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4833Re: [fukuoka_farming] No ploughing..

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  • buttahfly@xprs.net
    Mar 4, 2005
      hi Les
      Sounds exciting what you are doing. I have not had a spare moment since we
      contacted, still hoping to drop by for a visit.Haven't been on the internet
      even for weeks. Just about to move my shop out of Clearlake Oaks and to the
      land by April 11.
      Brian Kennedy
      ----- Original Message -----
      From: "les landeck" <offeringsoftheland@...>
      To: <fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 5:10 PM
      Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] No ploughing..


      >
      >
      >
      > Hi All,
      >
      > I've been lurking and enjoying the posts coming in, we
      > are slowly building our site and now have some show
      > and tell with the addition of pictures of the past two
      > weeks activity, we started back in December spreading
      > mixes of seed that are taking hold in the old very
      > compacted goat pen, inspired we spread more seed in
      > undisturbed areas and with the help of some warm lite
      > rains everything is good. sorry no seed balls, I'm
      > still stuck on the do nothing part, no time and or
      > need I have saved a lot of seed. In the upper area we
      > planted corn, green beans, squash and amaranth all way
      > ahead of the normal time for us in this area. But I
      > was inspired by three lambs quarter sprouts that came
      > up in the goat pen three months ahead of their normal
      > time. We checked the seed in two places two days ago
      > and found a corn seed swelling. Don't mined the signal
      > lights in the pictures they are for the deer, a lot of
      > traffic up there. We avoided planting in their walking
      > lanes and will try to use them ourselves. It's like
      > ready marked beds. We planted green beans on the drip
      > line of the shrubs, harvest will be interesting. As in
      > the first pictures all the mustard family seed that we
      > have has been spread with African marigolds,
      > zinnias,sunflowers many types,potatoes, shungiku,
      > radish, turnips,miners lettuce so many strong
      > computers this is a mix of wild oat and whats called
      > rattle snake grass the thick clumps is soap root. It
      > will be easier to name what comes up many more seeds
      > not named. so if you want a peek go to.
      >
      > http://www.sonic.net/lifeaffirminggardens/journal.html
      >
      > Do Well, Les
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > --- sbecc@... wrote:
      >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > Thanks Bob
      > > >
      > > > Is shallow ploughing inevitable in this case? How
      > > about seeding with
      > > > clover to gradually eliminate the grass? I've no
      > > experience of these
      > > > practices.
      > > >
      > > > Is there anyone who has tried seeding or plugging
      > > vegetables into a cover
      > > > of existing clover?
      > > >
      > > > Any suggestions with working with a 2 acre grassed
      > > field with minimal
      > > > intervention? I'm researching ideas as part of a
      > > plan for a small
      > > > business to provide local vegetables for local
      > > people.
      > > >
      > > > Cheers,
      > > > Gavin
      > > >
      > > > bob roque <rrock142000@...> wrote:
      > > >
      > > > Gavin,
      > > > If you just mow the grass and leave the
      > > > clippings it will keep growing back--you'll have
      > > to
      > > > keep mowing it all season. I have seen brassica
      > > > greens like mustards or tat soi/pac choi volunteer
      > > all
      > > > season long within mowed stips of grass. When I'd
      > > go
      > > > to cut the grass I would harvest a few here and
      > > there,
      > > > mow, and then the greens would just grow back.
      > > You
      > > > probably couldn't with too much success, for
      > > instance,
      > > > plant peppers, or broccoli, or something where
      > > you're
      > > > waiting a bit for the crop to either mature or
      > > yield
      > > > fruit, directly into the grass. Grass will grow
      > > > faster than almost anything and end up choking it
      > > out.
      > > > But who knows what will happen?
      > > > Something you could try, if you could learn if
      > > the
      > > > grass is, say, a winter cover crop rather than
      > > weeds,
      > > > is to let a strip of it grow. Once it has
      > > flowered
      > > > and is producing pollen, but before it has started
      > > to
      > > > set grain, you can cut it low to the ground and it
      > > > will die and dry out in place, becoming a straw
      > > mulch.
      > > > You could plant plugs (or seeds?) into this mulch,
      > > > and maybe broadcast clover over in the area as the
      > > > mulch will be to thin to prevent further
      > > weed/grass
      > > > germination. This might work with a winter
      > > rye/wheat,
      > > > or oats, but if it's a field of weedy grass (like
      > > > crab- witch- or quack- grass) and clover you're
      > > going
      > > > to have a hell of a time with it no matter what
      > > you
      > > > do.
      > > > Hmm, I just reread your email, and you wrote
      > > that
      > > > it hadn't been cultivated for four years... that
      > > means
      > > > it is weed grass... He, he. Good luck!
      > > > Rob
      > > > --- gavvenn <gavvenn@...> wrote:
      > > >
      > > >>
      > > >>
      > > >> Hi everyone
      > > >>
      > > >> Just joined the group and interested in your
      > > >> thoughts:
      > > >>
      > > >> I live in Cheshire UK, and have an opportunity to
      > > >> rent a field to
      > > >> grow vegetables. The field is covered with grass
      > > >> and some
      > > >> clover,and is certified organic and has not been
      > > >> cultivated for 4
      > > >> years.
      > > >>
      > > >> My thoughts were to divide into strips for
      > > rotation
      > > >> - marking out
      > > >> simply by mowing the grass and leaving the
      > > cuttings
      > > >> on the ground.
      > > >> Then seed with clover and a variety of vegetables
      > > >> distinctive to
      > > >> each strip for purposes of rotation. Between
      > > strips
      > > >> the grass will
      > > >> be left long.
      > > >>
      > > >> Has anyone tried this approach or can you give
      > > any
      > > >> different
      > > >> angles? I wondered about the likelyhood of the
      > > seed
      > > >> sprouting?
      > > >> Would it be better to scatter seed balls or
      > > >> propagate seperately and
      > > >> hand plant the plugs?
      > > >>
      > > >> Cheers,
      > > >> Gavin
      > > >>
      > > >>
      > > >>Hi- I think your best bet is to mulch the grass
      > > heavily before it starts
      > > growing in the Spring. I find that spreading
      > > newspaper first helps stop
      > > the grass growing up through the mulch. Wait as
      > > late in the Spring as
      > > you can before pulling back the mulch in selected
      > > spots to sow your
      > > seedballs... good luck and have fun. Thickly
      > > spread manure makes a
      > > great mulch.
      > > >>
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      > > >>
      > > >>
      > > >>
      > > >>
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