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  • Robert Monie
    Jan 5, 2010
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      Hi Larry,

      I'm reading you loud and clear. Please join in.

      Bob Monie


      --- On Mon, 1/4/10, kornld45 <kornld45@...> wrote:

      From: kornld45 <kornld45@...>
      Subject: [fukuoka_farming] Re: Larry Korn on Permaculture
      To: fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com
      Date: Monday, January 4, 2010, 8:38 PM







       









      Hello all, I'd like to join into this discussion but so far my message posts have not been received. I'll try again.

      Larry Korn



      --- In fukuoka_farming@ yahoogroups. com, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@ ...> wrote:

      >

      > प्रिय भाई युगंधर,

      > आप के इस अनुवाद ने मुझे बहुत राहत दी है. अब में खुल कर अपनी बात ग्रुप में रख

      > सकता हूँ. इस के लिए में आपको दिल से धन्यवाद देता हूँ.असल में हिंदी में इस

      > लिए भी लिखना चाहता हूँ जिस से अनेक हिदी भाषी खेतिहर इस ग्रुप का लाभ उठा

      > सकें. इस अनुवाद ने इस में नई जान डाल दी है.मेरा निवेदन है मुझे सर के बदले

      > भाई से संबोधन करें तो मुझे ख़ुशी होगी.

      > धन्यवाद

      > राजू इंडिया

      >

      >

      > On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 12:17 PM, Yugandhar S <s.yugandhar@ ...> wrote:

      >

      > >

      > >

      > > Dear Raju sir,

      > > Please do not use google translation. Just send your message in Hindi. I

      > > will translate it as soon as possible.

      > >

      > > Group,

      > >

      > > Translated text for the Hindi message:

      > > ===========

      > > Dear Friends,

      > > I am a farmer. I want to save myself, my farm and farming as a whole.. I

      > > have taken permaculture training from Bill. But, my opinion is that we are

      > > here to discuss and understand Fukuoka and not Bill. Bill is also a

      > > supporter of Fukuoka. I honor and respect all those who are struggling to

      > > save our environment and our collective future. I am doing Fukuoka farming

      > > since 25 years. To date,I have not found any other method better than this.

      > > But, if anybody has faced any difficulty in practising Fukuoka farming,

      > > please let me know, so that I can try to help you out and answer your

      > > queries.

      > > -Raju.

      > > ===========

      > >

      > >

      > > On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 10:20 AM, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@ ...<rajuktitus% 40gmail.com> >

      > > wrote:

      > >

      > > >

      > > >

      > > > (Hindi)

      > > > प्रिय मित्रो,

      > > > मै एक किसान हूँ मै खेती ��"र अपने को बचाना चाहता हूँ. मैंने परमाकल्चर की

      > > > ट्रेनिंग बिल से ली है. किन्तु मेरा कहना है. हम यहाँ बिल के नहीं वरन

      > > फुकु��"का

      > > > को समझने के लिए जमा हुए हैं.बिल भी फुकु��"का के समर्थक हैं. हम उन सब का आदर

      > > > करते हैं जो आज हमारे सामूहिक भविष्य के लिए हमारे पर्यावरण को बचाने के लए

      > > > प्रयास रत हैं. हम २५ सालों से फुकु��"का फार्मिंग कर रहे हैं. हमें आज तक इस

      > > से

      > > > अच्छी कोई विधि नहीं मिली है. किन्तु यदि किसी को फुकु��"का फार्मिंग में कोई

      > > > त्रुटी मिली हो तो जरुर बताएं हम उस का समाधान करने की कोशिस करेंगे.

      > > > राजू

      > > > (translation by Google)

      > > > Dear Friends,

      > > > I am a farmer I want to protect their farming. I have Bill's Parmaculture

      > > > the training. But I have to say. We do not Bill for understanding rather

      > > > Fukuoka is assembled. Bills are backed by Fukuoka. We respect all of them

      > > > today to save our environment for our collective future La efforts are

      > > > engaged. We are 25 years Fukuoka farming. We have no way better than this

      > > > today. But if someone in Fukuoka farming received a mistake to resolve

      > > the

      > > > effort we will surely tell.

      > > > Raju

      > > >

      > > >

      > > > On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 4:32 PM, Jason <macropneuma@ ...<macropneuma% 40yahoo.com. au>

      > > <macropneuma% 40yahoo.com. au>>

      > >

      > > > wrote:

      > > >

      > > > >

      > > > >

      > > > > Larry wouldn't say that he always gets everything right -infallible-

      > > > > meanwhile Bob it has suited your whitewash here to try deceiving us all

      > > > that

      > > > > Larry is. To the contrary Larry wouldn't put himself forward as the

      > > > > infallible highest disciple of a Fukuoka-cult.

      > > > >

      > > > > Ego is illusion, does not exist -eg. U.S. American Abraham Maslow,

      > > > > Transpersonal Psyches, etc.

      > > > >

      > > > > "

      > > > >

      > > > > Masanobu Fukuoka

      > > > > 1985

      > > > > The Natural Way of Farming

      > > > > Japan Publications

      > > > > Translated by Frederic P. Metreaud

      > > > > 280 pages

      > > > >

      > > > > Contents

      > > > >

      > > >

      > > ============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ========= ========= =========

      > > > > ...

