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  • Arthur Lee
    Dear Rick and List I tried to phone Rick this evening, but I got a message saying that the number I dialed was incorrect so I am writing this letter. Our
    Message 1 of 11 , Mar 2, 2000
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      Dear Rick and List

      I tried to phone Rick this evening, but I got a message saying that the
      number I dialed was incorrect so I am writing this letter. Our director
      presented our proposal for a network to the stake presidency and high
      council of the stake that advises our Family History Center. The Stake
      Presidency was very favorable, and turned it over to the stake clerk to
      look into because he is in the computer business. He advised them that we
      would not be able to use the 486 computers as part of a network.

      I previously sent a letter to the FHC Tech list stating that we had three
      pentiums (two of the Dell Pentium 2 that the church is sending out to the
      stakes right now and one Pentium 1 (75 mhz) as well as 4 - 486 computers.
      I was advised that bigger hard drives for the two Dells would be necessary
      and that they could act as the servers and there wouldn't need to be
      changes in any of the other computers (except for cables, cards, etc.).
      Because our Stake Clerk is a "computer specialist" the Stake Presidency of
      course are inclined to take his advice.

      You previously sent us estimated costs including larger hard drives for two
      Pentium II Dells and using our 486 computers. We presented them, adjusting
      the estimated costs for Canadian dollars. It looks as if the network won't
      be approved because we have no way of purchasing four Pentiums (or even one
      more for that matter). I sure would like some help, if possible, to help
      us convince our Stake Clerk that it would be possible to have a network in
      our center. I hope I didn't misunderstand about being able to use the
      486's. I am pretty sure that other centers have set up networks under
      similar situations. What can we say or do? We need some advice.
      Carol Lee
      Calgary
    • Louis Puster
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      • pcombes@mindspring.com
        Carol Lee, I set up a BNC network using a Pentium 233 as a dedicated server with 64 megs of ram running Windows 98. Each of the workstations is a 486 DX2-66
        Message 3 of 11 , Mar 3, 2000
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          Carol Lee,

          I set up a BNC network using a Pentium 233 as a dedicated server with 64
          megs of ram running Windows 98. Each of the workstations is a 486 DX2-66
          with 20 megs of ram running Windows 95B. Temple Ready takes about 10-15
          seconds. (you know how much CD swapping that used to take)

          I'm afraid the person who is advising you has been listening to too many
          sales people who want to get his money. Make the network a single purpose
          thing and get rid of all the extra software junk and it will fly.

          Obviously higher powered Pentiums all around will help. It could get a
          typical search down from three seconds to maybe two and a half. Not worth
          the expense involved. The limiting speed factor is the length of time it
          takes to shove the data down the wire, not the speed of the processors.

          If you use 486's as workstations, make sure they are DX2-66's not SX
          something and you have enough memory so that Windows doesn't choke. I
          recommend at least 0 megs.

          For what it's worth................Pete
          -----Original Message-----
          From: Arthur Lee <arthur_lee@...>
          To: fhctech <fhctech@onelist.com>; Rick Klemetson <klem@...>
          Date: Thursday, March 02, 2000 8:59 PM
          Subject: [fhctech] FHC Network


          >From: Arthur Lee <arthur_lee@...>
          >
          >Dear Rick and List
          >
          >I tried to phone Rick this evening, but I got a message saying that the
          >number I dialed was incorrect so I am writing this letter. Our director
          >presented our proposal for a network to the stake presidency and high
          >council of the stake that advises our Family History Center. The Stake
          >Presidency was very favorable, and turned it over to the stake clerk to
          >look into because he is in the computer business. He advised them that we
          >would not be able to use the 486 computers as part of a network.
          >
          >I previously sent a letter to the FHC Tech list stating that we had three
          >pentiums (two of the Dell Pentium 2 that the church is sending out to the
          >stakes right now and one Pentium 1 (75 mhz) as well as 4 - 486 computers.
          >I was advised that bigger hard drives for the two Dells would be necessary
          >and that they could act as the servers and there wouldn't need to be
          >changes in any of the other computers (except for cables, cards, etc.).
          >Because our Stake Clerk is a "computer specialist" the Stake Presidency of
          >course are inclined to take his advice.
          >
          >You previously sent us estimated costs including larger hard drives for two
          >Pentium II Dells and using our 486 computers. We presented them, adjusting
          >the estimated costs for Canadian dollars. It looks as if the network won't
          >be approved because we have no way of purchasing four Pentiums (or even one
          >more for that matter). I sure would like some help, if possible, to help
          >us convince our Stake Clerk that it would be possible to have a network in
          >our center. I hope I didn't misunderstand about being able to use the
          >486's. I am pretty sure that other centers have set up networks under
          >similar situations. What can we say or do? We need some advice.
          >Carol Lee
          >Calgary
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        • Rick Klemetson
          Arthur, Sorry to switch phones. My new number is (801) 636-5700. My work offered to provide a cell phone for free. 1. The minimum they should do is install a
          Message 4 of 11 , Mar 3, 2000
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            Arthur,

            Sorry to switch phones. My new number is (801) 636-5700. My work offered
            to provide a cell phone for free.

