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  • RussellHltn
    ... No. There is none. Not even rumors or speculation of having one. It s expected that the next verion of TempleReady will be internet-based. As stated,
    Message 1 of 18 , Nov 2, 2004
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      >>> Does anyone know if there is an update for the Ordinance Index for Temple Ready for Windows? <<<

      No. There is none. Not even rumors or speculation of having one. It's expected that the next verion of TempleReady will be internet-based.

      As stated, the disks are close to 5 years old. But at the same time, there the work has never progressed faster with 100+ temples in operation. Until a new TempleReady comes out, PAFInsight is the best way to prevent duplications.
    • annec12345@aol.com
      Okkkk...So how do we persuade patrons to check their Temple Ready names on line. One of our most active Patrons is a temple worker, is a fromer Stake
      Message 2 of 18 , Nov 2, 2004
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        Okkkk...So how do we persuade patrons to check their Temple Ready names on line.  One of our most active Patrons is a temple worker, is a fromer  Stake President, is currently Stake Patriarch, BUT "no one else is working on his line" so he cannot be convinced by the lowly FHC director that this needs to be done...His submitted names are checked ONLY on the CD's.    He and his wife are taking about 50 names a month through the Temple personally (they both work there).  A diplomatic solution?
        Thanks.
      • John Vilburn
        In another place we lived, we had a similar situation. We finally convinced this brother to check his names when a worker at the FHC pulled his wife aside and
        Message 3 of 18 , Nov 3, 2004
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          In another place we lived, we had a similar situation. We finally convinced this brother to check his names when a worker at the FHC pulled his wife aside and did a quick search on some of their names using PAF Insight. When all of the ordinances quickly came up as being done already, she was convinced. Then she convinced him. Funny thing was, about a month later this brother called us and asked what was wrong with PAF Insight. It wasn't finding ordinance work for a particular person. We had to inform him that he had finally found a name he could take to the temple.
           
          John Vilburn
          Ohana Software LLC
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          Subject: Re: [fhctech] Update for Temple Ready for Windows?

          Okkkk...So how do we persuade patrons to check their Temple Ready names on line.  One of our most active Patrons is a temple worker, is a fromer  Stake President, is currently Stake Patriarch, BUT "no one else is working on his line" so he cannot be convinced by the lowly FHC director that this needs to be done...His submitted names are checked ONLY on the CD's.    He and his wife are taking about 50 names a month through the Temple personally (they both work there).  A diplomatic solution?
          Thanks.


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        • RussellHltn
          If you haven t had PAFInsight in the FHC before, ask if you can run his names though a new toy . Once he finds a few he ll have to admit that there are
          Message 4 of 18 , Nov 3, 2004
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            If you haven't had PAFInsight in the FHC before, ask if you can run his names though a "new toy".  Once he finds a few he'll have to admit that there are others.  Since he's doing the names personally, he'll understand that it's worth a few minutes to save hours in the temple.
             
            As for the "no one else working on his line" ask him about name extraction.


            From: annec12345@... [mailto:annec12345@...]
            Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 5:32 PM
            To: fhctech@yahoogroups.com
            Subject: Re: [fhctech] Update for Temple Ready for Windows?

            Okkkk...So how do we persuade patrons to check their Temple Ready names on line.  One of our most active Patrons is a temple worker, is a fromer  Stake President, is currently Stake Patriarch, BUT "no one else is working on his line" so he cannot be convinced by the lowly FHC director that this needs to be done...His submitted names are checked ONLY on the CD's.    He and his wife are taking about 50 names a month through the Temple personally (they both work there).  A diplomatic solution?
            Thanks.


          • wa7jos
            ... his names though a new toy . Once he finds a few he ll have to admit that there are others. Since he s doing the names personally, he ll understand that
            Message 5 of 18 , Nov 3, 2004
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              RussellHltn wrote:
              > If you haven't had PAFInsight in the FHC before, ask if you can run
              his names though a "new toy". Once he finds a few he'll have to admit
              that there are others. Since he's doing the names personally, he'll
              understand that it's worth a few minutes to save hours in the temple.

