- Dear Ross and Colleagues,
What is your opinion on this russian experience from Sergei Godin described
From:Berkant Goeksel <bgoeksel@...-Berlin.DE>
Here are some translated lines from the Godin experiment.
There has been a great interest in examining nonlinear effects in the
system of rotating magnetic fields. Such effects have been observed in the
device called Searl's generator or SEG (SEG, Searl Effect Generator)
[1-4]. An SEG consists of a series of three rings and rollers that go
around those rings. All parts of SEG are based on the Law of the Squares.
The rollers revolve around the plates that form the rings, but they do not
touch them. There's a primary north and south pole on the rollers and a
primary north and south pole on the plates. Obviously you will have the
north pole of the roller attracted to the south pole of the plate.
The plate and the rollers have layered structure. The external layer -
Titan, then Iron, Nylon and last internal layer was made from Neodymium.
John R.R. Searl has supposed that the electrons are given off from the
central element (which is neodymium), and they travel out through other
ele-ments. If nylon had not been put there, the SEG would act like a laser
and one pulse would go out and it would stop, build up, and another pulse
would go out. But, with the nylon being, nylon acts as a control gate, and
that control gate gives you an even flow of electrons throughout the SEG
In  it was shown that in the process of magnetization of the plate and
rollers, the combination of constant and variable magnetic fields for
creating a special wave (sine wave) pattern on a plate surface and rollers
surface was used. The basic effects are the rollers selfrunning around a
ring plate and reduction of weight up to occurrence of propulsion and
flying up of all magnetic system. These effects come about because of a
special geometry of experimental setup. It was shown that the work of the
device in critical regime is accompanied by biological and real physical
Unfortunately except for the listed references we could not find other
information where similar effects are be mentioned.
In this paper we present the experimental device the results we have
2. The description of the experimental installation
The basic difficulty is in a choosing the materials and maintaining the
necessary pattern im-printing on the plate and rollers surfaces. To
simplify the technology we decided to use a one-ring design with one-ring
plate (stator) and one-ring of rollers (rotor). It is obvious, that it was
necessary to strengthen the rollers on a rotor by the bearings and balance
the rollers well. In the suggested de-sign the air bearings were used
which provided the minimum losses due to friction.
>From the available description [1-4] it was not clear how it is possibleto make and magnetize the stator with a diameter of about one meter. In
order to make the stator from separate magnetized segments executed on the
basis of rare earth magnets with the residual induction 1T; the segments
were magnetized in a usual way by discharging capacitor battery through
the coil. Afterwards the segments were assembled and glued together in a
special iron armature, which reduced magnetic energy. To manufacture the
stator 110 KGs of rare earth magnets were used, and to manufacture the
rotor 115 KGs of that material was used. High-frequency field under
magnetization was not ap-plied. It was decided to replace an imprinting
technology described in [1-4] with cross-magnetic in-serts having a flux
vector directed at 90 degrees to a vector of basic magnetization of a
stator and rollers of a rotor. For these cross inserts the modified rare
earth magnets with a residual magnetiza-tion of 1,2 T and coercive force a
little bit greater than in a base material was used. In Fig.1 and Fig.2
the joint arrangement of stator 1, elements of a rotor - rollers 2 and a
way of their mutual gearing by means of cross magnetic inserts 19, are
shown. Between the stator and roller surfaces the air gap d of 1-mm is
No layered structure was used except a continuous copper foil of 0.8 mm
thickness which wrapped up the stator and rollers. This foil has the
direct electrical contact to magnets of a stator and rollers. Distance
between inserts in the rollers is equal to distance between inserts on the
Fig.1. Variant of one-ring converter.
The ratio of parameters of the stator 1 and the rotor 2 in Fig.2
is chosen so that the relation of stator diameter - D and roller diameter
- d is an integer equal to or greater then 12. Choosing such ratio allow
us to achieve a magnetic spin wave resonant mode between elements of a
working body of the device is achieved.
Fig.2. A way of organization of magnetic
gearing stator and rollers.
The elements of magnetic system were assembled in a uniform design on the
aluminium plat-form. In Fig.3 the general view of the platform with
one-ring converter is displayed. This platform was supplied with springs,
amortizators and had a possibility of moving vertical on three supports.
The value of displacement was measured by the induction meter of
displacement 14; thus the change of the platform weight at once has been
defined during the experiment in real time. Gross weight of the platform
with magnetic system in the initial condition was 350 KGs.
Fig.3. The general view of the platform with one-ring converter.
