > murthy, and
                > > > few other excellent farms.
                > > >
                > > > Unfortunately, I am unable to see any attachments of photos with
                > > > your email.
                > > > Please do share them.
                > > >
                > > > Best Regards
                > > > Yugandhar
                > > >
                > > > 2010/8/24 Ohkubo-Covert <inochi4@... <inochi4%40mac.com> <inochi4%
                > 40mac.com>>
                >
                > > >
                > > > >
                > > > >
                > > > > Hello,
                > > > >
                > > > > Thanks very much for sharing the stories of Masanobu Fukuoka's visit
                > > > > to India some years ago. It is very heartwarming and inspiring to
                > > > read.
                > > > >
                > > > > I have seen some of Fukuoka's visit to India as it appeared on a
                > > > > Japanese video documentary, and indeed Fukuoka appeared impressed
                > > > > with what he was seeing on Indian farms.
                > > > >
                > > > > Just to let our fellow list members in India and beyond know: I had
                > > > > the chance to visit the Fukuoka Farms on the Japanese island of
                > > > > Shikoku during this summer, and it too was inspiring. More than just
                > > > > a visit, it felt like a kind of sacred pilgrimage to me.
                > > > >
                > > > > I'm including a couple photos I took of the *ama-natsu" citrus fruit
                > > > > orchards located on the hillsides of the Fukuoka Farms. I spent a
                > > > > couple of days at the farm, picking and hauling those fruits \ a
                > > > task
                > > > > that would be hard work on level ground but is even tougher
                > > > > considering that the orchards are all located on steep hillsides.
                > > > >
                > > > > The photos don't begin to show how beautiful and healthy the citrus
                > > > > fruits looked. They were so ripe that they were literally dropping
                > > > > off the trees as we were harvesting them. In one scene across the
                > > > > valley, you can see that some Japanese farmers are still doing it
                > > > the
                > > > > conventional way and apparently have not yet adopted Fukuoka's
                > > > > successful methods.
                > > > >
                > > > > According to some of the Japanese staff of Fukuoka Farms that I
                > > > > talked with, the local Japanese farmers for years were "suspicious"
                > > > > of Fukuoka and withheld their support of what he was trying to do
                > > > > with his natural farming philosophy and methods. Now, they say,
                > > > > Fukuoka's ideas are more accepted by the local farmers and Fukuoka
                > > > > Farms gets support from the local farmers' cooperatives. But it
                > > > > apparently took a long time for it to get that way.
                > > > >
                > > > > Fukuoka Farms continues to use the straw covering for their crops
                > > > > (which I saw there) but they said that they no longer use the seed
                > > > > balls. That seemed to have stopped after Fukuoka passed away, if not
                > > > > before.
                > > > >
                > > > > In addition to the citrus fruits, while I was there Fukuoka Farms
                > > > was
                > > > > also growing lemons, kiwi fruits and mushrooms, all of which I
                > > > helped
                > > > > package and prepare for shipping. They were all beautiful and
                > > > healthy
                > > > > looking.
                > > > >
                > > > > I took a few things from my own home garden in Japan and left them
                > > > > behind in the hillsides of Fukuoka's citrus orchards, so that
                > > > part of
                > > > > me will always be there. The one thing that really struck me as I
                > > > > stood atop the hills that Fukuoka once worked with his own hands for
                > > > > many years was that his spirit very much remains alive there. I
                > > > could
                > > > > feel his strong presence somehow looking out over the valley.
                > > > >
                > > > > I also had a chance to go over to the shady pagoda that he and other
                > > > > foreign visitors helped build some years back. It looked a bit
                > > > out of
                > > > > use, but was just as strong and sturdy as when it was first built. A
                > > > > photo of that is included here. Fukuoka always seemed to take
                > > > special
                > > > > pride in this handmade structure, built without the convenience of
                > > > > modern tools and equipment.
                > > > >
                > > > > It seems that the folks at Fukuoka Farms still get a steady
                > > > stream of
                > > > > visitors from all around Japan and the world, which is incredible
                > > > > when you think about it. My impression is that some of the Japanese
                > > > > staff seemed a bit tired of having to take care of all the
                > > > foreigners
                > > > > passing through, but perhaps that's understandable.
                > > > >
                > > > > Anyway, I just wanted to share a few of my own thoughts about
                > > > > Masanobu Fukuoka and his legacy, which I was so deeply touched to
                > > > > find is alive and well and living on the hillsides near Matsuyama,
                > > > > Japan.
                > > > >
                > > > > Warm regards,
                > > > >
                > > > > Brian Ohkubo Covert
                > > > > Kawanishi, Hyogo, Japan
                > > > >
                > > > >
                > > >
                > >
                > >
                > >
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              • david.keltie@gmail.com
                Briefly: The four principles of natural farming are 1) No cultivation 2) No fertilizer 3) No weeding 4) No pesticides In the UK at least, you can be certified
                Message 7 of 16 , Aug 27, 2010
                  Briefly:

                  The four principles of natural farming are
                  1) No cultivation
                  2) No fertilizer
                  3) No weeding
                  4) No pesticides

                  In the UK at least, you can be certified organic and do 1, 2 (although
                  artificial chemical fertilizers are banned), 3 and 4 (tho there are
                  restrictions on type and extent of pesticides used).

                  As much discussed on this list, many people would claim that elements of 1
                  and 3 (even 2) are necessary in the beginning where the land has been
                  neglected or degraded. Others disagree. However, the aim is to get to the
                  stage where all four principles are followed.

                  At a more fundamental level, the major aim of organic farming is to maximise
                  yield (within agreed constraints) while the aim of natural farming is the
                  perfection of human beings i.e. to be a Fukuoka natural farmer you must
                  become enlightened - realise to the core of your being (not just in your
                  head) that we are a part of, not apart from, nature. Most of us on the list
                  recognise - at least in our heads - that as a fact. A few (not me!) seem to
                  'know' it in a more fundamental sense......

                  Organic is a method of (scientific) farming, natural farming is a way of
                  being.

