Loading ...
Sorry, an error occurred while loading the content.

Re: [fhctech] export from Paf

Expand Messages
  • Larry Lords
    When you say TempleReady I am assuming that you are talking TempleReady for DOS. If your patrons are going to use TempleReady for Windows they should not be
    Message 1 of 10 , Jun 11, 2002
    • 0 Attachment
      When you say TempleReady I am assuming that you are talking TempleReady for DOS.  If your patrons are going to use TempleReady for Windows they should not be creating a GEDCOM file.  The PAF should be read directly by TRW.  If this is done, ordinance dates can be placed into the PAF file.

      >>> dan.schmidt@... 06/10/02 07:39PM >>>
      I do not use these programs much, (hope to change that in the
      near future), so I'll explain the problem as I understand it.

      Quick explanation: 

      People bring in Paf files.  They want to export them to Temple
      Ready, which means they want them in GED.  Now... it seems
      you can't export to the same drive (a:) that you are reading from. 
      So, you need to dump it on C.  This is confusing to computer
      illiterates, and it annoys me.  I don't want them accessing the C:
      Drive  - I want to hide all the items on the desktop.  Increased
      security = less driving to far away places and more time to study
      Physics.

      Any ideas?

      Many Thanks,
      -Dan

      Long explantion (from user), just in case I missed something:

      PAF files are kept by Patrons on 3.5 disks (FDD).  They read the
      files with
      PAF or create them and save them to the FDD.  When they wish
      to submit names
      using TempleReady they must export the PAF file in a GEDCOM
      (.GED) format.
      This is done utilizing PAF export function.  The file to be exported
      must be
      active in PAF and the target drive for the export must be specified. 
      It is
      desirable to have both the source .PAF file and the related .GED
      on the same
      diskette or at least another diskette.  The best solution I have
      found is to
      have the patron complete the work to the .PAF file and save it
      back to the
      FDD.  The updated .PAF file is copied using a drag and drop on
      the desktop
      from the FDD to the My Documents folder on the c:\.  PAF is then
      started up
      and the file in c:\My Documents is opened and the export is
      completed back
      to the FDD.  This seems to work fairly well with Patrons
      possessing little
      to moderate skills.  The most common failure is a failure to save
      the
      updated .PAF to the FDD.  This results in what the Patron sees
      as "I lost my
      changes".  This is easily corrected by the Director or resident
      computer
      specialist.  We would appreciate any better procedure or work
      around.



      Home Page: http://fhctech.org/
      Community email addresses:
        Post message: fhctech@yahoogroups.com
        Subscribe:    fhctech-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
        Unsubscribe:  fhctech-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
        List owner:   Rick@...
      Shortcut URL to Yahoo! group page:
        http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fhctech

      Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/



      ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      This message may contain confidential information, and is intended only for the use of the individual(s) to whom it is addressed.


      ==============================================================================

    • orkiwi2001
      ... Our FHC has PAF 5.1.12 and Temple Ready for Windows on all patron. We do not support TR for DOS, it often does not do an effective or correct comparison,
      Message 2 of 10 , Jun 11, 2002
      • 0 Attachment
        >
        > People bring in Paf files. They want to export them to Temple
        > Ready, which means they want them in GED. Now... >
        > Any ideas?
        >
        > Many Thanks,
        > -Dan

        Our FHC has PAF 5.1.12 and Temple Ready for Windows on all patron.
        We do not support TR for DOS, it often does not do an effective or
        correct comparison, hence the replacement to TR for Windows. Here's a
        quick description of what we do.

        1. We request that our patrons bring in a backup of their PAF
        database, not a GEDCOM. We then restore the backup directly into PAF
        5.1.12 in a PAF Data directory on the data server. All PAFs in the
        network are defaulted to that data address - simplifies things a lot.

        A recent GEDCOM example- a patron brought in 7 separate GEDCOMS
        representing 24 individuals, all extracted from her home database - I
        first imported them into a single PAF 5.1.12 database - match/merged
        and established correct links. then -

        2. Our FHC uses Temple Ready for Windows (TR/Win) - July 2001 release.
        At this point, I opened her single file using PAF and then clicked on
        the Tool/Temple Ready option on the PAF menu bar. We were off and
        running in Temple Ready - we made our selections and as we confirmed
        the ordinance/data changes presented by TR/Win, they were applied
        against the patron's PAF file on our server.

