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  • Ryan Platte
    Joel Salatin likes to point out that beef and dairy would be carbon-sequestering industries if the feedlots + grain farms supporting them would be converted to
    Message 1 of 9 , Oct 9, 2009
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      Joel Salatin likes to point out that beef and dairy would be
      carbon-sequestering industries if the feedlots + grain farms supporting them
      would be converted to rotational grazing on grass. The amount of land needed
      to do so would be about the same as the land needed to grow all that grain!
      Ryan Platte
      Bootstrap Acres, growing your lunch in Churchville, New York
      http://bootstrapacres.com/


      On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 4:29 PM, Douglas <dougxmail@...> wrote:

      > There is a little more to it than tilling alone, I think.
      > Add to this the sale of 80+ million of barrels of oil a day (which are
      > mainly burnt as fuel), imagine an area filled with this amount of barrels
      > and that each day again and again!
      > Add to this the tons of coal and the huge bubble of natural gas burnt.
      > Top it off with a diet that depends heavily on meat and dairy, besides
      > being unhealthy for the body and mind and still a legal form of slavery, it
      > is an energy and forest hog without limits.
      > All this excess energy results in an ever increasing anthropocentric human
      > population and we have a `Easter Earth` in the making.
      > Would you like that raw, medium or done...?
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    • Suraj Kumar
      Douglas, you said it absolutely right. Infact, one could even argue that it is loss of forest cover for _food production_ that is the cause of loss of bio
      Message 2 of 9 , Oct 9, 2009
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        Douglas, you said it absolutely right.

        Infact, one could even argue that it is loss of forest cover for _food
        production_ that is the cause of loss of bio diversity. Paddy is grown in
        2-dimensional surface area of the land than the 3-dimensional, vertical
        growth that forests tend to naturally have.

        I personally see Fukuoka san's message as one of "Our intellect causes havoc
        and disharmony with nature". The "natural way" is to eat when one feels
        hungry and I guess there are traces of this very message in Fukuoka-san's
        writings - when he talks about eating insects suggesting a Hunter/Gatherer
        life-style.

        ... but then, its all easily said than practiced - which is why, Fukuoka's
        method is not a "method of food production" but a "method of understanding
        one's nature". Its about Zen and zen never "talks" straight :)

        Cheers,

        -Suraj

        On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 1:59 AM, Douglas <dougxmail@...> wrote:

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        > There is a little more to it than tilling alone, I think.
        > Add to this the sale of 80+ million of barrels of oil a day (which are
        > mainly burnt as fuel), imagine an area filled with this amount of barrels
        > and that each day again and again!
        > Add to this the tons of coal and the huge bubble of natural gas burnt.
        > Top it off with a diet that depends heavily on meat and dairy, besides
        > being unhealthy for the body and mind and still a legal form of slavery, it
        > is an energy and forest hog without limits.
        > All this excess energy results in an ever increasing anthropocentric human
        > population and we have a `Easter Earth` in the making.
        > Would you like that raw, medium or done...?
        >
        > * The Purpose Of Life Is To Propagate Life In All Its Diversity Wherever
        > Life Can Go Between The Stars And Black Holes. It's Humanity's
        > Responsibility To Take The Lead Instead Of Riding On The Back. Make It Your
        > Goal In Life! *
        > --- On Fri, 10/2/09, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...<rajuktitus%40gmail.com>>
        > wrote:
        >
        > From: Raju Titus <rajuktitus@... <rajuktitus%40gmail.com>>
        > Subject: [fukuoka_farming] CLIMATE CHANGE.
        > To: "fukuoka farming" <fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com<fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com>
        > >
        > Date: Friday, October 2, 2009, 11:26 PM
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        > Dear friends,
        >
        > Generally aggressive rain do not come after September in India but is
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        > creating havoc in Karnatka and Andhrapredesh of India. More than 130 people
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        > died in Karnatka due to heavy rain fall. This is all due to ecological
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        > disturbance due wrong prectices of agriculture.
        >
        > Thanks
        >
        > Raju
        >
        > India
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        "The Greatest Shortcoming of the Human Race is
        our Inability to Understand the Exponential Function"
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      • Raju Titus
        Dear friends, kopenhagan could be fail but one straw revolution will never fail. Raju Titus India. Photo of Titus farm
        Message 3 of 9 , Dec 16, 2009
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          Dear friends,
          kopenhagan could be fail but" one straw revolution "will never fail.
          Raju Titus India.
          Photo of Titus farm
          http://picasaweb.google.co.in/lh/photo/c4bs0OfUzf6WMRFiopijmA?feat=directlink

