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  • Vern Taylor
    Hi List, On the FHCTech.org is a page and message about ordering Win98 CDs. It is currently incomplete or the system has changed since it was posted. Below is
    Message 1 of 6 , Feb 21, 2003
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      Hi List,
      On the FHCTech.org is a page and message about ordering Win98 CDs. It is
      currently incomplete or the system has changed since it was posted. Below
      is the result of the process I went through to get the order form. Please
      add this to your center's systems/help binder and post to FHCtech.org.
      Vern Taylor

      To reach the FHD at church headquarters,
      dial 1-800-453-3860
      then ext 2-3678 for the following menu:
      1. inquiries about hardware/software orders
      2. help with family history and CD-rom drives
      3. help with modems, membership, financial
      4. orders for equipment, computer repair, policy quidelines
      5. return a FHD call
      6. repeat menu
      choose option 4
      talk to Gayle Jeske or Susan to order the Information System Order Form
      this can be emailed to you in PDF format
      cross out Win95 OS and write in Win98 or Win2000
      have stake president sign it and return.
      If you fax it back, please send it to: 1-801-240-1384.


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    • vash
      Hello all, I have just had the strangest thing happen. running windows 2000 I installed family search to the d: drive of a computer using the command line
      Message 2 of 6 , Feb 25, 2003
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        Hello all,

        I have just had the strangest thing happen.
        running windows 2000
        I installed family search to the d: drive of a computer using the
        command line prompt of "install network" (I thought I'd leave the
        original installation on the c: drive alone - it works with the CDs
        just fine)

        well, after installing, I had some files get copied to the wrong
        directories on the shared drives so I needed to delete them and xcopy
        some of the CDs again.

        I launch FS from the d: drive and it works over the network just fine -
        all of the various features work.
        "Hooray!" I think to myself, this actually works!

        However, I notice that there is a listing there for a "library catalog"
        - I haven't installed that one on the network, because I have thought
        that we should be using the one that comes on the machine
        pre-installed, rather than use the older CD rom one. It runs in windows
        rather than dos, I'm sure you know the one I mean.

        So I thought I'd go back to reinstall family search and change the
        paramaters (so that it wouldn't display the option for "library
        catalog") I know you can do this because I had to do this before in
        order to have the ESC button exit the program for me.

        Now, whenever I type "install network" I get, after a hardware check of
        some kind, a message that says to me:"Your expanded memory manager is
        not loaded or there is not enough expanded memory available, ask your
        computer specialist to help resolve this problem. We require 933,888
        bytes of EMS memory free.
        Instructions to the computer specialist.
        1. Check the CONFIG.SYS file for an entry similar to one of the
        following:

        DEVICE=C:\DOS\EMM.SYS AT 258 .......
        .......
        "

        I got tired of typing that but there's more DEVICE lines.


        What is going on?
        I looked for a config.sys file, and after warning me not to open it,
        windows opened it in notepad, and it was empty.
        Right about then, I knew I was in over my head. Are these instructions
        in the error message appropriate for a windows 2000 installation? I
        don't know - I'm hoping some of you do.

        The only other thing I changed between the original install and this
        current attempt was put the monitor into 640X480 size while I copied to
        the network the files. I have since changed the screen back to it's
        1024Xsomething size that it was at before.

        ANY and ALL help would be greatly appreciated.

        Regards,
        Jeff Hedberg
      • Rick Klemetson
        To run install on a 2000 machine. Copy the install cd to your hard drive Browse to the folder, right click on install.exe, select “Send to Desktop” This
        Message 3 of 6 , Feb 25, 2003
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          To run install on a 2000 machine.

           

          Copy the install cd to your hard drive

          Browse to the folder, right click on install.exe, select “Send to Desktop”

          This will create an icon on your desktop.

          Right click on this new icon, select properties, click on the Program tab, click on the Cmd line: and add Network to the end of the line

          Click on the Memory Tab and change the Expanded (EMS) memory to 1024, Click OK and close the properties window.

          Click on the new icon to install the program.

          After the install is done, browse to the location of the pas program.

          Right click on pas.exe and send it to the desktop to create a new icon.

          Right Click on the icon, select properties, click on the Memory tab

          and change the Expanded (EMS) memory to 1024

           

          Next time you also have the option to browse to the pas folder and edit the menufile.txt to remove the entry for the library catalog.

          You can also edit the pasetup.txt and change the EXIT1ACTION= settings and printer settings.