              I was pleasantly surprised the first time I ran TR and found about
              half of my names were already done. I was one of those who "knew" no
              one else was working on my line (I am the only living relative going
              back 5 generations). I thought I was going to have to do 80 names
              alone - a daunting task - but found it was less than 40. With a
              little help from ward members on ward temple night, these were
              completed in a few months. I would recommend "selling" the IGI
              checkout on the benefits of reduced workload.

              Chuck Johnson
            • annec12345@aol.com
              Thanks so much...I ll do this, use PAF Insight. Also is there ANY official letter about checking names On-line? I have never received one. Posting this
              Message 6 of 18 , Nov 3, 2004
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                Thanks so much...I'll do this, use PAF Insight.    Also is there ANY official letter about checking names On-line?  I have never received one.  Posting this would certainly help also.
              • klbeardall
                ... ****************************** PafInsight is a great tool. I was using it in our local FHC (Virginia) and saw how up to date and current the data were
                Message 7 of 18 , Nov 5, 2004
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                  --- In fhctech@yahoogroups.com, "ddialogue" <ddialogue@i...> wrote:
                  >
                  > Does anyone know if there is an update for the Ordinance Index for
                  > Temple Ready for Windows?
                  >
                  > Thanks,
                  > Dave Dialogue
                  > Nampa, ID. FHC

                  ******************************

                  PafInsight is a great tool. I was using it in our local FHC
                  (Virginia) and saw how up to date and current the data were that it
                  was finding in the Family Search Ordinance Index. On 9 October 2004
                  I saw that my great grandfather was endowed only 48 hours previously
                  on 7 October 2004. The discouraging part was this was the eleventh
                  time that his ordinance work had been done including the first time
                  in life. I fear that people aren't using the available tools.
                  --jsbeardall--
                  Oakton Va FHC
                • Graham Buckell (Mail List)
                  The FHC in Nottingham, England has just been upgraded to include internet access. On querying whether we could install PAF Insight, I was told that Salt Lake
                  Message 8 of 18 , Nov 6, 2004
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                    The FHC in Nottingham, England has just been upgraded to include internet
                    access. On querying whether we could install PAF Insight, I was told that
                    Salt Lake is not happy with it because of the demands on the servers and
                    that an alternative program called FamilySearcher was preferred because it
                    was less demanding.

                    I have used PAF Insight personally but have no experience of FamilySearcher.

                    Any comments?

                    Regards

                    Graham Buckell
                    Nottingham, England
                  • Regine
                    FamilySearcher requires the use of a gedcom file. It does not search exclusively the IIGI. It can search a series of databases, inlcuding Ancestry, Ellis
                    Message 9 of 18 , Nov 6, 2004
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                      FamilySearcher requires the use of a gedcom file.
                      It does not search exclusively the IIGI.
                      It can search a series of databases, inlcuding Ancestry, Ellis Island and
                      others.
                      To update my PAF I choose PAF Insight because it is much simpler to explain
                      and to use.
                      Older people, and members in general seem to have a phobia when it comes to
                      FH, let alone having to explain about gedcom etc.
                      I find that we must first have a spark and the spark can't come with fear.
                      When members see how easy it is to use PAF Insight they are less scared and
                      more likely to update their records.
                      We need to make sure they upgrade their version to alleviate the problems
                      that have occurred due to the demands on the FS site, but it is by far
                      easier to use.
                      FamilySearcher offers a split screen onto FS site with the results. Each
                      entry can be opened separately.
                      There is a newer version of FamilySearcher but I have not downloaded it yet,
                      so there may have been more changes yet.
                      Trying it is the best way to decide for yourself.
                      FHC Support sent an email to all FHC directors about the use of PAF Insight.
                      They are not discouraging its use, only caution that it is taxing the FS
                      site and recommend the use of the updated version.
                      They do not mention any product by name.
                      Hope this helps a little,
                      Regine

