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  • Raju Titus
    *अंतरराष्ट्रीय जैव विविधता दिवस * *आ*ज दिनांक २२ मई २०१० को
    Message 1 of 12 , May 27, 2010
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      *अंतरराष्ट्रीय जैव विविधता दिवस *
      *आ*ज दिनांक २२ मई २०१० को हमारे शहर मे नर्मदा विद्यालय मे वन्स्पतिशात्र
      विभाग के द्वारा " अन्तर राष्ट्रीय जैव विवधता दिवस" का आयोजन किया गया जिसमे
      अनेक शोध करता विद्यार्थी, प्रोफेसर्स, समाज सेवक, वन अधिकारी और नागरिक मोजूद
      थे. ये दिवस जान सामान्य को हमारे पर्यावरण के प्रति जागरूक बनाने के उद्देश्य
      से आयोजित किया गया था. वनस्पति शास्त्र के छात्रों और प्रोफेसर लोगों ने इस
      छेत्र मे किये जा रहे शोध और कार्यों का विवरण प्रस्तुत किया.
      इस कार्यक्रम की सब से बड़ी उपलब्धता ये है की इस मे मुझे कुदरती खेती को करने
      के लिए सम्मानित किया गया. ऐसा सम्मान हमारे शहर मे ये दूसरी बार किया गया
      है. ये सम्मान मेरा नहीं वरन फुकुओकाजी का है. मैंने अपने मे उद्भोधन कहा की
      " मैंने कभी नहीं सोचा था की जिस महविद्यालय मे' पास' कम 'फ़ैल 'अधिक हुआ हूँ
      उसमे मुझे ये सम्मान मिलेगा. मैंने ये भी बताया की ये मेरे दुर्भाग्य था मैने
      इस महाविद्यालय से विज्ञानं मे डिग्री हासिल की इस के कारण विज्ञानं पर बहुत
      भरोसा हो गया था और इसी लिए मैंने करीब १५ साल वैज्ञानिक खेती मे अपना समय
      बर्बाद किया जिस से एक ओर जंहा हमारे खेत बर्बाद हो गए थे वंही हम कंगाल होने
      लगे थे. वो तो भला हो "The One Straw Revolution" का जिसने हमें और हमारी जमीन
      को बचा लिया.
      इस आयोजन के लिए और "फुकुओका फार्मिग" (ऋषि खेती) को सम्मानित करने के लिए हम
      दिल से इस कोलेज के प्रचार्यजी प्रोफेसर और विद्यार्थीगन को धन्यवाद देते हैं.
      (Translation by Yugandher)

      International Biodiversity day - 22nd May

      On 22nd May 2010, International Biodiversity day was celebrated by Plant
      science department of Narmada University, Hoshangabad. It was attended by
      many research students, professors, social activists, forest officials and
      citizens. The event was organized to bring awareness and sensitivity towards
      nature in the common man. Students and professors of the department
      presented their findings about the research being conducted in their
      respective fields.
      As part of this programme, I was honoured for practising natural
      farming. This is the second time I was honoured in my city. I believe, this
      honour goes to Fukuoka and not me. During my speech to the delegates and
      attendees, I said "I never thought that I would be honoured by a university
      where I 'failed' more times than I 'passed'. It is also unfortunate that I
      obtained a scientific degree from this university, due to which I was very
      confident on science and wasted 15 valuable years in doing scientific
      farming. Moreover, my lands were destroyed and I was ruined. 'The one straw
      revolution', however saved me and my lands."

      I sincerely thank all the students and professors of this college for
      organizing this event and honouring 'Fukuoka's natural farming'


      --
      Raju Titus. Hoshangabad.India.
      +919179738049.
      http://picasaweb.google.com/rajuktitus


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    • 倩 冯
      Dear friends,   I am considering to buy a land in a few years.I will  learn agriculture in a college for 3 years.After that,I can get 45000canadian dollar
      Message 2 of 12 , May 29, 2010
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        Dear friends,
         
        I am considering to buy a land in a few years.I will  learn agriculture in a college for 3 years.After that,I can get 45000canadian dollar from the government.
         
        I am from china,I know that in china ,most farmers only have 1 or 2 acres.But in canada,they could have more than 100acres.
         
        I would like to know the right size for a person to start natural farming.That will be good for me.
         