        When we exited TR/Win, we returned to PAF, I then proceeded to create
        a new single GEDCOM and showed the patron how she would import it
        into her home database.

        When a patron does bring in a PAF Backup (.zip) of their complete
        database, after completing the TR/Win session - I exit from TR/Win
        back into PAF, I create a PAF backup (.ZIP)of the updated version on
        our server and instruct the patron on how to replace their database
        at home. No GEDCOMS to decipher.

        This process works well for us and our patrons.

        Wayne Horscroft
        Beaverton Family History Center - Oregon
      • Yahoo
        As long as there is enough room on the A drive, the paf program will export the temple ready gedcom file to the A drive. This should not be a problem. ...
        Message 3 of 10 , Jun 12, 2002
        • 0 Attachment
          As long as there is enough room on the A drive, the paf program will export the temple ready gedcom file to the A drive.  This should not be a problem.
          ----- Original Message -----
          Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 10:15 AM
          Subject: Re: [fhctech] export from Paf

          When you say TempleReady I am assuming that you are talking TempleReady for DOS.  If your patrons are going to use TempleReady for Windows they should not be creating a GEDCOM file.  The PAF should be read directly by TRW.  If this is done, ordinance dates can be placed into the PAF file.

          >>> dan.schmidt@... 06/10/02 07:39PM >>>
          I do not use these programs much, (hope to change that in the
          near future), so I'll explain the problem as I understand it.

          Quick explanation: 

          People bring in Paf files.  They want to export them to Temple
          Ready, which means they want them in GED.  Now... it seems
          you can't export to the same drive (a:) that you are reading from. 
          So, you need to dump it on C.  This is confusing to computer
          illiterates, and it annoys me.  I don't want them accessing the C:
          Drive  - I want to hide all the items on the desktop.  Increased
          security = less driving to far away places and more time to study
          Physics.

          Any ideas?

          Many Thanks,
          -Dan

          Long explantion (from user), just in case I missed something:

          PAF files are kept by Patrons on 3.5 disks (FDD).  They read the
          files with
          PAF or create them and save them to the FDD.  When they wish
          to submit names
          using TempleReady they must export the PAF file in a GEDCOM
          (.GED) format.
          This is done utilizing PAF export function.  The file to be exported
          must be
          active in PAF and the target drive for the export must be specified. 
          It is
          desirable to have both the source .PAF file and the related .GED
          on the same
          diskette or at least another diskette.  The best solution I have
          found is to
          have the patron complete the work to the .PAF file and save it
          back to the
          FDD.  The updated .PAF file is copied using a drag and drop on
          the desktop
          from the FDD to the My Documents folder on the c:\.  PAF is then
          started up
          and the file in c:\My Documents is opened and the export is
          completed back
          to the FDD.  This seems to work fairly well with Patrons
          possessing little
          to moderate skills.  The most common failure is a failure to save
          the
          updated .PAF to the FDD.  This results in what the Patron sees
          as "I lost my
          changes".  This is easily corrected by the Director or resident
          computer
          specialist.  We would appreciate any better procedure or work
          around.



          Home Page: http://fhctech.org/
          Community email addresses:
            Post message: fhctech@yahoogroups.com
            Subscribe:    fhctech-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
            Unsubscribe:  fhctech-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
            List owner:   Rick@...
          Shortcut URL to Yahoo! group page:
            http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fhctech

          Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/




          Home Page: http://fhctech.org/
          Community email addresses:
            Post message: fhctech@yahoogroups.com
            Subscribe:    fhctech-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
            Unsubscribe:  fhctech-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
            List owner:   Rick@...
          Shortcut URL to Yahoo! group page:
            http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fhctech


          Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.

          ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
          This message may contain confidential information, and is intended only for the use of the individual(s) to whom it is addressed.