                  HTH, David




                  2010/8/26 Tom Gibson <camaspermaculture@...>

                  >
                  > I am trying to understand what people on this list mean when they refer
                  > to "organic" vs "natural". Fukuoka's work and natural farming are a
                  > subset of organic as I understand the word. There is something implied
                  > here that I don't understand as if organic was bad. There are good and
                  > bad things about every form of agriculture including organic and natural
                  > but natural is organic although not all organic is natural.
                  >
                  > I would be interested to hear, other than tilling that is done in some
                  > organic and conventional farming, what other differences people think
                  > about when they hear the word organic compared to natural?
                  >
                  > Tom
                  > --- In fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com, Yugandhar S <s.yugandhar@...>
                  > wrote:
                  > >
                  > > Dear Brian,
                  > > It is really heartening to know that Fukuoka's legacy is still alive
                  > today
                  > > on his farm. I am saying this because, some earlier e-mails on this
                  > group
                  > > seeking the whereabouts of Fukuoka's farm and clarification about his
                  > son's
                  > > supposed adoption of organic methods on the farm, were unanswered.
                  > >
                  > > You are one of those few lucky ones who could make to his farm. I am
                  > > currently content with my visit to two of the most successful natural
                  > farms
                  > > of India, belonging to veterans Sri Raju Titus and Sri Kailash murthy,
                  > and
                  > > few other excellent farms.
                  > >
                  > > Unfortunately, I am unable to see any attachments of photos with your
                  > email.
                  > > Please do share them.
                  > >
                  > > Best Regards
                  > > Yugandhar
                  > >
                  > > 2010/8/24 Ohkubo-Covert inochi4@...
                  > >
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > > Hello,
                  > > >
                  > > > Thanks very much for sharing the stories of Masanobu Fukuoka's visit
                  > > > to India some years ago. It is very heartwarming and inspiring to
                  > read.
                  > > >
                  > > > I have seen some of Fukuoka's visit to India as it appeared on a
                  > > > Japanese video documentary, and indeed Fukuoka appeared impressed
                  > > > with what he was seeing on Indian farms.
                  > > >
                  > > > Just to let our fellow list members in India and beyond know: I had
                  > > > the chance to visit the Fukuoka Farms on the Japanese island of
                  > > > Shikoku during this summer, and it too was inspiring. More than just
                  > > > a visit, it felt like a kind of sacred pilgrimage to me.
                  > > >
                  > > > I'm including a couple photos I took of the *ama-natsu" citrus fruit
                  > > > orchards located on the hillsides of the Fukuoka Farms. I spent a
                  > > > couple of days at the farm, picking and hauling those fruits \ a
                  > task
                  > > > that would be hard work on level ground but is even tougher
                  > > > considering that the orchards are all located on steep hillsides.
                  > > >
                  > > > The photos don't begin to show how beautiful and healthy the citrus
                  > > > fruits looked. They were so ripe that they were literally dropping
                  > > > off the trees as we were harvesting them. In one scene across the
                  > > > valley, you can see that some Japanese farmers are still doing it
                  > the
                  > > > conventional way and apparently have not yet adopted Fukuoka's
                  > > > successful methods.
                  > > >
                  > > > According to some of the Japanese staff of Fukuoka Farms that I
                  > > > talked with, the local Japanese farmers for years were "suspicious"
                  > > > of Fukuoka and withheld their support of what he was trying to do
                  > > > with his natural farming philosophy and methods. Now, they say,
                  > > > Fukuoka's ideas are more accepted by the local farmers and Fukuoka
                  > > > Farms gets support from the local farmers' cooperatives. But it
                  > > > apparently took a long time for it to get that way.
                  > > >
                  > > > Fukuoka Farms continues to use the straw covering for their crops
                  > > > (which I saw there) but they said that they no longer use the seed
                  > > > balls. That seemed to have stopped after Fukuoka passed away, if not
                  > > > before.
                  > > >
                  > > > In addition to the citrus fruits, while I was there Fukuoka Farms
                  > was
                  > > > also growing lemons, kiwi fruits and mushrooms, all of which I
                  > helped
                  > > > package and prepare for shipping. They were all beautiful and
                  > healthy
                  > > > looking.
                  > > >
                  > > > I took a few things from my own home garden in Japan and left them
                  > > > behind in the hillsides of Fukuoka's citrus orchards, so that part
                  > of
                  > > > me will always be there. The one thing that really struck me as I
                  > > > stood atop the hills that Fukuoka once worked with his own hands for
                  > > > many years was that his spirit very much remains alive there. I
                  > could
                  > > > feel his strong presence somehow looking out over the valley.
                  > > >
                  > > > I also had a chance to go over to the shady pagoda that he and other
                  > > > foreign visitors helped build some years back. It looked a bit out
                  > of
                  > > > use, but was just as strong and sturdy as when it was first built. A
                  > > > photo of that is included here. Fukuoka always seemed to take
                  > special
                  > > > pride in this handmade structure, built without the convenience of
                  > > > modern tools and equipment.
                  > > >
                  > > > It seems that the folks at Fukuoka Farms still get a steady stream
                  > of
                  > > > visitors from all around Japan and the world, which is incredible
                  > > > when you think about it. My impression is that some of the Japanese
                  > > > staff seemed a bit tired of having to take care of all the
                  > foreigners
                  > > > passing through, but perhaps that's understandable.
                  > > >
                  > > > Anyway, I just wanted to share a few of my own thoughts about
                  > > > Masanobu Fukuoka and his legacy, which I was so deeply touched to
                  > > > find is alive and well and living on the hillsides near Matsuyama,
                  > > > Japan.
                  > > >
                  > > > Warm regards,
                  > > >
                  > > > Brian Ohkubo Covert
                  > > > Kawanishi, Hyogo, Japan
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > > ----------
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > > ----------
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > > ----------
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > > On 2010/08/24, at 18:29, Yugandhar S wrote:
                  > > >
                  > > > >
                  > > > > *Memories from the Natural farming workshop and Seminar - Jul 29
                  > to
                  > > > > Jul 31,
                  > > > > 2010, Davanagere
                  > > > > *
                  > > > > *Fukuoka San's visit - January 1988*
                  > > > >
                  > > > > At the seminar, I was asked what Fukuoka said upon first seeing my
                  > > > > farm on
                  > > > > his maiden visit to India?
                  > > > >
                  > > > > It was in January 1988 when Fukuoka san visited India for the
                  > first
                  > > > > time. He
                  > > > > was invited to India to confer on him the award of 'Desikottam' by
                  > > > > the then
                  > > > > prime minister if India Late. Sri Rajiv Gandhi. Mr.Fukuoka also
                  > > > > lectured in
                  > > > > the Indian Science Congress which was greatly appreciated.
                  > > > >
                  > > > > At the time I was in my third year of natural farming. Except a
                  > > > > copy of 'One
                  > > > > straw revolution', I had no other knowledge of natural farming.
                  > The
                  > > > > only
                  > > > > guide post was to 'Do-nothing'. So, I was just concentrating on
                  > the
                  > > > > internal
                  > > > > and external protection of my farm, by completely stopping all the
                  > > > > wasteful
                  > > > > and dangerous methods of 'Green revolution' alias scientific
                  > > > > farming like
                  > > > > tilling, fertilizers, pescticides, weeding etc, that were
                  > practiced
                  > > > > vigorously those days. My entire farm was covered with tall kaas
                  > > > > grass. I
                  > > > > used to cut these grasses, broadcast the seeds of pulses and
                  > spread
                  > > > > the cut
                  > > > > grasses over the seeds in the winter. I used to irrigate the
                  > fields a
                  > > > > little. I used to harvest good amout of pulses for our needs in
                  > the
                  > > > > winter
                  > > > > in this manner. But due to my in-experience with the method, the
                  > > > > crop was
                  > > > > good at some places and bad at some others.
                  > > > >
                  > > > > In those days, world famous Gandhian and Quaker Marjorie Sykes and
                  > Sri
                  > > > > Partap agarwal were practicing 'Rishi Kheti' at Rasulia near my
                  > > > > place. One
                  > > > > straw revolution's first edition was also brought out at that time
                  > > > > in India.
                  > > > > These things attracted many foreign visitors to Rasulia. The
                  > people
                  > > > > at the
                  > > > > society used to bring these visitors to my farm also to show my
                  > > > > experiments
                  > > > > with natural farming. I was like an old monkey who was unable to
                  > > > > jump from
                  > > > > branch to branch, but was boasting from the ground to the monkey's
                  > > > > on the
                  > > > > tree to look at my mustache, terming them as fools.
                  > > > >
                  > > > > No doubt, there was utmost satisfaction in doing nothing, but the
                  > > > > harvest
                  > > > > was not so great to really entice others. I would fearfully
                  > explain
                  > > > > to the
                  > > > > visitor's my experiences with natural farming. But, even these
                  > small
                  > > > > experiments of mine were very well received and lauded. Lastly,
                  > the
                  > > > > time has
                  > > > > come when the Guru of natural farming himself was to come and see
                  > > > > my farm,
                  > > > > and I was really afraid that this old monkey's real in-experienced
                  > > > > face
                  > > > > would be exposed. Whenever I tried to do something to increase my
                  > > > > experience, I would fail and fall back to do-nothing. The day has
                  > > > > come when
                  > > > > Fukuoka was stationed in Rasulia with his team of many foreign
                  > > > > visitors. Sri
                  > > > > Partap,who introduced Fukuoka to India, was also with them.
                  > > > >
                  > > > > Fukuoka, first saw the field where I previously raised crop many
                  > times
                  > > > > naturally, and whose output I used to consider as negligible. He
                  > very
                  > > > > lovingly said: "I did not know that you are doing natural farming
                  > > > > here so
                  > > > > successfully". I was shocked upon hearing this. I thought that
                  > > > > there must be
                  > > > > some error in translating his comments. His comments in japanese
                  > were
                  > > > > directly and immediately translated to Hindi. Then he said: "See
                  > > > > there are
                  > > > > so many spiders here and their webs. This means that nature is
                  > > > > alive here.
                  > > > > The presence of spiders implies that there are many microbes and
                  > > > > insects
                  > > > > here that improve the land and protect the crops, but are
                  > invisible
                  > > > > to the
                  > > > > eye." He also said that, he could see lot of plants belonging to
                  > > > > the pulses
                  > > > > family in my fields, which provide nitrogen upto the extent of
                  > > > > their shade.
                  > > > > Their roots serve to irrigate the soil and they host enemies of
                  > > > > crop pests
                  > > > > on them. He said that my fields were fully ready to embrace
                  > natural
                  > > > > farming.
                  > > > > Upon venturing further into my fields he ranked my fields at
                  > number
                  > > > > one,
                  > > > > among the many natural farming experiments he saw. He also said
                  > > > > that if I
                  > > > > continue on this path of do-nothing natural farming, a day will
                  > > > > come when I
                  > > > > will reap harvests while lazing on my bed. Today, I am enjoying
                  > all
                  > > > > the
                  > > > > fruits of natural farming in my fields, which many people fail to
                  > get
                  > > > > despite major efforts. Fukuoka later sent many people to my farm
                  > to
                  > > > > see and
                  > > > > learn from my experiences. In the past 25 years, many visitors
                  > from
                  > > > > India
                  > > > > and abroad have visited my farm to see, learn and understand about
                  > > > > natural
                  > > > > farming.
                  > > > >
                  > > > > --Raju Titus
                  > > > >
                  > > > > 2010/8/22 Raju Titus rajuktitus@...
                  > > > >
                  > > > > > *बंगलॠरॠ(
                  > देवेंगेरे २९
                  > > > > से ३१ जॠल.२०१०) की
                  > > > > कारॠयशाला की
                  > यादें.*
                  > > > > > *फॠकॠà¤"का का आगमन
                  > जन. 1988*
                  > > > > > * ज*ब मॠठसे से
                  > पूछा गया
                  > > > > की फॠकॠà¤"काजी ने
                  > जब पहली
                  > > > > बार आपका फारॠम
                  > देखा तो
                  > > > > > वो कॠया बोले.?
                  > > > > > बात जनवरी १९८८ की
                  > है जब
                  > > > > वो पहली बार भारत
                  > पधारे थे
                  > > > > उन दिनों उनॠहें
                  > भारत के
                  > > > > > भूतपूरॠव
                  > पॠरधानंतॠरी
                  > > > > सॠव.शॠरी राजीव
                  > गांधीजी ने
                  > > > > "देशिकोतॠतम" पॠरदान
                  > > > > करने के
                  > > > > > लिठबॠलाया था. वे
                  > > > > दॠनिया की सेर करते
                  > हॠà¤
                  > > > > अमेरिका से सीधे
                  > भारत
                  > > > > पधारे थे. उस
                  > > > > > समय उनॠहोंने
                  > भारतीय
                  > > > > साइंस कोंगॠरेस मे
                  > भी
                  > > > > भाषण दिया था.
                  > जिसे बहॠत
                  > > > > सराहा गया
                  > > > > > था.
                  > > > > > उन दिनों हम
                  > कॠदरती खेती
                  > > > > के तीसरे साल मे
                  > ही थे. "The One-Straw
                  > > > > > Revolution" के अलावा हमारे
                  > पास
                  > > > > कॠदरती खेती करने
                  > का कॠछ
                  > > > > भी जॠञान नहीं
                  > था.
                  > > > > > केवल " कॠछ मत करो"
                  > आधार था.
                  > > > > इस लिठहमने मोजॠदा
                  > > > > "हरित कॠरांति" यानि
                  > > > > > वैजॠञानिक खेती
                  > मे किये
                  > > > > जा रहे तमाम गेर
                  > कॠदरती
                  > > > > कारॠयों को जैसे
                  > जॠताई, खाद,
                  > > > > > दवाई, निंदाई को
                  > बंद कर
                  > > > > खेतों की बाहरी à¤"र
                  > > > > आनॠतरिक सॠरकॠषा पर
                  > धॠयान
                  > > > > लगा रखा
                  > > > > > था. हमारा पूरा खेत
                  > ऊठची
                  > > > > ऊठची "काठस घास" से
                  > भर गठथे.
                  > > > > हम इन घासों को
                  > काट कर
                  > > > > > ठणॠड के मोसम मे
                  > दाल की
                  > > > > फसलों के बीजों
                  > को छिटक कर
                  > > > > उनके उपर कटे हॠà¤
                  > घासों को
                  > > > > > फेला कर हलकी
                  > सिंचाई कर
                  > > > > दिया करते थे इस से
                  > हमें
                  > > > > ठणॠड मे दालों की
                  > फसल मिल
                  > > > > जाती
                  > > > > > थी. चूंकि हम इस
                  > काम
                  > > > > अनॠभवहीन थे इस
                  > लिठफसल
                  > > > > कंही अचॠछी कंही
                  > ख़राब
                  > > > > पैदा हो रही
                  > > > > > थी.
                  > > > > > इनॠही दिनों
                  > रसूलिया मे "The
                  > > > > One-Straw Revolution" के पहले
                  > संसॠकरण के
                  > > > > > छपने के कारण à¤"र
                  > वंहा रह
                  > > > > रहीं जगपॠरसिदॠध
                  > > > > गाठधीवादी कॠवेकर
                  > > > > मारॠजरी सायॠकॠस à¤"र
                  > > > > > परतापजी के दॠवारा
                  > किये
                  > > > > जा रहे "ऋषि खेती"
                  > > > > पॠरयोगों को देखने
                  > के लिà¤
                  > > > > अनेक देशी
                  > > > > > विदेशी महमान आते
                  > रहते
                  > > > > थे जिनॠहें ये लोग
                  > हमारे
                  > > > > यंहा भी हमारे
                  > पॠरयोगों को
                  > > > > > दिखाने के लिà¤
                  > लाया करते
                  > > > > थे. "उन दिनों हम उस
                  > बूॠे
                  > > > > बंदर की तरह थे जिस
                  > से अब
                  > > > > > पेडों पर कूद कूद
                  > कर चलते
                  > > > > नहीं बन रहा था इस
                  > लिठवो
                  > > > > जमीन पर उतर आया था
                  > à¤"र जो
                  > > > > > मूछों पर ताव देते
                  > हॠà¤
                  > > > > ऊपर वाले बंदरों
                  > को
                  > > > > "मूरॠख" बाताते हॠà¤
                  > शेखी
                  > > > > बघार रहा
                  > > > > > था."
                  > > > > > कॠछ मत करो मे
                  > आनंद तो
                  > > > > बहॠत आ रहा हा
                  > किनॠतà¥
                  > > > > खेती मे उतॠपादन
                  > इतना नहीं
                  > > > > > था जो हर किसी को
                  > > > > पॠरभावित कर सके
                  > इस लिठहम
                  > > > > डरे डरे से आने
                  > वाले
                  > > > > महमानों को
                  > > > > > जैसा हो रहा था
                  > वैसा
                  > > > > बाताते रहते थे. इस
                  > से ही
                  > > > > हमें बहॠत आशीरॠवाद
                  > मिल
                  > > > > रहा था.
                  > > > > > किनॠतॠअब समय आ
                  > गया था जब
                  > > > > असली कॠदरती खेती
                  > के गॠरà¥
                  > > > > आने वाले थे हम
                  > बहॠत डरे
                  > > > > > थे की अब "बंदर" की
                  > पोल
                  > > > > खॠलने वाली है.
                  > हमने बहॠत
                  > > > > ताकत लगाई किनॠतॠ"
                  > कॠछ मत
                  > > > > > करो" जब भी हम
                  > कॠछ करते
                  > > > > हैं तो फेल हो
                  > जाते है à¤"र
                  > > > > हॠआ भी वही. à¤"र
                  > वो दिन आ गया
                  > > > > > वे रसूलिया मे à¤
                  > हरे थे
                  > > > > उनके साथ अनेक देश
                  > विदेशी
                  > > > > महमानों की टीम थी.
                  > à¤"र साथ मे
                  > > > > > परॠतापॠजी भी थे
                  > > > > जिनॠहोंने भारत
                  > को
                  > > > > फॠकॠà¤"काजी का
                  > परिचय
                  > > > > कराया है.
                  > > > > > पहले ही खेत मे
                  > जिसमे
                  > > > > हमने अनेक बार बोनी
                  > किया
                  > > > > था फसल हमारे हिसाब
                  > से ना के
                  > > > > > बराबर थी पहॠंचते
                  > ही
                  > > > > उनॠहोंने बड़े
                  > पॠयार से
                  > > > > कहा की मॠठे नहीं
                  > मालूम
                  > > > > था की आप
                  > > > > > यंहा इतनी अचॠछी
                  > खेती
                  > > > > करते हैं. ये सॠन
                  > कर हम
                  > > > > चकरा गठकॠयोंकि
                  > जापानी
                  > > > > भाषा से
                  > > > > > सीधे हिंदी मे
                  > अनॠवाद हो
                  > > > > रहा था हमने सोचा
                  > जरॠर कोई
                  > > > > अनॠवाद की गलती है
                  > फ़िर
                  > > > > > उनॠहोंने कहा की
                  > देखो
                  > > > > यंहा कितनी
                  > मकड़ियाठहै
                  > > > > कितने उनके जाले
                  > (घर) हैं
                  > > > > इस का
                  > > > > > मतलब है क़ॠदरत
                  > यंहा
                  > > > > जिनॠदा है. मकड़ियों
                  > के
                  > > > > रहने से पता चलता
                  > है की
                  > > > > यंहा अनेक
                  > > > > > जमीन को सॠधारने
                  > à¤"र
                  > > > > फसलों को बचाने
                  > वाले कीड़े
                  > > > > à¤"र जीवाणॠहैं जो
                  > आठखों
                  > > > > से दिखाई
                  > > > > > नहीं देते हैं.
                  > दूसरा
                  > > > > उनॠहोंने कहा की
                  > यंहा
                  > > > > अनेक दलहन जाती के
                  > पोधे उग
                  > > > > रहे हैं
                  > > > > > ये जमीन से जितना
                  > उपर
                  > > > > रहते हैं अपनी छाया
                  > के
                  > > > > छेतॠर मे नतॠरजन
                  > सपॠलाई
                  > > > > करने का
                  > > > > > काम करते हैं. à¤"र
                  > जड़ों
                  > > > > से सिंचाई का काम
                  > करते हैं.
                  > > > > इनके उपर फसलों की
                  > > > > बीमारियों
                  > > > > > के दॠशॠमन रहते है.
                  > ये खेत
                  > > > > अब कॠदरती खेती के
                  > लिà¤
                  > > > > पूरी तरह तयार हो
                  > गठहैं. आगे
                  > > > > > के खेतों मे
                  > पहॠठच कर
                  > > > > उनॠहोंने हमें
                  > हमें
                  > > > > उनके दॠवारा देखे
                  > गà¤
                  > > > > अनेक पॠरयागों
                  > > > > > मे पहला नमॠबर दे
                  > दिया.
                  > > > > उनॠहोंने कहा की
                  > यदि आप
                  > > > > ठसा ही करते रहे
                  > तो ठक दिन
                  > > > > ठसा
                  > > > > > आयेगा की आप को
                  > सोते सोते
                  > > > > सब मिलेगा. à¤"र आज
                  > हम बिना
                  > > > > कॠछ किये मजे से
                  > अपने खेतों
                  > > > > > से वो सब कॠछ ले
                  > रहे हैं जो
                  > > > > बड़ी महनत करने पर
                  > भी
                  > > > > अनेक लोगों को
                  > नही मिलता है.
                  > > > > > इसके बाद अनेक
                  > लोगों को
                  > > > > उनॠहोंने हमारे
                  > फारॠम पर
                  > > > > कॠदरती खेती को
                  > सीखने के
                  > > > > लिà¤
                  > > > > > भेजा. इन २५
                  > सालों मे
                  > > > > हमारे फारॠम पर इस
                  > विधा को
                  > > > > समठने के लिठकेवल
                  > भारत
                  > > > > से ही
                  > > > > > नहीं वरन दॠनिया
                  > भर से
                  > > > > लोग आते रहे हैं.
                  > > > > > राजू टाईटस
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > > --
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                  > > > > > +919179738049.
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                • Jean Villafuerte
                  Hi Tom, I would like to believe that I understand what organic vs. natural mean. I beg to disagree that natural is a subset of organic rather I should like
                  Message 8 of 16 , Aug 27, 2010
                    Hi Tom,