        Best wishes
         
        Christine
         




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      • backwaterjon
        ... Dear friends,   I am considering to buy a land in a few years.I will  learn agriculture in a college for 3 years.After that,I can get 45000canadian
        Message 3 of 12 , May 29, 2010
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          --- In fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com, 倩 冯 <crystalfengqian@...> wrote:

          Dear friends,
           
          I am considering to buy a land in a few years.I will  learn agriculture in a college for 3 years.After that,I can get 45000canadian dollar from the government.
           
          I am from china,I know that in china ,most farmers only have 1 or 2 acres.But in canada,they could have more than 100acres.
           
          I would like to know the right size for a person to start natural farming.That will be good for me.
           
          Best wishes
           
          Christine
          ****************
          THere are a lot of factors and a short answer would never be the right one.

          I'd like to know what kind or type of farming you intend to attempt.

          How much prior experience you have had.

          How well you understand the environment in the area you intend to settle.

          If you know how to select land suitable for the type and kind of farming you hope to do.

          Availability of a market for your product/s.

          Closeness to suppliers and farm items needed.

          Will it be only yourself or will there be a sweet other by and by?

          Do you intend to build upright or into the ground for more warmth and more economical reasons?

          Will you grow food crops?

          Will you grow fruits?

          Will you grow grains?

          Will you grow potatoes?

          Will you have farm animals?

          Which ones and what type of housing are you prepared to build for them?

          Will you grow organic like I do?

          Or chemically?

          Will you do no-till like I do?

          Or plow the land into oblivion?

          Will you attempt to sustain yourself and any family on the land as well as produce market items?

          Jon-who now grows his own organic foodstuff on less than 3 acres of land by hand, plus has overage to share with others and some to offer at market. But has farmed on over 200 acres. For 1 person only using hand tools or animal power 5 acres would be enough but never turn your back on affordable land. There's only so much of it and it is fast being used up.
        • 倩 冯
          Dear friends,   I have no really farm experience before.I just picked straw berries in an organic farm.That s  one of the reason I would like to learn farm
          Message 4 of 12 , May 29, 2010
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            Dear friends,
             
            I have no really farm experience before.I just picked straw berries in an organic farm.That's  one of the reason I would like to learn farm management in Monreal.
             
            I will practise natural farming on a piece of land,5-10 acres.I won't use chemicals,fertilizers, no-tilling,all easy way.I think I will only have chickens on my land,because fukuoka seems to use the manure of the chickens on his land,right?
             
            If I plant 10 acres,probably I would have 8acres for crops(corn,rice wheat),and 2 acres for some vegetables and fruits.I would like to sell the gift of nature to my friends.
             
            I am trying to find easy way to live,low cost,naturally and environment-friendly.I try to eat as less meat as possible to protect the environment.I try to find some information on green house on youtube,and I found sandbag homes,ecodome,log home.very cheap and good quality.
            I even found a chinese therapy to make people healthy.It is called Lajin.Please see the website.
            http://yixingtianxia.com/newpage/en/health_3.html

            --- 10年5月30日,周日, backwaterjon <backwaterjon@...> 写道:


            发件人: backwaterjon <backwaterjon@...>
            主题: [fukuoka_farming] Re: Are 10 acres too large for a single person?
            收件人: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com
            日期: 2010年5月30日,周日,上午7:42


             



            --- In fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com, 倩 冯 <crystalfengqian@...> wrote:

            Dear friends,
             
            I am considering to buy a land in a few years.I will  learn agriculture in a college for 3 years.After that,I can get 45000canadian dollar from the government.
             
            I am from china,I know that in china ,most farmers only have 1 or 2 acres.But in canada,they could have more than 100acres.
             
            I would like to know the right size for a person to start natural farming.That will be good for me.
             
            Best wishes
             
            Christine
            ****************
            THere are a lot of factors and a short answer would never be the right one.

            I'd like to know what kind or type of farming you intend to attempt.

            How much prior experience you have had.

            How well you understand the environment in the area you intend to settle.

            If you know how to select land suitable for the type and kind of farming you hope to do.

            Availability of a market for your product/s.

            Closeness to suppliers and farm items needed.

            Will it be only yourself or will there be a sweet other by and by?

            Do you intend to build upright or into the ground for more warmth and more economical reasons?

            Will you grow food crops?

            Will you grow fruits?

            Will you grow grains?

            Will you grow potatoes?

            Will you have farm animals?

