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9766Re: [folkspraak] Re: My FS

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  • eugeniusz.slowik
    Nov 1, 2006
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      Hi Cham ond Stephan,
      in the upper German dialects they just use i: i? i net. Ik bin keen
      Berliner doch ik mag ik.
      Eugeniusx

      stefichjo schrieb:
      >
      > Hi Cham,
      >
      > "ig" was my first approach for "I", too, for same reasons that you
      > pointed out.
      >
      > But...
      > In Berlin we say "ick", too. :-)
      >
      > And in German and English for instance many post-vocalic "k" became
      > "ch" or "j" like in EN "-ly", DE "-lich". And PG *sk often turns to EN
      > "sh" and DE "sch".
      >
      > So this could also be FS:
      > "naturlich sprech ich schon folksprach"
      >
      > But this would go far too deep into the German pronunciation, so I
      > left it like this (which looks much more neuter to me):
      > "naturlik sprek ik skon folksprak"
      >
      > Something intermediate would seem too confusion too me.
      >
      > Bye,
      > Stephan
      >
      > --- In folkspraak@yahoogroups.com
      > <mailto:folkspraak%40yahoogroups.com>, "chamavian" <roerd096@...> wrote:
      > >
      > > Sorry, I couldn't open the link, only get commercial stuff. Maybe you
      > > can just put it in our Files section?
      > >
      > > By the way, "ig" is much more representative for the major living
      > > Germanic languages than "ik" (or "ick", "ikk"). The first pronoun
      > > singular ending in final -k only exists in Dutch "ik".
      > > English I has no ending (or maybe a "j"?), German the soft ch [C] and
      > > Scandinavian a, mostly silent, -g Da "jeg", Sw "jag",
      > > NorwBM "jei"(NewNorw "eg").
      > >
      > > So if we'd take an average final sound, it would be defenitely not -k,
      > > but rather -g:
      > >
      > > English -
      > > German ch
      > > Dutch k
      > > Scandi g
      > >
      > > If we'd take more languages and count them all, the picture won't
      > > change:
      > >
      > > English - (j?)
      > > German ch
      > > Dutch(+Afr) k
      > > Danish g
      > > LowSaxon k
      > > Icelandic g
      > > Norwegian - (j?)
      > > Swedish g
      > > Frisian k
      > > Swytzer -
      > > Yiddish sh
      > > etc.
      > >
      > > here we find 3 final k's and 3 final g's, 3 silent and 2 other,
      > > although most final g's are pronounced as if silent.
      > > The average sound of this can never be the hard k.
      > > But as most people here don't want to take too many source languages
      > > into account: even if one would only take English I and Dutch ik, the
      > > intermediate should be with final g. That's phonoLogics.
      > >
      > > For that alone, to me the FS pronoun first pers sing can only be "ig".
      > >
      > > Something else is that in Danish and Norwegian "ikke" means "not",
      > > which would make it confusing for Scandies if FS "ik" meant "I".
      > > "Ig" is immediately recognizable for everyone.
      > >
      > > Cham
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > --- In folkspraak@yahoogroups.com
      > <mailto:folkspraak%40yahoogroups.com>, "Roly Sookias/Roley Sukius"
      > > <xipirho@> wrote:
      > > >
      > > > Ik witt nit ov ik hav dis forhir segd, aver ik hav en bittken info
      > > up-
      > > > an hu ik tenk FS schuld wese hir http://www.members.lycos.co.uk/
      > <http://www.members.lycos.co.uk/>
      > > > rsookias/myfolksprak.html . Et giv en oder two tings nu dé ik tenk
      > > ar
      > > > fremd - ik tenk "ik" iss magwes better als "ig", end "bai-said" ik
      > > > tenk schuld "besaid" oder "bai" wese for "bai-said" iss swer tu
      > > sege.
      > > > Ok ik brauk de schraibungs "sch" end "ch" nu ...aver "sh" and "h" ar
      > > > OK sikker.
      > > >
      > >
      >
      >
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