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10447Re: [fukuoka_farming] Re: Larry Korn on Permaculture

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  • Raju Titus
    Jan 4, 2010
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      प्रिय भाई युगंधर,
      आप के इस अनुवाद ने मुझे बहुत राहत दी है. अब में खुल कर अपनी बात ग्रुप में रख
      सकता हूँ. इस के लिए में आपको दिल से धन्यवाद देता हूँ.असल में हिंदी में इस
      लिए भी लिखना चाहता हूँ जिस से अनेक हिदी भाषी खेतिहर इस ग्रुप का लाभ उठा
      सकें. इस अनुवाद ने इस में नई जान डाल दी है.मेरा निवेदन है मुझे सर के बदले
      भाई से संबोधन करें तो मुझे ख़ुशी होगी.
      धन्यवाद
      राजू इंडिया


      On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 12:17 PM, Yugandhar S <s.yugandhar@...> wrote:

      >
      >
      > Dear Raju sir,
      > Please do not use google translation. Just send your message in Hindi. I
      > will translate it as soon as possible.
      >
      > Group,
      >
      > Translated text for the Hindi message:
      > ===========
      > Dear Friends,
      > I am a farmer. I want to save myself, my farm and farming as a whole. I
      > have taken permaculture training from Bill. But, my opinion is that we are
      > here to discuss and understand Fukuoka and not Bill. Bill is also a
      > supporter of Fukuoka. I honor and respect all those who are struggling to
      > save our environment and our collective future. I am doing Fukuoka farming
      > since 25 years. To date,I have not found any other method better than this.
      > But, if anybody has faced any difficulty in practising Fukuoka farming,
      > please let me know, so that I can try to help you out and answer your
      > queries.
      > -Raju.
      > ===========
      >
      >
      > On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 10:20 AM, Raju Titus <rajuktitus@...<rajuktitus%40gmail.com>>
      > wrote:
      >
      > >
      > >
      > > (Hindi)
      > > प्रिय मित्रो,
      > > मै एक किसान हूँ मै खेती और अपने को बचाना चाहता हूँ. मैंने परमाकल्चर की
      > > ट्रेनिंग बिल से ली है. किन्तु मेरा कहना है. हम यहाँ बिल के नहीं वरन
      > फुकुओका
      > > को समझने के लिए जमा हुए हैं.बिल भी फुकुओका के समर्थक हैं. हम उन सब का आदर
      > > करते हैं जो आज हमारे सामूहिक भविष्य के लिए हमारे पर्यावरण को बचाने के लए
      > > प्रयास रत हैं. हम २५ सालों से फुकुओका फार्मिंग कर रहे हैं. हमें आज तक इस
      > से
      > > अच्छी कोई विधि नहीं मिली है. किन्तु यदि किसी को फुकुओका फार्मिंग में कोई
      > > त्रुटी मिली हो तो जरुर बताएं हम उस का समाधान करने की कोशिस करेंगे.
      > > राजू
      > > (translation by Google)
      > > Dear Friends,
      > > I am a farmer I want to protect their farming. I have Bill's Parmaculture
      > > the training. But I have to say. We do not Bill for understanding rather
      > > Fukuoka is assembled. Bills are backed by Fukuoka. We respect all of them
      > > today to save our environment for our collective future La efforts are
      > > engaged. We are 25 years Fukuoka farming. We have no way better than this
      > > today. But if someone in Fukuoka farming received a mistake to resolve
      > the
      > > effort we will surely tell.
      > > Raju
      > >
      > >
      > > On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 4:32 PM, Jason <macropneuma@...<macropneuma%40yahoo.com.au>
      > <macropneuma%40yahoo.com.au>>
      >
      > > wrote:
      > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > Larry wouldn't say that he always gets everything right -infallible-
      > > > meanwhile Bob it has suited your whitewash here to try deceiving us all
      > > that
      > > > Larry is. To the contrary Larry wouldn't put himself forward as the
      > > > infallible highest disciple of a Fukuoka-cult.
      > > >
      > > > Ego is illusion, does not exist -eg. U.S. American Abraham Maslow,
      > > > Transpersonal Psyches, etc.
      > > >
      > > > "
      > > >
      > > > Masanobu Fukuoka
      > > > 1985
      > > > The Natural Way of Farming
      > > > Japan Publications
      > > > Translated by Frederic P. Metreaud
      > > > 280 pages
      > > >
      > > > Contents
      > > >
      > >
      > ===========================================================================
      > > > ...
      > > >
      > > > Introduction 15
      > > >
      > >
      > ===========================================================================
      > > >
      > > > Anyone Can be a Quarter-Acre Farmer
      > > > ----------------------------------------------------------
      > > > ...
      > > >
      > > > "Do-Nothing" Farming 16
      > > > ----------------------------------------------------------
      > > > ...
      > > >
      > > > Follow the Workings of Nature 17
      > > > ----------------------------------------------------------
      > > >