          This will save you from doing a full install.

           

          Rick Klemetson

          Rick@...

          801.368.1770 Cell

           

          -----Original Message-----
          From: vash [mailto:vash@...]
          Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 9:11 PM
          To: fhctech@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: [fhctech] fs install error

           

          Hello all,

          I have just had the strangest thing happen.
          running windows 2000
          I installed family search to the d: drive of a computer using the
          command line prompt of "install network" (I thought I'd leave the
          original installation on the c: drive alone - it works with the CDs
          just fine)

          well, after installing, I had some files get copied to the wrong
          directories on the shared drives so I needed to delete them and xcopy
          some of the CDs again.

          I launch FS from the d: drive and it works over the network just fine -
          all of the various features work.
          "Hooray!" I think to myself, this actually works!

          However, I notice that there is a listing there for a "library catalog"
          - I haven't installed that one on the network, because I have thought
          that we should be using the one that comes on the machine
          pre-installed, rather than use the older CD rom one. It runs in windows
          rather than dos, I'm sure you know the one I mean.

          So I thought I'd go back to reinstall family search and change the
          paramaters (so that it wouldn't display the option for "library
          catalog") I know you can do this because I had to do this before in
          order to have the ESC button exit the program for me.

          Now, whenever I type "install network" I get, after a hardware check of
          some kind, a message that says to me:"Your expanded memory manager is
          not loaded or there is not enough expanded memory available, ask your
          computer specialist to help resolve this problem. We require 933,888
          bytes of EMS memory free.
          Instructions to the computer specialist.
          1. Check the CONFIG.SYS file for an entry similar to one of the
          following:

          DEVICE=C:\DOS\EMM.SYS AT 258  .......
          .......
          "

          I got tired of typing that but there's more DEVICE lines.


          What is going on?
          I looked for a config.sys file, and after warning me not to open it,
          windows opened it in notepad, and it was empty.
          Right about then, I knew I was in over my head. Are these instructions
          in the error message appropriate for a windows 2000 installation? I
          don't know - I'm hoping some of you do.

          The only other thing I changed between the original install and this
          current attempt was put the monitor into 640X480 size while I copied to
          the network the files. I have since changed the screen back to it's
          1024Xsomething size that it was at before.

          ANY and ALL help would be greatly appreciated.

          Regards,
          Jeff Hedberg



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        • Louis Puster
          Uh, I believe that INSTALL.exe is for a DOS installation and SETUP.exe is for a Windows installation. The documentation at
          Message 4 of 6 , Feb 26, 2003
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            Uh,  I believe that INSTALL.exe is for a DOS installation and SETUP.exe is for a Windows installation.
             
            The documentation at http://www.fhctech.org/applications/fsconfig.htm says use "SETUP NETWORK" not "INSTALL NETWORK".
             
            Also, I would like to add a couple of comments:
             
            1.  SETUP will complete the setup properly, even for Temple Ready, if during the installation you scroll down on the Platter Locations list to Temple Ready, press Enter to modify, then select the drives for IGI and IGI Addendum with the spacebar.  Then, it will be unnecessary to go through all the control files and verify correct contents.
             
            2.  The database directories can be shared Read/Only.  At least this works on our Win NT server - Win 98 workstation setup.
             
            3.  The old DOS Library Catalog allows more search options and will do searches noticeably faster than the Windows version.  We have some professional genealogists that swear by the DOS version.  I know that there are some new films that are not listed there, but there are thousands of films that ARE listed there.
             
            4.  I'm not sure why one would want to copy the install CD to the hard drive.  Won't that waste a lot of space unless it is deleted after the install?  Why not just do the install off the CD?  I did it that way, and it works fine.  You insert the CD and it autoruns.  Cancel out of that and type SETUP NETWORK in a DOS window after changing to the CD-ROM drive.
             
            5.  The install creates a PAS.BAT file in the root.  As I remember, the contents of this file changes the current directory to C:\PAS, then executes the command PAS 0.  That's a zero.  I don't know what the parameter is for, but I set up the shortcut to provide it.  And, yes, you might have to open the properties of the shortcut and define 1024K of EMS (although it seems to me that leaving it set to "Auto" in Win98 works OK).
             
            Louis.

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            On 2/25/2003 at 11:14 PM Rick Klemetson wrote:

            To run install on a 2000 machine.