            Which ones and what type of housing are you prepared to build for them?

            Will you grow organic like I do?

            Or chemically?

            Will you do no-till like I do?

            Or plow the land into oblivion?

            Will you attempt to sustain yourself and any family on the land as well as produce market items?

            Jon-who now grows his own organic foodstuff on less than 3 acres of land by hand, plus has overage to share with others and some to offer at market. But has farmed on over 200 acres. For 1 person only using hand tools or animal power 5 acres would be enough but never turn your back on affordable land. There's only so much of it and it is fast being used up.











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          • Jason
            Nature does it for me here in Australia on more than 10 acres (10 acres private holding, 10 acres public land licensed by me, and 10 acres public land river
            Message 5 of 12 , May 29, 2010
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              Nature does it for me here in Australia on more than 10 acres (10 acres private holding, 10 acres public land licensed by me, and 10 acres public land river banks which can't be used consumptively but have forest and contribute enormously to the rest of the nature & land).
              I was going to write:
              'I do it on more than 10 acres... .'
              but let's all remember that nature does nearly all the work, with me as a very minor, small part of nature, in the ways of natural farming exemplified by Fukuoka, Masanobu sensei.

              One has to keep up real fitness, for one example of a requirement, because the little work one does have to do can be physically demanding - eg. scything weeds, manual harvesting (without machinery), manual picking fruit, hand or cement-mixer making of thousands of seedballs, etc.
              Simplistically; Land by a river, in lowlands at the foot of mountains will usually be the best, with the best soils, but those depend on the rocks, ie. the geological parent material for the soil, and these locations are often the most expensive, except when in remote regions - which is what my nature farm is in and how my father afforded it years ago.

              Yes it depends on so many (more) questions, as well described in the other reply; And learning those important questions and their answers is necessarily part of natural/nature farming.
              Commercial conventional and unsustainable farming applies generic formula thinking to diverse nature and imposes techniques upon the land, so not nearly so much learning is necessarily required; (In conventional commercial unsustainable agriculture just do a course or read an instruction manual about how to impose the formulaic method onto any suitable type of land, then do it by destroying all that is there already, and then impose onto that cleared -typically bared & plowed soil- the commercial, conventional, unsustainable methods of seeding, fertilising, pesticides, and machinery for applying all that and for harvesting.)
              As you can understand these formulaic conventional unsustainable methods don't require the operators feet to even touch the earth itself much at all, and one has no surprises about their unsustainability.

              Feel free to ask more questions, Christine.

              Jase.
              Far East Gippsland, Victoria, Australia.

              --- In fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com, 倩 冯 <crystalfengqian@...> wrote:
              >
              > Dear friends,
              >  
              > I am considering to buy a land in a few years.I will  learn agriculture in a college for 3 years.After that,I can get 45000canadian dollar from the government.
              >  
              > I am from china,I know that in china ,most farmers only have 1 or 2 acres.But in canada,they could have more than 100acres.
              >  
              > I would like to know the right size for a person to start natural farming.That will be good for me.
              >  
              > Best wishes
              >  
              > Christine
              >  
              >
              >
              >
              >
              > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
              >
            • Raju Titus
              Dear friend, As per Fukuoka and my experience says that One quarter acer is sufficient for one family having 5 to 6 members. Natural farming is living with
              Message 6 of 12 , May 29, 2010
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                Dear friend,
                As per Fukuoka and my experience says that One quarter acer is sufficient
                for one family having 5 to 6 members. Natural farming is living with nature
                happily . But more land involves more work .kills enjoyment.
                Thanks
                Raju

                On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 12:41 AM, 倩 冯 <crystalfengqian@...> wrote:

                >
                >
                > Dear friends,
                >
                > I am considering to buy a land in a few years.I will learn agriculture in
                > a college for 3 years.After that,I can get 45000canadian dollar from the
                > government.
                >
                > I am from china,I know that in china ,most farmers only have 1 or 2
                > acres.But in canada,they could have more than 100acres.
                >
                > I would like to know the right size for a person to start natural
                > farming.That will be good for me.
                >
                > Best wishes
                >
                > Christine
                >
                >
                > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                >
                >
                >



                --
                Raju Titus. Hoshangabad.India.
                +919179738049.
                http://picasaweb.google.com/rajuktitus


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              • Douglas
                In metric: 0,25 acre is roughly 1000 square meters. ... From: Raju Titus Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] Are 10 acres too large for a
                Message 7 of 12 , May 30, 2010
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                  In metric: 0,25 acre is roughly 1000 square meters.
                  --- On Sat, 5/29/10, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...> wrote:

                  From: Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...>
                  Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] Are 10 acres too large for a single person?
                  To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com
                  Date: Saturday, May 29, 2010, 10:00 PM
















                   









                  Dear friend,

                  As per Fukuoka and my experience says that One quarter acer is sufficient

                  for one family having 5 to 6 members. Natural farming is living with nature

                  happily . But more land involves more work .kills enjoyment.

