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  • Ernest Moosa
    Pro-Individualism is the only way to go. With that it becomes easy to understand what we are about. A place that you can be you. EJ ... ===== Where has your
    Message 1 of 8 , Aug 1, 2002
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      Pro-Individualism is the only way to go. With that it
      becomes easy to understand what we are about.

      A place that you can be you.

      EJ


      --- eddie_g_bradford <Eddie_G_Bradford@...>
      wrote:
      > Yes yes I know, and when I first posted that message
      > I considered
      > going into a rather long diatribe about how we are
      > pro-gay rights but
      > not really because we are really pro-everyone rights
      > but not pro-
      > special rights for any one group etc. etc. etc.
      >
      > but then I thought again about it and figured that
      > in the situation
      > in which I posted this message (a libertarian forum)
      > it was implied
      > that we don't take up special rights and that this
      > distinction wasn't
      > nessicary.
      > -Eddie
      >
      > --- In freestateproject@y..., "Adam Gonnerman"
      > <freestatepatriot@h...> wrote:
      > > >From: "eddie_g_bradford" <Eddie_G_Bradford@h...>
      > > Libertarians are very pro-gay/lesbian
      > > >rights but it seems to me like libertarians
      > haven't made many
      > inroads
      > > >into this community.
      > >
      > > Eddie,
      > >
      > > Don't think it's so much that we are
      > "pro-gay/lesbian rights" but
      > we are
      > > rather "pro-equal rights for everybody." I mean
      > this in a non-
      > socialist
      > > sense, by the way. :)
      > >
      > > Adam G.
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      "The individual is the single most important minority. If your rights are removed by the majority, you have been enslaved." EJ

      "If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; and posterity forget that ye were our countrymen." - Samuel Adams

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    • Tim Condon
      ... This probably oughtta go to the other list, but what the hell. Gays assert that they re not demanding special rights, only the rights that everyone else
      Message 2 of 8 , Aug 1, 2002
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        At 03:23 PM 8/1/02 +0000, you wrote:
        >Yes yes I know, and when I first posted that message I considered
        >going into a rather long diatribe about how we are pro-gay rights but
        >not really because we are really pro-everyone rights but not pro-
        >special rights for any one group etc. etc. etc.
        >
        >but then I thought again about it and figured that in the situation
        >in which I posted this message (a libertarian forum) it was implied
        >that we don't take up special rights and that this distinction wasn't
        >nessicary.
        >-Eddie

        This probably oughtta go to the other list, but what the hell.
        Gays assert that they're not demanding "special rights," only the rights
        that everyone else is entitled to (among the categories that discrimination
        is prohibited on the basis of national law include race, age, sex, handicap
        status, religion, and national origin. Libertarians, on the other hand,
        refuse to recognize any "right" by anyone "not to be discriminated
        against." If someone doesn't like...gays, blacks, hispanics, foreigners,
        Catholics, women, Irish, Asians, Italians, etc. they have a perfect right
        to discriminate against any such group, or any other group, on any basis
        they please, both in their personal life and in their business life.
        Libertarians don't like to talk about this area very much I've noticed, but
        it's there. Thus, those who argue in favor of state action to outlaw
        discrimination against various groups and categories are turned off by that
        position. Such as most gays. Tim Condon
      • aerix88
        This probably oughtta go to the other list, but what the hell. ... Seeing as though I am gay and Libertarian all rolled into one, I felt I should respond to
        Message 3 of 8 , Aug 28, 2002
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          This probably oughtta go to the other list, but what the hell.
          > Gays assert that they're not demanding "special rights," only the rights
          > that everyone else is entitled to (among the categories that discrimination
          > is prohibited on the basis of national law include race, age, sex, handicap
          > status, religion, and national origin. Libertarians, on the other hand,
          > refuse to recognize any "right" by anyone "not to be discriminated
          > against." If someone doesn't like...gays, blacks, hispanics, foreigners,
          > Catholics, women, Irish, Asians, Italians, etc. they have a perfect right
          > to discriminate against any such group, or any other group, on any basis
          > they please, both in their personal life and in their business life.
          > Libertarians don't like to talk about this area very much I've noticed, but
          > it's there. Thus, those who argue in favor of state action to outlaw
          > discrimination against various groups and categories are turned off by that
          > position. Such as most gays. Tim Condon

          Seeing as though I am gay and Libertarian all rolled into one, I felt I should
          respond to your posting...

          I don't believe in special rights for any group. I believe anyone can
          discriminate against anyone that they damn well feel they should. However,
          when it comes to rights, what most are referring to are those given by the
          government. The government gets to decide who gets what rights (ie,
          marriage rights) but they should not discriminate. As a Libertarian I believe an
          individual may discriminate, but the state must not, as they are not allowed to
          limit human rights.

          Brett Porter.
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