                    I would like to believe that I understand what "organic" vs. "natural" mean.

                    I beg to disagree that natural is a subset of organic rather I should like to
                    believe that both "organic" and "natural" are subsets of Sustainable
                    Agriculture.

                    Organic farming uses organic fertilizers and pesticides while natural farming is
                    a "do-nothing" farming. Natural farming is back to the basics - when the first
                    farmers of the earth started agriculture - with a little twist.

                    Fukuoka used "seed balls" rather than cleaning the whole field and then planting
                    seedlings or seeds.

                    I hope I have done my share of explaining. And I hope I am right. Raju Titus
                    is the current natural farming guru.

                    Mabuhay from the Philippines,
                    jean
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                    ________________________________
                    From: Tom Gibson <camaspermaculture@...>
                    To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com
                    Sent: Fri, August 27, 2010 1:33:01 AM
                    Subject: [fukuoka_farming] Re: VISIT OF FUKUOKA 1988 / Visit to Fukuoka Farms



                    I am trying to understand what people on this list mean when they refer
                    to "organic" vs "natural". Fukuoka's work and natural farming are a
                    subset of organic as I understand the word. There is something implied
                    here that I don't understand as if organic was bad. There are good and
                    bad things about every form of agriculture including organic and natural
                    but natural is organic although not all organic is natural.

                    I would be interested to hear, other than tilling that is done in some
                    organic and conventional farming, what other differences people think
                    about when they hear the word organic compared to natural?

