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249Re: [findingfaith] On finding like minded Xtians: to Stephen Shields

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  • Caroline Wong
    Feb 9, 2002
      Dear Katy;

      I know a great guy who is starting a very interesting ministry called Church
      Without Walls in Tulsa, OK. His name is John Fenn and his email is
      jfennministries@.... His website is still under construction. If you're
      not too gun shy about planting churches again, you should talk to him. Heck,
      even if you're not planting churches, you should talk to him. He's trying to
      start a whole bunch of cell churches in Tulsa and beyond that are quite

      Grace & Peace,

      ----- Original Message -----
      From: <skatyh@...>
      To: <findingfaith@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2002 10:05 PM
      Subject: Re: [findingfaith] On finding like minded Xtians: to Stephen

      > In a message dated 2/9/02 1:35:39 PM Central Standard Time,
      > writes:
      > >
      > > Jim -- I just wanted to say that I receive quite a few emails like yours
      > >
      > > response to ANKOC ... so, the irony is that there are a lot of people
      > > feeling
      > > like they're "the only one." Proportionately, the number might still be
      > > rather insignificant, but I think it's growing, and I think that if our
      > > patience (as you said) is sufficient, we'll see some encouraging signs.
      > > (Of
      > > course, I'm generally an optimist because the alternative is so boring.)
      > >
      > > Speaking of optimism ... you're probably right that Neo's ideas about
      > > churches transitioning are overly optimistic. But one has to start
      > > somewhere, and hope is a better starting point, I think, than non-hope
      > > (especially when God is factored in!). We'll see what happens!
      > >
      > > Also ... the emergent website is another place where Christian leaders
      > > grappling with this stuff. www.emergentvillage.org.
      > > -- Brian
      > I think we are going to have to see the people of God become hungry for a
      > fresh move of God and a dissatisfaction with the "way things are." The
      > is going to have to come out of it's slumber and wake up to the fact that
      > are not reaching the world or making an impact in the way we should. I
      > there is a small remnant begining to emerge but they come forth out of
      > and disallusionment.
      > My husband and I planted a church four years ago with the vision of
      > vertical and horizontal relationship, of team ministry, of nameless and
      > faceless people left wounded by the church along the way being restored,
      > true worship and not performance...about living outside the box, about
      > things from God's vantage point not our own (very Neo-ish) We lasted three
      > years but could never get the people to see beyond themselves, their
      > worlds, what they wanted God to do for them and "their ministries." I feel
      > certain there are believers looking for a leader with a post-modern vision
      > follow but they haven't found each other.
      > I don't know if it is easier to take an existing congregation into a
      > postmodern model or to start one. I know in Tulsa, OK we tried starting
      > but it died...ahead of it's appointed time here. We will try again as the
      > Spirit leds.
      > Until then let us encourage one another that he has given the vision to
      > who will follow it through in the right timing.
      > Blessings,
      > Katy
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