          "I believe that a revolution can begin from this one strand of straw. Seen
          at a glance, this rice straw may appear light and light and insiginificant.
          Hardly anyone would believe that it could start a revolution. But I have
          come to realize the weight and power of this straw. For me,this revolution
          is very real." FUKUOKA.
          Photo of Fukuoka's farm
          http://picasaweb.google.co.in/lh/photo/aE4UGj9spPsnVlmkT7DgUQ?feat=directlink
          " मेरा मानना है की पुआल के एक तिनके से बहुत बड़े बदलाव की शुरुवाद हो सकती
          है. देखने से यह तिनका बहुत हल्का और बेकार नजर आता है. शायद ही किसी को
          विश्वास होगा की यह किसी क्रांति को जन्म दे सकता है. लकिन मुझे इस तिनके के
          वजन और ताकत का अहसास हो गया है. मेरे लिए यह क्रांति सही है." फुकुओका.
          मित्रो,
          कोपेनहेगन असफल हो सकता है किन्तु" एक तिनका क्रांति "कभी असफल नहीं हो सकती
          है.
          जल- वायू परिवर्तन के मुद्दे पर हमारा अनुरोध है की अपने विचार हिंदी या
          अंग्रेजी में इस ग्रुप में भेजें और अधिक से अधिक मित्रों को इस ग्रुप में
          आमंत्रित करें.
          राजू टाइटस
          भारत


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        • Raju Titus
          Dear friends,This is NO Till Organic Farming is very much suitable in drought hit un irrigated areas of world. Tilling is responsible for CO2
          Message 4 of 9 , Dec 16, 2009
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            Dear friends,This is "NO Till Organic Farming is very much suitable in
            drought hit un irrigated areas of world.
            Tilling is responsible for CO2 emission,droughts and floods. 10 to 15 tone
            of organic matter washed every year per acre by tilling of land for
            agriculture and water do not go in the soil.
            Farmers are getting bumper production with 80%less expenditure.
            Thanks
            Raju Titus
            India


            *No*-*Till* Revolution | Rodale
            Institute<http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=6&ved=0CBgQFjAF&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rodaleinstitute.org%2Fno-till_revolution&ei=obUpS-PnJo6gkQXJ5ZXsCA&usg=AFQjCNG9jSxEcgyjHF0a7l2cKYQiU3K-rg&sig2=Gsrhnz7ycn8Cl5BVR-jbIA>
            *No*-*till farming* is great—it protects soils from erosion, builds organic
            *...* to push the envelope on how agriculture done right can curtail *climate
            change*. *...*
            www.rodaleinstitute.org/*no*-*till*_revolution

            मित्रों,
            उपरोक्त तकनीक अमेरिका के असिंचित खेती के लिए बहुत उपयूक्त सिद्ध हो रही
            है. जो फुकुओका फार्मिंग से म्लिती जुलती है. यही वो संस्था है जिसने अमेरिका
            में फुकुओका जी की तकनीक को मशीनों से करने का प्रयास किया है. सूखी खेती में
            जहाँ पानी की कमी के कारण खेती नहीं हो रही है ये वरदान है.
            राजू टाइटस
            होशंगाबाद.


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          • Tradingpost
            Climate agreement must support shift toward sustainable agriculture New paper series tackles climate challenges for agriculture Institute for Agriculture and
            Message 5 of 9 , Dec 16, 2009
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              Climate agreement must support shift toward sustainable agriculture
              New paper series tackles climate challenges for agriculture
              Institute for Agriculture and Trade Policy, December 1, 2009
              http://www.organicconsumers.org/articles/article_19790.cfm

              paul tradingpost@...