                    Tom
                    --- In fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com, Yugandhar S <s.yugandhar@...>
                    wrote:
                    >
                    > Dear Brian,
                    > It is really heartening to know that Fukuoka's legacy is still alive
                    today
                    > on his farm. I am saying this because, some earlier e-mails on this
                    group
                    > seeking the whereabouts of Fukuoka's farm and clarification about his
                    son's
                    > supposed adoption of organic methods on the farm, were unanswered.
                    >
                    > You are one of those few lucky ones who could make to his farm. I am
                    > currently content with my visit to two of the most successful natural
                    farms
                    > of India, belonging to veterans Sri Raju Titus and Sri Kailash murthy,
                    and
                    > few other excellent farms.
                    >
                    > Unfortunately, I am unable to see any attachments of photos with your
                    email.
                    > Please do share them.
                    >
                    > Best Regards
                    > Yugandhar
                    >
                    > 2010/8/24 Ohkubo-Covert inochi4@...
                    >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > Hello,
                    > >
                    > > Thanks very much for sharing the stories of Masanobu Fukuoka's visit
                    > > to India some years ago. It is very heartwarming and inspiring to
                    read.
                    > >
                    > > I have seen some of Fukuoka's visit to India as it appeared on a
                    > > Japanese video documentary, and indeed Fukuoka appeared impressed
                    > > with what he was seeing on Indian farms.
                    > >
                    > > Just to let our fellow list members in India and beyond know: I had
                    > > the chance to visit the Fukuoka Farms on the Japanese island of
                    > > Shikoku during this summer, and it too was inspiring. More than just
                    > > a visit, it felt like a kind of sacred pilgrimage to me.
                    > >
                    > > I'm including a couple photos I took of the *ama-natsu" citrus fruit
                    > > orchards located on the hillsides of the Fukuoka Farms. I spent a
                    > > couple of days at the farm, picking and hauling those fruits \ a
                    task
                    > > that would be hard work on level ground but is even tougher
                    > > considering that the orchards are all located on steep hillsides.
                    > >
                    > > The photos don't begin to show how beautiful and healthy the citrus
                    > > fruits looked. They were so ripe that they were literally dropping
                    > > off the trees as we were harvesting them. In one scene across the
                    > > valley, you can see that some Japanese farmers are still doing it
                    the
                    > > conventional way and apparently have not yet adopted Fukuoka's
                    > > successful methods.
                    > >
                    > > According to some of the Japanese staff of Fukuoka Farms that I
                    > > talked with, the local Japanese farmers for years were "suspicious"
                    > > of Fukuoka and withheld their support of what he was trying to do
                    > > with his natural farming philosophy and methods. Now, they say,
                    > > Fukuoka's ideas are more accepted by the local farmers and Fukuoka
                    > > Farms gets support from the local farmers' cooperatives. But it
                    > > apparently took a long time for it to get that way.
                    > >
                    > > Fukuoka Farms continues to use the straw covering for their crops
                    > > (which I saw there) but they said that they no longer use the seed
                    > > balls. That seemed to have stopped after Fukuoka passed away, if not
                    > > before.
                    > >
                    > > In addition to the citrus fruits, while I was there Fukuoka Farms
                    was
                    > > also growing lemons, kiwi fruits and mushrooms, all of which I
                    helped
                    > > package and prepare for shipping. They were all beautiful and
                    healthy
                    > > looking.
                    > >
                    > > I took a few things from my own home garden in Japan and left them
                    > > behind in the hillsides of Fukuoka's citrus orchards, so that part
                    of
                    > > me will always be there. The one thing that really struck me as I
                    > > stood atop the hills that Fukuoka once worked with his own hands for
                    > > many years was that his spirit very much remains alive there. I
                    could
                    > > feel his strong presence somehow looking out over the valley.
                    > >
                    > > I also had a chance to go over to the shady pagoda that he and other
                    > > foreign visitors helped build some years back. It looked a bit out
                    of
                    > > use, but was just as strong and sturdy as when it was first built. A
                    > > photo of that is included here. Fukuoka always seemed to take
                    special
                    > > pride in this handmade structure, built without the convenience of
                    > > modern tools and equipment.
                    > >
                    > > It seems that the folks at Fukuoka Farms still get a steady stream
                    of
                    > > visitors from all around Japan and the world, which is incredible
                    > > when you think about it. My impression is that some of the Japanese
                    > > staff seemed a bit tired of having to take care of all the
                    foreigners
                    > > passing through, but perhaps that's understandable.
                    > >
                    > > Anyway, I just wanted to share a few of my own thoughts about
                    > > Masanobu Fukuoka and his legacy, which I was so deeply touched to
                    > > find is alive and well and living on the hillsides near Matsuyama,
                    > > Japan.
                    > >
                    > > Warm regards,
                    > >
                    > > Brian Ohkubo Covert
                    > > Kawanishi, Hyogo, Japan
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > ----------
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > ----------
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > ----------
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > On 2010/08/24, at 18:29, Yugandhar S wrote:
                    > >
                    > > >
                    > > > *Memories from the Natural farming workshop and Seminar - Jul 29
                    to
                    > > > Jul 31,
                    > > > 2010, Davanagere
                    > > > *
                    > > > *Fukuoka San's visit - January 1988*
                    > > >
                    > > > At the seminar, I was asked what Fukuoka said upon first seeing my
                    > > > farm on
                    > > > his maiden visit to India?
                    > > >
                    > > > It was in January 1988 when Fukuoka san visited India for the
                    first
                    > > > time. He
                    > > > was invited to India to confer on him the award of 'Desikottam' by
                    > > > the then
                    > > > prime minister if India Late. Sri Rajiv Gandhi. Mr.Fukuoka also
                    > > > lectured in
                    > > > the Indian Science Congress which was greatly appreciated.
                    > > >
                    > > > At the time I was in my third year of natural farming. Except a
                    > > > copy of 'One
                    > > > straw revolution', I had no other knowledge of natural farming.
                    The
                    > > > only
                    > > > guide post was to 'Do-nothing'. So, I was just concentrating on
                    the
                    > > > internal
                    > > > and external protection of my farm, by completely stopping all the
                    > > > wasteful
                    > > > and dangerous methods of 'Green revolution' alias scientific
                    > > > farming like
                    > > > tilling, fertilizers, pescticides, weeding etc, that were
                    practiced
                    > > > vigorously those days. My entire farm was covered with tall kaas
                    > > > grass. I
                    > > > used to cut these grasses, broadcast the seeds of pulses and
                    spread
                    > > > the cut
                    > > > grasses over the seeds in the winter. I used to irrigate the
                    fields a
                    > > > little. I used to harvest good amout of pulses for our needs in
                    the
                    > > > winter
                    > > > in this manner. But due to my in-experience with the method, the
                    > > > crop was
                    > > > good at some places and bad at some others.
                    > > >
                    > > > In those days, world famous Gandhian and Quaker Marjorie Sykes and
                    Sri
                    > > > Partap agarwal were practicing 'Rishi Kheti' at Rasulia near my
                    > > > place. One
                    > > > straw revolution's first edition was also brought out at that time
                    > > > in India.
                    > > > These things attracted many foreign visitors to Rasulia. The
                    people
                    > > > at the
                    > > > society used to bring these visitors to my farm also to show my
                    > > > experiments
