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  • cyrano@aqua.ocn.ne.jp
    Monomorphie du psychisme male et polymorphie du psychisme feminin: la gravite en tant que filtrage frequentiel ... Ross model). I haven t heard anything about
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      Monomorphie du psychisme male et polymorphie du psychisme
      feminin: la gravite en tant que filtrage frequentiel

      Daniel et Ross ont ecrit ce qui suit:

      >Dear Ross and Claude,
      >
      >Claude mentioned something about gravity seen as filtering (within
      Ross' model). I haven't heard anything about this,

      [Claude]

      Tessien a toujours dit que la gravite etait due a ce phenomene!

      [Daniel]

      so what I will be saying here may be off the wall.
      The only way I see right now one can emulate the curved spacetime by
      employing waves is to emulate the behaviour of the electromagnetic
      waves in a gravitational field:

      [Tessien]

      You use the term, "field" as do all physicists today. This term is
      meaningless. What is a field? What shape is it? What causes it,
      fundamentally? The answers you might dream up or put forward out of
      familiarity, if you really think about them, are just words without form
      or structure at the Planck scale.

      [Claude]

      Je suis d'accord.Ceux qui se sont trop specialises en mathematiques
      sont persuades que la realite doit se reduire a des
      mathematiques,meme si cela contredit tous les NIVEAUX
      D'ORGANISATION pour lesquels les mathematiques n'ont aucun sens
      **reel** mais ne sont qu'un outil technique pour transformer ce reel en
      techniques appliquees.

      L'invention,par exemple,de "dimensions" supplementaires aux 4 me
      parait une elucubration delirante,tout comme le voyage physique dans
      le temps.

      Idem pour la vision invraisemblable actuelle des "particules" et des
      "probabilites" en physique mathemathique.

      Je ne comprends pas comment les mathematiciens sont si bouches
      qu'ils ne peuvent pas se rendre compte qu'un monde reel,fait d'Espace
      et d'ondes dans cet Espace,est raisonnable CAR il s'accorde et
      S'EMBOITE,parfaitement,avec tous les NIVEAUX D'ORGANISATION
      superieurs du Reel.

      C'est l'usage excessif des mathematiques qui a mis la physique dans
      un cul de sac intellectuel en creant des elephants roses
      mathematiques.

      C'est,AUSSI,une consequence inconsciente du PSYCHISME DE
      L'HOMME male qui prefere les assertions monomorphes
      mathematiques aux assertions polymorphes des formes.

      Si la physique avait ete elaboree,exclusivement,par des FEMMES elle
      serait,je pense,bien differente....

      Quand,par exemple,Daniel et Caroline en viennent a se battre en eux
      c'est en raison du differentiel de leur psychisme qui leur fait aborder
      les problemes de facon differente et inconciliables.

      Tessien a plus un psychisme de femme qu'un psychisme
      d'homme,d'ou,d'ailleurs,sa creativite en physique.

      [Tessien]

      Now, you begin below to go into how wave geometry might be altered,
      and that is excellent and what must be done to understand this stuff.
      You can discard the notion, "field" and speak in terms of wavelengths
      and frequencies and geometries and how the nodes and anti nodes are
      varied in space and in time.

      [Claude]

      Voila quelque chose de rationnel et qui SATISFAIT a la regle des
      emboitements des Niveaux d'Organisation et a celle des formes.

      [Tessien]

      To begin understanding gravity, start with just two particles in the
      universe, plus, spacetime where spacetime is a structure of standing
      waves permeating the entire universe and the structure of waves to
      which the "particles" are under damped resonances.

      [Claude]

      Voila qui est toujours parfaitement logique

      [Tessien]

      If the two particles (remember the name particle is used, but what is
      always meant is "standing wave" or "spherical resonance", and not a
      particle in the sense of a rock or dust grain that just sits there doing
      nothing.)

      If the two particles are alone in the universe, they will interact via
      their waves which pass through each other. If the waves interfere at
      180 phase, they will move toward one another or, "attract". If the
      waves interfere at 90 or 270 phase, they will be neutral to each other
      and won't accelerate relative to one another. If their terference
      because they are at different frequencies. That energy is like noise,
      literally.

      [Tessien]

      Toujours tres logique car integre avec les niveaux d'organisations
      superieurs.C'est une explication parfaitement coherente de la notion
      de "charge" et de celle de "gravite".

      [Tessien]

      If you sit two people on a chair on a frictionless ice rink, stationary,
      and then you turn on a bunch of loud speakers around the rink, they
      will be pushed toward one another because their bodies will filter out
      some of that noise and it will be quieter in between them.