             

            Copy the install cd to your hard drive

            Browse to the folder, right click on install.exe, select �Send to Desktop�

            This will create an icon on your desktop.

            Right click on this new icon, select properties, click on the Program tab, click on the Cmd line: and add Network to the end of the line

            Click on the Memory Tab and change the Expanded (EMS) memory to 1024, Click OK and close the properties window.

            Click on the new icon to install the program.

            After the install is done, browse to the location of the pas program.

            Right click on pas.exe and send it to the desktop to create a new icon.

            Right Click on the icon, select properties, click on the Memory tab

            and change the Expanded (EMS) memory to 1024

             

            Next time you also have the option to browse to the pas folder and edit the menufile.txt to remove the entry for the library catalog.

            You can also edit the pasetup.txt and change the EXIT1ACTION= settings and printer settings.

            This will save you from doing a full install.

             

            Rick Klemetson

            Rick@...

            801.368.1770 Cell

             

            -----Original Message-----
            From: vash [mailto:vash@...]
            Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 9:11 PM
            To: fhctech@yahoogroups.com
            Subject: [fhctech] fs install error

             

            Hello all,

            I have just had the strangest thing happen.
            running windows 2000
            I installed family search to the d: drive of a computer using the
            command line prompt of "install network" (I thought I'd leave the
            original installation on the c: drive alone - it works with the CDs
            just fine)

            well, after installing, I had some files get copied to the wrong
            directories on the shared drives so I needed to delete them and xcopy
            some of the CDs again.

            I launch FS from the d: drive and it works over the network just fine -
            all of the various features work.
            "Hooray!" I think to myself, this actually works!

            However, I notice that there is a listing there for a "library catalog"
            - I haven't installed that one on the network, because I have thought
            that we should be using the one that comes on the machine
            pre-installed, rather than use the older CD rom one. It runs in windows
            rather than dos, I'm sure you know the one I mean.

            So I thought I'd go back to reinstall family search and change the
            paramaters (so that it wouldn't display the option for "library
            catalog") I know you can do this because I had to do this before in
            order to have the ESC button exit the program for me.

            Now, whenever I type "install network" I get, after a hardware check of
            some kind, a message that says to me:"Your expanded memory manager is
            not loaded or there is not enough expanded memory available, ask your
            computer specialist to help resolve this problem. We require 933,888
            bytes of EMS memory free.
            Instructions to the computer specialist.
            1. Check the CONFIG.SYS file for an entry similar to one of the
            following:

            DEVICE=C:\DOS\EMM.SYS AT 258  .......
            .......
            "

            I got tired of typing that but there's more DEVICE lines.


            What is going on?
            I looked for a config.sys file, and after warning me not to open it,
            windows opened it in notepad, and it was empty.
            Right about then, I knew I was in over my head. Are these instructions
            in the error message appropriate for a windows 2000 installation? I
            don't know - I'm hoping some of you do.

            The only other thing I changed between the original install and this
            current attempt was put the monitor into 640X480 size while I copied to
            the network the files. I have since changed the screen back to it's
            1024Xsomething size that it was at before.

            ANY and ALL help would be greatly appreciated.

            Regards,
            Jeff Hedberg

          • vash
            Rick, Thanks for the reply. It s curious that I was able to install it 2 times off of the CD with no need to copy it to the harddrive. Thanks very much for the
            Message 5 of 6 , Feb 26, 2003
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              Rick,
              Thanks for the reply.

              It's curious that I was able to install it 2 times off of the CD with
              no need to copy it to the harddrive. Thanks very much for the tip about
              changing the menufile.txt file. I think I'll do just that. :)

              After trying to learn a little about what extended and expanded memory
              were via google - I ran the command "mem" in the command line prompt,
              and sure enough, the expanded (or extended I can't quite remember which
              right now-not at the machine) memory available was 0 bytes.

              How would I set up my command line so that it _would_ have this
              expanded memory available?
              I followed the shortcut back to it's home as "com.exe" and it seems to
              have none of these "memory" tabs in it's properties.

              Would it be different if my config.sys file had those memory related
              lines written in it?
              Is it possible that it used to and somehow was erased?
              How would I know what it's default state was?

              Or should I just stop worrying about it and modify the menufile.txt
              file?
              (I tend to obsess on strange things like this, and really want to
              understand what happened/went wrong.)