The stator 1 was mounted motionlessly, and the rollers 2 were assembled
on a mobile common separator 3, connected with the basic shaft 4 of the
device. Through this shaft the rotary moment was transferred. The basic
shaft by the means of friction muff 5 was connected to the
electrody-namics generator 7 and starting engine 6, which accelerated the
converter up to a mode of self-sustained rotation. Along a rotor the
electromagnetic inductors 8 with open cores 9 were located. The magnetic
rollers 2 crossed the open cores of inductors and closed the magnetic flux
through electromagnetic inductors 8, and induced emf in them, which acted
directly on an active load 10 (a set of incandescent lamps with total
power 1 kW). The electromagnetic inductors 8 were equipped with an
electrical drive 11 and had an opportunity to smoothly move on supports
To study the influence of the external high voltage on the characteristics
of the converter the system of radial electrical polarization was mounted.
On periphery of the rotor ring electrodes 13 were set between the
electromagnetic inductors 8 having with the rollers 2 air gap of 10 mm.
The electrodes are connected to a high-voltage source; the positive
potential was connected to the stator, and the negative to the
polarization electrodes. The voltage was adjusted in a range of 0-20 kV.
In experiments the constant value of 20 kV was used.
In case of emergency braking, friction disk from the ordinary car braking
system was mounted on a basic shaft of the rotor. The electrodynamics
generator 7 was connected to active load through a set of switches
ensuring step connection of the load from 1 kW to 10 kW.
The converter under going testing had in its inner structure the oil
friction generator of thermal energy 15, intended for taping a superfluous
power (more than 10 kW) into the thermo-exchange contour. But since the
real output power of the converter in experiment has not exceeded 7 kW,
the oil friction thermal generator was not used. The complete
stabilization of revolutions of the rotor was carried out by
electromagnetic inductors connected to an additional load, which was set
of in-candescent lamps with total power 1 kW.
3. Experimental results
The magnetic-gravity converter was built in a laboratory room on three
concrete supports at a ground level. The ceiling height the lab room was 3
meters. Besides the presence of the iron-concrete ceiling, in immediate
proximity from the magnetic system there was a generator and elec-tric
motor, which contained some tens KGs of iron and could potentially deform
the field's pattern.
The device was started by the electric motor, which accelerated the
rotation of the rotor. The revolutions were smoothly increased up to the
moment the ammeter included in a circuit of the electric motor started to
show zero or lower value of a consumed current or even a presence of the
back current. The presence of the back current is detected at approx. 550
rpm. The magnetic mov-ing sensor 14 starts to detect the change in weight
of the whole installation at 200 rpm. Afterwards the electric motor is
completely disconnected by the electromagnetic muff and the ordinary
electro-dynamics generator is connected to the basic shaft of the device
through the same muff. The rotor of the converter continues to
self-accelerate and with the approach to the critical mode of 550 rpm, the
weight of the device quickly changes.
In addition to the change speed of rotation the weight depend of the
power, removed into active load, (the set of ten ordinary electrical water
heaters of 1 kW was used) and of the applied polariz-ing voltage, as well.
At the maximum output power equal to 6-7 kW the change of weight DG of the
whole platform (total weight is about 350 KGs), reaches 35 % of the weight
in an initial condition G?. A load of more than 7 kW results in a gradual
decrease of revolutions and exit from the mode of self-generation with the
subsequent complete stop of the rotor.
The weight of a platform can be controlled by applying of a high voltage
to cellular ring elec-trodes located at a distance of 10 mm from external
surfaces of the rollers. Under the high 20 kV voltage (electrodes negative
pole) the increase of taped power in circuit of the basic generator more
than 6 kW does not influence DG while the revolutions per min is not
decreased to 400 rpm. "Tightening" of this effect is observed as well as
the effect of hysteresis on DG (a kind of "residual induction"). The
experimental diagrams given on Fig.4 illustrate the modes of the converter
Fig. 4. Modes of operations of the magnet-gravity converter.
The effect of a local change of the platform weight is convertible
relative to the direction of rotor turning, and has the same hysteresis.
At clockwise rotation the critical mode comes in the area of 550 rpm and
the propulsion force against the direction of gravitation vector is
created, by anal-ogy, at counter-clockwise rotation the critical mode
comes the in area of 600 rpm and the propul-sion on the direction of
gravitation vector is created. The difference in approach to a critical
mode of 50 - 60 rpm was observed. It is necessary to mention that the most
interesting region lies above the critical area of 550 rpm, but due to of
a number of circumstances the implementation of such re-search was not
Other interesting effects include the work of the converter in the dark
room when corona dis-charges are observed around the converter's rotor as
a blue-pink glowing luminescence and a char-acteristic ozone smell. The
cloud of ionization covers the area of a stator and a rotor and has
ac-cordingly toroidal form. On the background of luminescence glowing on
rollers' surfaces we distin-guished wave picture. A number of more
vigorous strips of discharges around the rollers were ob-served. These
discharges were of the white - yellow colour is, but the characteristic
for the arc dis-charges sound was not audible.
