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The 2003 New Hampshire Liberty Index

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  • adamxspam
    Hello All, I ve just completed the 2003 New Hampshire Liberty Index, the first edition of an annual rating of New Hampshire legislator voting records.
    Message 1 of 9 , Jan 2, 2004
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      Hello All,

      I've just completed the 2003 New Hampshire Liberty Index, the first
      edition of an annual rating of New Hampshire legislator voting
      records.

      http://lfod.org/2003/

      I hope you find it informative and helpful!
    • James Hammett
      Meetup.com is a FREE internet site which organizes meetings on various topics (currently around 2,760) of them. Topics range all over the place. (Dean used
      Message 2 of 9 , Jan 2, 2004
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        Meetup.com is a FREE internet site which organizes meetings on
        various topics (currently around 2,760) of them. Topics range all
        over the place. (Dean used meetup to organize alot of his volunteer
        effort (he has 2000+ participants in Austin (my town) and 21
        participants in Shanghai CHINA), there are also meetups on Bill
        O'reilly, Poker, knitting, Town Hall, etc) .

        The meetups are unorganized and sort of social get together.
        Participants vote on a location for the meetup the computer system
        then tally's the votes and finds the winner. Members of particular
        topic then get a note asking them to RSVP. If there are not enough
        'YES' RSVP's (5) or not even enough votes (5), the meetup is
        cancelled.

        As I mentioned Howard Dean used meetups to organize his Internet
        Volunteers. Currently the total membership in the Dean meetup world
        wide is >165,000.

        The Free State Project also has a Meetup. (Anyone can suggest an idea
        for a meetup, once the meetup is created they have no control or
        ownership of it and anyone can join or participate). Anyway the FSP
        meetup currently only has 354 participants. The Largest FSP city is
        New York it has 16.

        I think the idea of using meetup.com to network and get people with
        similar ideas active is a good one. It also it fairly automated and
        save much of the overhead of trying to setup the get togethers on
        your own.

        Here is information on the next FSP meetup (Jan 21). Currently the
        participants are voting for local venues and once you join, anyone
        can vote:

        At 9:34 PM -0500 12/31/03, Free State Project Meetup wrote:
        >Subject: Free State Project Meetup: Time to Vote for a Venue
        >Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 21:34:35 -0500 (EST)
        >Status:
        >
        >*Please Do Not Reply to This Message -- For Help, See Below*
        >
        >Your next Austin, TX "Free State Project" Meetup is Wednesday,
        >Jan 21 @ 8PM. The exact location is open for a vote. Vote for
        >your preferred venue now:
        >
        >http://fsp.meetup.com/
        >
        >(You may need to cut & paste this address into your browser.)

        thanks,
        James
        --
        "The proper function of man is to live, not to exist. I shall not
        waste my days in trying to prolong them. I shall use my time." (Jack
        London)
      • cchaynie
        ... Excellent Work!
        Message 3 of 9 , Jan 3, 2004
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          > http://lfod.org/2003/
          >
          > I hope you find it informative and helpful!

          Excellent Work!
        • Tim Condon
          ... What an excellent and extraordinary piece of work! My heartfelt thanks and many kudos go out to the person who did this (along with my heartfelt hope that
          Message 4 of 9 , Jan 3, 2004
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            >>Hello All,
            >>I've just completed the 2003 New Hampshire Liberty Index, the first
            >>edition of an annual rating of New Hampshire legislator voting
            >>records.
            >>http://lfod.org/2003/
            >>I hope you find it informative and helpful!


