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  • Mike Fauber
    One thing to consider is that a 486 -33mh PC with any amount of memory is not an approved configuration (by the church or Microsoft) for running W95. The
    Message 1 of 7 , Aug 31, 2000
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      One thing to consider is that a 486 -33mh PC with any amount of memory is
      not an approved configuration (by the church or Microsoft) for running W95.
      The minimum approved configuration is a 486-66mh and you'll find that to be
      pretty slow. After discussing our situation in our stake with Salt Lake, I
      was instructed request a replacement PC (not new, a hand-me-down) for all of
      the admin computers that didn't meet those specs. They want at least one
      computer in each family history center capable of running W95. All other
      FHC PC's, if approved by SL, must also comply with those specs to be
      upgraded to W95. I'm not sure if they will replace a donated PC though...

      Mike Fauber


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      Subject: [fhctech] Upgrading computer


      >
      > I signed up for this list a couple of months ago. I'm the director of
      > the Palm Beach Gardens FHC. Our stake computer specialist recently
      > moved out of state and I am in need of some help. I am fairly comfortable
      > around computers and teach computer applications at a private elementary
      > school.
      >
      > We are trying to upgrade a computer we received from SLC back in
      > '94 so that we can run Windows 95 on it. It is an IBM Value Point (433
      > DX/Dp).
      > I want to increase the amount of RAM. Our FHC Tech specialist installed
      > the
      > RAM but the computer won't recognize anything but 4M SIMMS. He seems
      > to think that these computers came with a setup disk that we have to have
      > in order to change the settings. We have search everywhere for this
      > disk.
      > It was not in any of the materials that were turned over to me when I
      > became
      > the director. He thought it might be in the Bishop's office, but several
      > searches
      > there have turned up nothing.
      >
      > I would appreciate any help that you can give me. If it does require a
      > disk,
      > where would I get one? Is there anything else we can do if one is not
      > available?
      >
      > Thanks!
      > Carolyn
      >
      >
      >
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    • tnh@owc.net
      ... True. In fact, minimum configuration for accepting even donated computers is a 133 MHz Pentium machine. If there are no other computers in the center that
      Message 2 of 7 , Sep 1, 2000
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        On Thu, 31 Aug 2000 08:55:48 -0400, you wrote:

        >One thing to consider is that a 486 -33mh PC with any amount of memory is
        >not an approved configuration (by the church or Microsoft) for running W95.

        True. In fact, minimum configuration for accepting even donated computers
        is a 133 MHz Pentium machine. If there are no other computers in the center
        that meet at least that specification, the director should work through the
        FM group to have Salt Lake ship one that meets minimum standards for
        running IM (in the U.S. and Canada). I do not know if any of this applies
        to centers outside the U.S. and Canada.

        I definitely would not waste time attempting to add more memory to the 33
        MHz IBM mentioned in the message.

        Tom Huber
        Crystal Lake, IL, FHC.

        >> We are trying to upgrade a computer we received from SLC back in
        >> '94 so that we can run Windows 95 on it. It is an IBM Value Point (433
        >> DX/Dp).
        >> I want to increase the amount of RAM. Our FHC Tech specialist installed
        >> the
        >> RAM but the computer won't recognize anything but 4M SIMMS. He seems
        >> to think that these computers came with a setup disk that we have to have
        >> in order to change the settings. We have search everywhere for this
        >> disk.
        >> It was not in any of the materials that were turned over to me when I
        >> became
        >> the director. He thought it might be in the Bishop's office, but several
        >> searches
        >> there have turned up nothing.
        >>
        >> I would appreciate any help that you can give me. If it does require a
        >> disk,
        >> where would I get one? Is there anything else we can do if one is not
        >> available?
        >>
        >> Thanks!
        >> Carolyn
        >>
        >>
        >>
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      • Mike St Clair
        Don t take this as a recommendation that what I m describing would be a good idea in a FHC, but...... I recently upgraded a Valuepoint belonging to my
        Message 3 of 7 , Sep 1, 2000
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          Don't take this as a recommendation that what I'm describing would be a good idea
          in a FHC, but......  
           
