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Re: [FSP] An example of brilliant reasoning about the FSP from the Boston Herald

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  • Jason P Sorens
    ... houses, ... Libertarians ... to move ... I m not sure that someone from New York city has the right to call any other place a shithole. ;^)
    Message 1 of 12 , Feb 6, 2007
      --- In freestateproject@yahoogroups.com, "matt qpublic"
      <mattqpublic@...> wrote:

      > Furthermore, the fact that people are not jumping up, selling their
      houses,
      > and moving to New Hampshire is no reflection on the appeal of
      Libertarians
      > or the Free State Project. It may just have to do with not wanting
      to move
      > to a frozen shithole like New Hampshire.

      I'm not sure that someone from New York city has the right to call any
      other place a "shithole." ;^)
    • Chris Lawless
      That is excellent.... except for the frozen shithole.... I love it here.... much more so then the socialist shithold of Kalifornia that I was living in. ...
      Message 2 of 12 , Feb 6, 2007
        That is excellent....
        except for the frozen shithole.... I love it here....
        much more so then the socialist shithold of Kalifornia
        that I was living in.
        --- matt qpublic <mattqpublic@...> wrote:

        > My response to the Boston Herald:
        >
        > Seriously, what bonehead wrote this?
        >
        >
        http://news.bostonherald.com/editorial/view.bg?articleid=180744&srvc=home
        >
        > Sure, I don't smoke, and I think it's great to be
        > able to go out, and not be
        > sick the next day, but when I did go out before the
        > smoking ban, I simply
        > made the choice not to go to clubs or bars that were
        > too smokey.
        >
        > The business owner has no choice but to obey the
        > law. The consumer can make
        > their own choices by deciding what businesses to
        > patronize.
        >
        > Of course, once you have a smoking ban in place, why
        > not ban fatty foods?
        > We did it in NYC. After that, you can ban dancing
        > without a license. We
        > did that too. Almost 100 years ago (originally to
        > keep black people in
        > their own neighborhoods). And the law is still
        > enforced, not because we're
        > racists, but because it generates revenue.
        >
        > I hope you enjoy the slippery slope that leads to a
        > police state, while you
        > use your freedom of speech to belittle those who are
        > defending it, and your
        > other rights as well.
        >
        > Furthermore, the fact that people are not jumping
        > up, selling their houses,
        > and moving to New Hampshire is no reflection on the
        > appeal of Libertarians
        > or the Free State Project. It may just have to do
        > with not wanting to move
        > to a frozen shithole like New Hampshire.
        >
        >
        > --Matt
        >
        >
        >
        >
        > >From: "Jon Isaac" <jon.isaac@...>
        > >Reply-To: freestateproject@yahoogroups.com
        > >To: freestateproject@yahoogroups.com
        > >Subject: Re: [FSP] An example of brilliant
        > reasoning about the FSP from the
        > >Boston Herald
        > >Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 11:55:27 -0500
        > >
        > >Incredible! The astounding ignorance of the basics
        > of libertarianism
        > >exhibited by the "Boston Herald editorial staff"
        > dazzles me. I console
        > >myself by hoping that the hatchet job was written
        > by a two year old having
        > >a
        > >tantrum.
        > >
        > >Jon
        > >
        > >On 2/4/07, tim condon <tim@...> wrote:
        > > >
        > > > *N.H. project up in smoke*
        > > > By *Boston Herald editorial staff*
        > > > Saturday, February 3, 2007
        > > >
        > > > *T*hey're just not making libertarians like they
        > used to.
        > > > Three years ago a merry band of these
        > free-thinkers announced the "Free
        > > > State Project," aimed at bringing 20,000 people
        > to live in New Hampshire
        > > > (you know, the "Live Free or Die" state, as it
        > says on the license
        > >plates)
        > > > by 2007. The idea was to form a critical mass
        > that could have an
        > >important
        > > > influence on public policies.
        > > > But an Associated Press dispatch from Nashua
        > last week reported that the
        > > > 5,454 original participants around the country
        > who signed a pledge to
        > >move
        > > > have grown to only about 7,500.(You don't have
        > to actually move, it
        > >seems,
        > > > until 20,000 pledges have been accumulated and
        > there was no indication
        > >of
        > > > how many had already done so.)
        > > > Project director Varrin Swearingen observed, "It
        > can be tough to start
        > > > over," though he believes his savings in taxes
        > moving from California
        > >paid
        > > > for the move.
        > > > He did, however, note that members who do live
        > in New Hampshire have
        > > > already made a difference "by lobbying against a
        > measure that would have
        > > > banned smoking in restaurants."
        > > > Could this be a clue to what appears to be the
        > lack of appeal of
        > > > libertarians? Surely not all 7,500 feel this
        > way, but for people not in
        > > > the
        > > > movement it just might seem unacceptable
        > selfishness to dress up
        > >personal
        > > > preference as a matter of principle when
        > exercise of that preference
        > > > causes
        > > > discomfort, sometimes acute, to many others.
        > > > Smoke in your own house, if you like, but
        > smoking in restaurants used by
        > > > nonsmokers is on a parallel with assaulting
        > them, which, we presume,
        > > > libertarians would not condone.
        > > >
        > > >
        >
        >http://news.bostonherald.com/editorial/view.bg?articleid=180744&srvc=home
        > > >
        > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been
        > removed]
        > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > >
        > >
        > >[Non-text portions of this message have been
        > removed]
        > >
        >
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      • matt qpublic
        That is true. I ve been living in Virginia lately. --M ... _________________________________________________________________ Talk now to your Hotmail contacts
        Message 3 of 12 , Feb 6, 2007
          That is true. I've been living in Virginia lately.