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                    • Regine
                      One more thing... I do recommend the use of the FamilySearcher for research purpose however. members and non-members alike can use this program. There is a
                      Message 10 of 18 , Nov 6, 2004
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                        One more thing...
                        I do recommend the use of the FamilySearcher for research purpose however.
                        members and non-members alike can use this program.
                        There is a manual online that teaches how to use it.
                        If you or the person you are helping are used to PAF and its filters and
                        exporting options,
                        you should do well with it.
                        The 2 programs really offer different things.
                        The only thing they have in common, really, is that they can both search the
                        IIGI.
                        I have both on my computer and use both for different purposes.
                        I am grateful that there are people like the creators of these programs who
                        have provided them to us. The PAF Search options would have been tediously
                        long.
                        As much as we preach for the members to update their records, I know many
                        have been discouraged by the complexity of importing files or even
                        'copy-paste'.
                        My thoughts anyway... for what they're worth...
                        Take care,
                        Regine
                      • Dana Repouille
                        ... For that matter, PAF 5 also searches the IIGI. In fact, I wonder if PAF Searcher produces search results that are any better than those produced by using
                        Message 11 of 18 , Nov 6, 2004
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                          > The only thing they have in common, really, is that they can
                          > both search the
                          > IIGI.

                          For that matter, PAF 5 also searches the IIGI. In fact, I wonder if PAF
                          Searcher produces search results that are any better than those produced by
                          using PAF 5 Search... FamilySearch??? Has anyone compared the queries or the
                          results?

                          Note that with both Family Searcher and PAF 5, your IE FamilySearch session
                          must be logged in before you do the query.

                          Dana

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                        • Ronald Frye
                          In my opinion, PAF Insight is one of the most important programs Latter-day Saints (and Family History Centers) should have on their computers. It is powerful,
                          Message 12 of 18 , Nov 6, 2004
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                            In my opinion, PAF Insight is one of the most important programs Latter-day
                            Saints (and Family History Centers) should have on their computers. It is
                            powerful, easy to use, and saves tons of time in trying to find out if
                            temple work has already been done. Using it would greatly decrease the
                            number of ordinances being duplicated.

                            My experience with Mormons has shown that they are arrogant and lazy when it
                            comes to checking the IGI. Many simply refuse to do it, even when the tools
                            are available for making the job so much easier and faster than doing so
                            "manually".

                            You say the church is unhappy with users using PAF Insight? Good! Maybe
                            they'll get on the ball and order some super-computers to handle the load.
                            They can get quite a deal from national research labs, the weather service,
                            etc. when it comes to obtaining one of their used super-computers. They're
                            always wanting the latest and greatest, and donating one of their older
                            units would be beneficial to all parties. As it is now, the church is
                            ill-prepared for the Millenium when there will be thousands, if not
                            millions, wanting to search the online IGI. Come on, Salt Lake; this should
                            be a wake-up call for you.

                            Sincerely,

                            Ronald W. Frye
                            Danville FHC Computer Specialist

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                            From: "Graham Buckell (Mail List)" <gjbmailinglist@...>
                            To: <fhctech@yahoogroups.com>
                            Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 2:02 AM
                            Subject: RE: [fhctech] Update for Temple Ready for Windows?


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                            > The FHC in Nottingham, England has just been upgraded to include internet
                            > access. On querying whether we could install PAF Insight, I was told that
                            > Salt Lake is not happy with it because of the demands on the servers and
                            > that an alternative program called FamilySearcher was preferred because it
                            > was less demanding.
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                            > I have used PAF Insight personally but have no experience of
                            > FamilySearcher.
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                            > Any comments?
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                            > Regards
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                            > Graham Buckell
                            > Nottingham, England
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                          • Dana Repouille
                            ... Yes, they simply rely on TempleReady to catch all the duplicates for them. Practically none of our patrons are aware of how old the IGI on CDs is, and they
                            Message 13 of 18 , Nov 6, 2004
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                              > My experience with Mormons has shown that they are arrogant
                              > and lazy when it
                              > comes to checking the IGI. Many simply refuse to do it, even
                              > when the tools
                              > are available for making the job so much easier and faster
                              > than doing so "manually".

                              Yes, they simply rely on TempleReady to catch all the duplicates for them.
                              Practically none of our patrons are aware of how old the IGI on CDs is, and
                              they simply can't comprehend the implications of this fact.

                              > You say the church is unhappy with users using PAF Insight?
                              > Good! Maybe they'll get on the ball

                              > As it is now, the church is
                              > ill-prepared for the Millenium when there will be thousands, if not
                              > millions, wanting to search the online IGI.

                              I agree. They boast about having the largest collection of such data in the
                              world, and yet do not have the server power necessary to serve the demands
                              of the world. They really should have seen this coming, especially when they
                              have not yet provided a server-side searching tool for us to compare our
                              submissions to the IIGI.

