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  • tim condon
    Everyone: In the wake of the Florida Libertarian Party endorsement of the Free State Project, I have received the following email from a supportive resident of
    Message 1 of 13 , Apr 4, 2006
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      Everyone: In the wake of the Florida Libertarian Party endorsement of the
      Free State Project, I have received the following email from a supportive
      resident of New Hampshire:

      "Dear Mr. Condon:
      I know a person that summers in Minnesota, and winters in Marco Island, FL.
      He is considering moving his summer base to NH, but keeping his base in
      Marco. I think that snowbirds would really like what Ms. Davis has to say.
      Good luck from Newport, County Sullivan, New Hampshire."

      My response to the above person was as follows: "Thanks for the kind words.
      I have in the past and continue to champion a "Porcupine snowbird" strategy
      for those who simply can't take the coldest part of the winters in New
      Hampshire (I have a friend who has arthritis that's made worse by cold
      weather, for instance). One idea is to pick a single, low-population county
      in Florida for Porc-birds to flock to in the winter (some people are looking
      at Liberty county in the panhandle). Others champion Florida because it
      already has pretty good laws in a range of areas, especially 2nd amendment
      rights and taxes (no state income tax or death taxes). Either way, your
      freedom-loving friend should *certainly* switch where he spends his summers,
      from Minnesota to New Hampshire. The Free State is *beautiful* in the
      summer! (And nice and cool too.) Cheers to you."

      And that got me to thinking. If any of us have liberty-loving friends who
      "winter" in Florida, and go north in the summer, they should be encouraged
      to spend their summers (and springs and falls, for that matter) in the Free
      State. Those interested in having a "Porcupine winter retreat" in Florida
      may want to talk to Ann Davis of the Florida Libertarian Party about it. She
      can be reached at her email address of anndavis2777@....
      --
      Tim Condon, Post Office Box 1007, Tampa, Florida 33601
      813-251-2626 Fax: 254-2979 Email: tim@...
      Living in liberty now: WWW.FREESTATEPROJECT.ORG


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    • Ryan Gray
      I like the idea. I live in Sarasota, Florida and would love to return on a regular basis. I have made many friends here and would love to see them again after
      Message 2 of 13 , Apr 5, 2006
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        I like the idea. I live in Sarasota, Florida and would
        love to return on a regular basis. I have made many
        friends here and would love to see them again after I
        move - even if it is only for a few months a year. A
        very good friend of mine loves the concept of the Free
        State Project but said she cannot move because of
        health problems. This might be a good idea for her as
        well. Does anyone know the minimum number of months a
        year one must "reside" in New Hampshire to be
        considered a resident for voting purposes?

        Ryan

        --- tim condon <tim@...> wrote:

        > Everyone: In the wake of the Florida Libertarian
        > Party endorsement of the
        > Free State Project, I have received the following
        > email from a supportive
        > resident of New Hampshire:
        >
        > "Dear Mr. Condon:
        > I know a person that summers in Minnesota, and
        > winters in Marco Island, FL.
        > He is considering moving his summer base to NH, but
        > keeping his base in
        > Marco. I think that snowbirds would really like
        > what Ms. Davis has to say.
        > Good luck from Newport, County Sullivan, New
        > Hampshire."
        >
        > My response to the above person was as follows:
        > "Thanks for the kind words.
        > I have in the past and continue to champion a
        > "Porcupine snowbird" strategy
        > for those who simply can't take the coldest part of
        > the winters in New
        > Hampshire (I have a friend who has arthritis that's
        > made worse by cold
        > weather, for instance). One idea is to pick a
        > single, low-population county
        > in Florida for Porc-birds to flock to in the winter
        > (some people are looking
        > at Liberty county in the panhandle). Others champion
        > Florida because it
        > already has pretty good laws in a range of areas,
        > especially 2nd amendment
        > rights and taxes (no state income tax or death
        > taxes). Either way, your
        > freedom-loving friend should *certainly* switch
        > where he spends his summers,
        > from Minnesota to New Hampshire. The Free State is
        > *beautiful* in the
        > summer! (And nice and cool too.) Cheers to you."
        >
        > And that got me to thinking. If any of us have
        > liberty-loving friends who
        > "winter" in Florida, and go north in the summer,
        > they should be encouraged
        > to spend their summers (and springs and falls, for
        > that matter) in the Free
        > State. Those interested in having a "Porcupine
        > winter retreat" in Florida
        > may want to talk to Ann Davis of the Florida
        > Libertarian Party about it. She
        > can be reached at her email address of
        > anndavis2777@....
        > --
        > Tim Condon, Post Office Box 1007, Tampa, Florida
        > 33601
        > 813-251-2626 Fax: 254-2979 Email:
        > tim@...
        > Living in liberty now: WWW.FREESTATEPROJECT.ORG
        >
        >
        > [Non-text portions of this message have been
        > removed]
        >
        >
        >
        >


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        A managed democracy is a wonderful thing, Manuel, for the managers... and its greatest strength is a 'free press' when 'free' is defined as 'responsible' and the managers decide what is 'irresponsible'.