              Thanks again,
              Jeff Hedberg

              On Wednesday, February 26, 2003, at 01:14 AM, Rick Klemetson wrote:

              > To run install on a 2000 machine.
              >
              >  
              >
              > Copy the install cd to your hard drive
              >
              > Browse to the folder, right click on install.exe, select “Send to
              > Desktop”
              >
              > This will create an icon on your desktop.
              >
              > Right click on this new icon, select properties, click on the Program
              > tab, click on the Cmd line: and add Network to the end of the line
              >
              > Click on the Memory Tab and change the Expanded (EMS) memory to 1024,
              > Click OK and close the properties window.
              >
              > Click on the new icon to install the program.
              >
              > After the install is done, browse to the location of the pas program.
              >
              > Right click on pas.exe and send it to the desktop to create a new icon.
              >
              > Right Click on the icon, select properties, click on the Memory tab
              >
              > and change the Expanded (EMS) memory to 1024
              >
              >  
              >
              > Next time you also have the option to browse to the pas folder and
              > edit the menufile.txt to remove the entry for the library catalog.
              >
              > You can also edit the pasetup.txt and change the EXIT1ACTION= settings
              > and printer settings.
              >
              > This will save you from doing a full install.
              >
              >  
              >
              > Rick Klemetson
              >
              > Rick@...
              >
              > 801.368.1770 Cell
              >
              >  
              > Hello all,
              >
              > I have just had the strangest thing happen.
              > running windows 2000
              > I installed family search to the d: drive of a computer using the
              > command line prompt of "install network" (I thought I'd leave the
              > original installation on the c: drive alone - it works with the CDs
              > just fine)
              >
              > well, after installing, I had some files get copied to the wrong
              > directories on the shared drives so I needed to delete them and xcopy
              > some of the CDs again.
              >
              > I launch FS from the d: drive and it works over the network just fine -
              > all of the various features work.
              > "Hooray!" I think to myself, this actually works!
              >
              > However, I notice that there is a listing there for a "library catalog"
              > - I haven't installed that one on the network, because I have thought
              > that we should be using the one that comes on the machine
              > pre-installed, rather than use the older CD rom one. It runs in windows
              > rather than dos, I'm sure you know the one I mean.
              >
              > So I thought I'd go back to reinstall family search and change the
              > paramaters (so that it wouldn't display the option for "library
              > catalog") I know you can do this because I had to do this before in
              > order to have the ESC button exit the program for me.
              >
              > Now, whenever I type "install network" I get, after a hardware check of
              > some kind, a message that says to me:"Your expanded memory manager is
              > not loaded or there is not enough expanded memory available, ask your
              > computer specialist to help resolve this problem. We require 933,888
              > bytes of EMS memory free.
              > Instructions to the computer specialist.
              > 1. Check the CONFIG.SYS file for an entry similar to one of the
              > following:
              >
              > DEVICE=C:\DOS\EMM.SYS AT 258  .......
              > .......
              > "
              >
              > I got tired of typing that but there's more DEVICE lines.
              >
              >
              > What is going on?
              > I looked for a config.sys file, and after warning me not to open it,
              > windows opened it in notepad, and it was empty.
              > Right about then, I knew I was in over my head. Are these instructions
              > in the error message appropriate for a windows 2000 installation? I
              > don't know - I'm hoping some of you do.
              >
              > The only other thing I changed between the original install and this
              > current attempt was put the monitor into 640X480 size while I copied to
              > the network the files. I have since changed the screen back to it's
              > 1024Xsomething size that it was at before.
              >
              > ANY and ALL help would be greatly appreciated.
              >
              > Regards,
              > Jeff Hedberg
              >
              >
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            • vash
              DOH! [smacks forehead] heh heh, oopsie. I ll give that a twirl. I m not sure why I typed setup once and install another time. Or as freakazoid would say
              Message 6 of 6 , Feb 26, 2003
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                DOH! [smacks forehead]

                heh heh, oopsie. I'll give that a twirl. I'm not sure why I typed
                "setup" once and "install" another time. Or as freakazoid would say
                "that was important and _I_forgot_it_."

                Thanks Louis!

                Jeff Hedberg


                On Wednesday, February 26, 2003, at 06:26 PM, Louis Puster wrote:

                > Uh,  I believe that INSTALL.exe is for a DOS installation and
                > SETUP.exe is for a Windows installation.
                >  
                > The documentation at
                > http://www.fhctech.org/applications/fsconfig.htm%c2%a0says use "SETUP
                > NETWORK" not "INSTALL NETWORK".
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