          I recently upgraded a Valuepoint belonging to my daughter's college friend.  It was like that
          described below.  If I remember right, it would only support 4 mb and 16 mb SIMMS and it
          was "picky" about having matched pairs.  It's working fine with an Evergreen CPU replacement 
          module (AMD 586-133) at about the performance of a 133 Pentium.  The Evergreen's are
          readily available on eBay for $20-30.
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          Sent: Friday, September 01, 2000 4:01 PM
          Subject: Re: [fhctech] Upgrading computer


          On Thu, 31 Aug 2000 08:55:48 -0400, you wrote:

          >One thing to consider is that a 486 -33mh PC with any amount of memory is
          >not an approved configuration (by the church or Microsoft) for running W95.

          True. In fact, minimum configuration for accepting even donated computers
          is a 133 MHz Pentium machine. If there are no other computers in the center
          that meet at least that specification, the director should work through the
          FM group to have Salt Lake ship one that meets minimum standards for
          running IM (in the U.S. and Canada). I do not know if any of this applies
          to centers outside the U.S. and Canada.

          I definitely would not waste time attempting to add more memory to the 33
          MHz IBM mentioned in the message.

          Tom Huber
          Crystal Lake, IL, FHC.

          >> We are trying to upgrade a computer we received from SLC back in
          >> '94 so that we can run Windows 95 on it.  It is an IBM Value Point (433
          >> DX/Dp).
          >> I want to increase the amount of RAM.  Our FHC Tech specialist installed
          >> the
          >> RAM but the computer won't recognize anything but 4M SIMMS.  He seems
          >> to think that these computers came with a setup disk that we have to have
          >> in order to change the settings.  We have search everywhere for this
          >> disk.
          >> It was not in any of the materials that were turned over to me when I
          >> became
          >> the director.  He thought it might be in the Bishop's office, but several
          >> searches
          >> there have turned up nothing.
          >>
          >> I would appreciate any help that you can give me.  If it does require a
          >> disk,
          >> where would I get one?  Is there anything else we can do if one is not
          >> available?
          >>
          >> Thanks!
          >> Carolyn

        • Marty Allred
          ... memory is ... running W95. ... This is at least half false. According to Microsoft, Windows 95 requires only at least a 386DX and 4M of memory. Amazing,
          Message 4 of 7 , Sep 12, 2000
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            --- In fhctech@egroups.com, tnh@o... wrote:
            > On Thu, 31 Aug 2000 08:55:48 -0400, you wrote:
            >
            > >One thing to consider is that a 486 -33mh PC with any amount of
            memory is
            > >not an approved configuration (by the church or Microsoft) for
            running W95.
            >
            > True.

            This is at least half false. According to Microsoft, Windows 95
            requires only at least a 386DX and 4M of memory. Amazing, isn't it?
            To see for yourself, go to:
            http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q149/7/12.asp?LN=EN-
            US&SD=gn&FR=0

            > In fact, minimum configuration for accepting even donated computers
            > is a 133 MHz Pentium machine. If there are no other computers in
            the center
            > that meet at least that specification, the director should work
            through the
            > FM group to have Salt Lake ship one that meets minimum standards for
            > running IM (in the U.S. and Canada). I do not know if any of this
            applies
            > to centers outside the U.S. and Canada.

            I don't know the official minimum system requirements for Family
            History Centers, but we were using, until *very* recently, a bunch of
            486's (ranging from 25 to 66MHz) in our little stake FHC with very
            satisfactory results. Of course, we live in a town with thousands of
            highly technical people, and where the average income is pretty high.
            It wouldn't be much for us to get really nice computers. HOWEVER,
            there are an awful lot of places, even in the USA, where the money
            and available second hand computers just aren't there. If you have
            the room and human resources to set up a 486 computer, and you don't
            have the option of putting a faster one in its place, I say go for it.