                  Thanks

                  Raju



                  On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 12:41 AM, 倩 冯 <crystalfengqian@...> wrote:



                  >

                  >

                  > Dear friends,

                  >

                  > I am considering to buy a land in a few years.I will learn agriculture in

                  > a college for 3 years.After that,I can get 45000canadian dollar from the

                  > government.

                  >

                  > I am from china,I know that in china ,most farmers only have 1 or 2

                  > acres.But in canada,they could have more than 100acres.

                  >

                  > I would like to know the right size for a person to start natural

                  > farming.That will be good for me.

                  >

                  > Best wishes

                  >

                  > Christine

                  >

                  >

                  > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

                  >

                  >

                  >



                  --

                  Raju Titus. Hoshangabad.India.

                  +919179738049.

                  http://picasaweb.google.com/rajuktitus



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                • Tom Gibson
                  One acre of prime flatland is all the vegetables someone can handle if you are a market gardener and you are going to do it by yourself. I would read The
                  Message 8 of 12 , May 30, 2010
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                    One acre of prime flatland is all the vegetables someone can handle if you
                    are a market gardener and you are going to do it by yourself. I would read
                    The
                    <http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/093003175X?ie=UTF8&tag=camaspermac-20&link
                    Code=as2&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=093003175X> New Organic
                    Grower and The
                    <http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1603580816?ie=UTF8&tag=camaspermac-20&link
                    Code=as2&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=1603580816> Winter Harvest
                    Handbook by Elliot Coleman if you are just starting out. He has a very good
                    description in the first book on how to choose land. He uses natural methods
                    and has developed the most complete information about small scale farming in
                    northern countries. One acre assumes that you are growing 60-100+ varieties
                    of vegetables in continuous production. Is that all you want to grow? The
                    translation and the next step, moving to Fukuoka style natural farming means
                    implementing communities of plants and animals as a part of the permanent
                    rotation of life through the fields. If you are going to have fruit trees,
                    animals, grain, etc then you need more land. You might want to specialize
                    and get the remainder from your neighbors but a more diverse holding closes
                    a lot of ecological loops that might cause problems otherwise. For instance,
                    letting chickens run through your fields in the Fall and Winter cleans up
                    bugs that might reach high pest levels otherwise. That also helps break down
                    green and brown organic matter and reduce weeds while providing another
                    fertilizer source. Poultry are invaluable in fruit orchards for cleaning out
                    the different types of fruit pests. Ruminant livestock might not be
                    something you want to handle but are the best natural way to improve the
                    structure and fertility of the soil if you manage and pasture them properly.
                    It is important to keep them moving every day or two so they reduce biomass
                    without harming it's ability to grow back and provide another round of feed.
                    Improved pasture can later be put into rotation to grow vegetables or other
                    crops. Permaculture techniques where you have communities of plants
                    including more permanent upper story plants like fruit and nut trees instead
                    of monoculture production were described by Fukuoka on his farm. Ten acres
                    is a more realistic scale to work on if you are going to have complete
                    communities of plants and animals. You may only be intensively cultivating
                    up to an acre per person that you have to work it, but the rest of the land
                    can contribute to your success and provide additional resources to every
                    aspect of the farm.



                    You might find that 1 acre of prime farmland is more productive than 10
                    acres of rocks, brush or heavily forested land. Make sure that what you want
                    to do is possible on the land you purchase and you can write that into the
                    terms of an offer to buy. I would send a soil sample in before making a
                    decision. Check with the local government agriculture authority and as many
                    other resource as possible, including neighbors, to see if you really ought
                    to be buying that land for the purpose you want it for. The quality and
                    quantity of water and whether you have rights to use more than is available
                    to a household is something to check on. Are you just growing for yourself
                    or as a business? If it is a business then you will need to hire help at
                    times. Many people get apprentices to come live with them to help but make
                    sure that this resource is something that you have access to and feel
                    comfortable with.