        Prof. Bernardo de la Paz in "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress"
        By Robert A. Heinlein

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      • tim condon
        Under the law of New Hampshire there is not minimum number of months you must reside in the state. If you choose to designate New Hampshire as the state of
        Message 3 of 13 , Apr 6, 2006
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          Under the law of New Hampshire there is not "minimum number of months" you
          must reside in the state. If you choose to designate New Hampshire as the
          state of your residence (and where you vote), you can do so, even if you
          spend part of the year elsewhere (as millions of snowbirds do now). However,
          it is illegal to claim residence in two states, and vote in both. ---Tim
          Condon

          On 4/5/06, Ryan Gray <ryanpatgray@...> wrote:
          >
          > I like the idea. I live in Sarasota, Florida and would
          > love to return on a regular basis. I have made many
          > friends here and would love to see them again after I
          > move - even if it is only for a few months a year. A
          > very good friend of mine loves the concept of the Free
          > State Project but said she cannot move because of
          > health problems. This might be a good idea for her as
          > well. Does anyone know the minimum number of months a
          > year one must "reside" in New Hampshire to be
          > considered a resident for voting purposes?
          >
          > Ryan
          >
          > --- tim condon <tim@...> wrote:
          >
          > > Everyone: In the wake of the Florida Libertarian
          > > Party endorsement of the
          > > Free State Project, I have received the following
          > > email from a supportive
          > > resident of New Hampshire:
          > >
          > > "Dear Mr. Condon:
          > > I know a person that summers in Minnesota, and
          > > winters in Marco Island, FL.
          > > He is considering moving his summer base to NH, but
          > > keeping his base in
          > > Marco. I think that snowbirds would really like
          > > what Ms. Davis has to say.
          > > Good luck from Newport, County Sullivan, New
          > > Hampshire."
          > >
          > > My response to the above person was as follows:
          > > "Thanks for the kind words.
          > > I have in the past and continue to champion a
          > > "Porcupine snowbird" strategy
          > > for those who simply can't take the coldest part of
          > > the winters in New
          > > Hampshire (I have a friend who has arthritis that's
          > > made worse by cold
          > > weather, for instance). One idea is to pick a
          > > single, low-population county
          > > in Florida for Porc-birds to flock to in the winter
          > > (some people are looking
          > > at Liberty county in the panhandle). Others champion
          > > Florida because it
          > > already has pretty good laws in a range of areas,
          > > especially 2nd amendment
          > > rights and taxes (no state income tax or death
          > > taxes). Either way, your
          > > freedom-loving friend should *certainly* switch
          > > where he spends his summers,
          > > from Minnesota to New Hampshire. The Free State is
          > > *beautiful* in the
          > > summer! (And nice and cool too.) Cheers to you."
          > >
          > > And that got me to thinking. If any of us have
          > > liberty-loving friends who
          > > "winter" in Florida, and go north in the summer,
          > > they should be encouraged
          > > to spend their summers (and springs and falls, for
          > > that matter) in the Free
          > > State. Those interested in having a "Porcupine
          > > winter retreat" in Florida
          > > may want to talk to Ann Davis of the Florida
          > > Libertarian Party about it. She
          > > can be reached at her email address of
          > > anndavis2777@....
          > > --
          > > Tim Condon, Post Office Box 1007, Tampa, Florida
          > > 33601
          > > 813-251-2626 Fax: 254-2979 Email:
          > > tim@...
          > > Living in liberty now: WWW.FREESTATEPROJECT.ORG
          > >
          > >
          > > [Non-text portions of this message have been
          > > removed]
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > >
          >
          >
          > -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-
          > A managed democracy is a wonderful thing, Manuel, for the managers... and
          > its greatest strength is a 'free press' when 'free' is defined as
          > 'responsible' and the managers decide what is 'irresponsible'.
          >
          > Prof. Bernardo de la Paz in "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress"
          > By Robert A. Heinlein
          >
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          --
          Tim Condon, Post Office Box 1007, Tampa, Florida 33601
          813-251-2626 Fax: 254-2979 Email: tim@...
          Live in Liberty Now? WWW.FREESTATEPROJECT.ORG


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        • Denis Goddard
          ... To be brutally honest, voting does not matter all that much. What matters much, much more is *activism*. Ask yourself these 4 questions: 1. Are you willing
          Message 4 of 13 , Apr 7, 2006
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            --- In freestateproject@yahoogroups.com, Ryan Gray <ryanpatgray@...>
            wrote:
            >
            > Does anyone know the minimum number of months a
            > year one must "reside" in New Hampshire to be
            > considered a resident for voting purposes?

            To be brutally honest, voting does not matter all that much.
            What matters much, much more is *activism*.

            Ask yourself these 4 questions:

            1. Are you willing and able to write or call the members of the NH
            House of Representatives?
            Hint: they'll ask where you live, but not if you're a "real" New
            Hampshirite or an "upside-down snowbird!"

