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  • Jason P Sorens
    ... their ... aides met ... turn the ... grasp on ... role in ... grip.... ... Interesting...but not surprising. Bass has been a leading advocate of REAL ID
    Message 1 of 7 , Jun 5, 2006
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      --- In freestateproject@yahoogroups.com, "Thomas Tuathal Simmons"
      <Creaganlios@...> wrote:
      >
      > My son was on a school trip to Washington, DC last week, and one of
      their
      > stops was Charlie Bass' office. Bass was not in, but one of his
      aides met
      > with the students.
      >
      > My son decided to ask hum(without any prompting from me!), "What do you
      > think of the libertarians and the Free State Project?"
      >
      > The aide answered that we were a group of extremists who wanted to
      turn the
      > clock back 50 years, but, more interesting, that we did not have a
      grasp on
      > the advances in technology that requires a more active government
      role in
      > daily life.
      >
      > Somehow, being able to do things without government is now an excuse for
      > increased government control. Guess they're afraid of losing their
      grip....
      >
      > Thom

      Interesting...but not surprising. Bass has been a leading advocate of
      REAL ID and the Patriot Act. He's one of the bad guys, by and large.
    • Jane
      Proof that at the national level there isn t a dime s worth of difference between a statist R and a statist D. They are all run by shadow government and
      Message 2 of 7 , Jun 5, 2006
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        Proof that at the national level there isn't a dime's worth of
        difference between a statist R and a statist D. They are all run by
        shadow government and kow-tow to the UN etc. I am appalled at how
        many folks calling themselves 'libertarian' do not grasp the scope of
        power and influence the UN has and seeks to have over our lives in
        the form of global governance! This is also an influence that makes
        the parties seem the same...

        At the state level we still have good people in the R party who want
        smaller gov't and less taxation.
        They are your best allies here, but in some cases we get the Ds on
        board, like with the Real ID act.

        You can't always tell and must go by the issues.

        Whenever there is a group promoting a cause, I always check what they
        are doing before advocating or supporting them. For example, while it
        would seem good that Vt Commons wants to secede from the Union, you
        can see on their site they are still carping about the partisan
        matter of 'who stole the national election'. If they were smart, they
        would realize that it does not matter who wins the presidency. This
        is typical partisan bickering that is *encouraged* by those who would
        control us, just to divide us so we won't focus on what they are
        doing to take away our liberties and sovereignty. To me, no matter
        who won the election, it would be 'stolen' because it belongs to the
        shadow gov't. I view Bush bashing in a similar matter, since he alone
        is not responsible for very much of what is and has been going on for
        years.

        Also they love to get people emotionally involved in issues like
        'anti-war'. Well heck, I don't know anyone who likes or wants war,
        but I refuse to be sidetrackedor co-opted by that useless/endless
        debate! Again, it keeps you fighting windmills, while they pass laws
        and get the US to sign treaties to further expand their global
        tentacles...and thus ignoring the real problems.

        Upon further investigation, I see Vt Commons not only recognizes the
        UN as an authority but they are appealing to the UN for their
        secession into an 'area', same of which the UN has in mind for when
        it divides up the world in its global gov't! Amazing!

        Yet some FSPers are promoting these folks, who along with the Vermont
        Republic group, are simply leftovers from the socialist 60s movements
        and by their actions, just speeding along the road to one world
        government.

        Bottom line is: Don't let the enemy get you so upset by the problems
        they have created for us that you take them up on the solutions they
        have offered! It's a trap many have fallen into. It's the old
        "Hegelian Dialect"...and it's their MO so to speak.



