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  • Alastair Purcell
    I never knew that about the mast height that Christine mentions below. All the specs I have just mention SAIL AREAS Does the 24ft - FIN and 20ft - BILGE rule
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      I never knew that about the mast height that Christine mentions below.
      All the specs I have just mention "SAIL AREAS"

      Does the 24ft - FIN and 20ft - BILGE rule apply to all the Foxcubs produced. [Mk1 and Mk2]???

      Would be interested to know.
      Alastair Purcell.



      ----- Original Message -----
      From: chrshff
      To: foxcub18yacht@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 11:47 AM
      Subject: [foxcub18yacht] Re: Genoa sheets damaging cockpit combing


      Hi! Reb

      I am assuming you want a picture of the sheeting arrangement I am
      currently using. I will see what I can do, when I next go to the
      boat.

      When I bought the boat, it had hanked-on jibs, a 100% and a storm
      jib. Even when I put the bullseyes right at the forward end of the
      track, the leech of the 100% jib was far too loose. I experimented
      with leading the sheets inside the rigging instead, which worked a
      treat for the storm jib, so I ended up with 2 sets of sheets: 1
      through the bullseyes and inside the rigging (for the storm jib), and
      1 through my current "flying blocks" and outside the rigging (for the
      100% jib). Then I changed to r/r and a genoa, and gave up using the
      bullseyes altogether. I had to measure the boat myself, and must
      have got it a bit wrong! The leech of the genoa is far too loose!
      So I am back to square 1, except that the friction caused by the
      blocks is a great deal less than that caused by the bullseyes. The
      flying blocks are forward of the bulleyes, and the clew of the genoa
      almost reaches them, leaving very little room for a barber-hauler,
      which is the only solution I can think of - short of altering the
      sail! Since I sail almost exclusively single-handed, I can do
      without any more complications, so I am putting up with the loose
      leech for now. I don't really want to tighten the leech-line,
      because it makes the leech "hook" and backwinds the main too much.
      So I will have to sort something else out in the long run.

      Incidentally, my Mk I is fin-keeled, and I have a 24ft mast, as
      opposed to the bilge-keeler's 20ft mast. This might have an effect
      on all the angles, perhaps?

      Christine

      --- In foxcub18yacht@yahoogroups.com, <rebel.g@l...> wrote:
      > Morning Christine,
      >
      > Any chance of a picture sometime, I think I understand what your
      saying, but can't quite picture it, and it sounds like a good system.
      >
      > It's of interest to me because both my winches turn the same way
      too.
      >
      > Thanks
      > Reb
      > ----- Original Message -----
      > From: chrshff
      > To: foxcub18yacht@yahoogroups.com
      > Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 10:34 PM
      > Subject: [foxcub18yacht] Re: Genoa sheets damaging cockpit combing
      >
      >
      > Can I sound a note of caution, please?
      >
      > My MK I Foxcub has what I think are the original winches, with
      fixed
      > handles at the bottom. The previous owner turned over the pawls
      in
      > the starboard winch, so that both winches had a decent lead. I
      > didn't realise what he had done, until I nearly lost
      the "innards" of
      > the winch overboard whilst sailing! When I used the port winch,
      it
      > tightened the central fixing screw. When I used the starboard
      winch,
      > it -loosened- it!! This caused the barrel to rise up, and the
      pawls
      > jumped out. I couldn't find any way to stop it! It also
      loosened
      > the fixing bolt underneath the winch. I eventually turned the
      pawls
      > back over, and have had no trouble with the starboard winch since
      > then.
      >
      > I got fed up with the bad lead to the winches and the friction in
      the
      > bullseyes, so I now have nice big blocks with swivel eyes at the
      > bottom, shackled to the nearest stantion base, and bits of bungee
      > from the guardwires to beckets at the top. This setup seems to
      suit
      > my r/r genoa much better, but I can't point as high and the
      sheets
      > tend to catch under the link at the bottom of the capshrouds.
      >
      > What I find most annoying is the way the winches are raked so
      > aggressively outwards. The sheets kept getting tangled round the
      > handles, so I gave up and tied the handles to the eyebolts
      forward of
      > the winches (where my guardwires end), and I just use the winches
      > as "snubbing" winches.
      >
      > Christine
      >
      > --- In foxcub18yacht@yahoogroups.com, "Alastair Purcell"
      > <alastair.purcell@p...> wrote:
      > > Morning John.
      > > It's relatively simple to open up your winch and change the
      gearing
      > to make it rorate in the desired direction. Even if your
      fairleads
      > were too far forward - though I can't imagine there could be such
      a
      > basic design fault on the boat - it will be much easier to wind
      the
      > winches in a more natural fassion.
      > > Good luck.
      > >
      > > ----- Original Message -----
      > > From: John Rogers
      > > To: foxcub18yacht@yahoogroups.com
      > > Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 9:36 PM
      > > Subject: [foxcub18yacht] Genoa sheets damaging cockpit combing
      > >
      > >
      > > Hi folks
      > >
      > > Recently I have noticed that one of my genoa sheets is sawing
      the
      > > cockpit combing badly.
      > >
      > > Both my winches rotate in the same direction meaning the
      sheet
      > has to
      > > be lead to the inboard side of one to winch in - is this
      normal.
      > >
      > > Did I just have my jib fairleads too far forward on the track
      > last season?
      > >
      > > MK2 with 150% genoa - any ideas folks?
      > >
      > > John
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
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    • mark jones
      bilge mk2 here 21 foot exactly. all the best.mark Alastair Purcell wrote: I never knew that about the mast height that
      Message 2 of 2 , May 16, 2005
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        bilge mk2 here
        21 foot exactly.
        all the best.mark

        Alastair Purcell <alastair.purcell@...> wrote:
        I never knew that about the mast height that Christine mentions below.
        All the specs I have just mention "SAIL AREAS"

        Does the 24ft - FIN and 20ft - BILGE rule apply to all the Foxcubs produced. [Mk1 and Mk2]???

