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  • astheeagleflies
    News & Views: Shattering Beliefs http://www.fuel2000.net/newsviews.htm Science explains Time Travel is Possible - How False Interpretations Lead to
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      News & Views: Shattering Beliefs
      http://www.fuel2000.net/newsviews.htm

      Science explains Time Travel is Possible - How False Interpretations
      Lead to Abnormalities

      ABC NEWS: "Only a Matter of Time" - Scientists Explain Why Time
      Travel Is Possible - By Amanda Onion March 6, 2002
      See details at link.

      Follow Comments on News & Views http://www.fuel2000.net/newsviews.htm

      Time to get off that mountian and dump the cherished 'belief'
      (analogy) "That Iron Horse -train- Will Not Move!

      The abnormal shunning I see exhibited of Relativity in favor of
      Quantum is profound. STATISTICS IS NICE (quantum), but only a
      small division of Reality – a generalization model, highly accurate -
      I love statistics. And while we can appreciate holograms, it would
      not be fair to say that a skin flake is ALL OF ME. See additional
      fallacies and shortcomings of Quantum below.

      We do not grow and advance in Science by AVOIDING, like the little
      child, that which we cannot understand.

      ANYONE, (as Einstein said) who pursues Physics far enough, is
      eventually forced into Metaphysics (even Plato understood that -
      since he wrote 'The Physics' & then the sequel 'The Metaphysics' upon
      recognition of two equal halves meeting at the middle, each beginning
      at opposite ends of the ONE spectrum.)

      If we examine matter closely enough it disappears and we find nothing
      but a frequency of vibration.

      The Spectrum between mind and matter, Physics and Metaphysics,
      connect at ZPE, Singularity with mutual mathematical reference points
      throughout.

      The Radius of Curvature of Natural Law is REQUIRED for re-
      interpretation, cruising back to COMMON SENSE, and FINALLY to be able
      to apply Field Propulsion and use those nuclear forces in accord with
      natural law, NOT deadly radiation or Human Species Extinction
      Blasts.........

      Why, we could even recognize the ease with which hydrogen can be
      obtained from water.

      One more Comic Curve Joke here: "I know that I know that I know that
      I am NOT THE ONLY ONE WHO KNOWS"

      It is too simple.

      So why are we polluting ourselves to oblivion - with no major
      scientific support, funding, investors? Oh, well, nothing has
      changed since Tesla and JP, Morgan that is.

      o Neutron Formation by Electron Penetration of the Nucleus: Dr
      Thomas E. Phipps, Jr. (IE vol 5 issue 26 1999) "Generalization of
      Quantum Mechanics via a "Covering Theory": parameters are missing
      from accepted quantum mechanics that are present in the corresponding
      classical theory. (parameters which in classical theory allow
      description not only of classes of motion –general, but also specific
      ones.) Formal Correspondence: as we proceed downward on the scale of
      physical size, considering first stars and planets, next billiard
      balls, then grains of sand, etc., there exists no abrupt physical
      discontinuity, no particular place or boundary at which one can say:
      on this side this set of descriptive equations applies, and on the
      other side that other set applies. Nature builds smoothly; she does
      not erect discontinuous walls in the midst of her machinations.
      Clearly, Phipps, in this article notes the problem of scale
      invariance, and `point-like' localizations which can readily be seen
      as the `zero point' on the sine wave of the Radius of Curvature of
      Natural Law. (ESJ – Hertz' equations of electrodynamics issue 22
      1997)

      Fuel 2000 http://www.fuel2000.net

      EagleHawk
    • Jack Martinelli
      ... From: astheeagleflies To: forcefieldpropulsionphysics@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 5:56 AM Subject: [forcefieldpropulsionphysics] News &
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        Subject: [forcefieldpropulsionphysics] News & Views: Shattering Beliefs

        News & Views: Shattering Beliefs
        http://www.fuel2000.net/newsviews.htm

        Science explains Time Travel is Possible - How False Interpretations
        Lead to Abnormalities

        Why Time travel is not possible:
         
        One object can only occupy one position.  If an object travels
        backward in time, it then occupies two positions.  It doesn't
        matter how many dimensions you have or how you fold space.
         
        If time travel were possible you could easily violate many
        physical conservation laws.  Imagine you travel back in time one
        second.  Then you have two of you with two time machines and you
        are both traveling forward in time to the point where one of you
        traveled backward in time.  Then, at the end of this second one
        of you travels backward one second to a point in time where
        there are two of you  & so now there are three... infinity of
        you.
         
        Regards
         
        Jack Martinelli
         
      • John Schnurer
        Dear Folks, The only time some given xxx is deemed impossible...is if one has to conform to some set of rules ... in this case there is some WOTbu DObru MObo
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          Dear Folks,

          The only time some given 'xxx' is deemed impossible...is if one
          has to conform to some set of rules ...
          in this case there is some WOTbu DObru MObo which ...in the TEXT
          claims you will occupy two places at once....
          What is the rules are different and when you travel in time you
          dissappear from when you are?
          What is the problem then?