          --M


          >From: "Jason P Sorens" <jsorens@...>
          >Reply-To: freestateproject@yahoogroups.com
          >To: freestateproject@yahoogroups.com
          >Subject: Re: [FSP] An example of brilliant reasoning about the FSP from the
          >Boston Herald
          >Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 13:53:00 -0000
          >
          >--- In freestateproject@yahoogroups.com, "matt qpublic"
          ><mattqpublic@...> wrote:
          >
          > > Furthermore, the fact that people are not jumping up, selling their
          >houses,
          > > and moving to New Hampshire is no reflection on the appeal of
          >Libertarians
          > > or the Free State Project. It may just have to do with not wanting
          >to move
          > > to a frozen shithole like New Hampshire.
          >
          >I'm not sure that someone from New York city has the right to call any
          >other place a "shithole." ;^)
          >

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        • Mike Lorrey
          ... Depending on which part of virginia you are in, you are still in a worse shithole than NH is any day. Mike Lorrey President, Lorrey Aerospace
          Message 4 of 12 , Feb 6, 2007
            --- matt qpublic <mattqpublic@...> wrote:

            > That is true. I've been living in Virginia lately.

            Depending on which part of virginia you are in, you are still in a
            worse shithole than NH is any day.

            Mike Lorrey
            President, Lorrey Aerospace
            http://www.lorrey.biz
            Founder, Constitution Park Foundation
            Blog: http://intlib.blogspot.com
          • Bill
            ... Took em 10 days from submission to pub date, but whatteryagonnado...? http://news.bostonherald.com/letters/view.bg?articleid=183106 Hey, current rating -
            Message 5 of 12 , Feb 16, 2007
              tim condon wrote:
              > *N.H. project up in smoke*
              > By *Boston Herald editorial staff*
              > Saturday, February 3, 2007

              Took 'em 10 days from submission to pub date, but whatteryagonnado...?
              http://news.bostonherald.com/letters/view.bg?articleid=183106
              Hey, current rating - by Herald readers - is 4.8/5 stars! Hell, the
              "editorial staff" even gave it a rational title. Has there been a coup...?
              --

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            • Jon Isaac
              Congrats Bill ... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
              Message 6 of 12 , Feb 18, 2007
                Congrats Bill

                On 2/17/07, Bill <yahoo@...> wrote:
                >
                > tim condon wrote:
                > > *N.H. project up in smoke*
                > > By *Boston Herald editorial staff*
                > > Saturday, February 3, 2007
                >
                > Took 'em 10 days from submission to pub date, but whatteryagonnado...?
                > http://news.bostonherald.com/letters/view.bg?articleid=183106
                > Hey, current rating - by Herald readers - is 4.8/5 stars! Hell, the
                > "editorial staff" even gave it a rational title. Has there been a coup...?
                > --
                >
                > --= Ya can't blame me: I vote for liberty. =--
                > BikerBill=- (c)¿(c)¬
                > allemanse.com=-
                > --= Proud Member - Reality-Based Community =--
                >
                >


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