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  • mweaver
    Our local FHC director has asked that we (the stake computer specialists) investigate networking the library computers. This list, and The directors Nest,
    Message 1 of 14 , Dec 1, 2000
      Our local FHC director has asked that we (the stake computer specialists)
      investigate networking the library computers. This list, and The directors'
      Nest, has been a gold mine. Thanks for the resources.

      One of the first questions I need to have answered is:
      How much hard drive space do I need? We would like to put all of the
      cds on the server, but with the new addendum coming out we don't know the
      space requirements.

      And a related question. Has anyone tried using DriveSpace on the
      server's drive to enable the use of a smaller drive? I would expect a
      performance hit, but it would still beat swapping cds.

      Thanks in advance.
      Mike Weaver
    • Dan Speakman
      The current version takes about 40 gig. We just networked our Family History Center. We put in a server running Windows 2000. It has 2 80 gig hard drives
      Message 2 of 14 , Dec 1, 2000
        The current version takes about 40 gig. We just networked our Family History
        Center. We put in a server running Windows 2000. It has 2 80 gig hard drives
        striped to form 1 160 gig hard drive. We feel we have plenty of space for
        future releases and other geneology programs.

        James Speakman
        Fillmore, Utah Stake

        -----Original Message-----
        From: mweaver [mailto:mweaver@...]
        Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 10:09 AM
        To: fhctech
        Subject: [fhctech] hard drive size requirements


        Our local FHC director has asked that we (the stake computer specialists)
        investigate networking the library computers. This list, and The directors'
        Nest, has been a gold mine. Thanks for the resources.

        One of the first questions I need to have answered is:
        How much hard drive space do I need? We would like to put all of the
        cds on the server, but with the new addendum coming out we don't know the
        space requirements.

        And a related question. Has anyone tried using DriveSpace on the
        server's drive to enable the use of a smaller drive? I would expect a
        performance hit, but it would still beat swapping cds.

        Thanks in advance.
        Mike Weaver



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      • mweaver
        Thanks for the input. It looks like DriveSpace isn t worth the trouble - 100 megs is a nothing when we re talking 80 gigs. Mike ... From: Phil Jeffrey To:
        Message 3 of 14 , Dec 1, 2000
          Thanks for the input.  It looks like DriveSpace isn't worth the trouble - 100 megs is a nothing when we're talking 80 gigs.
           
          Mike
           
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          Subject: RE: [fhctech] hard drive size requirements

          Mike

          I tried drive space when I built the system the first time and found about a 100meg saving. Looks like the data files are already compressed pretty well. The only performance hit I saw was the processor load went to 100% ( as opposed to 30% uncompressed) when retrieving.

          Phil Jeffrey

          >
          > And a related question. Has anyone tried using DriveSpace on the
          >server's drive to enable the use of a smaller drive? I would expect a
          >performance hit, but it would still beat swapping cds.
          >
          >Thanks in advance.
          >Mike Weaver
          >


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        • Phil Jeffrey
          Dan I would suggested you don t stripe. I did that with our NT based server and when I lost a drive from the set I needed to reload everything (pointers got
          Message 4 of 14 , Dec 1, 2000

            Dan

            I would suggested you don't stripe. I did that with our NT based server and when I lost a drive from the set I needed to reload everything (pointers got all messed up). It took me most of a full day to reload everything . After that I rebuilt it as indivdul drives and when  I lost a drive all I needed to do was restore what was on that drive. I know it wastes space but saves time on restore. Now if you have lots of money you could have a mirror drive :-}.
            Phil Jeffrey