          On Mon, 11 Mar 2002, Jack Martinelli wrote:

          >
          > ----- Original Message -----
          > From: astheeagleflies
          > To: forcefieldpropulsionphysics@yahoogroups.com
          > Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 5:56 AM
          > Subject: [forcefieldpropulsionphysics] News & Views: Shattering Beliefs
          >
          >
          > News & Views: Shattering Beliefs
          > http://www.fuel2000.net/newsviews.htm
          >
          > Science explains Time Travel is Possible - How False Interpretations
          > Lead to Abnormalities
          >
          > Why Time travel is not possible:
          >
          > One object can only occupy one position. If an object travels
          > backward in time, it then occupies two positions. It doesn't
          > matter how many dimensions you have or how you fold space.
          >
          > If time travel were possible you could easily violate many
          > physical conservation laws. Imagine you travel back in time one
          > second. Then you have two of you with two time machines and you
          > are both traveling forward in time to the point where one of you
          > traveled backward in time. Then, at the end of this second one
          > of you travels backward one second to a point in time where
          > there are two of you & so now there are three... infinity of
          > you.
          >
          > Regards
          >
          > Jack Martinelli
          >
          > http://www.martinelli.org
          >
        • Steven
          At 18:24 11/03/2002 , you wrote:   ... From: astheeagleflies To: forcefieldpropulsionphysics@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 5:56 AM Subject:
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            At 18:24 11/03/2002 , you wrote:
             
            ----- Original Message -----
            From: astheeagleflies
            To: forcefieldpropulsionphysics@yahoogroups.com
            Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 5:56 AM
            Subject: [forcefieldpropulsionphysics] News & Views: Shattering Beliefs

            News & Views: Shattering Beliefs
            http://www.fuel2000.net/newsviews.htm

            Science explains Time Travel is Possible - How False Interpretations
            Lead to Abnormalities

            Why Time travel is not possible:


             
            One object can only occupy one position. 


            Superposition??
            If an object travels


            backward in time, it then occupies two positions.  It doesn't

            matter how many dimensions you have or how you fold space.


            Tis not the same space time as it once was.

             
            If time travel were possible you could easily violate many


            physical conservation laws.  Imagine you travel back in time one

            second.  T

            hen you have two of you with two time machines and you

            are both traveling

            forward in time to the point where one of you

            traveled backward in

            time.  Then, at the end of this

            second one

            of you travels backward one second to a point in time

            where

            there are two of you

             & so now there are three... infinity of What conservation laws does this violate?

            Steven.
            you.


             
            Regards


             
            Jack Martinelli


             
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          • John Schnurer
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              > <dd>Science explains Time Travel is Possible - How False Interpretations
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            • adrian
              So far, they have cited laws so far taken to be true & valid. Are they NECESSARILY true? IF conservation applies in a local sense then it is offended in a
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                So far, "they" have cited "laws" so far taken to be true & valid. Are they
                NECESSARILY true? IF conservation applies in a local sense then it is
                offended in a global one; Now which one is it going to be? I for one don't
                see HOW one CAN claim that moving an object backwards in time, splits it
                into two, when theoretically time's arrow moves in two directions. Re-done
                as a wave it will be in two and Lord knows how many more places at a time.

                One of the things I got agin math and all that is that axiomatically, that
                is per definiendum , anything goes. One reason why one cannot be sure
                whether math is real or plain imaginary. Oh, it's probably consistent
                allright. So's insanity, one reason why it's so tricky to REASON the insane
                out of it.
                Adrian.




                ----- Original Message -----
                From: astheeagleflies
                To: forcefieldpropulsionphysics@yahoogroups.com
                Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 5:56 AM
                Subject: [forcefieldpropulsionphysics] News & Views: Shattering Beliefs


                News & Views: Shattering Beliefs
                http://www.fuel2000.net/newsviews.htm

                Science explains Time Travel is Possible - How False Interpretations
                Lead to Abnormalities

                Why Time travel is not possible:

                One object can only occupy one position.
                == AHH, but is it really "objects" that exist "out there?
              • Bill Hamilton
                Adrian, I see you do not believe. The high priest of physics and the high priest of mathematics will both have you do penance. :( Let us take the famous
                Message 7 of 8 , Mar 12, 2002
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                  Adrian,

                  I see you do not believe. The high priest of physics
                  and the high priest of mathematics will both have you
                  do penance. :(

                  Let us take the famous equation E = mc2.
                  Is that c as measured in a vacuum? What if in air?
                  water? or crystal? Does it still hold?
                  What if the mass is so tiny that its actual quantity
                  is uncertain? Then there is imprecision and error
                  ranges...beside all that, it is approximately correct.