            2. Would you be willing to spend time in front of your computer,
            reading and analyzing the Bills being considered by the Legislature?

            3. Would you be willing to write Letters to the Editor to the
            newspapers in the city or town where you'd reside in NH?

            4. Are you able to be respectful, friendly, yet principled and
            Liberty-oriented in these interactions?

            If you answered "yes" to 2 or more of the above, *you have more say
            than tens of thousands of simple voters*.

            We just PROVED IT with the defeat of HB1177, the proposed Smoking Ban.
            No more than a few dozen of us Free Staters were virtually the ONLY
            ONES active in the opposition to this Socialist bill that has passed
            in virtually every other place it's been tried, and was expected to
            pass overwhelmingly in NH.

            AND WE KILLED IT, THEREBY PRESERVING A FREEDOM.

            Please, come join us. Now! Even if only for the spring and summer
            months, your impact in New Hampshire as a Pro-Liberty Activist can be
            HUGE.

            We're here, we're fighing the fight, we're ready for you to come join
            the righteous fun!
          • tim condon
            Well spoken, Denis, and uplifting too! I can t wait to get up there myself! ... -- Tim Condon, Post Office Box 1007, Tampa, Florida 33601 813-251-2626 Fax:
            Message 5 of 13 , Apr 7, 2006
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              Well spoken, Denis, and uplifting too! I can't wait to get up there myself!
              ---Tim Condon

              On 4/7/06, Denis Goddard <denis.goddard@...> wrote:
              >
              > --- In freestateproject@yahoogroups.com, Ryan Gray <ryanpatgray@...>
              > wrote:
              > >
              > > Does anyone know the minimum number of months a
              > > year one must "reside" in New Hampshire to be
              > > considered a resident for voting purposes?
              >
              > To be brutally honest, voting does not matter all that much.
              > What matters much, much more is *activism*.
              >
              > Ask yourself these 4 questions:
              >
              > 1. Are you willing and able to write or call the members of the NH
              > House of Representatives?
              > Hint: they'll ask where you live, but not if you're a "real" New
              > Hampshirite or an "upside-down snowbird!"
              >
              > 2. Would you be willing to spend time in front of your computer,
              > reading and analyzing the Bills being considered by the Legislature?
              >
              > 3. Would you be willing to write Letters to the Editor to the
              > newspapers in the city or town where you'd reside in NH?
              >
              > 4. Are you able to be respectful, friendly, yet principled and
              > Liberty-oriented in these interactions?
              >
              > If you answered "yes" to 2 or more of the above, *you have more say
              > than tens of thousands of simple voters*.
              >
              > We just PROVED IT with the defeat of HB1177, the proposed Smoking Ban.
              > No more than a few dozen of us Free Staters were virtually the ONLY
              > ONES active in the opposition to this Socialist bill that has passed
              > in virtually every other place it's been tried, and was expected to
              > pass overwhelmingly in NH.
              >
              > AND WE KILLED IT, THEREBY PRESERVING A FREEDOM.
              >
              > Please, come join us. Now! Even if only for the spring and summer
              > months, your impact in New Hampshire as a Pro-Liberty Activist can be
              > HUGE.
              >
              > We're here, we're fighing the fight, we're ready for you to come join
              > the righteous fun!
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              > Yahoo! Groups Links
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >


              --
              Tim Condon, Post Office Box 1007, Tampa, Florida 33601
              813-251-2626 Fax: 254-2979 Email: tim@...
              Live in Liberty Now? WWW.FREESTATEPROJECT.ORG


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            • Ryan Gray
              I intend to be an activist. I also intend to vote for the most pro-liberty candidates - or if there are no pro-liberty candidates running I will vote for the
              Message 6 of 13 , Apr 7, 2006
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                I intend to be an activist. I also intend to vote for
                the most pro-liberty candidates - or if there are no
                pro-liberty candidates running I will vote for the
                ones who I think are the least-dangerous.

                Ryan
                --- Denis Goddard <denis.goddard@...> wrote:

                > --- In freestateproject@yahoogroups.com, Ryan Gray
                > <ryanpatgray@...>
                > wrote:
                > >
                > > Does anyone know the minimum number of months a
                > > year one must "reside" in New Hampshire to be
                > > considered a resident for voting purposes?
                >
                > To be brutally honest, voting does not matter all
                > that much.
                > What matters much, much more is *activism*.
                >
                > Ask yourself these 4 questions:
                >
                > 1. Are you willing and able to write or call the
                > members of the NH
                > House of Representatives?
                > Hint: they'll ask where you live, but not if you're
                > a "real" New
                > Hampshirite or an "upside-down snowbird!"
                >
                > 2. Would you be willing to spend time in front of
                > your computer,
                > reading and analyzing the Bills being considered by
                > the Legislature?
                >
                > 3. Would you be willing to write Letters to the
                > Editor to the
                > newspapers in the city or town where you'd reside in
                > NH?
                >
                > 4. Are you able to be respectful, friendly, yet
                > principled and
                > Liberty-oriented in these interactions?
                >
                > If you answered "yes" to 2 or more of the above,
                > *you have more say
                > than tens of thousands of simple voters*.
                >
                > We just PROVED IT with the defeat of HB1177, the
                > proposed Smoking Ban.
                > No more than a few dozen of us Free Staters were
                > virtually the ONLY
                > ONES active in the opposition to this Socialist bill
                > that has passed
                > in virtually every other place it's been tried, and
                > was expected to
                > pass overwhelmingly in NH.
                >
                > AND WE KILLED IT, THEREBY PRESERVING A FREEDOM.
                >
                > Please, come join us. Now! Even if only for the
                > spring and summer
                > months, your impact in New Hampshire as a
                > Pro-Liberty Activist can be
                > HUGE.
                >
                > We're here, we're fighing the fight, we're ready for
                > you to come join
                > the righteous fun!
                >
                >
                >
                >
                >
                >
                >
                >


                -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-
                A managed democracy is a wonderful thing, Manuel, for the managers... and its greatest strength is a 'free press' when 'free' is defined as 'responsible' and the managers decide what is 'irresponsible'.

                Prof. Bernardo de la Paz in "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress"
                By Robert A. Heinlein

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              • Mike Lorrey
                Yes, the assistant attorney general for covering up election fraud, Bud Fudge Fitch, has stated that residency is a state of mind. Lets take him at his
                Message 7 of 13 , Apr 7, 2006
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                  Yes, the assistant attorney general for covering up election fraud, Bud
                  "Fudge" Fitch, has stated that "residency is a state of mind." Lets
                  take him at his word, eh? In the 2004 election, literally hundreds, if
                  not thousands, of non-residents voted in NH election claiming to be
                  residents in affidavits at the polls, rescinding their claims only days
                  later. Many of those were students attending NH colleges who were
                  previously or have since been arrested by local police for various
                  offenses (public intoxication, open container, DWI, having fun) and
                  have admitted in their arrest records to being non-residents,
                  disclosing their vehicle registration, insurance, and licensing in
                  other states. Bud Fitch has not charged a single one of these students
                  with any crimes.

                  That being said, I would encourage everyone to come, spend a month
                  here, get your DL and vehicle registration, get a concealed weapons
                  permit, and register to vote. You can be a snowbird, a porcbird, or a
                  votebird. If you have a camper, a tent, or other means, find a
                  porcupine already here, arrange to stay with them, camp in their
                  backyard, and get set up. If Bud Fitch gives you trouble, we have
                  mountains of evidence to provide in court that he would be engaging in
                  capricious enforcement to go after you.

                  --- tim condon <tim@...> wrote:

                  > Under the law of New Hampshire there is not "minimum number of
                  > months" you
                  > must reside in the state. If you choose to designate New Hampshire as
                  > the
                  > state of your residence (and where you vote), you can do so, even if
                  > you
                  > spend part of the year elsewhere (as millions of snowbirds do now).
                  > However,
                  > it is illegal to claim residence in two states, and vote in both.
                  > ---Tim
                  > Condon
                  >
                  > On 4/5/06, Ryan Gray <ryanpatgray@...> wrote:
                  > >
                  > > I like the idea. I live in Sarasota, Florida and would
                  > > love to return on a regular basis. I have made many
                  > > friends here and would love to see them again after I
                  > > move - even if it is only for a few months a year. A
                  > > very good friend of mine loves the concept of the Free
                  > > State Project but said she cannot move because of
                  > > health problems. This might be a good idea for her as
                  > > well. Does anyone know the minimum number of months a
                  > > year one must "reside" in New Hampshire to be
                  > > considered a resident for voting purposes?
                  > >
                  > > Ryan
                  > >
                  > > --- tim condon <tim@...> wrote:
                  > >
                  > > > Everyone: In the wake of the Florida Libertarian
                  > > > Party endorsement of the
                  > > > Free State Project, I have received the following
                  > > > email from a supportive
                  > > > resident of New Hampshire:
                  > > >
                  > > > "Dear Mr. Condon:
                  > > > I know a person that summers in Minnesota, and
                  > > > winters in Marco Island, FL.
                  > > > He is considering moving his summer base to NH, but
                  > > > keeping his base in
                  > > > Marco. I think that snowbirds would really like
                  > > > what Ms. Davis has to say.
                  > > > Good luck from Newport, County Sullivan, New
                  > > > Hampshire."
                  > > >
                  > > > My response to the above person was as follows:
                  > > > "Thanks for the kind words.
                  > > > I have in the past and continue to champion a
                  > > > "Porcupine snowbird" strategy
                  > > > for those who simply can't take the coldest part of
                  > > > the winters in New
                  > > > Hampshire (I have a friend who has arthritis that's
                  > > > made worse by cold
                  > > > weather, for instance). One idea is to pick a
                  > > > single, low-population county
                  > > > in Florida for Porc-birds to flock to in the winter
                  > > > (some people are looking
                  > > > at Liberty county in the panhandle). Others champion
                  > > > Florida because it
                  > > > already has pretty good laws in a range of areas,
                  > > > especially 2nd amendment
                  > > > rights and taxes (no state income tax or death
                  > > > taxes). Either way, your
                  > > > freedom-loving friend should *certainly* switch
                  > > > where he spends his summers,
                  > > > from Minnesota to New Hampshire. The Free State is
                  > > > *beautiful* in the
                  > > > summer! (And nice and cool too.) Cheers to you."
                  > > >
                  > > > And that got me to thinking. If any of us have
                  > > > liberty-loving friends who
                  > > > "winter" in Florida, and go north in the summer,
                  > > > they should be encouraged
                  > > > to spend their summers (and springs and falls, for
                  > > > that matter) in the Free
                  > > > State. Those interested in having a "Porcupine
                  > > > winter retreat" in Florida
                  > > > may want to talk to Ann Davis of the Florida
                  > > > Libertarian Party about it. She
                  > > > can be reached at her email address of
                  > > > anndavis2777@....
                  > > > --
                  > > > Tim Condon, Post Office Box 1007, Tampa, Florida
                  > > > 33601
                  > > > 813-251-2626 Fax: 254-2979 Email:
                  > > > tim@...
                  > > > Living in liberty now: WWW.FREESTATEPROJECT.ORG
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been
                  > > > removed]
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-
                  > > A managed democracy is a wonderful thing, Manuel, for the
                  > managers... and
                  > > its greatest strength is a 'free press' when 'free' is defined as
                  > > 'responsible' and the managers decide what is 'irresponsible'.
                  > >
                  > > Prof. Bernardo de la Paz in "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress"
                  > > By Robert A. Heinlein
                  > >
                  > > __________________________________________________
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                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > Yahoo! Groups Links
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  >
                  >
                  > --
                  > Tim Condon, Post Office Box 1007, Tampa, Florida 33601
                  > 813-251-2626 Fax: 254-2979 Email: tim@...
                  > Live in Liberty Now? WWW.FREESTATEPROJECT.ORG
                  >
                  >
                  > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > Yahoo! Groups Links
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                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
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                  >


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                • Jane
                  Wow, Mike I was going to suggest the same thing about vote-birds but I didn t know if the can t beat em join em mentality would be the right thing to do
                  Message 8 of 13 , Apr 7, 2006
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                    Wow, Mike I was going to suggest the same thing about 'vote-birds'
                    but I didn't know if the 'can't beat 'em join 'em' mentality would be
                    the right thing to do in light of Fitch's fudging with the voter fraud.
                    And he would be likely to prosecute THOSE folks, don't you know!

                    On Apr 7, 2006, at 6:01 PM, Mike Lorrey wrote:

                    > That being said, I would encourage everyone to come, spend a month
                    > here, get your DL and vehicle registration, get a concealed weapons
                    > permit, and register to vote. You can be a snowbird, a porcbird, or a
                    > votebird.
                  • Ryan Gray
                    Thanks for that info. I like the term voterbird! Ryan ... -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- A managed democracy is a wonderful thing, Manuel,
                    Message 9 of 13 , Apr 8, 2006
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                      Thanks for that info. I like the term voterbird!

                      Ryan

                      --- Mike Lorrey <mlorrey@...> wrote:

                      > Yes, the assistant attorney general for covering up
                      > election fraud, Bud
                      > "Fudge" Fitch, has stated that "residency is a state
                      > of mind." Lets
                      > take him at his word, eh? In the 2004 election,
                      > literally hundreds, if
                      > not thousands, of non-residents voted in NH election
                      > claiming to be
                      > residents in affidavits at the polls, rescinding
                      > their claims only days
                      > later. Many of those were students attending NH
                      > colleges who were
                      > previously or have since been arrested by local
                      > police for various
                      > offenses (public intoxication, open container, DWI,
                      > having fun) and
                      > have admitted in their arrest records to being
                      > non-residents,
                      > disclosing their vehicle registration, insurance,
                      > and licensing in
                      > other states. Bud Fitch has not charged a single one
                      > of these students
                      > with any crimes.
                      >
                      > That being said, I would encourage everyone to come,
                      > spend a month
                      > here, get your DL and vehicle registration, get a
                      > concealed weapons
                      > permit, and register to vote. You can be a snowbird,
                      > a porcbird, or a
                      > votebird. If you have a camper, a tent, or other
                      > means, find a
                      > porcupine already here, arrange to stay with them,
                      > camp in their
                      > backyard, and get set up. If Bud Fitch gives you
                      > trouble, we have
                      > mountains of evidence to provide in court that he
                      > would be engaging in
                      > capricious enforcement to go after you.
                      >
                      > --- tim condon <tim@...> wrote:
                      >
                      > > Under the law of New Hampshire there is not
                      > "minimum number of
                      > > months" you
                      > > must reside in the state. If you choose to
                      > designate New Hampshire as
                      > > the
                      > > state of your residence (and where you vote), you
                      > can do so, even if
                      > > you
                      > > spend part of the year elsewhere (as millions of
                      > snowbirds do now).
                      > > However,
                      > > it is illegal to claim residence in two states,
                      > and vote in both.
                      > > ---Tim
                      > > Condon
                      > >
                      > > On 4/5/06, Ryan Gray <ryanpatgray@...>
                      > wrote:
                      > > >
                      > > > I like the idea. I live in Sarasota, Florida and
                      > would
                      > > > love to return on a regular basis. I have made
                      > many
                      > > > friends here and would love to see them again
                      > after I
                      > > > move - even if it is only for a few months a
                      > year. A
                      > > > very good friend of mine loves the concept of
                      > the Free
                      > > > State Project but said she cannot move because
                      > of
                      > > > health problems. This might be a good idea for
                      > her as
                      > > > well. Does anyone know the minimum number of
                      > months a
                      > > > year one must "reside" in New Hampshire to be
                      > > > considered a resident for voting purposes?
                      > > >
                      > > > Ryan
                      > > >
                      > > > --- tim condon <tim@...> wrote:
                      > > >
                      > > > > Everyone: In the wake of the Florida
                      > Libertarian
                      > > > > Party endorsement of the
                      > > > > Free State Project, I have received the
                      > following
                      > > > > email from a supportive
                      > > > > resident of New Hampshire:
                      > > > >
                      > > > > "Dear Mr. Condon:
                      > > > > I know a person that summers in Minnesota, and
                      > > > > winters in Marco Island, FL.
                      > > > > He is considering moving his summer base to
                      > NH, but
                      > > > > keeping his base in
                      > > > > Marco. I think that snowbirds would really
                      > like
                      > > > > what Ms. Davis has to say.
                      > > > > Good luck from Newport, County Sullivan, New
                      > > > > Hampshire."
                      > > > >
                      > > > > My response to the above person was as
                      > follows:
                      > > > > "Thanks for the kind words.
                      > > > > I have in the past and continue to champion a
                      > > > > "Porcupine snowbird" strategy
                      > > > > for those who simply can't take the coldest
                      > part of
                      > > > > the winters in New
                      > > > > Hampshire (I have a friend who has arthritis
                      > that's
                      > > > > made worse by cold
                      > > > > weather, for instance). One idea is to pick a
                      > > > > single, low-population county
                      > > > > in Florida for Porc-birds to flock to in the
                      > winter
                      > > > > (some people are looking
                      > > > > at Liberty county in the panhandle). Others
                      > champion
                      > > > > Florida because it
                      > > > > already has pretty good laws in a range of
                      > areas,
                      > > > > especially 2nd amendment
                      > > > > rights and taxes (no state income tax or death
                      > > > > taxes). Either way, your
                      > > > > freedom-loving friend should *certainly*
                      > switch
                      > > > > where he spends his summers,
                      > > > > from Minnesota to New Hampshire. The Free
                      > State is
                      > > > > *beautiful* in the
                      > > > > summer! (And nice and cool too.) Cheers to
                      > you."
                      > > > >
                      > > > > And that got me to thinking. If any of us have
                      > > > > liberty-loving friends who
                      > > > > "winter" in Florida, and go north in the
                      > summer,
                      > > > > they should be encouraged
                      > > > > to spend their summers (and springs and falls,
                      > for
                      > > > > that matter) in the Free
                      > > > > State. Those interested in having a "Porcupine
                      > > > > winter retreat" in Florida
                      > > > > may want to talk to Ann Davis of the Florida
                      > > > > Libertarian Party about it. She
                      > > > > can be reached at her email address of
                      > > > > anndavis2777@....
                      > > > > --
                      > > > > Tim Condon, Post Office Box 1007, Tampa,
                      > Florida
                      > > > > 33601
                      > > > > 813-251-2626 Fax: 254-2979 Email:
                      > > > > tim@...
                      > > > > Living in liberty now:
                      > WWW.FREESTATEPROJECT.ORG
                      > > > >
                      > > > >
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                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > >
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                      > Manuel, for the
                      > > managers... and
                      > > > its greatest strength is a 'free press' when
                      > 'free' is defined as
                      > > > 'responsible' and the managers decide what is
                      > 'irresponsible'.
                      > > >
                      > > > Prof. Bernardo de la Paz in "The Moon is a Harsh
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                      > > > By Robert A. Heinlein
                      > > >
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                      > > Tim Condon, Post Office Box 1007, Tampa, Florida
                      > 33601
                      > > 813-251-2626 Fax: 254-2979 Email:
                      > tim@...
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                    • Ron Helwig
                      Don t forget that stuff can happen during that part of the year when you re not here. In Hampton Beach, a lot of the business owners are gone over the winter,
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                        Don't forget that stuff can happen during that part of the year when
                        you're not here.

