Re: Polygraph and Internship question
- When I say, "don't worry about it" I mean, tell them the truth,
that's all they are looking for. Smoking pot once, twice, three
times isn't a big deal. More than five might be questionable but as
long as you haven't experimented with other drugs, most agencies do
not worry about marijuana experimentation. Stay positive and be
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "Dan Morgan"
> Don't even worry about it Jenny
> --- In email@example.com, "Gerrit Volckeryck"
> <gerrit.volckeryck@> wrote:
> > Jenny,
> > Did you inhale ?
> > Gerrit
> > _____
> > Van: firstname.lastname@example.org
> > [mailto:email@example.com] Namens forensicgirl07
> > Verzonden: maandag 19 februari 2007 18:43
> > Aan: firstname.lastname@example.org
> > Onderwerp: [forensic-science] Polygraph and Internship question
> > Hi
> > I have a question about applying to internships. I am a grad
> > and must do an internship. I am filling out some forms currently
> > in one section they ask if you have ever tried drugs in the last
> > years. I am not a drug user, but I did try it once...I amworried
> > I will not get this internship now. Am I going to be banned from
> > forensic job out there? I am really worried.
> > I am actually the most straight laced person out there. Is that
> > time going to prevent me from doing anything?
> > Thanks,
> > Jenny
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
- The Belgian Federal Police is using the polygraph regularly.
They have strict procedures : no one is obliged to take the test, no
pregnant women, no people under influence of medicine, Everything is
videotaped, simple questions are being asked as reference,
The results : (no) lying reactions are only given when everything is
pointing in the same direction, otherwise its an inconclusive test
The polygraph is just another tool in the inquiry, giving information that
would probably never surface otherwise.
A lot of suspects ask themselves for a polygraph test, that is, if they know
Most of the test have a no lying reactions result and the suspects are
Some think they can beat the machine which proves to be very hard.
Errors are of course possible and this possibility is always mentioned in
But frankly : what is the alternative when there remain a lot of doubts,
even after all the earlier questioning, forensic analysis, etc. ?
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[mailto:email@example.com] Namens ejpguerra
Verzonden: woensdag 28 februari 2007 11:35
Onderwerp: [forensic-science] Re: Polygraph and Internship question
Speaking from a UK and European outlook I have to express surprise at
the US belief in the Polygraph. Within the military community (which I
have involvement) and the UK legal system the polygraph is seen at
best as a health check and at worst a tool with which to
intimidate/coerce a confession out of someone. The research done into
the reliability of information gained via a polygraph has not been
subject to randomised/double blind trials and in the main harks back
to the Milgram experiments in conformity.
Perhaps the subjective nature of polygraph testing should be openly
and widely questioned?
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- I find this topic interesting because we have discussed the idea of scientist vs.
technician.....and I would argue that this is would be police science vs. hard science. I find it
hard to believe that certain agencies (including some federal) use the excuse that the
polygraph is a scientific method when interviewing scientists. The truth is that it is an
interogation technique and should not be used to determine if a potential candidate is lying.
- I have to agree (with Yoey6) and I'm afraid to say but I do feel that
Gerrit has failed to grasp that the use of a polygraph is done without
comparison to any calibrated standard and almost totally dependant on
the analysis/interpretation by a "skilled" individual (with the
embodied inconsistencies). It cannot be described as scientific, the
tool is not the problem.
Are we to return to Combe (1853) and his classification of criminals
by phrenology (by the way, his statistics weren't that bad, just
really screwed morals).
And dear jenny, just don't worry .