      > > > Natural Farming, the true and original form of agriculture, is the
      > > > methodless method of nature, the unmoving way of Bodhidharma. Although
      > > > appearing fragile and vulnerable, it is potent for it brings victory
      > > > unfought; it is a Buddhist way of farming that is boundless and
      > yielding,
      > > > and leaves the soil, the grasses, and the insects to themselves.
      > > >
      > > > "
      > > >
      > > > That writing by Fukuoka sensei should be read in conjunction with the
      > > > sections supporting Christianity as well including about integrating
      > > > Christianity with this Buddhism, the 'one mountain top - many path
      > ways'
      > > > section, at least.
      > > >
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      > > >
      > > > --- In fukuoka_farming@yahoogroups.com<fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com>
      > <fukuoka_farming%40yahoogroups.com><fukuoka_farming%
      > > 40yahoogroups.com>,
      >
      > >
      > > > Robert Monie <bobm20001@...> wrote:
      > > > >
      > > > > Hi,
      > > > >
      > > > > In response to the recent ad hominum attacks on permaculture
      > > originators
      > > > and practitioners that have been expressed on this list, we ought to
      > keep
      > > in
      > > > mind that Larry Korn addressed the issue of the relationship of Fukuoka
      > > to
      > > > Permaculture in a temperate and well-crafted essay that can be read at
      > > > http://www.permaculture.com/drupal/node/140. Korn, who has made a
      > living
      > > > as a professional landscaper for many years, first in the Berkeley, CA
      > > area,
      > > > and now in Oregon, studied personally with Fukuoka in Japan for over a
      > > year
      > > > and eventually secured permission from Fukuoka to translate One Straw
      > > > Revolution into English. Korn's translation has remained the standard
      > one
      > > > throughout three printings: the original Rodale edition, the Other
      > India
      > > > edition, and the recent New York Review of Books Classic edition.
      > Fukuoka
      > > > and the Fukuoka estate have regarded Korn as a true and faithful
      > > interpreter
      > > > of Fukuoka's teachings to the English-speaking word, so it should be of
      > > > > some interest to all on this list to see what Korn says about Bill
      > > > Mollison and the Permaculture approach to farming/gardening.
      > > > >
      > > > > Far from finding any serious discrepancy between Fukuoka's natural
      > > > farming and Mollison's permaculture, Korn finds it remarkable that
      > > "Fukuoka
      > > > and Mollison, working independently on two different continents with
      > > > entirely different environmental conditions should come up with similar
      > > > solutions to the question "'how can people live on this planet
      > > sustainably
      > > > and in harmony with nature.' " Korn concludes that Mollison and Fukuoka
      > > > have "taken entirely different routes to get to essentially the same
      > > > place." Korn even characterizes Fukuoka's own farm as "a classic
      > working
      > > > model of permaculture design." Moreover, Larry Korn often appears at
      > > > Permaculture gatherings and has been known to conduct seminars in
      > > > permaculture as well as natural farming.
      > > > >
      > > > > Korn's analysis is pragmatic and practical; it does not attempt to
      > > > catapult farming of any kind to the metaphysical or religious sphere.
      > It
      > > > does not inquire into the size of Mollison's or Fukuoka's egos or judge
      > > the
      > > > purity of their souls or determine Calvinistically if they are in a
      > state
      > > of
      > > > grace-- saved or damned. Such concerns are surely best left to the
      > > Creator
      > > > and are of no concern to us flawed and uncertain morals. It is our
      > > > business to grow food the best we can. On those occasions when I when I
      > > sell
      > > > a little of my produce, customers do not ask, "Are you pure of heart;
      > is
      > > > your soul spotless and free of sin?" They sensibly ask "How much is
      > this
      > > bok
      > > > choy and is it good to eat?" More and more, some inquire as to how far
      > > away
      > > > from the point of sale was the produce grown (in my case, the answer is
      > > > "about 2 miles." ) In the real world of selling commodities on the
      > > market,
      > > > these are the considerations that matter--not the sanctity of the
      > > > > farmer/seller or the level of his/her spiritual achievement.
      > > > >
      > > > > Best wishes in the New Year,
      > > > >
      > > > > Bob Monie
      > > > > New Orleans, LA
      > > > > Zone 8
      > > > >
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