            A fully functional computer is better than no computer at all. Just
            let the patrons know that it runs slower than the other ones and let
            them decide if they'd rather wait for the birds in the bush or use
            the bird in the hand.
          • tnh@owc.net
            ... Heh. It isn t surprising (cynical mode on). I m not a big fan of Microsoft, but yes, Win95 will run on that system. Now as to how fast, and as to how much
            Message 5 of 7 , Sep 12, 2000
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              On Tue, 12 Sep 2000 19:02:46 -0000, you wrote:

              >--- In fhctech@egroups.com, tnh@o... wrote:
              >> On Thu, 31 Aug 2000 08:55:48 -0400, you wrote:
              >>
              >> >One thing to consider is that a 486 -33mh PC with any amount of
              >memory is
              >> >not an approved configuration (by the church or Microsoft) for
              >running W95.
              >>
              >> True.
              >
              >This is at least half false. According to Microsoft, Windows 95
              >requires only at least a 386DX and 4M of memory. Amazing, isn't it?

              Heh. It isn't surprising (cynical mode on). I'm not a big fan of Microsoft,
              but yes, Win95 will run on that system. Now as to how fast, and as to how
              much work the disk will see... those are birds and horses of a different
              color.

              Regardless of what has been published by support, the official word was
              that the equipment had to be a 486 with 8M RAM. This was when Win95 was
              first released and a system could not receive the "Win95 Ready" stamp
              without meeting at least that specification.

              >> In fact, minimum configuration for accepting even donated computers
              >> is a 133 MHz Pentium machine. If there are no other computers in
              >the center
              >> that meet at least that specification, the director should work
              >through the
              >> FM group to have Salt Lake ship one that meets minimum standards for
              >> running IM (in the U.S. and Canada). I do not know if any of this
              >applies
              >> to centers outside the U.S. and Canada.
              >
              >I don't know the official minimum system requirements for Family
              >History Centers,

              See above. I'll have to do some digging, but this was part of the
              documentation we received from Salt Lake when we started setting up the CL
              FHC.

              > but we were using, until *very* recently, a bunch of
              >486's (ranging from 25 to 66MHz) in our little stake FHC with very
              >satisfactory results.

              For Family Search, the minimal CPU is a 386DX (SX's will *not* work with
              the latest version (2.26)). A good 33MHz 386 will perform adequately with
              Family Search as long as DOS is configured correctly. You can easily get by
              with 4M RAM...

              However, you'll play havoc if you attempt to load Win95 and IM on that
              system. As I stated above, if you do not have a Pentium system, contact Jay
              Thornton to start the process. He'll provide instructions on what to do to
              get a system for a U.S. Stake FHC that will run the IM program.

              >Of course, we live in a town with thousands of
              >highly technical people, and where the average income is pretty high.
              >It wouldn't be much for us to get really nice computers. HOWEVER,
              >there are an awful lot of places, even in the USA, where the money
              >and available second hand computers just aren't there. If you have
              >the room and human resources to set up a 486 computer, and you don't
              >have the option of putting a faster one in its place, I say go for it.

              In the US, there is an option... contact the Church. There is absolutely no
              need for any Stake FHC to be without one system that is current with Church
              requirements. You may have to wait for budget, but at least you can get a
              decent system.
              >
              >A fully functional computer is better than no computer at all. Just
              >let the patrons know that it runs slower than the other ones and let
              >them decide if they'd rather wait for the birds in the bush or use
              >the bird in the hand.

              My advice is to follow the council provided. If the system does not meet
              the standards set by the church, then kindly decline any offer for the
              equipment. The instructions are also specific about upgrading donated
              equipment to meet the standards. We aren't to do it.

              Keep in mind this applies only to equipment being offered to the center. If
              you go through an audit, you will be asked if all the donated equipment
              meets the standards set forth by the church. You are expected to provide an
              affirmative response (I know, I just went through an audit). The audits are
              supposed to be performed twice a year, so if you haven't had one, sooner or
              later, you'll go through one.

              By the way, the audits are not bad or difficult, as long as you are
              following procedures. Like all things, the church is quite understanding in
              those instances where existing equipment does not meet today's standards
              and isn't going to demand that you replace it or take it out of service.
              What the church wants to avoid is for our buildings to become repositories
              of obsolete equipment donated by members or "friends." Be especially
              careful if the donor wants a receipt and the equipment does not meet
              standards. Obsolete equipment has no tangible value in today's market and
              someone's cast off 386 or even 486 will likely fall into the "no tangible
              value" class.

              Commentary mode off.

              Tom Huber
              Crystal Lake, IL, FHC, Director
              Stake Computer Specialist
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