- I would tend to (and I know a lot of people are going to detest what I am about to say) make some real-time comparisons to Curtis Slewa s Guardian AngelsMessage 1 of 4 , Dec 7, 2007View SourceI would tend to (and I know a lot of people are going to detest what I am about to say) make some real-time comparisons to Curtis Slewa's Guardian Angels outfits. They grew in numbers, support, and maturity. Militias in general, and NH's in specific, might do well to familiarize itself with the GA's history and how they were perceived-thus treated, and how they overcame the sometimes aggressive reaction by mainstream citizens not to mention local police and los federales. John Flynn McGondel.
To: firstname.lastname@example.orgFrom: mhangell@...: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 09:46:34 -0600Subject: [FSP] Re: [NHPorcupines-announce] NH State Guard / Constitutional Militia,
I would like to make a point or two about militias based on experience in Texas.While there is nothing wrong with an appropriately configured militia, they are looked upon with suspicion by many people. Therefore, it is imperative that the militia behave in a manner that is above reproach, open and above-board.There is a high likelihood that such a militia will be investigated by governmental agencies such as the FBI and Homeland Security. Although it is wrong, it is important to recognize this and not be paranoid about it.And, speaking of paranoia, it is of the utmost importance to not succumb to paranoia and conspiracy theories, no matter how ardently individual members may believe them. Actions should be well thought out and reserved for truly emergency situations. Paranoia can lead to succumbing to inappropriate actions suggested by government undercover agents.In Texas, the militia feared scrutiny, certain individuals became rather enthralled with their power and much of what transpired was "playing at militia" rather than behaving in a manner consistent with well-regulated citizen soldiers. Focus on training and community service until times of real emergency.Follow the Davy Crockett dictum: Make sure you're right and then go ahead.Marie Angell
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- ... experience in Texas. With all due respect, I suspect your usage of the term militia differs from the usage that was in place at the time of theMessage 2 of 4 , Dec 8, 2007View Source--- In email@example.com, Marie Angell <mhangell@...>
>experience in Texas.
> I would like to make a point or two about militias based on
With all due respect, I suspect your usage of the term 'militia'
differs from the usage that was in place at the time of the
ratification of the various State Constitutions, and of the general
By definition, a constitutional militia is a creation of the
government. Its parameters must be described in state statute; it is
expressly *not* a private organization. Was this the case in Texas?
For the record, I was completely ignorant of these facts before doing
some research. I would recommend reading anything by Dr. Edwin Vieira.
Another (free) option would be to check out NH State Rep. Dan Itse's
book-in-progress, "The People's Liberty".
> they are looked upon with suspicion by many people.Absolutely.
Education is an integral part of the New Hampshire effort to raise a
State militia -- especially, education of the legislators.
> There is a high likelihood that such a militia will be investigatedby governmental agencies such as the FBI and Homeland Security.
A militia created by a State government may well be opposed by the
Feds. On the other hand, such a militia would seem to have pretty
solid Constitutional grounds for bringing suit against any Federal
agency that would attempt to curtail it.
> In Texas, the militia feared scrutiny, certain individuals becamerather enthralled with their power and much of what transpired was
"playing at militia" rather than behaving in a manner consistent with
well-regulated citizen soldiers.
Again, if the "militia" was not created by the Legislature and
approved by the Executive, it was in fact "playing at militia", by
And again, I don't mean in any way to disparage any enthusiasm -- lord
knows we *always* need more enthusiasm! It's just a matter of being
sure that we have done all the research. It also helps to have
constitutional scholars and sitting members of the state legislature
involved in organizing the effort!
- At the time the Texas Constitutional Militia was formed, I had the same questions about whether a Constitutional Militia would, by definition, be aMessage 3 of 4 , Dec 9, 2007View SourceAt the time the "Texas Constitutional Militia" was formed, I had the
same questions about whether a "Constitutional Militia" would, by
definition, be a government-initiated-sponsored organization.
Since, of course, the State of Texas was not very inclined toward
organizing a true citizen militia, there was what I considered some
fancy footwork undertaken to go around this.
I'm not a Constitutional scholar and I didn't undertake a deep
research of the matter.
I certainly think that when it comes to efforts such as this, which
are serious and can do both great harm and great good, it is easy for
the effort to sink and its members to get into real trouble.
Even though I was on the periphery of the movement, I saw the danger
signs and, in my view, it was fortunate that the Texas militia
movement faded away before any tragedy (although there may be
underground groups still in existence for all I know).
I'm very pleased to see the thoughtful responses here.
Best regards to all.