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Re: [FSP] An example of brilliant reasoning about the FSP from the Boston Herald

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  • Chris Lawless
    That is excellent.... except for the frozen shithole.... I love it here.... much more so then the socialist shithold of Kalifornia that I was living in. ...
    Message 1 of 12 , Feb 6 6:09 AM
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      That is excellent....
      except for the frozen shithole.... I love it here....
      much more so then the socialist shithold of Kalifornia
      that I was living in.
      --- matt qpublic <mattqpublic@...> wrote:

      > My response to the Boston Herald:
      >
      > Seriously, what bonehead wrote this?
      >
      >
      http://news.bostonherald.com/editorial/view.bg?articleid=180744&srvc=home
      >
      > Sure, I don't smoke, and I think it's great to be
      > able to go out, and not be
      > sick the next day, but when I did go out before the
      > smoking ban, I simply
      > made the choice not to go to clubs or bars that were
      > too smokey.
      >
      > The business owner has no choice but to obey the
      > law. The consumer can make
      > their own choices by deciding what businesses to
      > patronize.
      >
      > Of course, once you have a smoking ban in place, why
      > not ban fatty foods?
      > We did it in NYC. After that, you can ban dancing
      > without a license. We
      > did that too. Almost 100 years ago (originally to
      > keep black people in
      > their own neighborhoods). And the law is still
      > enforced, not because we're
      > racists, but because it generates revenue.
      >
      > I hope you enjoy the slippery slope that leads to a
      > police state, while you
      > use your freedom of speech to belittle those who are
      > defending it, and your
      > other rights as well.
      >
      > Furthermore, the fact that people are not jumping
      > up, selling their houses,
      > and moving to New Hampshire is no reflection on the
      > appeal of Libertarians
      > or the Free State Project. It may just have to do
      > with not wanting to move
      > to a frozen shithole like New Hampshire.
      >
      >
      > --Matt
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > >From: "Jon Isaac" <jon.isaac@...>
      > >Reply-To: freestateproject@yahoogroups.com
      > >To: freestateproject@yahoogroups.com
      > >Subject: Re: [FSP] An example of brilliant
      > reasoning about the FSP from the
      > >Boston Herald
      > >Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 11:55:27 -0500
      > >
      > >Incredible! The astounding ignorance of the basics
      > of libertarianism
      > >exhibited by the "Boston Herald editorial staff"
      > dazzles me. I console
      > >myself by hoping that the hatchet job was written
      > by a two year old having
      > >a
      > >tantrum.
      > >
      > >Jon
      > >
      > >On 2/4/07, tim condon <tim@...> wrote:
      > > >
      > > > *N.H. project up in smoke*
      > > > By *Boston Herald editorial staff*
      > > > Saturday, February 3, 2007
      > > >
      > > > *T*hey're just not making libertarians like they
      > used to.
      > > > Three years ago a merry band of these
      > free-thinkers announced the "Free
      > > > State Project," aimed at bringing 20,000 people
      > to live in New Hampshire
      > > > (you know, the "Live Free or Die" state, as it
      > says on the license
      > >plates)
      > > > by 2007. The idea was to form a critical mass
      > that could have an
      > >important
      > > > influence on public policies.
      > > > But an Associated Press dispatch from Nashua
      > last week reported that the
      > > > 5,454 original participants around the country
      > who signed a pledge to
      > >move
      > > > have grown to only about 7,500.(You don't have
      > to actually move, it
      > >seems,
      > > > until 20,000 pledges have been accumulated and
      > there was no indication
      > >of
      > > > how many had already done so.)
      > > > Project director Varrin Swearingen observed, "It
      > can be tough to start
      > > > over," though he believes his savings in taxes
      > moving from California
      > >paid
      > > > for the move.
      > > > He did, however, note that members who do live
      > in New Hampshire have
      > > > already made a difference "by lobbying against a
      > measure that would have
      > > > banned smoking in restaurants."
      > > > Could this be a clue to what appears to be the
      > lack of appeal of
      > > > libertarians? Surely not all 7,500 feel this
      > way, but for people not in
      > > > the
      > > > movement it just might seem unacceptable
      > selfishness to dress up
      > >personal
      > > > preference as a matter of principle when
      > exercise of that preference
      > > > causes
      > > > discomfort, sometimes acute, to many others.
      > > > Smoke in your own house, if you like, but
      > smoking in restaurants used by
      > > > nonsmokers is on a parallel with assaulting
      > them, which, we presume,
      > > > libertarians would not condone.
      > > >
      > > >
      >
      >http://news.bostonherald.com/editorial/view.bg?articleid=180744&srvc=home
      > > >
      > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been
      > removed]
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > >
      > >
      > >[Non-text portions of this message have been
      > removed]
      > >
      >
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    • matt qpublic
      That is true. I ve been living in Virginia lately. --M ... _________________________________________________________________ Talk now to your Hotmail contacts
      Message 2 of 12 , Feb 6 2:21 PM
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        That is true. I've been living in Virginia lately.