                              It's not the fault of Ohana Software or any other company that the *only*
                              practical way to do this is to submit multiple queries to the web site,
                              transfer all possible hits to the client side, and then eliminate unlikely
                              matches. It's such a huge waste of bandwidth, and yet it is the only way we
                              have at this time.

                              Dana

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                            • Brian Gallew
                              On Sat, 6 Nov 2004 23:39:58 -0600, Dana Repouille ... I m sure the church would be happy to accept your donation of a nice big chunk of Akami (the largest
                              Message 14 of 18 , Nov 8, 2004
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                                On Sat, 6 Nov 2004 23:39:58 -0600, Dana Repouille
                                <drepouille@...> wrote:
                                > > You say the church is unhappy with users using PAF Insight?
                                > > Good! Maybe they'll get on the ball
                                >
                                > > As it is now, the church is
                                > > ill-prepared for the Millenium when there will be thousands, if not
                                > > millions, wanting to search the online IGI.
                                >
                                > I agree. They boast about having the largest collection of such data in the
                                > world, and yet do not have the server power necessary to serve the demands
                                > of the world. They really should have seen this coming, especially when they
                                > have not yet provided a server-side searching tool for us to compare our
                                > submissions to the IIGI.

                                I'm sure the church would be happy to accept your donation of a nice
                                big chunk of Akami (the largest Internet data provider out there).
                                Don't forget to get a couple friends to chip on the bandwidth charges.

                                It always blows my mind when people complain about services provided
                                essentially for free, especially when they have absolutely no concept
                                of the resources involved in providing it. Figuring out how to pay
                                AOL for a home DSL connection hardly qualifies you to say anything
                                intelligent about Internet services. Also, you should take some
                                lessons in an advanced topic called "logic". You wrote, "They boast
                                about having the largest collection of such data in the world, and yet
                                do not have the server power necessary to serve the demands of the
                                world." Did you notice that they didn't boast about having the
                                biggest network pipe and webserver cluster? Did you ever think that a
                                church might be a little more interested in the demands of God than in
                                the demands of the world?
                              • Evaline Robinson
                                Three rahs for you, Brian. ... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com
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                                  Three rahs for you, Brian.
                                  --- Brian Gallew <geekatcmu@...> wrote:

                                  > On Sat, 6 Nov 2004 23:39:58 -0600, Dana Repouille
                                  > <drepouille@...> wrote:
                                  > > > You say the church is unhappy with users using
                                  > PAF Insight?
                                  > > > Good! Maybe they'll get on the ball
                                  > >
                                  > > > As it is now, the church is
                                  > > > ill-prepared for the Millenium when there will
                                  > be thousands, if not
                                  > > > millions, wanting to search the online IGI.
                                  > >
                                  > > I agree. They boast about having the largest
                                  > collection of such data in the
                                  > > world, and yet do not have the server power
                                  > necessary to serve the demands
                                  > > of the world. They really should have seen this
                                  > coming, especially when they
                                  > > have not yet provided a server-side searching tool
                                  > for us to compare our
                                  > > submissions to the IIGI.
                                  >
                                  > I'm sure the church would be happy to accept your
                                  > donation of a nice
                                  > big chunk of Akami (the largest Internet data
                                  > provider out there).
                                  > Don't forget to get a couple friends to chip on the
                                  > bandwidth charges.
                                  >
                                  > It always blows my mind when people complain about
                                  > services provided
                                  > essentially for free, especially when they have
                                  > absolutely no concept
                                  > of the resources involved in providing it. Figuring
                                  > out how to pay
                                  > AOL for a home DSL connection hardly qualifies you
                                  > to say anything
                                  > intelligent about Internet services. Also, you
                                  > should take some
                                  > lessons in an advanced topic called "logic". You
                                  > wrote, "They boast
                                  > about having the largest collection of such data in
                                  > the world, and yet
                                  > do not have the server power necessary to serve the
                                  > demands of the
                                  > world." Did you notice that they didn't boast about
                                  > having the
                                  > biggest network pipe and webserver cluster? Did you
                                  > ever think that a
                                  > church might be a little more interested in the
                                  > demands of God than in
                                  > the demands of the world?
                                  >




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