                  Bill


                  >From: "adrian" <afme@...>
                  >Reply-To: forcefieldpropulsionphysics@yahoogroups.com
                  >To: <forcefieldpropulsionphysics@yahoogroups.com>
                  >Subject: Re: [forcefieldpropulsionphysics] News & Views: Shattering Beliefs
                  >Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 17:05:55 +1300
                  >
                  >So far, "they" have cited "laws" so far taken to be true & valid. Are they
                  >NECESSARILY true? IF conservation applies in a local sense then it is
                  >offended in a global one; Now which one is it going to be? I for one don't
                  >see HOW one CAN claim that moving an object backwards in time, splits it
                  >into two, when theoretically time's arrow moves in two directions. Re-done
                  >as a wave it will be in two and Lord knows how many more places at a time.
                  >
                  >One of the things I got agin math and all that is that axiomatically, that
                  >is per definiendum , anything goes. One reason why one cannot be sure
                  >whether math is real or plain imaginary. Oh, it's probably consistent
                  >allright. So's insanity, one reason why it's so tricky to REASON the insane
                  >out of it.
                  >Adrian.
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > ----- Original Message -----
                  > From: astheeagleflies
                  > To: forcefieldpropulsionphysics@yahoogroups.com
                  > Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 5:56 AM
                  > Subject: [forcefieldpropulsionphysics] News & Views: Shattering Beliefs
                  >
                  >
                  > News & Views: Shattering Beliefs
                  > http://www.fuel2000.net/newsviews.htm
                  >
                  > Science explains Time Travel is Possible - How False Interpretations
                  > Lead to Abnormalities
                  >
                  > Why Time travel is not possible:
                  >
                  > One object can only occupy one position.
                  >== AHH, but is it really "objects" that exist "out there?
                  >
                  >
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                • adrian
                  Hi Bill, I don t believe by habit, only contingently, just use beliefs. What sin did I commit this round? I m quite used to being told off for non-kosher
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                    Hi Bill,

                    I don't believe by habit, only contingently, just use beliefs. What sin did
                    I commit this round? I'm quite used to being told off for non-kosher
                    behaviours. As far as I am concerned any 0 sum formula lies. There's no
                    absolutes or fixed constants. It's sort of octopussy like, can crawl through
                    any hole and clamp around any object. There's no way you can bottle them
                    either. I suppose it is a shade tricky for us skeletal types to think like
                    octopuses? How would one measure an octopus?

                    A.



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                    > Adrian,
                    >
                    > I see you do not believe. The high priest of physics
                    > and the high priest of mathematics will both have you
                    > do penance. :(
                    >
                    > Let us take the famous equation E = mc2.
                    > Is that c as measured in a vacuum? What if in air?
                    > water? or crystal? Does it still hold?
                    > What if the mass is so tiny that its actual quantity
                    > is uncertain? Then there is imprecision and error
                    > ranges...beside all that, it is approximately correct.
                    >
                    > Bill
                    >
                    >
                    > >From: "adrian" <afme@...>
                    > >Reply-To: forcefieldpropulsionphysics@yahoogroups.com
                    > >To: <forcefieldpropulsionphysics@yahoogroups.com>
                    > >Subject: Re: [forcefieldpropulsionphysics] News & Views: Shattering
                    Beliefs
                    > >Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 17:05:55 +1300
                    > >
                    > >So far, "they" have cited "laws" so far taken to be true & valid. Are
                    they
                    > >NECESSARILY true? IF conservation applies in a local sense then it is
                    > >offended in a global one; Now which one is it going to be? I for one
                    don't
                    > >see HOW one CAN claim that moving an object backwards in time, splits it
                    > >into two, when theoretically time's arrow moves in two directions.
                    Re-done
                    > >as a wave it will be in two and Lord knows how many more places at a
                    time.
                    > >
                    > >One of the things I got agin math and all that is that axiomatically,
                    that
                    > >is per definiendum , anything goes. One reason why one cannot be sure
                    > >whether math is real or plain imaginary. Oh, it's probably consistent
                    > >allright. So's insanity, one reason why it's so tricky to REASON the
                    insane
                    > >out of it.
                    > >Adrian.
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > ----- Original Message -----
                    > > From: astheeagleflies
                    > > To: forcefieldpropulsionphysics@yahoogroups.com
                    > > Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 5:56 AM
                    > > Subject: [forcefieldpropulsionphysics] News & Views: Shattering
                    Beliefs
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > News & Views: Shattering Beliefs
                    > > http://www.fuel2000.net/newsviews.htm
                    > >
                    > > Science explains Time Travel is Possible - How False Interpretations
                    > > Lead to Abnormalities
                    > >
                    > > Why Time travel is not possible:
                    > >
                    > > One object can only occupy one position.
                    > >== AHH, but is it really "objects" that exist "out there?
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
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                    >
                    >
                    >
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