      > > > >

      > > > > Introduction 15

      > > > >

      > > >

      > > ============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ========= ========= =========

      > > > >

      > > > > Anyone Can be a Quarter-Acre Farmer

      > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -

      > > > > ...

      > > > >

      > > > > "Do-Nothing" Farming 16

      > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -

      > > > > ...

      > > > >

      > > > > Follow the Workings of Nature 17

      > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -

      > > > >

      > > > > Natural Farming, the true and original form of agriculture, is the

      > > > > methodless method of nature, the unmoving way of Bodhidharma. Although

      > > > > appearing fragile and vulnerable, it is potent for it brings victory

      > > > > unfought; it is a Buddhist way of farming that is boundless and

      > > yielding,

      > > > > and leaves the soil, the grasses, and the insects to themselves.

      > > > >

      > > > > "

      > > > >

      > > > > That writing by Fukuoka sensei should be read in conjunction with the

      > > > > sections supporting Christianity as well including about integrating

      > > > > Christianity with this Buddhism, the 'one mountain top - many path

      > > ways'

      > > > > section, at least.

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      > > > > --- In fukuoka_farming@ yahoogroups. com<fukuoka_farming% 40yahoogroups. com>

      > > <fukuoka_farming% 40yahoogroups. com><fukuoka_ farming%

      > > > 40yahoogroups. com>,

      > >

      > > >

      > > > > Robert Monie <bobm20001@> wrote:

      > > > > >

      > > > > > Hi,

      > > > > >

      > > > > > In response to the recent ad hominum attacks on permaculture

      > > > originators

      > > > > and practitioners that have been expressed on this list, we ought to

      > > keep

      > > > in

      > > > > mind that Larry Korn addressed the issue of the relationship of Fukuoka

      > > > to

      > > > > Permaculture in a temperate and well-crafted essay that can be read at

      > > > > http://www.permacul ture.com/ drupal/node/ 140. Korn, who has made a

      > > living

      > > > > as a professional landscaper for many years, first in the Berkeley, CA

      > > > area,

      > > > > and now in Oregon, studied personally with Fukuoka in Japan for over a

      > > > year

      > > > > and eventually secured permission from Fukuoka to translate One Straw

      > > > > Revolution into English. Korn's translation has remained the standard

      > > one

      > > > > throughout three printings: the original Rodale edition, the Other

      > > India

      > > > > edition, and the recent New York Review of Books Classic edition..

      > > Fukuoka

      > > > > and the Fukuoka estate have regarded Korn as a true and faithful

      > > > interpreter

      > > > > of Fukuoka's teachings to the English-speaking word, so it should be of

      > > > > > some interest to all on this list to see what Korn says about Bill

      > > > > Mollison and the Permaculture approach to farming/gardening.

      > > > > >

      > > > > > Far from finding any serious discrepancy between Fukuoka's natural

      > > > > farming and Mollison's permaculture, Korn finds it remarkable that

      > > > "Fukuoka

      > > > > and Mollison, working independently on two different continents with

      > > > > entirely different environmental conditions should come up with similar

      > > > > solutions to the question "'how can people live on this planet

      > > > sustainably

      > > > > and in harmony with nature.' " Korn concludes that Mollison and Fukuoka

      > > > > have "taken entirely different routes to get to essentially the same

      > > > > place." Korn even characterizes Fukuoka's own farm as "a classic

      > > working

      > > > > model of permaculture design." Moreover, Larry Korn often appears at

      > > > > Permaculture gatherings and has been known to conduct seminars in

      > > > > permaculture as well as natural farming.

      > > > > >

      > > > > > Korn's analysis is pragmatic and practical; it does not attempt to

      > > > > catapult farming of any kind to the metaphysical or religious sphere.

      > > It

      > > > > does not inquire into the size of Mollison's or Fukuoka's egos or judge

      > > > the

      > > > > purity of their souls or determine Calvinistically if they are in a

      > > state

      > > > of

      > > > > grace-- saved or damned. Such concerns are surely best left to the

      > > > Creator

      > > > > and are of no concern to us flawed and uncertain morals. It is our

      > > > > business to grow food the best we can. On those occasions when I when I

      > > > sell

      > > > > a little of my produce, customers do not ask, "Are you pure of heart;

      > > is

      > > > > your soul spotless and free of sin?" They sensibly ask "How much is

      > > this

      > > > bok

      > > > > choy and is it good to eat?" More and more, some inquire as to how far

      > > > away

      > > > > from the point of sale was the produce grown (in my case, the answer is

      > > > > "about 2 miles." ) In the real world of selling commodities on the

      > > > market,

      > > > > these are the considerations that matter--not the sanctity of the

      > > > > > farmer/seller or the level of his/her spiritual achievement.

      > > > > >

      > > > > > Best wishes in the New Year,

      > > > > >

      > > > > > Bob Monie

      > > > > > New Orleans, LA

      > > > > > Zone 8

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