          ==============================================================================

        • helpdeskdan
          Um.... I think I have both on there. One was a Dos program that said Family Search/Temple Ready and the other program said Temple Ready. (it s a new library
          Message 4 of 10 , Jun 12, 2002
          • 0 Attachment
            Um.... I think I have both on there. One was a Dos program that
            said Family Search/Temple Ready and the other program said
            Temple Ready. (it's a new library - they are not quite sure about
            the programs yet) I looked at one... looked at the other, and I
            could not figure out if Temple Ready and Family Search were
            two different programs or what. (This is what I get for never
            doing my Geneology) So, I put them both on, which was quicker.

            So, if they don't need that stupid Dos program they are using,
            can I delete Family Search/Temple Ready and only use ALL
            windows programs? As you describe? And they would never
            need GedCom files for anything?

            Thanks guys,
            -Dan

            --- In fhctech@y..., "Larry Lords" <LordsLL@L...> wrote:
            > When you say TempleReady I am assuming that you are
            talking TempleReady for DOS. If your patrons are going to use
            TempleReady for Windows they should not be creating a
            GEDCOM file. The PAF should be read directly by TRW. If this is
            done, ordinance dates can be placed into the PAF file.
          • Jerry Brasier
            I would recommend that you leave both on your machine(s). We occasionally get a patron who just needs to do one or two names and can enter them directly into
            Message 5 of 10 , Jun 12, 2002
            • 0 Attachment
              I would recommend that you leave both on your
              machine(s). We occasionally get a patron who just
              needs to do one or two names and can enter them
              directly into the old DOS version, whereas you can't
              with the Windows version.

              Jerry Brasier
              Scottsdale North Stake FHC

              --- helpdeskdan <dan.schmidt@...> wrote:
              > Um.... I think I have both on there. One was a Dos
              > program that
              > said Family Search/Temple Ready and the other
              > program said
              > Temple Ready. (it's a new library - they are not
              > quite sure about
              > the programs yet) I looked at one... looked at the
              > other, and I
              > could not figure out if Temple Ready and Family
              > Search were
              > two different programs or what. (This is what I get
              > for never
              > doing my Geneology) So, I put them both on, which
              > was quicker.
              >
              > So, if they don't need that stupid Dos program they
              > are using,
              > can I delete Family Search/Temple Ready and only use
              > ALL
              > windows programs? As you describe? And they would
              > never
              > need GedCom files for anything?
              >
              > Thanks guys,
              > -Dan
              >
              > --- In fhctech@y..., "Larry Lords" <LordsLL@L...>
              > wrote:
              > > When you say TempleReady I am assuming that you
              > are
              > talking TempleReady for DOS. If your patrons are
              > going to use
              > TempleReady for Windows they should not be creating
              > a
              > GEDCOM file. The PAF should be read directly by
              > TRW. If this is
              > done, ordinance dates can be placed into the PAF
              > file.
              >
              >
              >


              __________________________________________________
              Do You Yahoo!?
              Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup
              http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com
            • helpdeskdan
              Really - it doesn t work - it says Cannot export to the same drive. You have to do it on C, and then move it over to your A. Very annoying. ... program will
              Message 6 of 10 , Jun 12, 2002
              • 0 Attachment
                Really - it doesn't work - it says "Cannot export to the same
                drive." You have to do it on C, and then move it over to your A.
                Very annoying.