            >From: "Dan Speakman"
            >Reply-To: fhctech@egroups.com
            >To:
            >Subject: RE: [fhctech] hard drive size requirements
            >Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 11:47:06 -0700
            >
            >The current version takes about 40 gig. We just networked our Family History
            >Center. We put in a server running Windows 2000. It has 2 80 gig hard drives
            >striped to form 1 160 gig hard drive. We feel we have plenty of space for
            >future releases and other geneology programs.
            >
            >James Speakman
            >Fillmore, Utah Stake
            >
            >-----Original Message-----
            >From: mweaver [mailto:mweaver@...]
            >Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 10:09 AM
            >To: fhctech
            >Subject: [fhctech] hard drive size requirements
            >
            >
            >Our local FHC director has asked that we (the stake computer specialists)
            >investigate networking the library computers. This list, and The directors'
            >Nest, has been a gold mine. Thanks for the resources.
            >
            >One of the first questions I need to have answered is:
            > How much hard drive space do I need? We would like to put all of the
            >cds on the server, but with the new addendum coming out we don't know the
            >space requirements.
            >
            > And a related question. Has anyone tried using DriveSpace on the
            >server's drive to enable the use of a smaller drive? I would expect a
            >performance hit, but it would still beat swapping cds.
            >
            >Thanks in advance.
            >Mike Weaver
            >
            >
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          • Justin Masters
            Course, you could go RAID... but... :-) $$$$ Justin Verily, Phil Jeffrey did write: [text/html is unsupported, treating like TEXT/PLAIN] ... Justin Masters
            Message 5 of 14 , Dec 1, 2000
              Course, you could go RAID... but... :-) $$$$

              Justin

              Verily, Phil Jeffrey did write:
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              | <P>Dan</P>
              | <P>I would suggested you don't stripe. I did that with our NT based server and when I lost a drive from the set I needed to reload everything (pointers got all messed up). It took me most of a full day to reload everything . After that I rebuilt it as indivdul drives and when  I lost a drive all I needed to do was restore what was on that drive. I know it wastes space but saves time on restore. Now if you have lots of money you could have a mirror drive :-}.<BR>Phil Jeffrey<BR></P></DIV>
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            • Phil Jeffrey
              Mike I tried drive space when I built the system the first time and found about a 100meg saving. Looks like the data files are already compressed pretty well.
              Message 6 of 14 , Dec 1, 2000

                Mike

                I tried drive space when I built the system the first time and found about a 100meg saving. Looks like the data files are already compressed pretty well. The only performance hit I saw was the processor load went to 100% ( as opposed to 30% uncompressed) when retrieving.

                Phil Jeffrey

                >
                > And a related question. Has anyone tried using DriveSpace on the
                >server's drive to enable the use of a smaller drive? I would expect a
                >performance hit, but it would still beat swapping cds.
                >
                >Thanks in advance.
                >Mike Weaver
                >


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              • tnh@owc.net
                ... You asked how much space for the Family Search CDs. The present system (already reported) takes less than 40G (actually, around 36G) and if the rumors are
                Message 7 of 14 , Dec 10, 2000
                  On Fri, 1 Dec 2000 11:02:31 -0800, you wrote:

                  >Thanks for the input. It looks like DriveSpace isn't worth the trouble - 100 megs is a nothing when we're talking 80 gigs.
                  >
                  >Mike

                  You asked how much space for the Family Search CDs. The present system
                  (already reported) takes less than 40G (actually, around 36G) and if the
                  rumors are true (it would be nice to know the requirements in advance of
                  the next release -- hint, hint, hint) there will be ten more CDs in the
                  addendum. Even at max capacity, that's less than 4G.

                  When I put together the new networked system for the Buffalo Grove, IL,
                  FHC, I installed a single 60G hard drive, partitioned into two 30G
                  partitions. From there, I broke it up by folder and set them up as shared
                  as needed for each of the Family Search categories.

                  Tom Huber
                • tnh@owc.net
                  Now that I just saw the report on the Windows version of Temple Ready, I will revise my estimate... 31 CDs translates into about 20G so the 60 G Hard disk
                  Message 8 of 14 , Dec 10, 2000
                    Now that I just saw the report on the Windows version of Temple Ready, I
                    will revise my estimate... 31 CDs translates into about 20G so the 60 G
                    Hard disk drive is about max'd out.