        Would be interested to know.
        Alastair Purcell.



        ----- Original Message -----
        From: chrshff
        To: foxcub18yacht@yahoogroups.com
        Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 11:47 AM
        Subject: [foxcub18yacht] Re: Genoa sheets damaging cockpit combing


        Hi! Reb

        I am assuming you want a picture of the sheeting arrangement I am
        currently using. I will see what I can do, when I next go to the
        boat.

        When I bought the boat, it had hanked-on jibs, a 100% and a storm
        jib. Even when I put the bullseyes right at the forward end of the
        track, the leech of the 100% jib was far too loose. I experimented
        with leading the sheets inside the rigging instead, which worked a
        treat for the storm jib, so I ended up with 2 sets of sheets: 1
        through the bullseyes and inside the rigging (for the storm jib), and
        1 through my current "flying blocks" and outside the rigging (for the
        100% jib). Then I changed to r/r and a genoa, and gave up using the
        bullseyes altogether. I had to measure the boat myself, and must
        have got it a bit wrong! The leech of the genoa is far too loose!
        So I am back to square 1, except that the friction caused by the
        blocks is a great deal less than that caused by the bullseyes. The
        flying blocks are forward of the bulleyes, and the clew of the genoa
        almost reaches them, leaving very little room for a barber-hauler,
        which is the only solution I can think of - short of altering the
        sail! Since I sail almost exclusively single-handed, I can do
        without any more complications, so I am putting up with the loose
        leech for now. I don't really want to tighten the leech-line,
        because it makes the leech "hook" and backwinds the main too much.
        So I will have to sort something else out in the long run.

        Incidentally, my Mk I is fin-keeled, and I have a 24ft mast, as
        opposed to the bilge-keeler's 20ft mast. This might have an effect
        on all the angles, perhaps?

        Christine

        --- In foxcub18yacht@yahoogroups.com, <rebel.g@l...> wrote:
        > Morning Christine,
        >
        > Any chance of a picture sometime, I think I understand what your
        saying, but can't quite picture it, and it sounds like a good system.
        >
        > It's of interest to me because both my winches turn the same way
        too.
        >
        > Thanks
        > Reb
        > ----- Original Message -----
        > From: chrshff
        > To: foxcub18yacht@yahoogroups.com
        > Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 10:34 PM
        > Subject: [foxcub18yacht] Re: Genoa sheets damaging cockpit combing
        >
        >
        > Can I sound a note of caution, please?
        >
        > My MK I Foxcub has what I think are the original winches, with
        fixed
        > handles at the bottom. The previous owner turned over the pawls
        in
        > the starboard winch, so that both winches had a decent lead. I
        > didn't realise what he had done, until I nearly lost
        the "innards" of
        > the winch overboard whilst sailing! When I used the port winch,
        it
        > tightened the central fixing screw. When I used the starboard
        winch,
        > it -loosened- it!! This caused the barrel to rise up, and the
        pawls
        > jumped out. I couldn't find any way to stop it! It also
        loosened
        > the fixing bolt underneath the winch. I eventually turned the
        pawls
        > back over, and have had no trouble with the starboard winch since
        > then.
        >
        > I got fed up with the bad lead to the winches and the friction in
        the
        > bullseyes, so I now have nice big blocks with swivel eyes at the
        > bottom, shackled to the nearest stantion base, and bits of bungee
        > from the guardwires to beckets at the top. This setup seems to
        suit
        > my r/r genoa much better, but I can't point as high and the
        sheets
        > tend to catch under the link at the bottom of the capshrouds.
        >
        > What I find most annoying is the way the winches are raked so
        > aggressively outwards. The sheets kept getting tangled round the
        > handles, so I gave up and tied the handles to the eyebolts
        forward of
        > the winches (where my guardwires end), and I just use the winches
        > as "snubbing" winches.
        >
        > Christine
        >
        > --- In foxcub18yacht@yahoogroups.com, "Alastair Purcell"
        > <alastair.purcell@p...> wrote:
        > > Morning John.
        > > It's relatively simple to open up your winch and change the
        gearing
        > to make it rorate in the desired direction. Even if your
        fairleads
        > were too far forward - though I can't imagine there could be such
        a
        > basic design fault on the boat - it will be much easier to wind
        the
        > winches in a more natural fassion.
        > > Good luck.
        > >
        > > ----- Original Message -----
        > > From: John Rogers
        > > To: foxcub18yacht@yahoogroups.com
        > > Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 9:36 PM
        > > Subject: [foxcub18yacht] Genoa sheets damaging cockpit combing
        > >
        > >
        > > Hi folks
        > >
        > > Recently I have noticed that one of my genoa sheets is sawing
        the
        > > cockpit combing badly.
        > >
        > > Both my winches rotate in the same direction meaning the
        sheet
        > has to
        > > be lead to the inboard side of one to winch in - is this
        normal.
        > >
        > > Did I just have my jib fairleads too far forward on the track
        > last season?
        > >
        > > MK2 with 150% genoa - any ideas folks?
        > >
        > > John
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
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        > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/foxcub18yacht/
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        > >
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