243Re: [findingfaith] On finding like minded Xtians: to Stephen Shields
- Feb 9, 2002Welcome to the club Jim :-) As Stephen said, faithmaps is a place where
postmodernity is discussed and debated. Then there are a whole host of
"postmodern churches" (just do an engine church to see what emerges :-)
All I can say is I am tracking with you (and those you have read). Where
this merry go round ends, nobody knows (except for God :-)
Grace and Peace - Chris Criminger
On Sat, 09 Feb 2002 17:52:01 -0000 "jbarnhilliii"
> I recently read some of your earlier messages to Matt Knox, from
> 2000, particularly message 29.
> I think I have a very similar background to you. I did a BA in
> psychology in 1990, influenced then by Larry Crabb, and
> evangelicalism. I went to Fuller Seminary from 90-95, completing an
> MDiv in Pastoral Care and Counseling, the irony being that given my
> paradigm shifts from modernity to post-modern thinking, I wasn't
> how sensical it was for me to attempt pastoring when I wasn't sure
> myself how to deal with major issues: hell, good/evil,
> interpretation of scripture, trinity, relativism, and ethics. I
> ended up going into social work and now teach children with
> My problem: though wading through important books that have helped
> me out (here's a partial list that will help you know who has
> influenced me; Stanley Hauerwas, James McClendon (huge influence),
> Nancey Murphy, Rodney Clapp, Alysdair McIntyre, I CANT KEEP ALL OF
> THIS STUFF ON THE BRAIN! It is sufficiently difficult to incoporate
> this kind of thinking into one's daily practices given its
> complexity, but it is ESPECIALLY DIFFICULT GIVEN THE FACT THAT
> EVERY CHURCH I'VE BEEN TO IS STILL FIRMLY WITHIN THE GRIPS OF MODERN
> Hence, this major dilemma. Neo's conjecturing with Dan about how one
> might take a church into the postmodern era, forgive me, seems like
> pipe dream. Or is it? If we are truly living at the very beginning
> of a new postmodern era, then 99.9% of churches would seem to be
> still living with modern thinking. So it seems to me that apart
> a website like this, there are not very many places a spiritual
> schizophrenic like me can go for nurture. Going to a small group
> within an evangelical church feels like going to an intellectual
> torture session. All of the thinking I've tried to rework comes
> rushing back to the door and it hurts. I don't think I can
> adequately defend my own paradigm shift without being so frustrated.
> The upshot: it feels pretty lonely to be a postmodern Christian
> because it is hard to define to yourself and others exactly what you
> believe, and because there are so few places/churches to go that can
> I've gone through this for over 15 years. I'm a patient person.
> Reply whenever you get the chance.
> Jim Barnhill
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