            What an excellent and extraordinary piece of work! My heartfelt
            thanks and many kudos go out to the person who did this (along with my
            heartfelt hope that he or she is a signed-up Porcupine!). I have several
            observations and suggestions:
            1. It would be a point of interest in future listings to disclose
            what the actual votes were in the House and Senate on each bill. That is,
            how much did the bill pass or fail by in the respective chambers?
            2. It is very interesting that while Republicans tend to dominate
            the higher reaches of the pro-liberty listings, it is true that Republicans
            *also* cluster around the *bottom* of the listings, thus illustrating that
            the GOP harbors both great supporters of individual freedom, and great
            enemies (otherwise known to us "pure" GOP members as "RINO's," or
            "Republicans In Name Only"). As a registered Republican who expects to work
            within the Republican Party in New Hampshire when I move there, one of my
            fondest aims will be to help expunge enemies of liberty from the NH GOP,
            probably by helping to root them out in the primaries.
            3. It is a point of great interest that some of the highest
            pro-liberty ratings (from the Composite Liberty Index) come from Nashua,
            which is right up against the socialist paradise of Massachusetts (in fact,
            many people who live in Nashua commute to jobs in the greater Boston, Mass.
            area). This interesting fact contradicts those who argue that invading
            Massachusetts residents are bringing the ugly, corrupt, and collectivist
            politics of their home state with them. By the same token, it bolsters the
            arguments of those who assert that refugees from Massachusetts to New
            Hampshire are *more* freedom-oriented than many people who have been New
            Hampshire residents for years. This also reinforces those among the FSP
            leadership who argue that we should be intensively recruiting from the New
            England states, looking for freedom-lovers there for whom moves to New
            Hampshire would be neither as expensive nor as disruptive as a move from,
            say, California or Florida.
            4. I would like a clearer explanation of the "Center-weighted
            Index," which I don't quite fully comprehend. A verbal explanation of the
            formula would probably suffice; I'm kinda slow with all those complicated
            number thingies.

            I don't know who "adamxspam" is, but I wish I did...so that I
            could personally thank him or her for putting this intensely interesting
            and useful compendium together. I agree not only with the assessments of
            the votes as they were explained, but I also agree with the decision not to
            use those votes dealing with matters (such as abortion) upon which good
            liberty-loving people may still disagree. THANK YOU VERY, VERY MUCH,
            WHOEVER YOU ARE! (And let me know if I can be of assistance in your future
            endeavors).

            Tim Condon - 813-251-2626 - Tampa, FL - tim@...
            Want Liberty in Your Lifetime? - http://www.freestateproject.org


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          • Mike Lorrey
            ... He is known as atr on the FSP forum. ===== Mike Lorrey Live Free or Die, Death is not the Worst of Evils. - Gen. John Stark Fascists are objectively
            Message 5 of 9 , Jan 3, 2004
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              --- Tim Condon <tim@...> wrote:
              >
              > I don't know who "adamxspam" is, but I wish I did...

              He is known as 'atr' on the FSP forum.

              =====
              Mike Lorrey
              "Live Free or Die, Death is not the Worst of Evils."
              - Gen. John Stark
              "Fascists are objectively pro-pacifist..."
              - Mike Lorrey
              Do not label me, I am an ism of one...
              Sado-Mikeyism: http://mikeysoft.zblogger.com

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            • Bill Alleman
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              Message 6 of 9 , Jan 3, 2004
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                adamxspam wrote on 1/2/2004, 8:21 PM:

                > I've just completed the 2003 New Hampshire Liberty Index, the first
                > edition of an annual rating of New Hampshire legislator voting
                > records.
                >
                > http://lfod.org/2003/


                WOW!
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                BikerBill=- ©¿©¬
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              • Hardy Machia
                I want to add my thanks also. Great work. I think, the Liberty Index should be done by libertarian groups in all states. It means you have to get in there an
                Message 7 of 9 , Jan 3, 2004
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                  I want to add my thanks also. Great work. I think, the Liberty Index
                  should be done by libertarian groups in all states. It means you have
                  to get in there an really look at what's going on instead of being a
                  peanut gallery.

                  I compiled a Liberty Index for Vermont in 1998. I drew some of the
                  same conclusions as this LI. The difference being we had a
                  Libertarian in office and he scored 98%, some Republicans clustered
                  in the 70-75% range. Democrats tended to score lower on average than
                  the Republicans with the Democracts having the worse scores, even
                  worse than Vermont's 4 elected Progressives. Vermont has some low
                  scoring Republicans no where near the level or number of the NH
                  Republicans.