        --M


        >From: "Jason P Sorens" <jsorens@...>
        >Reply-To: freestateproject@yahoogroups.com
        >To: freestateproject@yahoogroups.com
        >Subject: Re: [FSP] An example of brilliant reasoning about the FSP from the
        >Boston Herald
        >Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 13:53:00 -0000
        >
        >--- In freestateproject@yahoogroups.com, "matt qpublic"
        ><mattqpublic@...> wrote:
        >
        > > Furthermore, the fact that people are not jumping up, selling their
        >houses,
        > > and moving to New Hampshire is no reflection on the appeal of
        >Libertarians
        > > or the Free State Project. It may just have to do with not wanting
        >to move
        > > to a frozen shithole like New Hampshire.
        >
        >I'm not sure that someone from New York city has the right to call any
        >other place a "shithole." ;^)
        >

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      • Mike Lorrey
        ... Depending on which part of virginia you are in, you are still in a worse shithole than NH is any day. Mike Lorrey President, Lorrey Aerospace
        Message 3 of 12 , Feb 6 8:59 PM
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          --- matt qpublic <mattqpublic@...> wrote:

          > That is true. I've been living in Virginia lately.

          Depending on which part of virginia you are in, you are still in a
          worse shithole than NH is any day.

          Mike Lorrey
          President, Lorrey Aerospace
          http://www.lorrey.biz
          Founder, Constitution Park Foundation
          Blog: http://intlib.blogspot.com
        • Bill
          ... Took em 10 days from submission to pub date, but whatteryagonnado...? http://news.bostonherald.com/letters/view.bg?articleid=183106 Hey, current rating -
          Message 4 of 12 , Feb 16 9:43 PM
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            tim condon wrote:
            > *N.H. project up in smoke*
            > By *Boston Herald editorial staff*
            > Saturday, February 3, 2007

            Took 'em 10 days from submission to pub date, but whatteryagonnado...?
            http://news.bostonherald.com/letters/view.bg?articleid=183106
            Hey, current rating - by Herald readers - is 4.8/5 stars! Hell, the
            "editorial staff" even gave it a rational title. Has there been a coup...?
            --

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          • Jon Isaac
            Congrats Bill ... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
            Message 5 of 12 , Feb 18 12:26 PM
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              Congrats Bill

              On 2/17/07, Bill <yahoo@...> wrote:
              >
              > tim condon wrote:
              > > *N.H. project up in smoke*
              > > By *Boston Herald editorial staff*
              > > Saturday, February 3, 2007
              >
              > Took 'em 10 days from submission to pub date, but whatteryagonnado...?
              > http://news.bostonherald.com/letters/view.bg?articleid=183106
              > Hey, current rating - by Herald readers - is 4.8/5 stars! Hell, the
              > "editorial staff" even gave it a rational title. Has there been a coup...?
              > --
              >
              > --= Ya can't blame me: I vote for liberty. =--
              > BikerBill=- (c)¿(c)¬
              > allemanse.com=-
              > --= Proud Member - Reality-Based Community =--
              >
              >


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