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  • kornld45
    Jan 4, 2010
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      Hello all, I'd like to join into this discussion but so far my message posts have not been received. I'll try again.
      Larry Korn

      --- In fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...> wrote:
      >
      > प्रिय भाई युगंधर,
      > आप के इस अनुवाद ने मुझे बहुत राहत दी है. अब में खुल कर अपनी बात ग्रुप में रख
      > सकता हूँ. इस के लिए में आपको दिल से धन्यवाद देता हूँ.असल में हिंदी में इस
      > लिए भी लिखना चाहता हूँ जिस से अनेक हिदी भाषी खेतिहर इस ग्रुप का लाभ उठा
      > सकें. इस अनुवाद ने इस में नई जान डाल दी है.मेरा निवेदन है मुझे सर के बदले
      > भाई से संबोधन करें तो मुझे ख़ुशी होगी.
      > धन्यवाद
      > राजू इंडिया
      >
      >
      > On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 12:17 PM, Yugandhar S <s.yugandhar@...> wrote:
      >
      > >
      > >
      > > Dear Raju sir,
      > > Please do not use google translation. Just send your message in Hindi. I
      > > will translate it as soon as possible.
      > >
      > > Group,
      > >
      > > Translated text for the Hindi message:
      > > ===========
      > > Dear Friends,
      > > I am a farmer. I want to save myself, my farm and farming as a whole. I
      > > have taken permaculture training from Bill. But, my opinion is that we are
      > > here to discuss and understand Fukuoka and not Bill. Bill is also a
      > > supporter of Fukuoka. I honor and respect all those who are struggling to
      > > save our environment and our collective future. I am doing Fukuoka farming
      > > since 25 years. To date,I have not found any other method better than this.
      > > But, if anybody has faced any difficulty in practising Fukuoka farming,
      > > please let me know, so that I can try to help you out and answer your
      > > queries.
      > > -Raju.
      > > ===========
      > >
      > >
      > > On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 10:20 AM, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...<rajuktitus%40gmail.com>>
      > > wrote:
      > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > (Hindi)
      > > > प्रिय मित्रो,
      > > > मै एक किसान हूँ मै खेती à¤"र अपने को बचाना चाहता हूँ. मैंने परमाकल्चर की
      > > > ट्रेनिंग बिल से ली है. किन्तु मेरा कहना है. हम यहाँ बिल के नहीं वरन
      > > फुकुà¤"का
      > > > को समझने के लिए जमा हुए हैं.बिल भी फुकुà¤"का के समर्थक हैं. हम उन सब का आदर
      > > > करते हैं जो आज हमारे सामूहिक भविष्य के लिए हमारे पर्यावरण को बचाने के लए
      > > > प्रयास रत हैं. हम २५ सालों से फुकुà¤"का फार्मिंग कर रहे हैं. हमें आज तक इस
      > > से
      > > > अच्छी कोई विधि नहीं मिली है. किन्तु यदि किसी को फुकुà¤"का फार्मिंग में कोई
      > > > त्रुटी मिली हो तो जरुर बताएं हम उस का समाधान करने की कोशिस करेंगे.
      > > > राजू
      > > > (translation by Google)
      > > > Dear Friends,
      > > > I am a farmer I want to protect their farming. I have Bill's Parmaculture
      > > > the training. But I have to say. We do not Bill for understanding rather
      > > > Fukuoka is assembled. Bills are backed by Fukuoka. We respect all of them
      > > > today to save our environment for our collective future La efforts are
      > > > engaged. We are 25 years Fukuoka farming. We have no way better than this
      > > > today. But if someone in Fukuoka farming received a mistake to resolve
      > > the
      > > > effort we will surely tell.
      > > > Raju
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 4:32 PM, Jason <macropneuma@...<macropneuma%40yahoo.com.au>
      > > <macropneuma%40yahoo.com.au>>
      > >
      > > > wrote:
      > > >
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > > Larry wouldn't say that he always gets everything right -infallible-
      > > > > meanwhile Bob it has suited your whitewash here to try deceiving us all
      > > > that
      > > > > Larry is. To the contrary Larry wouldn't put himself forward as the
      > > > > infallible highest disciple of a Fukuoka-cult.
      > > > >
      > > > > Ego is illusion, does not exist -eg. U.S. American Abraham Maslow,
      > > > > Transpersonal Psyches, etc.
      > > > >
      > > > > "
      > > > >
      > > > > Masanobu Fukuoka
      > > > > 1985
      > > > > The Natural Way of Farming
      > > > > Japan Publications
      > > > > Translated by Frederic P. Metreaud
      > > > > 280 pages
      > > > >
      > > > > Contents
      > > > >
      > > >
      > > ===========================================================================
      > > > > ...