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              On 12/17/2009 at 10:34 AM Raju Titus wrote:

              >Dear friends,This is "NO Till Organic Farming is very much suitable in
              >drought hit un irrigated areas of world.
              > Tilling is responsible for CO2 emission,droughts and floods. 10 to 15 tone
              >of organic matter washed every year per acre by tilling of land for
              >agriculture and water do not go in the soil.
              >Farmers are getting bumper production with 80%less expenditure.
              >Thanks
              >Raju Titus
              >India
              >
              >
              >*No*-*Till* Revolution | Rodale
              >Institute<http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=6&ved=0CBgQFjAF&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rodaleinstitute.org%2Fno-till_revolution&ei=obUpS-PnJo6gkQXJ5ZXsCA&usg=AFQjCNG9jSxEcgyjHF0a7l2cKYQiU3K-rg&sig2=Gsrhnz7ycn8Cl5BVR-jbIA>
              >*No*-*till farming* is great���it protects soils from erosion, builds
              >organic
              >*...* to push the envelope on how agriculture done right can curtail
              >*climate
              >change*. *...*
              >www.rodaleinstitute.org/*no*-*till*_revolution
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            • Raju Titus
              Dear friend, Thank you very much for this post. No any farming practises based on Tilling or plowing is Sustainable .. Thanks Raju Titus India. ... [Non-text
              Message 6 of 9 , Dec 16, 2009
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                Dear friend,
                Thank you very much for this post. No any farming practises based on Tilling
                or plowing is "Sustainable"..
                Thanks
                Raju Titus
                India.

                On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 10:45 AM, Tradingpost <tradingpost@...> wrote:

                >
                > Climate agreement must support shift toward sustainable agriculture
                > New paper series tackles climate challenges for agriculture
                > Institute for Agriculture and Trade Policy, December 1, 2009
                > http://www.organicconsumers.org/articles/article_19790.cfm
                >
                > paul tradingpost@...
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                > On 12/17/2009 at 10:34 AM Raju Titus wrote:
                >
                > >Dear friends,This is "NO Till Organic Farming is very much suitable in
                > >drought hit un irrigated areas of world.
                > > Tilling is responsible for CO2 emission,droughts and floods. 10 to 15
                > tone
                > >of organic matter washed every year per acre by tilling of land for
                > >agriculture and water do not go in the soil.
                > >Farmers are getting bumper production with 80%less expenditure.
                > >Thanks
                > >Raju Titus
                > >India
                > >
                > >
                > >*No*-*Till* Revolution | Rodale
                > >Institute<
                > http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=6&ved=0CBgQFjAF&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rodaleinstitute.org%2Fno-till_revolution&ei=obUpS-PnJo6gkQXJ5ZXsCA&usg=AFQjCNG9jSxEcgyjHF0a7l2cKYQiU3K-rg&sig2=Gsrhnz7ycn8Cl5BVR-jbIA
                > >
                > >*No*-*till farming* is great—it protects soils from erosion, builds
                > >organic
                > >*...* to push the envelope on how agriculture done right can curtail
                > >*climate
                > >change*. *...*
                > >www.rodaleinstitute.org/*no*-*till*_revolution
                > >
                > >मितॠरों,
                > >उपरोकॠत तकनीक अमेरिका के
                > >असिंचित खेती के लिठबहॠत
                > >उपयूकॠत सिदॠध हो रही
                > >है. जो फॠकॠओका फारॠमिंग से
                > >मॠलिती जॠलती है. यही वो
                > >संसॠथा है जिसने अमेरिका
                > >में फॠकॠओका जी की तकनीक को
                > >मशीनों से करने का पॠरयास
                > >किया है. सूखी खेती में
                > >जहाठपानी की कमी के कारण
                > >खेती नहीं हो रही है ये वरदान
                > >है.
                > >राजू टाइटस
                > >होशंगाबाद.
                > >
                > >
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