                    > > > with natural farming. I was like an old monkey who was unable to
                    > > > jump from
                    > > > branch to branch, but was boasting from the ground to the monkey's
                    > > > on the
                    > > > tree to look at my mustache, terming them as fools.
                    > > >
                    > > > No doubt, there was utmost satisfaction in doing nothing, but the
                    > > > harvest
                    > > > was not so great to really entice others. I would fearfully
                    explain
                    > > > to the
                    > > > visitor's my experiences with natural farming. But, even these
                    small
                    > > > experiments of mine were very well received and lauded. Lastly,
                    the
                    > > > time has
                    > > > come when the Guru of natural farming himself was to come and see
                    > > > my farm,
                    > > > and I was really afraid that this old monkey's real in-experienced
                    > > > face
                    > > > would be exposed. Whenever I tried to do something to increase my
                    > > > experience, I would fail and fall back to do-nothing. The day has
                    > > > come when
                    > > > Fukuoka was stationed in Rasulia with his team of many foreign
                    > > > visitors. Sri
                    > > > Partap,who introduced Fukuoka to India, was also with them.
                    > > >
                    > > > Fukuoka, first saw the field where I previously raised crop many
                    times
                    > > > naturally, and whose output I used to consider as negligible. He
                    very
                    > > > lovingly said: "I did not know that you are doing natural farming
                    > > > here so
                    > > > successfully". I was shocked upon hearing this. I thought that
                    > > > there must be
                    > > > some error in translating his comments. His comments in japanese
                    were
                    > > > directly and immediately translated to Hindi. Then he said: "See
                    > > > there are
                    > > > so many spiders here and their webs. This means that nature is
                    > > > alive here.
                    > > > The presence of spiders implies that there are many microbes and
                    > > > insects
                    > > > here that improve the land and protect the crops, but are
                    invisible
                    > > > to the
                    > > > eye." He also said that, he could see lot of plants belonging to
                    > > > the pulses
                    > > > family in my fields, which provide nitrogen upto the extent of
                    > > > their shade.
                    > > > Their roots serve to irrigate the soil and they host enemies of
                    > > > crop pests
                    > > > on them. He said that my fields were fully ready to embrace
                    natural
                    > > > farming.
                    > > > Upon venturing further into my fields he ranked my fields at
                    number
                    > > > one,
                    > > > among the many natural farming experiments he saw. He also said
                    > > > that if I
                    > > > continue on this path of do-nothing natural farming, a day will
                    > > > come when I
                    > > > will reap harvests while lazing on my bed. Today, I am enjoying
                    all
                    > > > the
                    > > > fruits of natural farming in my fields, which many people fail to
                    get
                    > > > despite major efforts. Fukuoka later sent many people to my farm
                    to
                    > > > see and
                    > > > learn from my experiences. In the past 25 years, many visitors
                    from
                    > > > India
                    > > > and abroad have visited my farm to see, learn and understand about
                    > > > natural
                    > > > farming.
                    > > >
                    > > > --Raju Titus
                    > > >
                    > > > 2010/8/22 Raju Titus rajuktitus@...
                    > > >
                    > > > > *рдмрдВрдЧрд▓реБрд░реБ (
                    рджреЗрд╡реЗрдВрдЧреЗрд░реЗ реиреп
                    > > > рд╕реЗ рейрез рдЬреБрд▓.реирежрезреж) рдХреА
                    > > > рдХрд╛рд░реНрдпрд╢рд╛рд▓рд╛ рдХреА
                    рдпрд╛рджреЗрдВ.*
                    > > > > *рдлреБрдХреБрд"рдХрд╛ рдХрд╛ рдЖрдЧрдорди
                    рдЬрди. 1988*
                    > > > > * рдЬ*рдм рдореБрдЭрд╕реЗ рд╕реЗ
                    рдкреВрдЫрд╛ рдЧрдпрд╛
                    > > > рдХреА рдлреБрдХреБрд"рдХрд╛рдЬреА рдиреЗ
                    рдЬрдм рдкрд╣рд▓реА
                    > > > рдмрд╛рд░ рдЖрдкрдХрд╛ рдлрд╛рд░реНрдо
                    рджреЗрдЦрд╛ рддреЛ
                    > > > > рд╡реЛ рдХреНрдпрд╛ рдмреЛрд▓реЗ.?
                    > > > > рдмрд╛рдд рдЬрдирд╡рд░реА резрепреорео рдХреА
                    рд╣реИ рдЬрдм
                    > > > рд╡реЛ рдкрд╣рд▓реА рдмрд╛рд░ рднрд╛рд░рдд
                    рдкрдзрд╛рд░реЗ рдереЗ
                    > > > рдЙрди рджрд┐рдиреЛрдВ рдЙрдиреНрд╣реЗрдВ
                    рднрд╛рд░рдд рдХреЗ
                    > > > > рднреВрддрдкреВрд░реНрд╡
                    рдкреНрд░рдзрд╛рдирдВрддреНрд░реА
                    > > > рд╕реНрд╡.рд╢реНрд░реА рд░рд╛рдЬреАрд╡
                    рдЧрд╛рдВрдзреАрдЬреА рдиреЗ
                    > > > "рджреЗрд╢рд┐рдХреЛрддреНрддрдо" рдкреНрд░рджрд╛рди
                    > > > рдХрд░рдиреЗ рдХреЗ
                    > > > > рд▓рд┐рдП рдмреБрд▓рд╛рдпрд╛ рдерд╛. рд╡реЗ
                    > > > рджреБрдирд┐рдпрд╛ рдХреА рд╕реЗрд░ рдХрд░рддреЗ
                    рд╣реБрдП
                    > > > рдЕрдореЗрд░рд┐рдХрд╛ рд╕реЗ рд╕реАрдзреЗ
                    рднрд╛рд░рдд
                    > > > рдкрдзрд╛рд░реЗ рдереЗ. рдЙрд╕
                    > > > > рд╕рдордп рдЙрдиреНрд╣реЛрдВрдиреЗ
                    рднрд╛рд░рддреАрдп
                    > > > рд╕рд╛рдЗрдВрд╕ рдХреЛрдВрдЧреНрд░реЗрд╕ рдореЗ
                    рднреА
                    > > > рднрд╛рд╖рдг рджрд┐рдпрд╛ рдерд╛.
                    рдЬрд┐рд╕реЗ рдмрд╣реБрдд
                    > > > рд╕рд░рд╛рд╣рд╛ рдЧрдпрд╛
                    > > > > рдерд╛.
                    > > > > рдЙрди рджрд┐рдиреЛрдВ рд╣рдо
                    рдХреБрджрд░рддреА рдЦреЗрддреА
                    > > > рдХреЗ рддреАрд╕рд░реЗ рд╕рд╛рд▓ рдореЗ
                    рд╣реА рдереЗ. "The One-Straw
                    > > > > Revolution" рдХреЗ рдЕрд▓рд╛рд╡рд╛ рд╣рдорд╛рд░реЗ
                    рдкрд╛рд╕
                    > > > рдХреБрджрд░рддреА рдЦреЗрддреА рдХрд░рдиреЗ
                    рдХрд╛ рдХреБрдЫ
                    > > > рднреА рдЬреНрдЮрд╛рди рдирд╣реАрдВ
                    рдерд╛.
                    > > > > рдХреЗрд╡рд▓ " рдХреБрдЫ рдордд рдХрд░реЛ"
                    рдЖрдзрд╛рд░ рдерд╛.
                    > > > рдЗрд╕ рд▓рд┐рдП рд╣рдордиреЗ рдореЛрдЬреБрджрд╛
                    > > > "рд╣рд░рд┐рдд рдХреНрд░рд╛рдВрддрд┐" рдпрд╛рдирд┐
                    > > > > рд╡реИрдЬреНрдЮрд╛рдирд┐рдХ рдЦреЗрддреА
                    рдореЗ рдХрд┐рдпреЗ
                    > > > рдЬрд╛ рд░рд╣реЗ рддрдорд╛рдо рдЧреЗрд░
                    рдХреБрджрд░рддреА
                    > > > рдХрд╛рд░реНрдпреЛрдВ рдХреЛ рдЬреИрд╕реЗ
                    рдЬреБрддрд╛рдИ, рдЦрд╛рдж,
                    > > > > рджрд╡рд╛рдИ, рдирд┐рдВрджрд╛рдИ рдХреЛ
                    рдмрдВрдж рдХрд░
                    > > > рдЦреЗрддреЛрдВ рдХреА рдмрд╛рд╣рд░реА рд"рд░
                    > > > рдЖрдиреНрддрд░рд┐рдХ рд╕реБрд░рдХреНрд╖рд╛ рдкрд░
                    рдзреНрдпрд╛рди
                    > > > рд▓рдЧрд╛ рд░рдЦрд╛
                    > > > > рдерд╛. рд╣рдорд╛рд░рд╛ рдкреВрд░рд╛ рдЦреЗрдд
                    рдКрдБрдЪреА
                    > > > рдКрдБрдЪреА "рдХрд╛рдБрд╕ рдШрд╛рд╕" рд╕реЗ
                    рднрд░ рдЧрдП рдереЗ.
                    > > > рд╣рдо рдЗрди рдШрд╛рд╕реЛрдВ рдХреЛ
                    рдХрд╛рдЯ рдХрд░
                    > > > > рд рдгреНрдб рдХреЗ рдореЛрд╕рдо рдореЗ
                    рджрд╛рд▓ рдХреА
                    > > > рдлрд╕рд▓реЛрдВ рдХреЗ рдмреАрдЬреЛрдВ
                    рдХреЛ рдЫрд┐рдЯрдХ рдХрд░
                    > > > рдЙрдирдХреЗ рдЙрдкрд░ рдХрдЯреЗ рд╣реБрдП
                    рдШрд╛рд╕реЛрдВ рдХреЛ
                    > > > > рдлреЗрд▓рд╛ рдХрд░ рд╣рд▓рдХреА
                    рд╕рд┐рдВрдЪрд╛рдИ рдХрд░
                    > > > рджрд┐рдпрд╛ рдХрд░рддреЗ рдереЗ рдЗрд╕ рд╕реЗ
                    рд╣рдореЗрдВ
                    > > > рд рдгреНрдб рдореЗ рджрд╛рд▓реЛрдВ рдХреА
                    рдлрд╕рд▓ рдорд┐рд▓
                    > > > рдЬрд╛рддреА
                    > > > > рдереА. рдЪреВрдВрдХрд┐ рд╣рдо рдЗрд╕
                    рдХрд╛рдо
                    > > > рдЕрдиреБрднрд╡рд╣реАрди рдереЗ рдЗрд╕
                    рд▓рд┐рдП рдлрд╕рд▓
                    > > > рдХрдВрд╣реА рдЕрдЪреНрдЫреА рдХрдВрд╣реА
                    рдЦрд╝рд░рд╛рдм
                    > > > рдкреИрджрд╛ рд╣реЛ рд░рд╣реА
                    > > > > рдереА.
                    > > > > рдЗрдиреНрд╣реА рджрд┐рдиреЛрдВ
                    рд░рд╕реВрд▓рд┐рдпрд╛ рдореЗ "The
                    > > > One-Straw Revolution" рдХреЗ рдкрд╣рд▓реЗ
                    рд╕рдВрд╕реНрдХрд░рдг рдХреЗ
                    > > > > рдЫрдкрдиреЗ рдХреЗ рдХрд╛рд░рдг рд"рд░
                    рд╡рдВрд╣рд╛ рд░рд╣
                    > > > рд░рд╣реАрдВ рдЬрдЧрдкреНрд░рд╕рд┐рджреНрдз
                    > > > рдЧрд╛рдБрдзреАрд╡рд╛рджреА рдХреНрд╡реЗрдХрд░
                    > > > рдорд╛рд░реНрдЬрд░реА рд╕рд╛рдпреНрдХреНрд╕ рд"рд░
                    > > > > рдкрд░рддрд╛рдкрдЬреА рдХреЗ рджреНрд╡рд╛рд░рд╛
                    рдХрд┐рдпреЗ
                    > > > рдЬрд╛ рд░рд╣реЗ "рдЛрд╖рд┐ рдЦреЗрддреА"
                    > > > рдкреНрд░рдпреЛрдЧреЛрдВ рдХреЛ рджреЗрдЦрдиреЗ
                    рдХреЗ рд▓рд┐рдП
                    > > > рдЕрдиреЗрдХ рджреЗрд╢реА
                    > > > > рд╡рд┐рджреЗрд╢реА рдорд╣рдорд╛рди рдЖрддреЗ
                    рд░рд╣рддреЗ
