(Fwd) Re: [smith2004-discuss] RATIONAL REVIEW: Smackdown on th
- OK, heres a reply from Steve. (the con FSP article on RR).
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From: Steve Trinward <steve@...>
Date sent: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 10:31:12 -0600
Subject: Re: [smith2004-discuss] RATIONAL REVIEW:
Smackdown on the Free State
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ML - I confess that (largely since I have no interest in moving
anywhere, love Tennessee & Nashville in particular, and have other
priorities here and now?) I have not spent much time perusing the
site, or participating on discussion lists, etc., on this topic...
Most of what I know or don't know comes from
(a) a general impression of what I had seen about the project; and
(b) the live presentation (by Jason and his colleague, whose name is
somewhere in my LNC notes...) at the LNC meeting in D.C. last month
(In which I raised most of these issues in the Q&A afterward, having
just thought of each of them during said presentation.)
I did not get what I considered satisfactory answers to my concerns at
that time; I felt rather that those issues were not being addressed
strongly enough in the presentation.
Much in the same way as I did with my now year-old analyses of the
Massachusetts electoral and initiative campaigns, I mostly wanted to
show what at least one perspective on the FSP leads one to believe
about it. I am delighted that at least some of my biggest concerns are
being addressed, though I did not clearly get that impression from
Jason (maybe part of it was that I was still waking up, due to the
time change, and anticipating the long two days ahead at the LNC
Thanks for clarifying this and correcting it; maybe it would be good
to cross post that to the RR discussion area, so the record is set
Mary Lou Seymour wrote:
> BTW, Steve. your 4 "suggestions are already being done)--
> +Start by focusing on the relative context of Liberty already
> +existing in
> the various states, and not primarily on the relative size of their
> Hell, we have 4 lists and a forum devoted to endless rehashing of
> the liberty "orientation" ofthe 10 states
> +Stop telling everyone how easy it will be to make this happen! You
> present this as a simple matter of infiltrating with enough numbers
> to make a significant impact on the electorate, but give little or
> no weight to the fact that you'll also need folks who can (and are
> willing to) run serious political campaigns, get elected, serve in
> office (probably NOT at the upper levels of government,+ at least
> not initially?)
> But, but, you must not be reading any of the FSP lists or forums;
> there is ENDLESS discussion of this.
> +Don't try to pretend this will be an overnight success!
> Who is acting like that? Remember, I don't see the "public
> presentations" Jason or Elizabeth or anyone makes, I just see the
> day to day organizing stuff. And believe me, no one thinks its gonna
> be overnight.
> +Spend some more time feeling out the existing freedom movements in
> the potentially targeted states, and let the level of 'welcome mat"
> in each of these have a major effect on the ultimate decision of
> where to go.
> Ha. Well, from the beginning, we have contacted all the state LPs,
> and other in state organizations. The NHLP is VERY helpful. The WYLP
> and IDLP have been fairly helpful. You're right, of course, but we
> have done and are doing this since the beginning. Based on the
> Libertarian Party response, frankly, I favor NH.
> So, we're already doing and have been doing all the things you
> mention...what worries me is, WHY didn't you KNOW that?
> What are you basing your assumptions on? The website? A
> presentation? (Clearly you don't read the lists or the forums).
> To me, the problem becomes, WHAT do we need to do to make it plain
> to people like you exactly what we're doing???
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