                        In Hampton Beach, a lot of the business owners are gone over the
                        winter, and that's when they're most at risk.

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                      • kd1843
                        You only have to declare NH your residence but that means if you drive getting your license here and car registration here. Harriet _____ From:
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                          You only have to declare NH your residence but that means if you drive
                          getting your license here and car registration here.
                          Harriet

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                          From: freestateproject@yahoogroups.com
                          [mailto:freestateproject@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Gray
                          Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 4:21 PM
                          To: freestateproject@yahoogroups.com
                          Subject: Re: [FSP] Can Snowbirds be Porcbirds?


                          I like the idea. I live in Sarasota, Florida and would
                          love to return on a regular basis. I have made many
                          friends here and would love to see them again after I
                          move - even if it is only for a few months a year. A
                          very good friend of mine loves the concept of the Free
                          State Project but said she cannot move because of
                          health problems. This might be a good idea for her as
                          well. Does anyone know the minimum number of months a
                          year one must "reside" in New Hampshire to be
                          considered a resident for voting purposes?

                          Ryan

                          --- tim condon <tim@...> wrote:

                          > Everyone: In the wake of the Florida Libertarian
                          > Party endorsement of the
                          > Free State Project, I have received the following
                          > email from a supportive
                          > resident of New Hampshire:
                          >
                          > "Dear Mr. Condon:
                          > I know a person that summers in Minnesota, and
                          > winters in Marco Island, FL.
                          > He is considering moving his summer base to NH, but
                          > keeping his base in
                          > Marco. I think that snowbirds would really like
                          > what Ms. Davis has to say.
                          > Good luck from Newport, County Sullivan, New
                          > Hampshire."
                          >
                          > My response to the above person was as follows:
                          > "Thanks for the kind words.
                          > I have in the past and continue to champion a
                          > "Porcupine snowbird" strategy
                          > for those who simply can't take the coldest part of
                          > the winters in New
                          > Hampshire (I have a friend who has arthritis that's
                          > made worse by cold
                          > weather, for instance). One idea is to pick a
                          > single, low-population county
                          > in Florida for Porc-birds to flock to in the winter
                          > (some people are looking
                          > at Liberty county in the panhandle). Others champion
                          > Florida because it
                          > already has pretty good laws in a range of areas,
                          > especially 2nd amendment
                          > rights and taxes (no state income tax or death
                          > taxes). Either way, your
                          > freedom-loving friend should *certainly* switch
                          > where he spends his summers,
                          > from Minnesota to New Hampshire. The Free State is
                          > *beautiful* in the
                          > summer! (And nice and cool too.) Cheers to you."
                          >
                          > And that got me to thinking. If any of us have
                          > liberty-loving friends who
                          > "winter" in Florida, and go north in the summer,
                          > they should be encouraged
                          > to spend their summers (and springs and falls, for
                          > that matter) in the Free
                          > State. Those interested in having a "Porcupine
                          > winter retreat" in Florida
                          > may want to talk to Ann Davis of the Florida
                          > Libertarian Party about it. She
                          > can be reached at her email address of
                          > anndavis2777@....
                          > --
                          > Tim Condon, Post Office Box 1007, Tampa, Florida
                          > 33601
                          > 813-251-2626 Fax: 254-2979 Email:
                          > tim@...
                          > Living in liberty now: WWW.FREESTATEPROJECT.ORG
                          >
                          >
                          > [Non-text portions of this message have been
                          > removed]
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          >


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                          its greatest strength is a 'free press' when 'free' is defined as
                          'responsible' and the managers decide what is 'irresponsible'.

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                        • Mike Lorrey
                          Ayup, there are a lot of folks working into this. I thought of an idea on this today: are there any timeshares in NH? Yeah, there are plenty around ski
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                            Ayup, there are a lot of folks working into this. I thought of an idea
                            on this today: are there any timeshares in NH? Yeah, there are plenty
                            around ski resorts, possibly some in the lakes region as well. Would
                            give you an address here.

                            --- kd1843 <kd1843@...> wrote:

                            > You only have to declare NH your residence but that means if you
                            > drive
                            > getting your license here and car registration here.
                            > Harriet
                            >
                            > _____
                            >
                            > From: freestateproject@yahoogroups.com
                            > [mailto:freestateproject@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Gray
                            > Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 4:21 PM
                            > To: freestateproject@yahoogroups.com
                            > Subject: Re: [FSP] Can Snowbirds be Porcbirds?
                            >
                            >
                            > I like the idea. I live in Sarasota, Florida and would
                            > love to return on a regular basis. I have made many
                            > friends here and would love to see them again after I
                            > move - even if it is only for a few months a year. A
                            > very good friend of mine loves the concept of the Free
                            > State Project but said she cannot move because of
                            > health problems. This might be a good idea for her as
                            > well. Does anyone know the minimum number of months a
                            > year one must "reside" in New Hampshire to be
                            > considered a resident for voting purposes?
                            >
                            > Ryan
                            >
                            > --- tim condon <tim@...> wrote:
                            >
                            > > Everyone: In the wake of the Florida Libertarian
                            > > Party endorsement of the
                            > > Free State Project, I have received the following
                            > > email from a supportive
                            > > resident of New Hampshire:
                            > >
                            > > "Dear Mr. Condon:
                            > > I know a person that summers in Minnesota, and
                            > > winters in Marco Island, FL.
                            > > He is considering moving his summer base to NH, but
                            > > keeping his base in
                            > > Marco. I think that snowbirds would really like
                            > > what Ms. Davis has to say.
                            > > Good luck from Newport, County Sullivan, New
                            > > Hampshire."
                            > >
                            > > My response to the above person was as follows:
                            > > "Thanks for the kind words.
                            > > I have in the past and continue to champion a
                            > > "Porcupine snowbird" strategy
                            > > for those who simply can't take the coldest part of
                            > > the winters in New
                            > > Hampshire (I have a friend who has arthritis that's
                            > > made worse by cold
                            > > weather, for instance). One idea is to pick a
                            > > single, low-population county
                            > > in Florida for Porc-birds to flock to in the winter
                            > > (some people are looking
                            > > at Liberty county in the panhandle). Others champion
                            > > Florida because it
                            > > already has pretty good laws in a range of areas,
                            > > especially 2nd amendment
                            > > rights and taxes (no state income tax or death
                            > > taxes). Either way, your
                            > > freedom-loving friend should *certainly* switch
                            > > where he spends his summers,
                            > > from Minnesota to New Hampshire. The Free State is
                            > > *beautiful* in the
                            > > summer! (And nice and cool too.) Cheers to you."
                            > >
                            > > And that got me to thinking. If any of us have
                            > > liberty-loving friends who
                            > > "winter" in Florida, and go north in the summer,
                            > > they should be encouraged
                            > > to spend their summers (and springs and falls, for
                            > > that matter) in the Free
                            > > State. Those interested in having a "Porcupine
                            > > winter retreat" in Florida
                            > > may want to talk to Ann Davis of the Florida
                            > > Libertarian Party about it. She
                            > > can be reached at her email address of
                            > > anndavis2777@....
                            > > --
                            > > Tim Condon, Post Office Box 1007, Tampa, Florida
                            > > 33601
                            > > 813-251-2626 Fax: 254-2979 Email:
                            > > tim@...
                            > > Living in liberty now: WWW.FREESTATEPROJECT.ORG
                            > >
                            > >
                            > > [Non-text portions of this message have been
                            > > removed]
                            > >
                            > >
                            > >
                            > >
                            >
                            >
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                            > and
                            > its greatest strength is a 'free press' when 'free' is defined as
                            > 'responsible' and the managers decide what is 'irresponsible'.
                            >
                            > Prof. Bernardo de la Paz in "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress"
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                          • lpb52@cotse.net
                            You need a valid residential address in NH, and proof of residency in your particular town, such as a utility bill. The actual regulations are listed here:
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                              You need a valid residential address in NH, and proof of residency in your
                              particular town, such as a utility bill. The actual regulations are
                              listed here:

                              http://www.sos.nh.gov/voting%20in%20new%20hampshire%20new.htm

                              Now, as FSP NH Info Coordinator, and in light of the voter fraud issue NH
                              experienced in the last gubernatorial election where a number of
                              out-of-state students were eligible to vote in NH elections, I want to
                              state clearly that votership should be in conjunction with valid, legal
                              residency. We have gotten a number of requests that hint at the
                              equivalent of "straw man" residency, and we don't encourage or support
                              those kinds of inquiries. I hope the ensuing scrutiny of NH voting
                              practices resulted in that student loophole being closed, BTW, but the
                              NHLA and/or CNHT folks likely know more about that than I do.

                              That being said, there is no minimum number of months required by the
                              State of NH, but, obviously, you can't vote in FL if you're voting in NH.
                              However, you're going to have to choose primary residency for tax
                              purposes, car and driver's license purposes, and certainly voting
                              purposes, and not because of NH requirements. In my case, living
                              temporarily in Maryland, Maryland has it's own set of requirements that
                              drive things no matter what NH state law might be. I've had to bend over
                              backwards in things like driving once a year to get my car registration
                              renewed, pay the property taxes on my car, be in NH a certain amount of
                              time per year, maintaining a physical residence and mailing address, have
                              the majority of my possessions, business contacts, social relationships,
                              etc. in NH to even have a chance at making the case for that. I still
                              have to pay MD state taxes on money earned here.

                              So see what your state says as well, and the main factor dictating primary
                              residency will likely be the physical presence test (how many months out
                              of the year you spend at your primary domicile vs. the other). We'd love
                              it that you spend spring, summer and fall with us in NH to settle that.

                              Lynn

                              > Does anyone know the minimum number of months a
                              > year one must "reside" in New Hampshire to be
                              > considered a resident for voting purposes?
                              >
                              > Ryan
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