                    > > > рдереЗ рдЬрд┐рдиреНрд╣реЗрдВ рдпреЗ рд▓реЛрдЧ
                    рд╣рдорд╛рд░реЗ
                    > > > рдпрдВрд╣рд╛ рднреА рд╣рдорд╛рд░реЗ
                    рдкреНрд░рдпреЛрдЧреЛрдВ рдХреЛ
                    > > > > рджрд┐рдЦрд╛рдиреЗ рдХреЗ рд▓рд┐рдП
                    рд▓рд╛рдпрд╛ рдХрд░рддреЗ
                    > > > рдереЗ. "рдЙрди рджрд┐рдиреЛрдВ рд╣рдо рдЙрд╕
                    рдмреВреЭреЗ
                    > > > рдмрдВрджрд░ рдХреА рддрд░рд╣ рдереЗ рдЬрд┐рд╕
                    рд╕реЗ рдЕрдм
                    > > > > рдкреЗрдбреЛрдВ рдкрд░ рдХреВрдж рдХреВрдж
                    рдХрд░ рдЪрд▓рддреЗ
                    > > > рдирд╣реАрдВ рдмрди рд░рд╣рд╛ рдерд╛ рдЗрд╕
                    рд▓рд┐рдП рд╡реЛ
                    > > > рдЬрдореАрди рдкрд░ рдЙрддрд░ рдЖрдпрд╛ рдерд╛
                    рд"рд░ рдЬреЛ
                    > > > > рдореВрдЫреЛрдВ рдкрд░ рддрд╛рд╡ рджреЗрддреЗ
                    рд╣реБрдП
                    > > > рдКрдкрд░ рд╡рд╛рд▓реЗ рдмрдВрджрд░реЛрдВ
                    рдХреЛ
                    > > > "рдореВрд░реНрдЦ" рдмрд╛рддрд╛рддреЗ рд╣реБрдП
                    рд╢реЗрдЦреА
                    > > > рдмрдШрд╛рд░ рд░рд╣рд╛
                    > > > > рдерд╛."
                    > > > > рдХреБрдЫ рдордд рдХрд░реЛ рдореЗ
                    рдЖрдирдВрдж рддреЛ
                    > > > рдмрд╣реБрдд рдЖ рд░рд╣рд╛ рд╣рд╛
                    рдХрд┐рдиреНрддреБ
                    > > > рдЦреЗрддреА рдореЗ рдЙрддреНрдкрд╛рджрди
                    рдЗрддрдирд╛ рдирд╣реАрдВ
                    > > > > рдерд╛ рдЬреЛ рд╣рд░ рдХрд┐рд╕реА рдХреЛ
                    > > > рдкреНрд░рднрд╛рд╡рд┐рдд рдХрд░ рд╕рдХреЗ
                    рдЗрд╕ рд▓рд┐рдП рд╣рдо
                    > > > рдбрд░реЗ рдбрд░реЗ рд╕реЗ рдЖрдиреЗ
                    рд╡рд╛рд▓реЗ
                    > > > рдорд╣рдорд╛рдиреЛрдВ рдХреЛ
                    > > > > рдЬреИрд╕рд╛ рд╣реЛ рд░рд╣рд╛ рдерд╛
                    рд╡реИрд╕рд╛
                    > > > рдмрд╛рддрд╛рддреЗ рд░рд╣рддреЗ рдереЗ. рдЗрд╕
                    рд╕реЗ рд╣реА
                    > > > рд╣рдореЗрдВ рдмрд╣реБрдд рдЖрд╢реАрд░реНрд╡рд╛рдж
                    рдорд┐рд▓
                    > > > рд░рд╣рд╛ рдерд╛.
                    > > > > рдХрд┐рдиреНрддреБ рдЕрдм рд╕рдордп рдЖ
                    рдЧрдпрд╛ рдерд╛ рдЬрдм
                    > > > рдЕрд╕рд▓реА рдХреБрджрд░рддреА рдЦреЗрддреА
                    рдХреЗ рдЧреБрд░реБ
                    > > > рдЖрдиреЗ рд╡рд╛рд▓реЗ рдереЗ рд╣рдо
                    рдмрд╣реБрдд рдбрд░реЗ
                    > > > > рдереЗ рдХреА рдЕрдм "рдмрдВрджрд░" рдХреА
                    рдкреЛрд▓
                    > > > рдЦреБрд▓рдиреЗ рд╡рд╛рд▓реА рд╣реИ.
                    рд╣рдордиреЗ рдмрд╣реБрдд
                    > > > рддрд╛рдХрдд рд▓рдЧрд╛рдИ рдХрд┐рдиреНрддреБ "
                    рдХреБрдЫ рдордд
                    > > > > рдХрд░реЛ" рдЬрдм рднреА рд╣рдо
                    рдХреБрдЫ рдХрд░рддреЗ
                    > > > рд╣реИрдВ рддреЛ рдлреЗрд▓ рд╣реЛ
                    рдЬрд╛рддреЗ рд╣реИ рд"рд░
                    > > > рд╣реБрдЖ рднреА рд╡рд╣реА. рд"рд░
                    рд╡реЛ рджрд┐рди рдЖ рдЧрдпрд╛
                    > > > > рд╡реЗ рд░рд╕реВрд▓рд┐рдпрд╛ рдореЗ рд
                    рд╣рд░реЗ рдереЗ
                    > > > рдЙрдирдХреЗ рд╕рд╛рде рдЕрдиреЗрдХ рджреЗрд╢
                    рд╡рд┐рджреЗрд╢реА
                    > > > рдорд╣рдорд╛рдиреЛрдВ рдХреА рдЯреАрдо рдереА.
                    рд"рд░ рд╕рд╛рде рдореЗ
                    > > > > рдкрд░реНрддрд╛рдкреНрдЬреА рднреА рдереЗ
                    > > > рдЬрд┐рдиреНрд╣реЛрдВрдиреЗ рднрд╛рд░рдд
                    рдХреЛ
                    > > > рдлреБрдХреБрд"рдХрд╛рдЬреА рдХрд╛
                    рдкрд░рд┐рдЪрдп
                    > > > рдХрд░рд╛рдпрд╛ рд╣реИ.
                    > > > > рдкрд╣рд▓реЗ рд╣реА рдЦреЗрдд рдореЗ
                    рдЬрд┐рд╕рдореЗ
                    > > > рд╣рдордиреЗ рдЕрдиреЗрдХ рдмрд╛рд░ рдмреЛрдиреА
                    рдХрд┐рдпрд╛
                    > > > рдерд╛ рдлрд╕рд▓ рд╣рдорд╛рд░реЗ рд╣рд┐рд╕рд╛рдм
                    рд╕реЗ рдирд╛ рдХреЗ
                    > > > > рдмрд░рд╛рдмрд░ рдереА рдкрд╣реБрдВрдЪрддреЗ
                    рд╣реА
                    > > > рдЙрдиреНрд╣реЛрдВрдиреЗ рдмрдбрд╝реЗ
                    рдкреНрдпрд╛рд░ рд╕реЗ
                    > > > рдХрд╣рд╛ рдХреА рдореБрдЭреЗ рдирд╣реАрдВ
                    рдорд╛рд▓реВрдо
                    > > > рдерд╛ рдХреА рдЖрдк
                    > > > > рдпрдВрд╣рд╛ рдЗрддрдиреА рдЕрдЪреНрдЫреА
                    рдЦреЗрддреА
                    > > > рдХрд░рддреЗ рд╣реИрдВ. рдпреЗ рд╕реБрди
                    рдХрд░ рд╣рдо
                    > > > рдЪрдХрд░рд╛ рдЧрдП рдХреНрдпреЛрдВрдХрд┐
                    рдЬрд╛рдкрд╛рдиреА
                    > > > рднрд╛рд╖рд╛ рд╕реЗ
                    > > > > рд╕реАрдзреЗ рд╣рд┐рдВрджреА рдореЗ
                    рдЕрдиреБрд╡рд╛рдж рд╣реЛ
                    > > > рд░рд╣рд╛ рдерд╛ рд╣рдордиреЗ рд╕реЛрдЪрд╛
                    рдЬрд░реБрд░ рдХреЛрдИ
                    > > > рдЕрдиреБрд╡рд╛рдж рдХреА рдЧрд▓рддреА рд╣реИ
                    рдлрд╝рд┐рд░
                    > > > > рдЙрдиреНрд╣реЛрдВрдиреЗ рдХрд╣рд╛ рдХреА
                    рджреЗрдЦреЛ
                    > > > рдпрдВрд╣рд╛ рдХрд┐рддрдиреА
                    рдордХрдбрд╝рд┐рдпрд╛рдБ рд╣реИ
                    > > > рдХрд┐рддрдиреЗ рдЙрдирдХреЗ рдЬрд╛рд▓реЗ
                    (рдШрд░) рд╣реИрдВ
                    > > > рдЗрд╕ рдХрд╛
                    > > > > рдорддрд▓рдм рд╣реИ рдХрд╝реБрджрд░рдд
                    рдпрдВрд╣рд╛
                    > > > рдЬрд┐рдиреНрджрд╛ рд╣реИ. рдордХрдбрд╝рд┐рдпреЛрдВ
                    рдХреЗ
                    > > > рд░рд╣рдиреЗ рд╕реЗ рдкрддрд╛ рдЪрд▓рддрд╛
                    рд╣реИ рдХреА
                    > > > рдпрдВрд╣рд╛ рдЕрдиреЗрдХ
                    > > > > рдЬрдореАрди рдХреЛ рд╕реБрдзрд╛рд░рдиреЗ
                    рд"рд░
                    > > > рдлрд╕рд▓реЛрдВ рдХреЛ рдмрдЪрд╛рдиреЗ
                    рд╡рд╛рд▓реЗ рдХреАреЬреЗ
                    > > > рд"рд░ рдЬреАрд╡рд╛рдгреБ рд╣реИрдВ рдЬреЛ
                    рдЖрдБрдЦреЛрдВ
                    > > > рд╕реЗ рджрд┐рдЦрд╛рдИ
                    > > > > рдирд╣реАрдВ рджреЗрддреЗ рд╣реИрдВ.
                    рджреВрд╕рд░рд╛
                    > > > рдЙрдиреНрд╣реЛрдВрдиреЗ рдХрд╣рд╛ рдХреА
                    рдпрдВрд╣рд╛
                    > > > рдЕрдиреЗрдХ рджрд▓рд╣рди рдЬрд╛рддреА рдХреЗ
                    рдкреЛрдзреЗ рдЙрдЧ
                    > > > рд░рд╣реЗ рд╣реИрдВ
                    > > > > рдпреЗ рдЬрдореАрди рд╕реЗ рдЬрд┐рддрдирд╛
                    рдЙрдкрд░
                    > > > рд░рд╣рддреЗ рд╣реИрдВ рдЕрдкрдиреА рдЫрд╛рдпрд╛
                    рдХреЗ
                    > > > рдЫреЗрддреНрд░ рдореЗ рдирддреНрд░рдЬрди
                    рд╕рдкреНрд▓рд╛рдИ
                    > > > рдХрд░рдиреЗ рдХрд╛
                    > > > > рдХрд╛рдо рдХрд░рддреЗ рд╣реИрдВ. рд"рд░
                    рдЬреЬреЛрдВ
                    > > > рд╕реЗ рд╕рд┐рдВрдЪрд╛рдИ рдХрд╛ рдХрд╛рдо
                    рдХрд░рддреЗ рд╣реИрдВ.
                    > > > рдЗрдирдХреЗ рдЙрдкрд░ рдлрд╕рд▓реЛрдВ рдХреА
                    > > > рдмреАрдорд╛рд░рд┐рдпреЛрдВ
                    > > > > рдХреЗ рджреБрд╢реНрдорди рд░рд╣рддреЗ рд╣реИ.
                    рдпреЗ рдЦреЗрдд
                    > > > рдЕрдм рдХреБрджрд░рддреА рдЦреЗрддреА рдХреЗ
                    рд▓рд┐рдП
                    > > > рдкреВрд░реА рддрд░рд╣ рддрдпрд╛рд░ рд╣реЛ
                    рдЧрдП рд╣реИрдВ. рдЖрдЧреЗ
                    > > > > рдХреЗ рдЦреЗрддреЛрдВ рдореЗ
                    рдкрд╣реБрдБрдЪ рдХрд░
                    > > > рдЙрдиреНрд╣реЛрдВрдиреЗ рд╣рдореЗрдВ
                    рд╣рдореЗрдВ
                    > > > рдЙрдирдХреЗ рджреНрд╡рд╛рд░рд╛ рджреЗрдЦреЗ
                    рдЧрдП
                    > > > рдЕрдиреЗрдХ рдкреНрд░рдпрд╛рдЧреЛрдВ
                    > > > > рдореЗ рдкрд╣рд▓рд╛ рдирдореНрдмрд░ рджреЗ
                    рджрд┐рдпрд╛.
                    > > > рдЙрдиреНрд╣реЛрдВрдиреЗ рдХрд╣рд╛ рдХреА
                    рдпрджрд┐ рдЖрдк
                    > > > рдРрд╕рд╛ рд╣реА рдХрд░рддреЗ рд░рд╣реЗ
                    рддреЛ рдПрдХ рджрд┐рди
                    > > > рдРрд╕рд╛
                    > > > > рдЖрдпреЗрдЧрд╛ рдХреА рдЖрдк рдХреЛ
                    рд╕реЛрддреЗ рд╕реЛрддреЗ
                    > > > рд╕рдм рдорд┐рд▓реЗрдЧрд╛. рд"рд░ рдЖрдЬ
                    рд╣рдо рдмрд┐рдирд╛
                    > > > рдХреБрдЫ рдХрд┐рдпреЗ рдордЬреЗ рд╕реЗ
                    рдЕрдкрдиреЗ рдЦреЗрддреЛрдВ
                    > > > > рд╕реЗ рд╡реЛ рд╕рдм рдХреБрдЫ рд▓реЗ
                    рд░рд╣реЗ рд╣реИрдВ рдЬреЛ
                    > > > рдмрдбрд╝реА рдорд╣рдирдд рдХрд░рдиреЗ рдкрд░
                    рднреА
                    > > > рдЕрдиреЗрдХ рд▓реЛрдЧреЛрдВ рдХреЛ
                    рдирд╣реА рдорд┐рд▓рддрд╛ рд╣реИ.
                    > > > > рдЗрд╕рдХреЗ рдмрд╛рдж рдЕрдиреЗрдХ
                    рд▓реЛрдЧреЛрдВ рдХреЛ
                    > > > рдЙрдиреНрд╣реЛрдВрдиреЗ рд╣рдорд╛рд░реЗ
                    рдлрд╛рд░реНрдо рдкрд░
                    > > > рдХреБрджрд░рддреА рдЦреЗрддреА рдХреЛ
                    рд╕реАрдЦрдиреЗ рдХреЗ
                    > > > рд▓рд┐рдП
                    > > > > рднреЗрдЬрд╛. рдЗрди реирел
                    рд╕рд╛рд▓реЛрдВ рдореЗ
                    > > > рд╣рдорд╛рд░реЗ рдлрд╛рд░реНрдо рдкрд░ рдЗрд╕
                    рд╡рд┐рдзрд╛ рдХреЛ
                    > > > рд╕рдордЭрдиреЗ рдХреЗ рд▓рд┐рдП рдХреЗрд╡рд▓
                    рднрд╛рд░рдд
                    > > > рд╕реЗ рд╣реА
                    > > > > рдирд╣реАрдВ рд╡рд░рди рджреБрдирд┐рдпрд╛
                    рднрд░ рд╕реЗ
                    > > > рд▓реЛрдЧ рдЖрддреЗ рд░рд╣реЗ рд╣реИрдВ.
                    > > > > рд░рд╛рдЬреВ рдЯрд╛рдИрдЯрд╕
                    > > > >
                    > > > > --
                    > > > > Raju Titus. Hoshangabad.India.
                    > > > > +919179738049.
                    > > > > http://picasaweb.google.com/rajuktitus
                    > > > >
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                  • Tom Gibson
                    David, I don t think the pejorative use of words is useful for communication. I am not sure what you mean by organic being scientific and natural a way of
                    Message 9 of 16 , Aug 27, 2010
                      David,

