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  • Jean Villafuerte
    Nov 10, 2008
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      Willingly, Dieter. I will soon publish them on my blog, the ormocwomen blog. But the original recipe is not ours, we got them from TACDRUP, I forgot the full name but of course I will mention them in my blog. Sorry, I can't have it here now. I'm in a hurry.


      visit my blogs and leave your comments.

      From: Dieter Brand <diebrand@...>
      To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 5:09:54 PM
      Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] Re:Copyleft and Fukuoka's books


      You are certainly right in that there are innumerable unsung heroes in the history of agriculture.

      Would you be prepared to share the recipe for your fermented juices and how to apply them?

      Here in Portugal, tilling and manure is the traditional way of farming, but most farmers use synthetic fertilizers nowadays.

      In the beginning, I used some manure from a neighbouring cattle farmer, now I only use what grows on-site; mostly mulching and cover cropping and a bit of composting, but mostly in-place-composting. Anyways, this is just on a small scale (the area I can irrigate during the summer). To do farming on a larger scale, I would have to till, no-till is difficult in an arid region. But lack of rain is not a problem you are likely to have in the Philippines.

      Dieter Brand

      --- On Sun, 11/9/08, Jean Villafuerte <dayjean455@...> wrote:

      From: Jean Villafuerte <dayjean455@...>
      Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] Re:Copyleft and Fukuoka's books
      To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com
      Date: Sunday, November 9, 2008, 3:45 AM

      Hooolooo everyone and greetings from Ormoc City, Philippines!

      I've been reading threads on Fukuoka Farming and the debate on acquiring,
      distributing and reading the Fukuoka book on natural farming. Although I
      haven't read the book but the summary of his work in the fukuoka farming web
      site is enough for us to know what the fukuoka farming method is all about.

      I believe Fukuoka was not alone in doing natural farming during his lifetime.
      Only the others did not write down their experiences. Fukuoka did and his
      supporters made it famous the world over.

      However, anybody passionate on natural farming must not stop on the fukuoka
      method. While doing farming yourself, and researching in agriculture websites,
      you'll know what to do. A lot of our "giving" scientists publish
      their findings in their own websites. We get ideas from them too.

      In our small "Ecology Farm" we get ideas from here and there and use
      our common sense in the application of such ideas. Since this farm is supposed
      to be a showcase for peasant filipino families, we try our very best to show
      them how to raise food for their tables and raise extra to sell for cash.

      Actually, we started with green manuring, composting, then manufacturing the
      famous fermented juices. But, to understand farming is to understand ecology
      and Genesis where everything was created for a purpose. Pests are there to be
      the food for other insects, so why kill them when they have their own predators
      by nature?

      There are websites that publish the kind of plants that are hosts to insects
      that eat other insects that have become pests to our favorite plants.

      visit my blogs and leave your comments.

      From: Dieter Brand <diebrand@...>
      To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Saturday, November 8, 2008 11:01:24 PM
      Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] Re:Copyleft and Fukuoka's books


      Did you know that you can download two of Fukuoka�s books from Steve
      Solomon�s Soil and Health library at: soilandhealth.org? Steve operates his
      site like a virtual lending library, which means you get a personalized PDF file
      with your name on the understanding that you won�t redistribute it for
      commercial gain. I don�t know if this is completely in accord with
      international copyright law, but so far there seem to be no objections. I think
      this is a good way of making out of print books available to the public.

      Personally, I�m mainly interested in Natural Farming and I had hoped that
      this list would serve as a place to share and discuss our experience, but
      perhaps that hope was in vain.

      To have a meaningful discussion we need to have the courage to tell the truth
      as we know it even if it is not trendy or popular. E.g., if a person, who never
      made any contribution to this group, suddenly turns up to sell Fukuoka�s
      books, then we need to be able to ask a question about copyright, which has
      often been discussed but never been answered. Somebody also needs to point out
      that to use another person�s labor to make a commercial profit by selling his
      work is neither legal nor moral.

      To have a meaningful discussion we also need to reply to what the other person
      is trying to say and not use part of an argument as an opportunity to propagate
      our own ideology.

      We also need to maintain a minimum level of mutual respect and civility, which,
      in my opinion, includes introducing yourself to a group you join and letting the
      group know who you are, what you do and what interest you have in Natural
      Farming. And if we do want to tell others about our ideas, I think it is
      preferable to do so in our own words and not argue with the arguments of others
      by the PC�s copy and paste commands or by Internet links.

      If you had been interested in a serious discussion (as you claim), you could
      have commented on my reply to Jeff, in which I explained the function and the
      benefits to society of intellectual property rights. Since you did not, I have
      to assume that you are primarily interested in spreading an ideology and not in
      discussions. Hence, there is no point in repeating my arguments.

      Regarding a World without private property (if that is what you are after),
      �real socialism�, the sole experiment of doing away with private property
      known to mankind, has collapsed under its own contradictions after tens of
      millions of death and hundreds of millions were reduced to extreme poverty and
      humiliation. They even managed the incredible feat of creating a high degree of
      penury for the people while at the same time squandering natural resources and
      destroying the environment in a big way.

      If you have any experience with farming and in particular with Natural Farming
      you know that a farmer needs to �own� his land; it needs to be his property.
      To rebuild soil that has been depleted by conventional farming can easily take
      10 or 20 years of backbreaking labor. No farmer is going to do that without a
      degree of assurance that he or she will be able to continue working on the land
      for the foreseeable future. The nature romantics from the city who make a day
      excursion to the country, on the other hand, take it all for granted, mistake
      the cultured land created by generations of farmers for nature pure, like to
      trample down the wheat and start wild fires by throwing away cigarette buts or
      by crowning their Sunday afternoon excursion with a barbecue in the middle of a
      forest. Then it�s back to the city and nobody cares about the damage that may
      have been done. Why should they? It is not their own property.

      Intellectual property is no different from other forms of property. At least
      in socialism there is the idea of taking away from those who have much to give
      to those who have little. By abolishing intellectual property, on the other
      hand, we take away from those who have little, from all those creators who
      barely make a living by scrubbing other people�s floors.

      Lastly, already the Bible mentioned something about �giving� being nobler
      than �taking�. Alas, human avarice being what it is, that idea never made
      it very far. Yet by making an ideology out of freely taking what was made by
      others to serve our personal gain seems to propel human perversion to unknown
      levels. And you say that is Natural Farming!?

      Dieter Brand

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