One more effect previously not mentioned was observed i.e. the vertical
magnetic "walls" around the installation. We noticed and measured the
abnormal permanent magnetic field around the converter in the radius of 15
meters. The zones of an increased intensity of a magnetic flux 0,05T
located concentrically from the centre of the installation were detected.
The direction of magnetic field vector in these walls coincided with the
direction of rollers' field vector. The struc-ture of these zones reminded
circles on water from the thrown stone. Between these zones a port-able
magnetometer, which used the Hall's sensor as a sensitive element, did not
register abnormal magnetic fields. The layers of an increased intensity
are distributed practically without losses up to a distance of about 15
meters from the centre of the converter and quickly decrease at the border
of this zone. The thickness of each layer is about 5 - 8 cm. The border of
each layer has sharp shape, the distance between layers is about 50 - 60
cm and it slightly accrues when moving from the centre of the converter.
The steady picture of this field was observed as well at a height of 6 m
above the installation (on the second floor above the lab.). Above the
second floor the measurements were not carried out.
The abnormal fall of the temperature in direct affinity from the converter
was also found. While the common temperature background in laboratory was
+ 22°? (±2°?) the fall of temperature equal to 6-8°? was noticed. The
same phenomenon was observed in vertical magnetic walls as well as. The
measurements of temperature inside the magnetic walls were carried out by
the ordinary alco-hol thermometer with inertia of indication about 1,5
min. In the magnetic walls the temperature changes can be distinctly
observed even by hand. The hand when placed into this magnetic wall feels
real cold at once. The similar picture was observed at the height above
installation, i.e. on the second floor of the laboratory as well as
despite the ferro-concrete blocking of ceiling.
All the results we obtained are extremely unusual and require some
theoretical explanation. Un-fortunately the interpretation of results
within the framework of the conventional physical theory cannot explain
all the observed phenomena and first of all the change of weight. The
change of weight is possible to interpret as a local change of gravity
force or as an occurrence of propulsion force by repelling from its own
field. Direct experiment, confirming a presence of draft force was not
performed, but in any case both interpretations of the weight change do
not correspond to the modern physical paradigm and demand reconsideration
of the standard theory of gravitation or criticism of the second law of
Newton, both of which are only possible if we take into consideration the
now-advert physical media ether as understood by Faraday-Maxwell-Mie.
>From the modern physics position electrization and luminescence of theconverter's magnetic system in the near zone is not completely clear. The
phenomenon of the magnetic and thermal "walls" may be connected with
Alphen's magnetic-sound waves raised in near zone in magnetized plasma
induced by a variable magnetic field of a rotating rotor .
At present time we can not give an exact description of the interactions
mechanism with envi-ronment and transformation of energy, but it is
completely obvious, that without the use of the con-cept of physical media
- the ether in a sense of Faraday-Maxwell-Mie we are completely unable to
give physically substantial theory of these phenomena.
In conclusion, we emphasize that the issues of the biological influence
effects and especially of the variations of real time stream effects,
which must be taking place in an operative zone of the converter, were not
considered at all. These issues are extremely important and absolutely
unex-plored; though there are some mentions of J.R.R.Searl about healing
action of the SEG's radiation. Our own experience allows to make only
cautious assumption that the short-term stay (dozen min-utes) in a working
zone of the converter with the fixed output power of 6 kW remains for the
people without observed consequences. The present paper is only a
1. Von Herbert Schneider, Dr. J.B. Koeppl, Hans - Joachim Ehlers.
Begegnung mit John R.R.
Searl. Raum und Ziet, #39, 1989, pp. 75-80.
2. Von S. Gunnar Sandberg. Was ist dran am Searl-effect. Raum und Ziet,
#40, 1989, pp. 67-75.
3. Von Herbert Schneider. Harry Watt. Dem Searl-effect auf der spur. Raum
und Ziet, # 42, 1989,
pp.75-81; #43, pp.73-77.
4. John A. Thomas Jr. ANTI-GRAVITY: The Dream Made Reality. Extraordinary
vol.VI, Issue2, 1994.
5. L.D.Landau, E.M.Lifshits. Electrodynamics of continuous media.-
1982. (in Russian).
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Sergei wrote in response.
>> PS: BTW, what are bi-waves?BTW; I also received a translated version through a member of Boeing on
>I name by this term a pair of spin waves with PI phase shift,
>which exist in a body of stator.
>One half pushes a N pole of roller, another - a S pole.
the Advanced EM list of the DoE. They encouraged me to replicate the
Searl effect. So why not putting the preprints on-line now, Sergei.
You might be interested that rare earth metals have a high neutrino
charge according to a paper of Prof. Fischbach:
"Higher-order weak interactions and the equivalence principle"
The highest is in Uran. Maybe this is the reason why the rotating Searl
apparatus based on Neodymium could couple to the natural neutrino flow
(which in great part could be superluminal or tachionic), so that the
machine acted as a kind of vacuum propeller by an anomalous coupling of
gravity to neutrinos.