                    The other alternative is to install more than one HDD and with prices under
                    $200 for most sizes... and a unit with a single CD can handle up to three
                    HDDs. Plenty of room on one system to serve as a share for the rest of the
                    peer-to-peer system.

                    Tom Huber
                  • Justin Masters
                    ... You may want to reconsider putting 3 more HDD s along with the CD. You see, the HDD on the same IDE channel will operate at the speed of the CDROM in data
                    Message 9 of 14 , Dec 10, 2000
                      Verily, tnh@... did write:
                      | Now that I just saw the report on the Windows version of Temple Ready, I
                      | will revise my estimate... 31 CDs translates into about 20G so the 60 G
                      | Hard disk drive is about max'd out.
                      |
                      | The other alternative is to install more than one HDD and with prices under
                      | $200 for most sizes... and a unit with a single CD can handle up to three
                      | HDDs. Plenty of room on one system to serve as a share for the rest of the
                      | peer-to-peer system.

                      You may want to reconsider putting 3 more HDD's along with the CD.
                      You see, the HDD on the same IDE channel will operate at the speed of
                      the CDROM in data transfers...

                      You can probably get more if you use something like and IDE card
                      (Promise comes to mind).

                      Justin

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                    • mweaver
                      My inclination at this point is to go toward a single 80 gig. There isn t much price difference between the 60 and the 80 (less than $50 at egghead). This
                      Message 10 of 14 , Dec 11, 2000
                        My inclination at this point is to go toward a single 80 gig.  There isn't much price difference between the 60 and the 80 (less than $50 at egghead).  This will allow me to add a second hard drive in the future if needed.
                         
                        Thanks for the input.
                        Mike Weaver
                         
                        ----- Original Message -----
                        From: tnh@...
                        Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2000 6:09 PM
                        Subject: Re: [fhctech] hard drive size requirements

                        Now that I just saw the report on the Windows version of Temple Ready, I
                        will revise my estimate... 31 CDs translates into about 20G so the 60 G
                        Hard disk drive is about max'd out.

                        The other alternative is to install more than one HDD and with prices under
                        $200 for most sizes... and a unit with a single CD can handle up to three
                        HDDs. Plenty of room on one system to serve as a share for the rest of the
                        peer-to-peer system.

                        Tom Huber


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                      • mweaver
                        I agree. If it s a matter of copying the cd s to a hard drive on the same cable as the CDROM drive, verses using the CD s, then it s a no brainer. Mike Weaver
                        Message 11 of 14 , Dec 11, 2000
                          I agree.  If it's a matter of copying the cd's to a hard drive on the same cable as the CDROM drive, verses using the CD's, then it's a no brainer. 
                           
                          Mike Weaver
                           
                          ----- Original Message -----
                          Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 7:35 AM
                          Subject: [fhctech] Re: hard drive size requirements

                          I think any speed penality of having a HD on the same controller as
                          the Cd drive will be FAR outweighed by the Advantage of Not Swapping
                          CD's.v And you could make it t6he drivev with the Lesser used CD's.
                          Of course a secondary IDE controller would be the Ultimate solution.
                          BUT does the DELL have room for more then 4 IDE devices??
                          OF course those More Affluent Areas having Full Tower 1000MHZ Servers
                          would have no problem.  :-) :-)

                          Tom Walker


                          >
                          > You may want to reconsider putting 3 more HDD's along with the CD.
                          > You see, the HDD on the same IDE channel will operate at the speed
                          of
                          > the CDROM in data transfers...
                          >
                          > You can probably get more if you use something like and IDE card
                          > (Promise comes to mind).
                          >
                          > Justin
                          >
                          > |
                          > | Tom Huber