                      I don't think the pejorative use of words is useful for communication. I
                      am not sure what you mean by organic being scientific and natural a way
                      of being. I think Fukuoka, a scientist, would disagree and point out
                      that real science supports natural farming. Organics, in the U. S. at
                      least, is as much about a rejection of technology while trying to gain a
                      better understanding of and work with the natural world.

                      Essentially the goals of organic farming, at least with the really good
                      organic farmers-not the conventional farmers trying to make more money
                      selling conventionally produced food using some organic methods, is no
                      outside inputs or tilling, not always possible depending on where you
                      live and what your soil is like.

                      I appreciate the distinctions you have drawn but see natural farming
                      principles as a goal, albeit one that may be hard to achieve for some
                      people. My soil has no natural fertility and has to be ammended at first
                      to create some fertility. Good thoughts and wishing won't grow crops if
                      the underlying chemistryand soil biology isn't there. Science isn't a
                      limiting factor for me. It helps me understand what needs to be done to
                      make my almost pure silt, a sand like substance, into fertile
                      biologically active soil that eventually will need very little added
                      other than water to make nutritious food grow here.

                      Tom
                      --- In fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com, david.keltie@... wrote:
                      >
                      > Briefly:
                      >
                      > The four principles of natural farming are
                      > 1) No cultivation
                      > 2) No fertilizer
                      > 3) No weeding
                      > 4) No pesticides
                      >
                      > In the UK at least, you can be certified organic and do 1, 2 (although
                      > artificial chemical fertilizers are banned), 3 and 4 (tho there are
                      > restrictions on type and extent of pesticides used).
                      >
                      > As much discussed on this list, many people would claim that elements
                      of 1
                      > and 3 (even 2) are necessary in the beginning where the land has been
                      > neglected or degraded. Others disagree. However, the aim is to get to
                      the
                      > stage where all four principles are followed.
                      >
                      > At a more fundamental level, the major aim of organic farming is to
                      maximise
                      > yield (within agreed constraints) while the aim of natural farming is
                      the
                      > perfection of human beings i.e. to be a Fukuoka natural farmer you
                      must
                      > become enlightened - realise to the core of your being (not just in
                      your
                      > head) that we are a part of, not apart from, nature. Most of us on the
                      list
                      > recognise - at least in our heads - that as a fact. A few (not me!)
                      seem to
                      > 'know' it in a more fundamental sense......
                      >
                      > Organic is a method of (scientific) farming, natural farming is a way
                      of
                      > being.
                      >
                      > HTH, David
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > 2010/8/26 Tom Gibson camaspermaculture@...
                      >
                      > >
                      > > I am trying to understand what people on this list mean when they
                      refer
                      > > to "organic" vs "natural". Fukuoka's work and natural farming are a
                      > > subset of organic as I understand the word. There is something
                      implied
                      > > here that I don't understand as if organic was bad. There are good
                      and
                      > > bad things about every form of agriculture including organic and
                      natural
                      > > but natural is organic although not all organic is natural.
                      > >
                      > > I would be interested to hear, other than tilling that is done in
                      some
                      > > organic and conventional farming, what other differences people
                      think
                      > > about when they hear the word organic compared to natural?
                      > >
                      > > Tom
                      > > --- In fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com, Yugandhar S s.yugandhar@
                      > > wrote:
                      > > >
                      > > > Dear Brian,
                      > > > It is really heartening to know that Fukuoka's legacy is still
                      alive
                      > > today
                      > > > on his farm. I am saying this because, some earlier e-mails on
                      this
                      > > group
                      > > > seeking the whereabouts of Fukuoka's farm and clarification about
                      his
                      > > son's
                      > > > supposed adoption of organic methods on the farm, were unanswered.
                      > > >
                      > > > You are one of those few lucky ones who could make to his farm. I
                      am
                      > > > currently content with my visit to two of the most successful
                      natural
                      > > farms
                      > > > of India, belonging to veterans Sri Raju Titus and Sri Kailash
                      murthy,
                      > > and
                      > > > few other excellent farms.
                      > > >
                      > > > Unfortunately, I am unable to see any attachments of photos with
                      your
                      > > email.
                      > > > Please do share them.
                      > > >
                      > > > Best Regards
                      > > > Yugandhar
                      > > >
                      > > > 2010/8/24 Ohkubo-Covert inochi4@
                      > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > > > Hello,
                      > > > >
                      > > > > Thanks very much for sharing the stories of Masanobu Fukuoka's
                      visit
                      > > > > to India some years ago. It is very heartwarming and inspiring
                      to
                      > > read.
                      > > > >
                      > > > > I have seen some of Fukuoka's visit to India as it appeared on a
                      > > > > Japanese video documentary, and indeed Fukuoka appeared
                      impressed
                      > > > > with what he was seeing on Indian farms.
                      > > > >
                      > > > > Just to let our fellow list members in India and beyond know: I
                      had
                      > > > > the chance to visit the Fukuoka Farms on the Japanese island of
                      > > > > Shikoku during this summer, and it too was inspiring. More than
                      just
                      > > > > a visit, it felt like a kind of sacred pilgrimage to me.
                      > > > >
                      > > > > I'm including a couple photos I took of the *ama-natsu" citrus
                      fruit
                      > > > > orchards located on the hillsides of the Fukuoka Farms. I spent
                      a
                      > > > > couple of days at the farm, picking and hauling those fruits \ a
                      > > task
                      > > > > that would be hard work on level ground but is even tougher
                      > > > > considering that the orchards are all located on steep
                      hillsides.
                      > > > >
                      > > > > The photos don't begin to show how beautiful and healthy the
                      citrus
                      > > > > fruits looked. They were so ripe that they were literally
                      dropping
                      > > > > off the trees as we were harvesting them. In one scene across
                      the
                      > > > > valley, you can see that some Japanese farmers are still doing
                      it
                      > > the
                      > > > > conventional way and apparently have not yet adopted Fukuoka's
                      > > > > successful methods.
                      > > > >
                      > > > > According to some of the Japanese staff of Fukuoka Farms that I
                      > > > > talked with, the local Japanese farmers for years were
                      "suspicious"
                      > > > > of Fukuoka and withheld their support of what he was trying to
                      do
                      > > > > with his natural farming philosophy and methods. Now, they say,
                      > > > > Fukuoka's ideas are more accepted by the local farmers and
                      Fukuoka
                      > > > > Farms gets support from the local farmers' cooperatives. But it
                      > > > > apparently took a long time for it to get that way.
                      > > > >
                      > > > > Fukuoka Farms continues to use the straw covering for their
                      crops
                      > > > > (which I saw there) but they said that they no longer use the
                      seed
                      > > > > balls. That seemed to have stopped after Fukuoka passed away, if
                      not
                      > > > > before.
                      > > > >
                      > > > > In addition to the citrus fruits, while I was there Fukuoka
                      Farms
                      > > was
                      > > > > also growing lemons, kiwi fruits and mushrooms, all of which I
                      > > helped
                      > > > > package and prepare for shipping. They were all beautiful and
                      > > healthy
                      > > > > looking.
                      > > > >
                      > > > > I took a few things from my own home garden in Japan and left
                      them
                      > > > > behind in the hillsides of Fukuoka's citrus orchards, so that
                      part
                      > > of
                      > > > > me will always be there. The one thing that really struck me as
                      I
                      > > > > stood atop the hills that Fukuoka once worked with his own hands
                      for
                      > > > > many years was that his spirit very much remains alive there. I
                      > > could
                      > > > > feel his strong presence somehow looking out over the valley.
                      > > > >
                      > > > > I also had a chance to go over to the shady pagoda that he and
                      other
                      > > > > foreign visitors helped build some years back. It looked a bit
                      out
                      > > of
                      > > > > use, but was just as strong and sturdy as when it was first
                      built. A
                      > > > > photo of that is included here. Fukuoka always seemed to take
                      > > special
                      > > > > pride in this handmade structure, built without the convenience
                      of
                      > > > > modern tools and equipment.
                      > > > >
                      > > > > It seems that the folks at Fukuoka Farms still get a steady
                      stream
                      > > of
                      > > > > visitors from all around Japan and the world, which is
                      incredible
                      > > > > when you think about it. My impression is that some of the
                      Japanese
                      > > > > staff seemed a bit tired of having to take care of all the
                      > > foreigners
                      > > > > passing through, but perhaps that's understandable.
                      > > > >
                      > > > > Anyway, I just wanted to share a few of my own thoughts about
                      > > > > Masanobu Fukuoka and his legacy, which I was so deeply touched
                      to
                      > > > > find is alive and well and living on the hillsides near
                      Matsuyama,
                      > > > > Japan.
                      > > > >
                      > > > > Warm regards,
                      > > > >
                      > > > > Brian Ohkubo Covert
                      > > > > Kawanishi, Hyogo, Japan
                      > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > > > ----------
                      > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > > > ----------
                      > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > > > ----------
                      > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > > > On 2010/08/24, at 18:29, Yugandhar S wrote:
                      > > > >
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > *Memories from the Natural farming workshop and Seminar - Jul
                      29
                      > > to
                      > > > > > Jul 31,
                      > > > > > 2010, Davanagere
                      > > > > > *
                      > > > > > *Fukuoka San's visit - January 1988*
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > At the seminar, I was asked what Fukuoka said upon first
                      seeing my
                      > > > > > farm on
                      > > > > > his maiden visit to India?
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > It was in January 1988 when Fukuoka san visited India for the
                      > > first
                      > > > > > time. He
                      > > > > > was invited to India to confer on him the award of
                      'Desikottam' by
                      > > > > > the then
                      > > > > > prime minister if India Late. Sri Rajiv Gandhi. Mr.Fukuoka
                      also
                      > > > > > lectured in
                      > > > > > the Indian Science Congress which was greatly appreciated.
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > At the time I was in my third year of natural farming. Except
                      a
                      > > > > > copy of 'One
                      > > > > > straw revolution', I had no other knowledge of natural
                      farming.
                      > > The
                      > > > > > only
                      > > > > > guide post was to 'Do-nothing'. So, I was just concentrating
                      on
                      > > the
                      > > > > > internal
                      > > > > > and external protection of my farm, by completely stopping all
                      the
                      > > > > > wasteful
                      > > > > > and dangerous methods of 'Green revolution' alias scientific
                      > > > > > farming like
                      > > > > > tilling, fertilizers, pescticides, weeding etc, that were
                      > > practiced
                      > > > > > vigorously those days. My entire farm was covered with tall
                      kaas
                      > > > > > grass. I
                      > > > > > used to cut these grasses, broadcast the seeds of pulses and
                      > > spread
                      > > > > > the cut
                      > > > > > grasses over the seeds in the winter. I used to irrigate the
                      > > fields a
                      > > > > > little. I used to harvest good amout of pulses for our needs
                      in
                      > > the
                      > > > > > winter
                      > > > > > in this manner. But due to my in-experience with the method,
                      the
                      > > > > > crop was
                      > > > > > good at some places and bad at some others.
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > In those days, world famous Gandhian and Quaker Marjorie Sykes
                      and
                      > > Sri
                      > > > > > Partap agarwal were practicing 'Rishi Kheti' at Rasulia near
                      my
                      > > > > > place. One
                      > > > > > straw revolution's first edition was also brought out at that
                      time
                      > > > > > in India.
                      > > > > > These things attracted many foreign visitors to Rasulia. The
                      > > people
                      > > > > > at the
                      > > > > > society used to bring these visitors to my farm also to show
                      my
                      > > > > > experiments
                      > > > > > with natural farming. I was like an old monkey who was unable
                      to
                      > > > > > jump from
                      > > > > > branch to branch, but was boasting from the ground to the
                      monkey's
                      > > > > > on the
                      > > > > > tree to look at my mustache, terming them as fools.
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > No doubt, there was utmost satisfaction in doing nothing, but
                      the
                      > > > > > harvest
                      > > > > > was not so great to really entice others. I would fearfully
                      > > explain
                      > > > > > to the
                      > > > > > visitor's my experiences with natural farming. But, even these
                      > > small
                      > > > > > experiments of mine were very well received and lauded.
                      Lastly,
                      > > the
                      > > > > > time has
                      > > > > > come when the Guru of natural farming himself was to come and
                      see
                      > > > > > my farm,
                      > > > > > and I was really afraid that this old monkey's real
                      in-experienced
                      > > > > > face
                      > > > > > would be exposed. Whenever I tried to do something to increase
                      my
                      > > > > > experience, I would fail and fall back to do-nothing. The day
                      has
                      > > > > > come when
                      > > > > > Fukuoka was stationed in Rasulia with his team of many foreign
                      > > > > > visitors. Sri
                      > > > > > Partap,who introduced Fukuoka to India, was also with them.
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > Fukuoka, first saw the field where I previously raised crop
                      many
                      > > times
                      > > > > > naturally, and whose output I used to consider as negligible.
                      He
                      > > very
                      > > > > > lovingly said: "I did not know that you are doing natural
                      farming
                      > > > > > here so
                      > > > > > successfully". I was shocked upon hearing this. I thought that
                      > > > > > there must be
                      > > > > > some error in translating his comments. His comments in
                      japanese
                      > > were
                      > > > > > directly and immediately translated to Hindi. Then he said:
                      "See
                      > > > > > there are
                      > > > > > so many spiders here and their webs. This means that nature is
                      > > > > > alive here.
                      > > > > > The presence of spiders implies that there are many microbes
                      and
                      > > > > > insects
                      > > > > > here that improve the land and protect the crops, but are
                      > > invisible
                      > > > > > to the
                      > > > > > eye." He also said that, he could see lot of plants belonging
                      to
                      > > > > > the pulses
                      > > > > > family in my fields, which provide nitrogen upto the extent of
                      > > > > > their shade.
                      > > > > > Their roots serve to irrigate the soil and they host enemies
                      of
                      > > > > > crop pests
                      > > > > > on them. He said that my fields were fully ready to embrace
                      > > natural
                      > > > > > farming.
                      > > > > > Upon venturing further into my fields he ranked my fields at
                      > > number
                      > > > > > one,
                      > > > > > among the many natural farming experiments he saw. He also
                      said
                      > > > > > that if I
                      > > > > > continue on this path of do-nothing natural farming, a day
                      will
                      > > > > > come when I
                      > > > > > will reap harvests while lazing on my bed. Today, I am
                      enjoying
                      > > all
                      > > > > > the
                      > > > > > fruits of natural farming in my fields, which many people fail
                      to
                      > > get
                      > > > > > despite major efforts. Fukuoka later sent many people to my
                      farm
                      > > to
                      > > > > > see and
                      > > > > > learn from my experiences. In the past 25 years, many visitors
                      > > from
                      > > > > > India
                      > > > > > and abroad have visited my farm to see, learn and understand
                      about
                      > > > > > natural
                      > > > > > farming.
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > --Raju Titus
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > 2010/8/22 Raju Titus rajuktitus@
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                      Dear Yugandhar, Thank you for this informative report on the Fukuoka farm. I was interested in the fact that seedballs were not being used. I have always felt
                      Message 10 of 16 , Aug 27, 2010
                        Dear Yugandhar,