"Thus, the electromagnetic field and the space-time metric (neutrino
network) have an independent or inherent existence, but the excited states
(magnetic monopole) and phase changes of the neutrino have a dependent
existence derived from fluctuations in the electromagnetic field
The magnetic walls are probably some neutrino standing waves or shock
waves (solitons). Maybe they are fractional charged free quarks made from
standing neutrinos (see the theory of Alex Kaivarainen at
Alex writes that at certain conditions the free neutrino turns to the
standing one, leading to fusion of regular elementary particles. This
could also explain the radial electron field and high voltage generation
in the Searl effect generator.
Alex also writes that each of excessive standing neutrino and antineutrino
has an electric charge equal to +1/3 and -1/3 correspondingly.
Godin himself writes that the orientation of the rotation changes the
vector of the force. One time it is in line with the gravity vector, the
other time of rotation it is opposite.
Prof. Winterberg once speculated that quarks could be negative mass
PS: I will ask Prof. Roger A. Cowley at Oxford University what he thinks:
His research area fits well:
1 The determination of phonon dispersion curves and interatomic forces in
metals, semiconductors and ionic crystals. This led to studies of the
anharmonic effects on the scattering, thermal expansion, thermal
conductivity and optical properties.
2 Structural phase transitions may be associated with an unstable mode of
vibration. These have been studied in ferroelectrics, perovskites, and
incommensurate materials. The critical phenomena have been studied
together with the so-called central peak and two length scale problems.
3 The excitations in liquid helium 4 and liquid helium 3 have been studied
4 The magnetic spin wave excitations and their interactions have been
determined in a variety of materials. This has led particularly to the
understanding of the effects of crystal fields.
5 Magnetic systems are ideal for testing the statistical mechanics of
simple systems. Studies have been made of the two-dimensional Ising Model,
the three-dimensional Ising and Heisenberg models, random bond systems,
percolation and random field systems.
6 The anomalous effects of quantum fluctuations on low dimensional systems
are being studied for magnetic chains.
7 The magnetic structures of superlattices and alloys containing rare
earth metals have been determined and the magnetic interactions
8 X-ray scattering techniques have been developed to study thin films,
surfaces and interfaces and theses techniques have been applied to surface
truncation rods, the determination of interface roughness and the
structure of superlattices.
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> Dear Ross and Colleagues,described
> What is your opinion on this russian experience from Sergei Godin
> below?Here is my opinion at the risk of repeating my self.
I think the remark in the discussion should be taken seriously:
"All the results we obtained are extremely unusual and require some
theoretical explanation. Un-fortunately the interpretation of results
within the framework of the conventional physical theory cannot
explain all the observed phenomena and first of all the change of
If we go to the work that Searl originally did we find that his
antigravity effect was discovered by accident. Here is quote from
"By 1952, the first generator had been constructed and was about
three feet in diameter. It was tested in the open by Searl and a
friend. The armature was set in motion by a small engine. The device
produced the expected electrical power, but at an unexpectedly high
potential. At relatively low armature speeds a potential of the order
of 10.5 volts was produced, as indicated by static effects on nearby
The really unexpected then occurred. While still speeding up, the
generator lifted and rose to a height of about 50 feet above the
ground, breaking the union between itself and the engine. Here it
stayed for a while, still speeding up and surrounding itself with a
pink glow. This indicated ionisation of air at a much higher pressure
of about 10.3 mm Hg. More interesting was the side-effect, causing
local radio receivers to go on by themselves. Finally, the whole
generator accelerated at a fantastic rate and is thought to have gone
off into space."
The traditional mass-based gravity theories of Newton and Einstein:
theory are in trouble: (1) We have to now believe that 65 % of the
mass of the universe resides in the vacuum!
and (2)Very sensitive detectors and large well-financed study has
failed to find statistical evidence for the dark matter.
The Searl device gets cold before losing weight and the theory that
de Aquino uses to get his 63 % loss of weight links gravitaitional
Thus I feel that the signs are now beginning to come in which suggest
an entirely new gravity theory in needed to understand
the "accidental" Searl antigravity effect.
I have such a theory. I do not base my theory on mass. I base it on
the heat that flows through a sphere that contains the sphere's mass.
As you may well know I have observed a ~3 % decrease in weight with a
hollow aluminimm hemisphere which was subject to 3000 wats of
My theory would also work if a heat sink rather that a heat source
were at the center of a sphere or hemisphere. In this case, the
gravitational force would be directed radially away from the center.
However, as with the case where the force that is directed towards
the center, it would be strongest at the surface of the sphere or