                    Going from land to a farm that utilizes a sophisticated mirroring of nature
                    isn't something that happens overnight. It is part of a transition process.
                    In order to support yourself on the land you have to first get some basic
                    skills in place and it probably means that you are doing things like buying
                    fertilizer. As you continue to develop your resources you will find that you
                    have to buy less and less and you have more and more to trade and sell.
                    Start out with simple things that you can do now and continuously work to
                    improve upon it. You will get better yields by having a small garden that
                    you can take good care of than a big one where everything grows wild. Find
                    out what works best for you and expand upon it. I did trials for three years
                    before I expanded into making every part of my land work.



                    Tom

                    <http://www.camaspermaculture.org/> www.camaspermaculture.org



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                  • Frank McAvinchey
                    That s good, sound advise, Tom. Good work! Frank ... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                    Message 9 of 12 , May 30, 2010
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                      That's good, sound advise, Tom. Good work!

                      Frank

                      On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 1:03 PM, Tom Gibson <camaspermaculture@...>wrote:

                      >
                      >
                      > One acre of prime flatland is all the vegetables someone can handle if you
                      > are a market gardener and you are going to do it by yourself. I would read
                      > The
                      > <
                      > http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/093003175X?ie=UTF8&tag=camaspermac-20&link
                      > Code=as2&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=093003175X> New Organic
                      > Grower and The
                      > <
                      > http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1603580816?ie=UTF8&tag=camaspermac-20&link
                      > Code=as2&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=1603580816> Winter Harvest
                      > Handbook by Elliot Coleman if you are just starting out. He has a very good
                      > description in the first book on how to choose land. He uses natural
                      > methods
                      > and has developed the most complete information about small scale farming
                      > in
                      > northern countries. One acre assumes that you are growing 60-100+ varieties
                      > of vegetables in continuous production. Is that all you want to grow? The
                      > translation and the next step, moving to Fukuoka style natural farming
                      > means
                      > implementing communities of plants and animals as a part of the permanent
                      > rotation of life through the fields. If you are going to have fruit trees,
                      > animals, grain, etc then you need more land. You might want to specialize
                      > and get the remainder from your neighbors but a more diverse holding closes
                      > a lot of ecological loops that might cause problems otherwise. For
                      > instance,
                      > letting chickens run through your fields in the Fall and Winter cleans up
                      > bugs that might reach high pest levels otherwise. That also helps break
                      > down
                      > green and brown organic matter and reduce weeds while providing another
                      > fertilizer source. Poultry are invaluable in fruit orchards for cleaning
                      > out
                      > the different types of fruit pests. Ruminant livestock might not be
                      > something you want to handle but are the best natural way to improve the
                      > structure and fertility of the soil if you manage and pasture them
                      > properly.
                      > It is important to keep them moving every day or two so they reduce biomass
                      > without harming it's ability to grow back and provide another round of
                      > feed.
                      > Improved pasture can later be put into rotation to grow vegetables or other
                      > crops. Permaculture techniques where you have communities of plants
                      > including more permanent upper story plants like fruit and nut trees
                      > instead
                      > of monoculture production were described by Fukuoka on his farm. Ten acres
                      > is a more realistic scale to work on if you are going to have complete
                      > communities of plants and animals. You may only be intensively cultivating
                      > up to an acre per person that you have to work it, but the rest of the land
                      > can contribute to your success and provide additional resources to every
                      > aspect of the farm.
                      >
                      > You might find that 1 acre of prime farmland is more productive than 10
                      > acres of rocks, brush or heavily forested land. Make sure that what you
                      > want
                      > to do is possible on the land you purchase and you can write that into the
                      > terms of an offer to buy. I would send a soil sample in before making a
                      > decision. Check with the local government agriculture authority and as many
                      > other resource as possible, including neighbors, to see if you really ought
                      > to be buying that land for the purpose you want it for. The quality and
                      > quantity of water and whether you have rights to use more than is available
                      > to a household is something to check on. Are you just growing for yourself
                      > or as a business? If it is a business then you will need to hire help at
                      > times. Many people get apprentices to come live with them to help but make
                      > sure that this resource is something that you have access to and feel
                      > comfortable with.
                      >
                      > Going from land to a farm that utilizes a sophisticated mirroring of nature
                      > isn't something that happens overnight. It is part of a transition process.
                      > In order to support yourself on the land you have to first get some basic
                      > skills in place and it probably means that you are doing things like buying
                      > fertilizer. As you continue to develop your resources you will find that
                      > you
                      > have to buy less and less and you have more and more to trade and sell.
                      > Start out with simple things that you can do now and continuously work to
                      > improve upon it. You will get better yields by having a small garden that
                      > you can take good care of than a big one where everything grows wild. Find
                      > out what works best for you and expand upon it. I did trials for three
                      > years
                      > before I expanded into making every part of my land work.
                      >
                      > Tom
                      >
                      > <http://www.camaspermaculture.org/> www.camaspermaculture.org
                      >
                      > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                      >
                      >
                      >