      [Claude]

      L'emploi de metaphores est une caracteristique des gens createurs car
      ces metaphores expriment des homologies de formes entre
      phenomenes.
      C'est dans ce sens restrictif qu'il faut voir le terme de "poussee".Il
      existe une "poussee" parce qu'il existe un filtrage frequentiel.
      Les masses sont des filtres frequentiels,cela me parait indubitable.

      [Tessien]

      The same thing happens and we call it gravity. The wave energy that
      drives gravity comes from the rest of the universe.

      [Claude]

      On ne peut etre plus morpho-logique.La pensee de Tessien est
      **ordonnee**,par formes,contrairement a la pensee des
      "numerologues mathematiques" qui font du bricolage incoherent avec
      une pense desordonee morpho-logiquement. Un exemple est celui du
      procede de la renormalisation ou l'on utilise des infinis pour aboutir a
      un resultat qui colle avec la realite.C'est grotesque.
      Un autre c'est le remplacement du reel par des "probabilites"! Les
      probabilites sont un artifice mathematique mais non pas des realites
      concretes.

      Il faut se mefier absolument des abstractions qui n'ont aucune
      correspondance avec des **geometries**.

      [Tessien]

      The funny thing is, the power is about the same no matter how far
      away the noise is coming from because while the intensity is falling off
      by 1/R^2, the number of galaxies is rising by R^2, and the two
      multiplied together is just 1.

      So, galaxies billions of light years away play as important a role in
      gravity as do galaxies a few million light years away. Spacetime is the
      local time keeper of wave energy, and it has as it's frequency, the
      Planck scale frequency where the majority of the power is, nearby.

      However, this is just showing how to think of the aspects of gravity that
      you already know about.

      if you really want to learn about what is wrong with GR, then you must
      study how gravity also has an effect that repulses objects away from
      one another due to exothermy and the formation of new spacetime.
      This happens in stars due to fusion and mass to space conversion.
      This is what is wrong
      with GR and QM, ...........ie, they fail to acknowledge this aspect of how
      the universe really works.

      [Claude]

      Morpho-logique

      R.T



      [Daniel]

      >The wavelengths of the wave increases as the wave proceeds against
      the field.If one considere the distance between two successive crests
      of the wave as the length etalon, is it also easy to visualise why space
      is bend around a massive body: make a circle around the body and use
      a wave to measure its length. Since the wave is in a constant field, its
      wavelength will stay fixed (OK, you can't do this with light, because it
      flies to fast, but you can use mirrors or a slower wave). Lets say that
      the wave crests count is NP.
      >
      >Now, you measure the radius of the circle. Because of the gravity, you
      >will get a count NR which is MORE than NP/2Pi (which will be the
      answer in flat space).
      >
      >That's the space curvature (remember: we can measure the space
      only with material objects!).

      [Claude]

      Pourquoi ce terme de "courbure" et pas un autre?

      [Daniel]

      >Now, let's assume that the spacetime is flat and some filtering of the
      >waves occurs around massive bodies for some reasons.

      [Claude]

      N'est-ce pas mieux de dire que l'Espace est isotrope ou anisotrope?

      [Daniel]

      This means that from a wave-packet containing high frequencies
      waves some of the high frequency waves are absorbed. What is left are
      the low frequancy ones. So, this process is equivalent with observing
      an increase in the wavelength of a wave as it moves against the field.

      Which means it is a possible way to emulate gravity,

      [Claude]

      De quelle facon,par exemple? Vous avez la possibilite d'inventer
      l'antigravitation!!!

      [Daniel]

      because in the end, taking into acound how we measure distances and
      times - by using waves, this is equivalent of having bent spacetime
      around a massive body.

      [Claude]

      Donc que proposez-vous du point de vue technique?

      [Daniel]

      Einstein's GRT tells us how much matter bends spacetime and how
      matter moves through spacetime, but does not give an answer to
      **why** matter bends spacetime. A filtering of the waves appears, at
      least at a quick glance, to provide such a mechanism (however, it has
      to have the right features as to generate the same equations as GRT).


      [Claude]

      Aaaah! On commence,enfin,a etre un peu d'accord!!!

      Continuons cette passionnante discussion car je suis quasi sur que
      Tessien a vraiment trouve comment creer "l'antigravite"...

      Tessien est un polylomorphologicien,vous etes un logicien.La
      combinaison de Tessien + Lapadatu pourrait donner de la dynamite
      creative!!

      N'est-ce pas intellectuellement interessant?
      C’est comme en escrime, "l’adversaire avance, vous le laissez avancer et
      c’est lui qui s’embroche"

      Dumas

      Si tu te fais ver de terre, ne te surprend pas si on t'écrase avec le pied !

      Kant
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