                --- In fhctech@y..., "Yahoo" <greatera@y...> wrote:
                > As long as there is enough room on the A drive, the paf
                program will export the temple ready gedcom file to the A drive.
                This should not be a problem.
              • jdege2820@aol.com
                It seems a shame that it is such an inconvenience for so many to help patrons prepare names for the temple. 1. If the GEDCOM is on the A drive you can have
                Message 7 of 10 , Jun 13, 2002
                • 0 Attachment
                  It seems a shame that it is such an 'inconvenience' for so many to help
                  patrons prepare names for the temple.
                  1. If the GEDCOM is on the A drive you can have the program read that file,
                  with either version of TR, and put the submission back on the same disk and
                  never 'contaminate' your C drive.
                  2. Certainly if the PAF file is on the A drive you will have to move it to
                  the C drive, which we do as necessary at our library, and just delete these
                  files from the C drive at the end of the day.
                  3. Some patrons PAF files are too big to have the file on one floppy then you
                  need the GEDCOM or a .zip or a .bak to restore to your C drive. The temple
                  file can then be prepared from that. If the file is that big it is
                  preferable that they already make the selection into a GEDCOM at home.
                  4. If patrons have their original PAF on a computer at home many don't know
                  how to save the original file to a disk, but they can do a back up or GEDCOM.
                  5. Some patrons want to just keep their original PAF file on a floppy and we
                  really discourage that because of the danger of losing the file if the floppy
                  gets an error on it.
                  6. The advantage of using an original PAF is that ordinances found can be
                  entered directly back on the PAF, but you have to have more memory than most
                  of our original PCs had to be able to do this.
                  7. Finally the .OUP file TRW produces cannot be used with PAF but if you
                  have been introduced to PAF PAL that little utility will do the job.
                  Jean.
                • Gary Templeman
                  OTOH, it doesn t take any longer to type the names directly into PAF 5 as it does into the old DOS version of TR. Then from the Tools menu, go directly into
                  Message 8 of 10 , Jul 1, 2002
                  • 0 Attachment
                    OTOH, it doesn't take any longer to type the names directly into PAF 5 as it does into the old DOS version of TR.  Then from the Tools menu, go directly into TRWIN.  One good thing about TRWIN is that it is much more picky on how dates and places are typed.  I know it is a minor frustration for those who are used to putting in the abreviation for county or are using other non-standard formats.  But if all the red errors are corrected the resulting submission is a lot cleaner and the records will be of much better use to other researchers in the future.  TR DOS lets a lot more "junk" slip through.
                     
                    Gary Templeman
                     
                    ----- Original Message -----
                    Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 10:58 AM
                    Subject: Re: [fhctech] Re: export from Paf

                    I would recommend that you leave both on your
                    machine(s).  We occasionally get a patron who just
                    needs to do one or two names and can enter them
                    directly into the old DOS version, whereas you can't
                    with the Windows version.

                    Jerry Brasier
                    Scottsdale North Stake FHC

                    --- helpdeskdan <dan.schmidt@...> wrote:
                    > Um.... I think I have both on there.  One was a Dos
                    > program that
                    > said Family Search/Temple Ready and the other
                    > program said
                    > Temple Ready.  (it's a new library - they are not
                    > quite sure about
                    > the programs yet)  I looked at one... looked at the
                    > other, and I
                    > could not  figure out if Temple Ready and Family
                    > Search were
                    > two different programs or what.  (This is what I get
                    > for never
                    > doing my Geneology)  So, I put them both on, which
                    > was quicker.
                    >
                    > So, if they don't need that stupid Dos program they
                    > are using,
                    > can I delete Family Search/Temple Ready and only use
                    > ALL
                    > windows programs?  As you describe?  And they would
                    > never
                    > need GedCom files for anything?
                    >
                    > Thanks guys,
                    > -Dan
                    >
                    > --- In fhctech@y..., "Larry Lords" <LordsLL@L...>
                    > wrote:
                    > > When you say TempleReady I am assuming that you
                    > are
                    > talking TempleReady for DOS.  If your patrons are
                    > going to use
                    > TempleReady for Windows they should not be creating
                    > a
                    > GEDCOM file.  The PAF should be read directly by
                    > TRW.  If this is
                    > done, ordinance dates can be placed into the PAF
                    > file.
                    >
                    >
                    >


                    __________________________________________________
                    Do You Yahoo!?
                    Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup
                    http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com

                    Home Page: http://fhctech.org/
                    Community email addresses:
                      Post message: fhctech@yahoogroups.com
                      Subscribe:    fhctech-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
                      Unsubscribe:  fhctech-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
                      List owner:   Rick@...
                    Shortcut URL to Yahoo! group page:
                      http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fhctech


                    Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
                  Your message has been successfully submitted and would be delivered to recipients shortly.