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                    • Nandan Palaparambil
                      Can you give a breakup of land used for grains, vegetables and fruit trees when you indicate that 25 cent is enough for a family ? Does this take care of the
                      Message 10 of 12 , May 30, 2010
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                        Can you give a breakup of land used for grains, vegetables and fruit trees when you indicate that 25 cent is enough for a family ? Does this take care of the all the money expenses also - travelling, clothes,medical etc..

                        I remember you have more land, 8 or 9 acres??...


                        Regards,
                        Nandan

                        --- On Sun, 5/30/10, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...> wrote:

                        From: Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...>
                        Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] Are 10 acres too large for a single person?
                        To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com
                        Date: Sunday, May 30, 2010, 10:30 AM







                         









                        Dear friend,

                        As per Fukuoka and my experience says that One quarter acer is sufficient

                        for one family having 5 to 6 members. Natural farming is living with nature

                        happily . But more land involves more work .kills enjoyment.

                        Thanks

                        Raju



                        On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 12:41 AM, 倩 冯 <crystalfengqian@...> wrote:



                        >

                        >

                        > Dear friends,

                        >

                        > I am considering to buy a land in a few years.I will learn agriculture in

                        > a college for 3 years.After that,I can get 45000canadian dollar from the

                        > government.

                        >

                        > I am from china,I know that in china ,most farmers only have 1 or 2

                        > acres.But in canada,they could have more than 100acres.

                        >

                        > I would like to know the right size for a person to start natural

                        > farming.That will be good for me.

                        >

                        > Best wishes

                        >

                        > Christine

                        >

                        >

                        > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

                        >

                        >

                        >



                        --

                        Raju Titus. Hoshangabad.India.

                        +919179738049.

                        http://picasaweb.google.com/rajuktitus



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                      • Raju Titus
                        Dear friend, Actually living in the garden without the use of electricity and petroleum is different from the living in city where our demand of money is more
                        Message 11 of 12 , May 31, 2010
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                          Dear friend,
                          Actually living in the garden without the use of electricity and petroleum
                          is different from the living in city where our demand of money is more than
                          the natural food and shelter. All of my 10 acre is now in under Subabul
                          cover and small land may be quarter to half in under Grain, vegetables, and
                          fruits. What i want to say is that it very difficult to take 100% care of
                          big area. In N.F. always production is in increasing manner if you will take
                          100% proper care. Fukuoka was getting one tone grain/quarter acre/ season.
                          This is possible when we can take care of our land in proper manner. And
                          this is possible only with small holding.
                          Raju


                          On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 11:49 AM, Nandan Palaparambil <
                          p_k_nandanan@...> wrote:

                          >
                          >
                          > Can you give a breakup of land used for grains, vegetables and fruit trees
                          > when you indicate that 25 cent is enough for a family ? Does this take care
                          > of the all the money expenses also - travelling, clothes,medical etc..
                          >
                          > I remember you have more land, 8 or 9 acres??...
                          >
                          > Regards,
                          > Nandan
                          >
                          >
                          > --- On Sun, 5/30/10, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...<rajuktitus%40gmail.com>>
                          > wrote:
                          >
                          > From: Raju Titus <rajuktitus@... <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>>
                          > Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] Are 10 acres too large for a single person?
                          > To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com <fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com>
                          > Date: Sunday, May 30, 2010, 10:30 AM
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > Dear friend,
                          >
                          > As per Fukuoka and my experience says that One quarter acer is sufficient
                          >
                          > for one family having 5 to 6 members. Natural farming is living with nature
                          >
                          > happily . But more land involves more work .kills enjoyment.
                          >
                          > Thanks
                          >
                          > Raju
                          >
                          > On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 12:41 AM, 倩 冯 <crystalfengqian@...<crystalfengqian%40yahoo.com.cn>>
                          > wrote:
                          >
                          > >
                          >
                          > >
                          >
                          > > Dear friends,
                          >
                          > >
                          >
                          > > I am considering to buy a land in a few years.I will learn agriculture in
                          >
                          > > a college for 3 years.After that,I can get 45000canadian dollar from the
                          >
                          > > government.
                          >
                          > >
                          >
                          > > I am from china,I know that in china ,most farmers only have 1 or 2
                          >
                          > > acres.But in canada,they could have more than 100acres.
                          >
                          > >
                          >
                          > > I would like to know the right size for a person to start natural
                          >
                          > > farming.That will be good for me.
                          >
                          > >
                          >
                          > > Best wishes
                          >
                          > >
                          >
                          > > Christine
                          >
                          > >
                          >
                          > >
                          >
                          > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                          >
                          > >
                          >
                          > >
                          >
                          > >
                          >
                          > --
                          >
                          > Raju Titus. Hoshangabad.India.
                          >
                          > +919179738049.
                          >
                          > http://picasaweb.google.com/rajuktitus
                          >
                          > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                          >
                          > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                          >
                          >
                          >



                          --
                          Raju Titus. Hoshangabad.India.
                          +919179738049.
                          http://picasaweb.google.com/rajuktitus


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                        • alansloan@tiscali.co.uk
                          Hi, If you are Chinese and are thinking of farming in Canada, I wonder if you have read this book? (See the link below) Farmers of Forty Centuries is
                          Message 12 of 12 , May 31, 2010
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                            Hi,

                            If you are Chinese and are thinking of farming in Canada, I wonder if you have read this book? (See the link below)

                            "Farmers of Forty Centuries" is a classic account of chinese horticulture/agriculture around 1900, as seen through Western eyes. One Eighty year old man was reported as making a living from one eight of an acre -the country people at that time in China had to produce crops from many small areas, and as the global population expands I suspect that urban Western as well as urban Chinese may have a lot to learn from them.

                            There is probably not much about humus conservstion and fertility management that they did not know, though the Fukouaka methods are very different to traditional ones in some ways there is also a lot in common with time tested ways.

                            regards,

                            Alan

                            link here to the book online, but reading on paper is more friendly and it helos keep you loacal libary going! - http://www.earthlypursuits.com/FarmFC/FFC/F_%20H_%20King%20Farmers%20of%20Forty%20Centuries--Introduction.htm





                            ----Original Message----

                            From: p_k_nandanan@...

                            Date: 31/05/2010 7:19

                            To: <fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com>

                            Subj: Re: [fukuoka_farming] Are 10 acres too large for a single person?




























                            Can you give a breakup of land used for grains, vegetables and fruit trees when you indicate that 25 cent is enough for a family ? Does this take care of the all the money expenses also - travelling, clothes,medical etc..



                            I remember you have more land, 8 or 9 acres??...



                            Regards,

                            Nandan



                            --- On Sun, 5/30/10, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...> wrote:



                            From: Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...>

                            Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] Are 10 acres too large for a single person?

                            To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com

                            Date: Sunday, May 30, 2010, 10:30 AM







                            Dear friend,



                            As per Fukuoka and my experience says that One quarter acer is sufficient



                            for one family having 5 to 6 members. Natural farming is living with nature



                            happily . But more land involves more work .kills enjoyment.



                            Thanks



                            Raju



                            On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 12:41 AM, 倩 冯 <crystalfengqian@...> wrote:



                            >



                            >



                            > Dear friends,



                            >



                            > I am considering to buy a land in a few years.I will learn agriculture in



                            > a college for 3 years.After that,I can get 45000canadian dollar from the



                            > government.



                            >



                            > I am from china,I know that in china ,most farmers only have 1 or 2



                            > acres.But in canada,they could have more than 100acres.



                            >



                            > I would like to know the right size for a person to start natural



                            > farming.That will be good for me.



                            >



                            > Best wishes



                            >



                            > Christine



                            >



                            >



                            > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]



                            >



                            >



                            >



                            --



                            Raju Titus. Hoshangabad.India.



                            +919179738049.



                            http://picasaweb.google.com/rajuktitus



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