            1. The minimum they should do is install a single 40 Gig drive in a single
            computer � cost under $300 USD If just one computer has the hard drive with
            the CD�s � it is a great tool and show the real speed advantage.
            2. Next, the cost to network the Pentiums � requires a 10 Mbit concentrator
            ($35 to $50) and a network card for the three computers ($11 to $20 each).
            This is as far as I got my FHC for the first year. I just got approval to
            get a second 40 Gig drive and network cards for the 486�s. Like Louis Puster
            said, I would just run 10 Mbit (even though your cards may be 10/100 Mbit).
            3. So for under $400, you have a small network with the three computers.
            This doesn�t deal with the 486�s yet, but the ones that are hooked up will
            have an incredible speed advantage. The 486�s are still there when enough
            people are already using the Pentiums.
            4. If the 486�s can run windows, that�s great, if not the 486�s can be run
            from DOS and use the network using the instructions on the web page �
            http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~fhcnet/fhctech/dosclient.html#dos - See snip
            below

            Please have the stake clerk contact me and I�ll be glad to answer any
            questions. So that he feels more comfortable, tell him that I�ve being
            doing on site computer service for 15 years, mostly with small networks. I
            don�t know everything, but I�m good at finding the answers. Also, you have
            the web page and mailing list to help provide the support needed with any
            questions.

            <snip>
            Get the DOS Workgroup Client from ftp.microsoft.com, in directory
            /bussys/clients/MSCLIENT - (this path works fine -
            gwc). Get both files. They're self-extractors. Extract all the files (to a
            temporary folder-gwc), run SETUP. Now your DOS
            machine is a client on your Windows P-t-P (peer-to-peer) network.

            (This is now on our site - Click Here for WG1049.EXE)
            http://klemetson.com/wg1049.exe

            Go back to ftp.microsoft.com, and get WG1049.EXE, from /softlib/mslfiles.
            It's another self-extractor. Run it in your /NET
            directory, and let it overwrite whatever it wants to. (This enables your DOS
            machine to share its files -- az) - (I don't see this as
            necessary in our situation...gwc)

            Make the obvious changes to /NET/SYSTEM.INI. Some fine tuning is required
            (like "Computer Name"; "Network Name";
            IO Base and Interrupt). And make sure you set the 'filesharing' and
            'printsharing' "YES". Also I've always used NO passwords
            (simpler this way).

            Now you have a DOS based client/server that can work on a Win95 network.
            <snip>

            Rick Klemetson
            Rick@...
            (801) 636-5700 Cell

            -----Original Message-----
            From: Arthur Lee [mailto:ARTHUR_LEE@...]
            Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2000 9:58 PM
            To: fhctech; Rick Klemetson
            Subject: [fhctech] FHC Network

            From: Arthur Lee <arthur_lee@...>

            Dear Rick and List

            I tried to phone Rick this evening, but I got a message saying that the
            number I dialed was incorrect so I am writing this letter. Our director
            presented our proposal for a network to the stake presidency and high
            council of the stake that advises our Family History Center. The Stake
            Presidency was very favorable, and turned it over to the stake clerk to
            look into because he is in the computer business. He advised them that we
            would not be able to use the 486 computers as part of a network.

            I previously sent a letter to the FHC Tech list stating that we had three
            pentiums (two of the Dell Pentium 2 that the church is sending out to the
            stakes right now and one Pentium 1 (75 mhz) as well as 4 - 486 computers.
            I was advised that bigger hard drives for the two Dells would be necessary
            and that they could act as the servers and there wouldn't need to be
            changes in any of the other computers (except for cables, cards, etc.).
            Because our Stake Clerk is a "computer specialist" the Stake Presidency of
            course are inclined to take his advice.

            You previously sent us estimated costs including larger hard drives for two
            Pentium II Dells and using our 486 computers. We presented them, adjusting
            the estimated costs for Canadian dollars. It looks as if the network won't
            be approved because we have no way of purchasing four Pentiums (or even one
            more for that matter). I sure would like some help, if possible, to help
            us convince our Stake Clerk that it would be possible to have a network in
            our center. I hope I didn't misunderstand about being able to use the
            486's. I am pretty sure that other centers have set up networks under
            similar situations. What can we say or do? We need some advice.
            Carol Lee
            Calgary
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          • Herb Lewis
            ... We are running a setup in our ward building with one of the systems a 486 DX2 66Mhz with only 4 or 8 MB memory (I don t recall exactly but I think it is 4)
            Message 5 of 11 , Mar 3, 2000
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              Arthur Lee wrote:
              >
              >
              > You previously sent us estimated costs including larger hard drives for two
              > Pentium II Dells and using our 486 computers. We presented them, adjusting
              > the estimated costs for Canadian dollars. It looks as if the network won't
              > be approved because we have no way of purchasing four Pentiums (or even one
              > more for that matter). I sure would like some help, if possible, to help
              > us convince our Stake Clerk that it would be possible to have a network in
              > our center. I hope I didn't misunderstand about being able to use the
              > 486's. I am pretty sure that other centers have set up networks under
              > similar situations. What can we say or do? We need some advice.
              > Carol Lee
              > Calgary
              >
              We are running a setup in our ward building with one of the systems
              a 486 DX2 66Mhz with only 4 or 8 MB memory (I don't recall exactly
              but I think it is 4) and a 200 MB disk. It works fine. The other
              systems are various flavors of Pentium the slowest being 100MHz.

