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RE: [FSP] Liberty seekers - who and what are they seeking

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  • Brian W.
    When I do get going, I tend to write a bit. [.government.steals everything that s not nailed down.] and what can be pried up is not nailed down. I would like
    Message 1 of 31 , May 8, 2009
      When I do get going, I tend to write a bit.

      [.government.steals everything that's not nailed down.] and what can be
      pried up is not nailed down.

      I would like to see the tax burdens revert back to pre-1913 as well. I fear
      we will not get even a portion of that desire; that the prying will start,
      since they pretty much have taken what is not nailed down. If a trend does
      occur to where people start seeing pre-1913 tax rules as good thing, the two
      parties in charge will have to be tossed out, or at lease change
      fundamentally (which I do not see happening). I've been advocating tossing
      them out for quite a while; hence the protest voting I've done all my life.

      Getting the government to change is one thing. That is a matter
      of getting people in and doing it. The real problem is getting the general
      public to understand the need. As long as they think they can get something
      from the government and feel the government owes them, they will keep
      handing over their freedoms until they are in complete in servitude. What
      I've seen of most people, they deserve it.

      People as a whole are not in a position of self sufficiency.
      Most family co-ops have given way to corporate control. And, very few
      immediate families are intact, let alone extended families. Until the law
      enforce and strengthen those entities again, I fear there is no hope. The
      pre-1913 existence had individuals relying on and helping support the family

      There were many things in my replies and I knew was going to be lost in the
      forest of confusion. I considered tossing in different threads, but went
      with that. I will add another for one of the missed areas.

      I'll cut this one shorter.



      From: freestateproject@yahoogroups.com
      [mailto:freestateproject@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Marcy Ch
      Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 5:54 PM
      To: freestateproject@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: Re: [FSP] Liberty seekers - who and what are they seeking

      You guys write a lot.

      The answer is a whole lot simpler -- and far older. Jefferson wrote: "all
      experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils
      are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which
      they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations,
      pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them to
      absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such
      Government and to provide new Guards for their future security."

      That's where we are right now.... "disposed to suffer while evils are
      sufferable." And they ARE sufferable, to most people. Yeah, the economy's
      tanked. TSA and DHS are a pain in the rear. We all know the government
      lies thru its teeth and steals everything that's not nailed down and half
      the stuff that is -- but practically speaking, from my own life, all the
      brouhaha since last September has meant exactly zero change in my life. I
      still go to work every day, I still raise my child, buy food, socialize with
      friends, and plan my gardens. Ditto most of the people I know. The evils
      are presented as very sufferable indeed.

      I read. Widely. I am an ardent archeolibertarian. It grates that 90% of
      the liberty I had at birth (as a baby boomer) vanished. I shudder when I
      consider the years ahead, because I know that this will all come to a head
      eventually -- if only because our monetary system is going to belly up with
      horrific consequences. (At which point the evils will definitley NOT be
      sufferable to me, or anyone else).

      I have a hunch the answer to your first question -- who are the liberty
      seekers -- will be everyone. And what will they be seeking? I'd like to
      think that eventually it will be a tiny federal government along
      constitutional guidelines, something we wouldn't recognize right now if it
      bit us in the collective ass. Sound money, abolition of the Fed and
      rollback of taxes to pre-1913 levels. Real justice, where money and social
      class don't buy a favorable verdict. Food and water that corporations and
      municipalities aren't allowed to poison. The end of empire and militarism.
      Most power exercised on a local, rather than federal, level.

      I keep my fingers crossed that, after the revolution and we are headed for
      one, we will remember our Constitutional roots and go back to them. I'm not
      betting on it. What I will advocate is that my state safeguards my liberty.
      I'm not betting heavily on that either. What might give us a shot is the
      mass realization of how betrayed, ripped off, lied to and manipulated we've
      been by government (who many trusted to be their guardian, provider and
      savior) and the fury that's generated by that realization. Unfortunately,
      by the time we get to that point, it's guaranteed to be bloody. And that
      saddens me.


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    • Tim Condon
      Oh, I got the reference. Still, though. Same reaction. ---Tim ... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
      Message 31 of 31 , May 25, 2009
        Oh, I got the reference. Still, though. Same reaction. ---Tim

        On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 10:58 PM, Jeremy J. Olson <yahoogroups@...>wrote:

        > Heh, tough crowd... No one got the reference?
        > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysistrata
        > At 2009-05-24T17:20:45-0400, <tim@...> wrote:
        > > More likely ruined the marriage. Sex used as a weapon is a terribly
        > > double-edged sword. ---Tim Condon
        > >
        > > On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 11:26 PM, Brian W. <arinora@...> wrote:
        > >
        > > > Maybe-maybe not. It probably just ruined their marriage.
        > > >
        > > > The quote was from someone else, which I placed in the brackets. My
        > > > comment
        > > > followed it.
        > > >
        > > > Brian W.
        > > > _____
        > > >
        > > > From: freestateproject@yahoogroups.com
        > > > [mailto:freestateproject@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Carol
        > > > Moore/Secession.Net
        > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 5:52 AM
        > > > To: freestateproject@yahoogroups.com
        > > > Subject: Re: [FSP] The veterans
        > > >
        > > > I think refusal to give one's husband sex has settled far more :-)
        > --
        > Jeremy J. Olson
        > ------------------------------------
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