      > > > >
      > > > > Introduction 15
      > > > >
      > > >
      > > ===========================================================================
      > > > >
      > > > > Anyone Can be a Quarter-Acre Farmer
      > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------
      > > > > ...
      > > > >
      > > > > "Do-Nothing" Farming 16
      > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------
      > > > > ...
      > > > >
      > > > > Follow the Workings of Nature 17
      > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------
      > > > >
      > > > > Natural Farming, the true and original form of agriculture, is the
      > > > > methodless method of nature, the unmoving way of Bodhidharma. Although
      > > > > appearing fragile and vulnerable, it is potent for it brings victory
      > > > > unfought; it is a Buddhist way of farming that is boundless and
      > > yielding,
      > > > > and leaves the soil, the grasses, and the insects to themselves.
      > > > >
      > > > > "
      > > > >
      > > > > That writing by Fukuoka sensei should be read in conjunction with the
      > > > > sections supporting Christianity as well including about integrating
      > > > > Christianity with this Buddhism, the 'one mountain top - many path
      > > ways'
      > > > > section, at least.
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      > > > > --- In fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com<fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com>
      > > <fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%
      > > > 40yahoogroups.com>,
      > >
      > > >
      > > > > Robert Monie <bobm20001@> wrote:
      > > > > >
      > > > > > Hi,
      > > > > >
      > > > > > In response to the recent ad hominum attacks on permaculture
      > > > originators
      > > > > and practitioners that have been expressed on this list, we ought to
      > > keep
      > > > in
      > > > > mind that Larry Korn addressed the issue of the relationship of Fukuoka
      > > > to
      > > > > Permaculture in a temperate and well-crafted essay that can be read at
      > > > > http://www.permaculture.com/drupal/node/140. Korn, who has made a
      > > living
      > > > > as a professional landscaper for many years, first in the Berkeley, CA
      > > > area,
      > > > > and now in Oregon, studied personally with Fukuoka in Japan for over a
      > > > year
      > > > > and eventually secured permission from Fukuoka to translate One Straw
      > > > > Revolution into English. Korn's translation has remained the standard
      > > one
      > > > > throughout three printings: the original Rodale edition, the Other
      > > India
      > > > > edition, and the recent New York Review of Books Classic edition.
      > > Fukuoka
      > > > > and the Fukuoka estate have regarded Korn as a true and faithful
      > > > interpreter
      > > > > of Fukuoka's teachings to the English-speaking word, so it should be of
      > > > > > some interest to all on this list to see what Korn says about Bill
      > > > > Mollison and the Permaculture approach to farming/gardening.
      > > > > >
      > > > > > Far from finding any serious discrepancy between Fukuoka's natural
      > > > > farming and Mollison's permaculture, Korn finds it remarkable that
      > > > "Fukuoka
      > > > > and Mollison, working independently on two different continents with
      > > > > entirely different environmental conditions should come up with similar
      > > > > solutions to the question "'how can people live on this planet
      > > > sustainably
      > > > > and in harmony with nature.' " Korn concludes that Mollison and Fukuoka
      > > > > have "taken entirely different routes to get to essentially the same
      > > > > place." Korn even characterizes Fukuoka's own farm as "a classic
      > > working
      > > > > model of permaculture design." Moreover, Larry Korn often appears at
      > > > > Permaculture gatherings and has been known to conduct seminars in
      > > > > permaculture as well as natural farming.
      > > > > >
      > > > > > Korn's analysis is pragmatic and practical; it does not attempt to
      > > > > catapult farming of any kind to the metaphysical or religious sphere.
      > > It
      > > > > does not inquire into the size of Mollison's or Fukuoka's egos or judge
      > > > the
      > > > > purity of their souls or determine Calvinistically if they are in a
      > > state
      > > > of
      > > > > grace-- saved or damned. Such concerns are surely best left to the
      > > > Creator
      > > > > and are of no concern to us flawed and uncertain morals. It is our
      > > > > business to grow food the best we can. On those occasions when I when I
      > > > sell
      > > > > a little of my produce, customers do not ask, "Are you pure of heart;
      > > is
      > > > > your soul spotless and free of sin?" They sensibly ask "How much is
      > > this
      > > > bok
      > > > > choy and is it good to eat?" More and more, some inquire as to how far
      > > > away
      > > > > from the point of sale was the produce grown (in my case, the answer is
      > > > > "about 2 miles." ) In the real world of selling commodities on the
      > > > market,
      > > > > these are the considerations that matter--not the sanctity of the
      > > > > > farmer/seller or the level of his/her spiritual achievement.
      > > > > >
      > > > > > Best wishes in the New Year,
      > > > > >
      > > > > > Bob Monie
      > > > > > New Orleans, LA
      > > > > > Zone 8
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