                  Hardy

                  --
                  Hardy Machia * Hardy for Governor 2004
                  (802) 238-3437 * Common Sense Solutions for a Free Vermont
                  hardy@... * http://www.freevermont.org
                • Mike Lorrey
                  ... I think this is a result of two factors: a) there are some really cynical authoritarian democrats using fusion to run as republicans, who recognise the
                  Message 8 of 9 , Jan 4, 2004
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                    --- Hardy Machia <hardy@...> wrote:
                    >
                    > I want to add my thanks also. Great work. I think, the Liberty Index
                    > should be done by libertarian groups in all states. It means you have
                    >
                    > to get in there an really look at what's going on instead of being a
                    > peanut gallery.
                    >
                    > I compiled a Liberty Index for Vermont in 1998. I drew some of the
                    > same conclusions as this LI. The difference being we had a
                    > Libertarian in office and he scored 98%, some Republicans clustered
                    > in the 70-75% range. Democrats tended to score lower on average than
                    > the Republicans with the Democracts having the worse scores, even
                    > worse than Vermont's 4 elected Progressives. Vermont has some low
                    > scoring Republicans no where near the level or number of the NH
                    > Republicans.

                    I think this is a result of two factors:
                    a) there are some really cynical authoritarian democrats using fusion
                    to run as republicans, who recognise the only way to get ahead in NH is
                    as a republican
                    b) some of these individuals are of the fanatically religiously
                    fundamentalist variety, followers of Buchanan, et al.

                    =====
                    Mike Lorrey
                    "Live Free or Die, Death is not the Worst of Evils."
                    - Gen. John Stark
                    "Fascists are objectively pro-pacifist..."
                    - Mike Lorrey
                    Do not label me, I am an ism of one...
                    Sado-Mikeyism: http://mikeysoft.zblogger.com

                    __________________________________
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                  • Tim Condon
                    ... I think Mike s right, but much more likely the former rather than the latter. Democrats who run as Republicans so they can get their grimy hands on the
                    Message 9 of 9 , Jan 4, 2004
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                      > > I want to add my thanks also. Great work. I think, the Liberty Index
                      > should be done by libertarian groups in all states. It means you have to
                      > get in there an really look at what's going on instead of being a peanut
                      > gallery.
                      > >
                      > > I compiled a Liberty Index for Vermont in 1998. I drew some of the same
                      > conclusions as this LI. The difference being we had a Libertarian in
                      > office and he scored 98%, some Republicans clustered in the 70-75% range.
                      > Democrats tended to score lower on average than the Republicans with the
                      > Democracts having the worse scores, even worse than Vermont's 4 elected
                      > Progressives. Vermont has some low scoring Republicans no where near the
                      > level or number of the NH
                      > > Republicans.
                      >
                      >I think this is a result of two factors: a) there are some really cynical
                      >authoritarian democrats using fusion to run as republicans, who recognise
                      >the only way to get ahead in NH is
                      >as a republican b) some of these individuals are of the fanatically
                      >religiously
                      >fundamentalist variety, followers of Buchanan, et al. ===== Mike Lorrey

                      I think Mike's right, but much more likely the former rather than
                      the latter. Democrats who run as Republicans so they can get their grimy
                      hands on the levers of power---also known as "RINO's", Republicans In Name
                      Only---are a national phenomenon, and a national problem. That's why the
                      Club for Growth was formed (by libertarian Steve Moore out of the Cato
                      Institute), to root out and destroy RINO's in the primaries. In Florida for
                      the past several years we've had RINO's running the state
                      Senate---including genuine Democratic political activists who ran as
                      Republicans because they knew they couldn't get elected as Democrats---who
                      continuously agitate for higher taxes, bigger government, more extensive
                      bureaucracy, etc. But *always* for more *types* of taxes, and *higher*
                      taxes. This coming year we have Sen. Tom Lee who will be our state Senate
                      leader. He was a lifelong Democrat who switched to Republican a few months
                      before the election so he could get elected. And here we go again. The good
                      news is that we have *very* strong state house leaders, including the
                      libertarian Tom Feeney (who is now in Congress), who continuously stymie
                      the RINO's in the state Senate who are always trying to "grow the government."

                      Tim Condon - 813-251-2626 -- Tampa, FL - tim@...
                      Want Liberty in Your Lifetime? - http://www.freestateproject.org
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