                        Thank you for this informative report on the Fukuoka farm. I was interested in
                        the fact that seedballs were not being used. I have always felt that the
                        preparation of seedballs seemed laborious and contrary to the philosophy of do
                        nothing farming. Seedballs seem to be a hard thing for people to get familiar
                        with and may deter gardeners from trying natural farming methods. It makes sense
                        to me that seedballs would play an important role in reversing desertification
                        but their use in ordinary gardening and farming seems limited. My experience has
                        been that the timing of seeding is the most important consideration. It is good
                        to hear that the farm is functional and is still a place of learning. Thanks,
                        Steve G.






                        ________________________________
                        From: Yugandhar S <s.yugandhar@...>
                        To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com
                        Sent: Fri, August 27, 2010 12:32:15 AM
                        Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] Re: VISIT OF FUKUOKA 1988 / Visit to Fukuoka
                        Farms

                        Dear Kumar,
                        I have sent you the proper link to your personal id yesterday itself.
                        Please check.

                        The link was posted at the end of Brian's email. It was split over two
                        lines.

                        Regards
                        Yugandhar

                        On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 11:03 AM, S K. KUMARASWAMY <
                        skkumaraswamy@...> wrote:

                        >
                        >
                        > Dear yugandar,
                        > Where is photo link?
                        > Please share here.
                        >
                        > Regards,
                        > swamy
                        >
                        >
                        > -----Original Message-----
                        > From: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com
                        ><fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com>[mailto:
                        > fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com <fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com>] On
                        > Behalf Of Yugandhar S
                        > Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 10:57 AM
                        > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com <fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com>
                        > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] Re: VISIT OF FUKUOKA 1988 / Visit to Fukuoka
                        > Farms
                        >
                        > Thanks Dear Brian for those comments. And thanks for the photos link too.
                        > The orchard pictures are really awesome and what a landscape that is!!
                        >
                        > On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 10:41 AM, Ohkubo-Covert
                        ><inochi4@...<inochi4%40mac.com>>
                        > wrote:
                        >
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > Dear Yugandhar,
                        > >
                        > > Thank you very much for your reply.
                        > >
                        > > Yes, I too feel that I was very lucky (and honored) indeed to have
                        > > been able to allowed to spend a couple days at the Fukuoka Farms here
                        > > in Japan. It was a once-in-a-lifetime chance.
                        > >
                        > > > I am saying this because, some earlier e-mails on this group
                        > > > seeking the whereabouts of Fukuoka's farm and clarification about
                        > > > his son's
                        > > > supposed adoption of organic methods on the farm, were unanswered.
                        > > >
                        > >
                        > > I had a chance briefly to meet Masato, the son of the elder Fukuoka,
                        > > who came to greet me on my arrival there, but didn't have any time to
                        > > talk since he seemed very busy.
                        > >
                        > > I'm not sure if the language barrier has anything to do with the lack
                        > > of communication or information about the above matters you
                        > > mentioned, but perhaps that could be one factor. I spoke only
                        > > Japanese with the folks at Fukuoka Farms, and for someone who doesn't
                        > > speak Japanese, it might be difficult to find out exactly what's
                        > > going on there.
                        > >
                        > > All the Fukuoka Farms people knew, of course, that Fukuoka's original
                        > > book *Wara Ippon no Kakumei* has been translated worldwide, including
                        > > into the English-language title "The One-Straw Revolution". What
                        > > surprised me a bit, though, was that the Fukuoka Farms people didn't
                        > > know Fukuoka's original Japanese versions of "The Natural Way of
                        > > Farming" and "The Road Back to Nature" had been translated as well.
                        > > They were surprised to hear that.
                        > >
                        > > I got the impression somehow that even with the steady stream of
                        > > Japanese and foreign visitors to the farm, there was still something
                        > > of an information gap between the folks at the Fukuoka Farms and the
                        > > "outside world". That could be due to the language barrier, as I
                        > > said, but probably due more so to the fact that they are always busy
                        > > planting and harvesting the crops just as Fukuoka did! So again,
                        > > perhaps understandable to some degree about the lack of clear
                        > > information coming through.
                        > >
                        > > Since the three photos I attached didn't make it to this list, let me
                        > > give you my homepage address where you can find a few more photos I
                        > > took of the citrus orchards on the hillsides of the Fukuoka Farms.
                        > > Also included are a few photos of a daylong "eco-event" held not far
                        > > away from the Fukuoka Farms that same weekend in downtown Matsuyama
                        > > city called "Live Earth". (Sorry, all text is in Japanese.)
                        > >
                        > > > http://web.mac.com/inochi4/iWeb/1F8F7626-
                        > > > FC96-4B58-9970-595A3C47263D/photos.html
                        > >
                        > > Enjoy,
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > Brian Ohkubo Covert
                        > > Kawanishi, Hyogo, Japan
                        > >
                        > > On 2010/08/24, at 21:56, Yugandhar S wrote:
                        > >
                        > > >
                        > > > Dear Brian,
                        > > > It is really heartening to know that Fukuoka's legacy is still
                        > > > alive today
                        > > > on his farm. I am saying this because, some earlier e-mails on this
                        > > > group
                        > > > seeking the whereabouts of Fukuoka's farm and clarification about
                        > > > his son's
                        > > > supposed adoption of organic methods on the farm, were unanswered.
                        > > >
                        > > > You are one of those few lucky ones who could make to his farm. I am
                        > > > currently content with my visit to two of the most successful
                        > > > natural farms
                        > > > of India, belonging to veterans Sri Raju Titus and Sri Kailash
                        > > > murthy, and
                        > > > few other excellent farms.
                        > > >
                        > > > Unfortunately, I am unable to see any attachments of photos with
                        > > > your email.
                        > > > Please do share them.
                        > > >
                        > > > Best Regards
                        > > > Yugandhar
                        > > >
                        > > > 2010/8/24 Ohkubo-Covert <inochi4@... <inochi4%40mac.com> <inochi4%
                        > 40mac.com>>
                        >
                        > > >
                        > > > >
                        > > > >
                        > > > > Hello,
                        > > > >
                        > > > > Thanks very much for sharing the stories of Masanobu Fukuoka's visit
                        > > > > to India some years ago. It is very heartwarming and inspiring to
                        > > > read.
                        > > > >
                        > > > > I have seen some of Fukuoka's visit to India as it appeared on a
                        > > > > Japanese video documentary, and indeed Fukuoka appeared impressed
                        > > > > with what he was seeing on Indian farms.
                        > > > >
                        > > > > Just to let our fellow list members in India and beyond know: I had
                        > > > > the chance to visit the Fukuoka Farms on the Japanese island of
                        > > > > Shikoku during this summer, and it too was inspiring. More than just
                        > > > > a visit, it felt like a kind of sacred pilgrimage to me.
                        > > > >
                        > > > > I'm including a couple photos I took of the *ama-natsu" citrus fruit
                        > > > > orchards located on the hillsides of the Fukuoka Farms. I spent a
                        > > > > couple of days at the farm, picking and hauling those fruits \ a
                        > > > task
                        > > > > that would be hard work on level ground but is even tougher
                        > > > > considering that the orchards are all located on steep hillsides.
                        > > > >
                        > > > > The photos don't begin to show how beautiful and healthy the citrus
                        > > > > fruits looked. They were so ripe that they were literally dropping
                        > > > > off the trees as we were harvesting them. In one scene across the
                        > > > > valley, you can see that some Japanese farmers are still doing it
                        > > > the
                        > > > > conventional way and apparently have not yet adopted Fukuoka's
                        > > > > successful methods.
                        > > > >
                        > > > > According to some of the Japanese staff of Fukuoka Farms that I
                        > > > > talked with, the local Japanese farmers for years were "suspicious"
                        > > > > of Fukuoka and withheld their support of what he was trying to do
                        > > > > with his natural farming philosophy and methods. Now, they say,
                        > > > > Fukuoka's ideas are more accepted by the local farmers and Fukuoka
                        > > > > Farms gets support from the local farmers' cooperatives. But it
                        > > > > apparently took a long time for it to get that way.
                        > > > >
                        > > > > Fukuoka Farms continues to use the straw covering for their crops
                        > > > > (which I saw there) but they said that they no longer use the seed
                        > > > > balls. That seemed to have stopped after Fukuoka passed away, if not
                        > > > > before.
                        > > > >
                        > > > > In addition to the citrus fruits, while I was there Fukuoka Farms
                        > > > was
                        > > > > also growing lemons, kiwi fruits and mushrooms, all of which I
                        > > > helped
                        > > > > package and prepare for shipping. They were all beautiful and
                        > > > healthy
                        > > > > looking.
                        > > > >
                        > > > > I took a few things from my own home garden in Japan and left them
                        > > > > behind in the hillsides of Fukuoka's citrus orchards, so that
                        > > > part of
                        > > > > me will always be there. The one thing that really struck me as I
                        > > > > stood atop the hills that Fukuoka once worked with his own hands for
                        > > > > many years was that his spirit very much remains alive there. I
                        > > > could
                        > > > > feel his strong presence somehow looking out over the valley.
                        > > > >
                        > > > > I also had a chance to go over to the shady pagoda that he and other
                        > > > > foreign visitors helped build some years back. It looked a bit
                        > > > out of
                        > > > > use, but was just as strong and sturdy as when it was first built. A
                        > > > > photo of that is included here. Fukuoka always seemed to take
                        > > > special
                        > > > > pride in this handmade structure, built without the convenience of
                        > > > > modern tools and equipment.
                        > > > >
                        > > > > It seems that the folks at Fukuoka Farms still get a steady
                        > > > stream of
                        > > > > visitors from all around Japan and the world, which is incredible
                        > > > > when you think about it. My impression is that some of the Japanese
                        > > > > staff seemed a bit tired of having to take care of all the
                        > > > foreigners
                        > > > > passing through, but perhaps that's understandable.
                        > > > >
                        > > > > Anyway, I just wanted to share a few of my own thoughts about
                        > > > > Masanobu Fukuoka and his legacy, which I was so deeply touched to
                        > > > > find is alive and well and living on the hillsides near Matsuyama,
                        > > > > Japan.
                        > > > >
                        > > > > Warm regards,
                        > > > >
                        > > > > Brian Ohkubo Covert
                        > > > > Kawanishi, Hyogo, Japan
                        > > > >
                        > > > >
                        > > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >
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