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13475Re: [fukuoka_farming] Almond Tree ... planting in grass

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  • Nandan Palaparambil
    May 4 9:34 PM
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      Hi Jason,

      >Late Fukuoka Masanobu sensei was emphatically clear that it is necessary to sow approximately 100 or >so of the widest possible diversity of kinds of seed plant species appropriate for local conditions. 

      Can you please give which book refers the above sentence? This looks to be quite meaningful, but would like to read about this/


      From: Jason Stewart <macropneuma@...>
      To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Friday, May 4, 2012 9:15 AM
      Subject: Re: [fukuoka_farming] Almond Tree ... planting in grass

      Very very briefly, to head off a potential very serious brutal mis-construing of late Fukuoka Masanobu sensei's message on not plowing. It, not plowing---saying: "It's the exception which proves the rule" in other words: 'the rule of nature gets completely proven as a cardinal (general) rule by its one and only exception'---the (cardinal) first principle of soil--nature health.
      The idea, if you do any plowing at all which in principle you must not – the idea of the one last plowing after many many plowings, is the one critical last soil mass destruction activity and opportunity, for which you must get the conditions for the self--repair of the soil after it, absolutely right for the future of your soil and nature farm. If this last chance to get the conditions for the soil's own self--repair absolutely right, compared to the previous treatments done on that land after previous plowings. It's a last mass soil and vegetation destruction chance, to sow seeds of a very diverse mix of nature (farming) crops, rather than the using conventional plowing--based farming of: plow to destroy vegetation and soil life and then sow a minimal living (diminished and barely natural) monoculture, or minimal diversity polyculture. Late Fukuoka Masanobu sensei was emphatically clear that it is necessary to sow approximately 100 or so of the
      widest possible diversity of kinds of seed plant species appropriate for local conditions. Including, to initially include Buckwheat in all suitable climates as a soil phosphorus solubliser--mobiliser, and to include a full complement of diversity of locally appropriate nitrogen fixing seed plant species, including the plant families:  Fabaceae
      and so on...

      If as i understand Ruthie's land is, never recently plowed, only mown/slashed many many times, making a grass severely diminished growing--height--environment,
      then it must not be plowed, for it still has natural soil structure and micro-organisms, only limited compared to a forest by the limitation of food and resources in such a severely diminished growing--height--environment--micro-organism--habitat. Plowing that would be deeply counter--productive. Much better ways are ready and waiting to be used for those with the imagination to take nature's and late Fukuoka Masanobu sensei's advice and not preoccupied with industrial gardening's and farming's formulaic ways. Any looking for a spoon fed prescriptive formula (by defintion) lacks the imagination to work it out from first principles themselves (nature's and late Fukuoka Masanobu sensei's first principles

      ...only plow one last time a field that has already been plowed many times to the point of destruction of all destroyable micro-organisms. One last time is an indispensable part of that message, and the plowing message can not be taken outside of that part of it.
      Never plow or till a soil in nature which has not been destroyed already as much as many times plowing does.
      Tilling is killing -- unless everything that tilling does kill has previously already been killed (really dead), then tilling just keeps the dead micro-organisms from the slow process of re-colonising from the nearest biologically intact and healthy natural soils, eg. if there are any nearby forests.
      Late Fukuoka Masanobu sensei's source on this---i know the place where he wrote this---was absolutely clear and emphatic. My words above spell out more his meaning, in that his writing source on that message. It is absolutely not him diminishing the generality and proof of the rule, the principle, of no plowing because it is proven absolutely unnecessary.
      Let's be clear and fully encouraged that nature works (by itself, regardless of our egos) including in far far superior natural ways of aeration of the soil, with many many micro-organisms and macro-organisms (eg. the over-emphasised worms---as they are only one of thousand of soil organisms)

      Sorry for an immediate reply with no good copyediting for good easily readable wording.

      Jason Stewart
      --currently in Cairns, Bama country, The Wet Tropics of far north Queensland.
      --Openly accepting of (my) membership of, my part within, nature.
      --by the way for those who in the past were confused: i have not anything in common with Jason Wicker of New Jersey USA, here i am in Australia and am very carefully, scholarly specific (as above) and very gentle/shy with newly friendly people. Jason Wicker do not masquerade as myself to Fukuoka farming people i have contact with, who speak English as a second language and may find it hard to decipher your attempts at making ambiguous your identity as contrasted with my identity. I have been warned by these Fukuoka farming contacts about your doing exactly that devious activity some time ago, and now you have been warned off doing that. I will act to ban you from the social networks involved if you try to imposter me or try to make ambiguous my identity as contrasted with yours. Social networks have very strong clear rules about identity theft and identity masquerading. Please eat some humble pie, buddy.

      On 04/05/2012, at 9:17 AM, Jason Wicker wrote:

      > Hello,
      > I remember Master Fukuoka saying in one of his books that you may need to
      > plow one last time to get things started. Once the process begins than the
      > labor of plowing is over for good and you can enjoy nature and take a nap
      > next year instead of turning the soil:)
      > Jason from NJ
      > On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 5:55 PM, John Kintree <jkintree@...> wrote:
      > > **
      > >
      > >
      > > We have almost a quarter acre of a back yard, mostly covered with grass
      > > growing in extremely clay soil, for the house to which we moved about a
      > > year ago. A month ago, I broadcast a mix of clover (5 lbs), birdsfoot
      > > trefoil (2 lbs), and alfalfa (3 lbs) seeds across the grass. The seeds
      > > cost about $84, including shipping and delivery. A day or two after
      > > broadcasting the seeds, I mowed the grass. It rained several times in the
      > > next few days; almost ideal conditions. Nothing came up. I think the
      > > roots of the grass are just too dense and matted for much of anything else
      > > get through to the soil.
      > >
      > > A couple of weeks after that, I got out my shovel, turned over the soil in
      > > several 3 to 4 feet diameter patches around the yard, scattered clover
      > > seeds ($5 for 1 lb from a local nursery) over these patches, and within a
      > > week, had clover sprouting. It's looking pretty good by now.
      > >
      > > To test things more thoroughly, I spent another $32 to have 1 lb each of
      > > the clover, birdsfoot trefoil, and alfalfa shipped from the original
      > > supplier. Turned the soil in a number of patches around the yard,
      > > scattered the seeds over those patches, and just one week later, I have
      > > plants of all three types of seeds sprouting through the soil. I'm sure
      > > Fukuoka-san was correct in his situation. In a different situation,
      > > different methods might be needed.
      > >
      > > BTW, the purpose for growing green manure crops is to improve the soil
      > > before planting nut and fruit trees maybe later this year or next spring.
      > > Regards,
      > > John Kintree

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