        On Jun 5, 2006, at 8:23 AM, Thomas Tuathal Simmons wrote:

        > My son was on a school trip to Washington, DC last week, and one of
        > their
        > stops was Charlie Bass' office. Bass was not in, but one of his
        > aides met
        > with the students.
        >
        > My son decided to ask hum(without any prompting from me!), "What do
        > you
        > think of the libertarians and the Free State Project?"
        >
        > The aide answered that we were a group of extremists who wanted to
        > turn the
        > clock back 50 years, but, more interesting, that we did not have a
        > grasp on
        > the advances in technology that requires a more active government
        > role in
        > daily life.
        >
        > Somehow, being able to do things without government is now an
        > excuse for
        > increased government control. Guess they're afraid of losing their
        > grip....
        >
        > Thom
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      • tim condon
        He needs to be replaced. The GOP primary is the place to nail him. I really hope someone comes on the scene to challenge him in the primaries. If not this
        Message 3 of 7 , Jun 5, 2006
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          He needs to be replaced. The GOP primary is the place to nail him. I really
          hope someone comes on the scene to challenge him in the primaries. If not
          this year, then in two years, when the Free Staters and other advocates for
          personal liberty are much stronger. ---Tim Condon


          On 6/5/06, Jason P Sorens <jsorens@...> wrote:
          >
          > --- In freestateproject@yahoogroups.com, "Thomas Tuathal Simmons"
          > <Creaganlios@...> wrote:
          > >
          > > My son was on a school trip to Washington, DC last week, and one of
          > their
          > > stops was Charlie Bass' office. Bass was not in, but one of his
          > aides met
          > > with the students.
          > >
          > > My son decided to ask hum(without any prompting from me!), "What do you
          > > think of the libertarians and the Free State Project?"
          > >
          > > The aide answered that we were a group of extremists who wanted to
          > turn the
          > > clock back 50 years, but, more interesting, that we did not have a
          > grasp on
          > > the advances in technology that requires a more active government
          > role in
          > > daily life.
          > >
          > > Somehow, being able to do things without government is now an excuse for
          > > increased government control. Guess they're afraid of losing their
          > grip....
          > >
          > > Thom
          >
          > Interesting...but not surprising. Bass has been a leading advocate of
          > REAL ID and the Patriot Act. He's one of the bad guys, by and large.
          >
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          --
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          813-251-2626 Fax: 254-2979 Email: tim@...


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        • Bill Alleman
          ... Not completely true, I would offer. Contention is good. With a statist (since that s the only choice) GOP Congress, I definitely want a statist (again,
          Message 4 of 7 , Jun 5, 2006
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            Jane wrote on 6/5/2006, 10:58 AM:

            > If they were smart, they
            > would realize that it does not matter who wins the presidency.

            Not completely true, I would offer. Contention is good. With a statist
            (since that's the only choice) GOP Congress, I definitely want a statist
            (again, only choice) Dem White House, and vice versa; a position
            eminently justified in recent years, because even if they want the same
            things, they won't admit it publicly. Keep 'em fighting, and less
            authoritarianism actually gets done. Too much DC kumbaya is _always_
            wa-a-ay bad for the rest of us...

            (I've already submitted an inquiry regarding the hired help to the
            Honorable Mr. Bass...)
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          • Jane
            What I meant was, if they are not servants of globalism, they won t get put in office to begin with. Remember what they did to my friend Pat Buchanan?
            Message 5 of 7 , Jun 5, 2006
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              What I meant was, if they are not servants of globalism, they won't
              get put in office to begin with. Remember what they did to my friend
              Pat Buchanan?

              On Jun 5, 2006, at 2:13 PM, Bill Alleman wrote:

              >
              > Jane wrote on 6/5/2006, 10:58 AM:
              >
              >> If they were smart, they
              >> would realize that it does not matter who wins the presidency.
              >
              > Not completely true, I would offer. Contention is good. With a statist
              > (since that's the only choice) GOP Congress, I definitely want a
              > statist
              > (again, only choice) Dem White House, and vice versa; a position
              > eminently justified in recent years, because even if they want the
              > same
              > things, they won't admit it publicly. Keep 'em fighting, and less
              > authoritarianism actually gets done. Too much DC kumbaya is _always_
              > wa-a-ay bad for the rest of us...
              >
              > (I've already submitted an inquiry regarding the hired help to the
              > Honorable Mr. Bass...)
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