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  • c.h.thompson
    Dear Dimiter Thank you for your reply. ... DGC: It s fun; I don t spend mental energy :-) [snip] Apart from that, I dare to speculate that quantum computation
    Message 1 of 58 , Mar 1, 2000
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      Dear Dimiter

      Thank you for your reply.

      I wrote:
      > May I suggest that you take a look at my web site before spending too much
      > mental energy thinking about "quantum computation"?

      DGC:
      It's fun; I don't spend "mental energy":-)
      [snip]
      Apart from that, I dare to speculate that quantum computation may be
      possible under the conditions provided by the human brain ONLY,

      CHT:
      I'm afraid the workings of the human brain are not relevant to the theory
      behind the kind of quantum computation I know a little about. The whole
      idea of quantum computation rests on the assumption that QT is right about
      distant particles remaining "entangled". The history of this idea, though,
      is distinctly murky. It's not as if action at a distance was an intended
      feature of the theory, it just dropped out of the mathematical woodwork!
      [See, perhaps, the historical description sketched in my Tangled Methods
      paper: http://www.aber.ac.uk/~cat/Tangled/tangled.html ]

      > Hopefully, there will be a few spin-offs here and there from the process
      of trying to make
      > this work, but the fact is that the theory behind it is false!

      DGC:
      If it is a FACT that the theory behind quantum computation is false,
      http://www.aber.ac.uk/~cat
      then please send your proof to John Preskill
      <preskill@...> .

      CHT:
      I suppose I should have said that I AM PERSONALLY CERTAIN the theory is
      false, not that I can prove it, though, if pressed, I might be able to point
      to a couple of suspect assumptions. What I really meant, though, was that

      (a) the fact that the prediction implies nonlocality means that, if correct,
      it destroys the whole basis of science (which, indeed, is what we are
      seeing!)

      (b) there is no valid evidence that the prediction IS correct.

      The evidence consists almost entirely of the results of optical experiments,
      conducted from about 1969 to the present. Not one of them has used the
      actual test that John Bell proposed. This is for good reason: his test
      assumed that every particle emitted was detected, but with light this never
      happens. As a believer in a purely wave model of light, I see the fact that
      detection is not perfect is inevitable. Be this as it may, Clauser, Horne
      and others devised modified versions of Bell's test that could be applied
      with imperfect detection.

      It's a very long story, I'm afraid: the tests have been abused in a variety
      of ways. The most popular involve deciding to ignore the "detection
      loophole" and assuming that you can substitute the total number of observed
      coincidences for the number of pairs emitted when estimating your
      "correlations". My first published paper was about the bias that this
      introduces. I had discovered it independently, but I now know that the
      first paper that mentions it was in 1970 and several others have
      re-discovered it since. See http://arxiv.org/abs/quant-ph/9611037 ,
      published as "The Chaotic Ball: An Intuitive Analogy for EPR Experiments",
      Found. Phys. Lett. 9, 357 (1996).

      > Sometimes I wonder if they are just pulling our legs!

      DGC:
      Highly unlikely; see
      http://www.arpa.mil/index.html

      CHT:
      I couldn't open this just now. Will try again another day. It's not so
      much that they are pulling our legs as that they are having fun and getting
      research funding and why should they let on that it is probably all a
      fantasy? After all, they can't PROVE it is nonsense any more than I can,
      and I don't suppose they have looked at the original "evidence" as
      critically as I have. I had no vested interest one way or the other, just
      searching for the truth, trying to help science get back on the right track
      ...

      Yours
      Caroline
      c.h.thompson@...
      <http://www.aber.ac.uk/~cat>
    • GRAHAM ENNIS
      Gentleman, Gentleman, PLEASE!!!!!.........amusing, but ONLY propulsion, engineering, and physics!!!!,....NO off-topic discussions please!!! Graham. ... From:
      Message 58 of 58 , Mar 31, 2000
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        Gentleman, Gentleman, PLEASE!!!!!.........amusing, but ONLY propulsion,
        engineering, and physics!!!!,....NO off-topic discussions please!!!

        Graham.

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        > Dear Adrien,
        >
        > >> Dear Neil
        > >>
        > >> Thanks! I had a look at
        > >> http://www.pmicro.kz/MISC/UFL/Almanach/N1_99/Insight.htm .
        > >>
        > >> I believe I already regularly practice your "merging vision", but I'm
        > >afraid
        > >> I probably do not have enough faith to achieve "soft vision". Never
        mind.
        > >> I shall just have to make do with my present episodes in which I feel
        at
        > >one with the whole universe.
        > >
        > >== That's ranked as "Nature Mysticism" ok it its own way but it fails to
        get
        > >one further in or higher up or better cleared.
        >
        > Agreed.
        >
        > >Slightly more relaxing than
        > >masturbation.
        >
        > Ha,ha,hilarious! Adrien you are hilarious! Lucky you were not born during
        > Victorian ages or during catholic Inquisition!!!
        > They did not like hilarious people at these epochs,same as in the White
        House!
        >
        > As far as I am concerned,masturbation does not relax me! I need the
        exoreal
        > or endoreal 3 D + t shapes!!! I will not tell you my dreams of this
        > night...I was with a great Philippina!Ouh là là. And what great buttocks.
        >
        > Do you know,by the way,that in Egypt the government has forbidden the use
        > of Viagra?
        > The reason was because the egyptian government felt Viagra would destroy
        > families even though in the muslim religion you have the right to have 4
        > wives!!!! Hilarious.
        > In French we call a hot man a "hot rabbit".Same in English?
        >
        > It seems we have been drifting away from forcefield propulsion since some
        > days,even though the above topic remains in the "propulsion" sector but
        > vectored by muscles rather than fields!
        >
        > And not that kind of propulsion which will bring us to the moon,at least
        > the moon we see in the skies...
        >
        > Goes for bodily, sensory phenomena and it does not clear the
        > >mind up. It does not need 'faith', merely trust in the incredible
        potential
        > >of the human mind. However if one can FEEL at one with the whole
        universe
        > >why not consider this goes for thinking and awareness too, as well as all
        > >the action?
        >
        > Can you elaborrrate?
        >
        > Cheers,
        >
        > Claude
        >
        >
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