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                        • twalker@k-online.com
                          I think any speed penality of having a HD on the same controller as the Cd drive will be FAR outweighed by the Advantage of Not Swapping CD s.v And you could
                          Message 12 of 14 , Dec 11, 2000
                            I think any speed penality of having a HD on the same controller as
                            the Cd drive will be FAR outweighed by the Advantage of Not Swapping
                            CD's.v And you could make it t6he drivev with the Lesser used CD's.
                            Of course a secondary IDE controller would be the Ultimate solution.
                            BUT does the DELL have room for more then 4 IDE devices??
                            OF course those More Affluent Areas having Full Tower 1000MHZ Servers
                            would have no problem. :-) :-)

                            Tom Walker


                            >
                            > You may want to reconsider putting 3 more HDD's along with the CD.
                            > You see, the HDD on the same IDE channel will operate at the speed
                            of
                            > the CDROM in data transfers...
                            >
                            > You can probably get more if you use something like and IDE card
                            > (Promise comes to mind).
                            >
                            > Justin
                            >
                            > |
                            > | Tom Huber
                          • Justin Masters
                            ... This more affluent area seems to have a Pentium 100 and it physically only can hold 1 hard disk drive and 1 CDROM and 1 floppy. The BIOS gave me trouble
                            Message 13 of 14 , Dec 11, 2000
                              Verily, twalker@... did write:
                              | I think any speed penality of having a HD on the same controller as
                              | the Cd drive will be FAR outweighed by the Advantage of Not Swapping
                              | CD's.v And you could make it t6he drivev with the Lesser used CD's.
                              | Of course a secondary IDE controller would be the Ultimate solution.
                              | BUT does the DELL have room for more then 4 IDE devices??
                              | OF course those More Affluent Areas having Full Tower 1000MHZ Servers
                              | would have no problem. :-) :-)
                              |
                              | Tom Walker

                              This more affluent area seems to have a Pentium 100 and it physically
                              only can hold 1 hard disk drive and 1 CDROM and 1 floppy. The BIOS
                              gave me trouble with a large HDD, and finally went with a drive
                              controller card. But no money to upgrade to a HUGE hard drive. I
                              tried sneaking one in on a purchase of other items, and I was told to
                              take it back. Turns out I had to buy it again a week later as the HDD
                              crashed. (I swear, I had nothing to do with it... It had a spotty
                              history for months, but not bad enough to warrant a new drive.)

                              Justin


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                            • twalker@k-online.com
                              Well this area that was also9 stuuggiling along with a 100 Mhz Pentium until a Stroke of Luck got us one of the New Dells is about the same. Putting up with
                              Message 14 of 14 , Dec 12, 2000
                                Well this area that was also9 stuuggiling along with a 100 Mhz
                                Pentium until a Stroke of Luck got us one of the New Dells is about
                                the same. Putting up with Hand me downs and all that.
                                Yuo do have one Major advantage though. I see you list yourself as
                                a "System Programer". Well Calling me to be the Stake Computer
                                Specialist is about the same as Asking a guy that CANNOT swim to Jump
                                in the Deep end of the pool to save someone.
                                Tom Walker

                                --- In fhctech@egroups.com, Justin Masters <jmasters@p...> wrote:
                                > Verily, twalker@k... did write:

                                > | OF course those More Affluent Areas having Full Tower 1000MHZ
                                Servers
                                > | would have no problem. :-) :-)
                                > |
                                > | Tom Walker
                                >
                                > This more affluent area seems to have a Pentium 100 and it
                                physically
                                > only can hold 1 hard disk drive and 1 CDROM and 1 floppy. The BIOS
                                > gave me trouble with a large HDD, and finally went with a drive
                                > controller card. But no money to upgrade to a HUGE hard drive. I
                                > tried sneaking one in on a purchase of other items, and I was told
                                to
                                > take it back. Turns out I had to buy it again a week later as the
                                HDD
                                > crashed. (I swear, I had nothing to do with it... It had a spotty
                                > history for months, but not bad enough to warrant a new drive.)
                                >
                                > Justin
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