              Your "computer specialist" is being overly conservative It DOES work
              with fairly low-powered 486 machines. The Family Search programs are
              not all that CPU intensive. It is still MUCH faster on the network
              than it ever was on local CDROM even on the slower machines.

              --
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              Networking Engineer 2011 N Shoreline Blvd
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            • Rick P
              Arthur It all depends upon the mix of your workload. There would be absolutely no problem connecting all 8 computers together as a network including the 486s.
              Message 6 of 11 , Mar 3, 2000
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                Arthur

                It all depends upon the mix of your workload. There would be absolutely no
                problem connecting all 8 computers together as a network including the 486s.
                You don't even need extra memory on the 486s if they run DOS. The network is
                a bit easier to set up if they have a bit of memory and can run Windows (4MB
                for 3.11, 8 for 95 and forget 98!) This should be a peer to peer network
                with no central server. One of the Pentiums could hold all of the IGI and
                related CDs on a large hard disk and all of the computers could access it.
                That will work perfectly satisfactorily. In that sense your computer expert
                is wrong.

                The 486 computers may also support Windows if they have sufficient memory
                and are of the faster varieties. However they probably won't support the
                newer Windows based Resource Viewer based programs such as the 1881 UK
                census and others. These need Pentiums and will refuse to work on lesser
                machines. This may have been the thinking of your computer expert and in
                that sense he is right.

                So it all depends on your workload. You can connect all the machines and
                use three of them for the Resource viewers and the others for the Family
                Search/Ancestral File programs. Then upgrade to match your changing
                workload.

                This is not dissinilar to the setup we run although our scale is even
                smaller.

                I would guess you could network your setup for around $100 plus anything
                you might need for larger disks.

                RickP



                -----Original Message-----
                From: Arthur Lee [mailto:ARTHUR_LEE@...]
                Sent: 03 March 2000 04:58
                To: fhctech; Rick Klemetson
                Subject: [fhctech] FHC Network


                From: Arthur Lee <arthur_lee@...>

                Dear Rick and List

                I tried to phone Rick this evening, but I got a message saying that the
                number I dialed was incorrect so I am writing this letter. Our director
                presented our proposal for a network to the stake presidency and high
                council of the stake that advises our Family History Center. The Stake
                Presidency was very favorable, and turned it over to the stake clerk to
                look into because he is in the computer business. He advised them that we
                would not be able to use the 486 computers as part of a network.

                I previously sent a letter to the FHC Tech list stating that we had three
                pentiums (two of the Dell Pentium 2 that the church is sending out to the
                stakes right now and one Pentium 1 (75 mhz) as well as 4 - 486 computers.
                I was advised that bigger hard drives for the two Dells would be necessary
                and that they could act as the servers and there wouldn't need to be
                changes in any of the other computers (except for cables, cards, etc.).
                Because our Stake Clerk is a "computer specialist" the Stake Presidency of
                course are inclined to take his advice.

                You previously sent us estimated costs including larger hard drives for two
                Pentium II Dells and using our 486 computers. We presented them, adjusting
                the estimated costs for Canadian dollars. It looks as if the network won't
                be approved because we have no way of purchasing four Pentiums (or even one
                more for that matter). I sure would like some help, if possible, to help
                us convince our Stake Clerk that it would be possible to have a network in
                our center. I hope I didn't misunderstand about being able to use the
                486's. I am pretty sure that other centers have set up networks under
                similar situations. What can we say or do? We need some advice.
                Carol Lee
                Calgary

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              • Michael Griffith
                The Dell computers in the Lincoln FHC have the 1999 image on them. Will the image, login for patron etc... work when connected to the network that I will
                Message 7 of 11 , Aug 21, 2001
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                  The Dell computers in the Lincoln FHC have the 1999 image on them. Will the image, login for patron etc... work when connected to the network that I will hopefully build?
                   
                  I am waiting for approval from the Stake Presidency.  We have some funding and are looking into pricing all the time. Hopefully the stake will approve the network. 
                   
                  Thanks for your help.  ...mike...
                • Michael Griffith
                  Does anyone know if the Dell image will work properly on a network? I am wondering because I need to plan out if we will need more OS licenses and full
                  Message 8 of 11 , Aug 24, 2001
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                    Does anyone know if the Dell image will work properly on a network?  I am wondering because I need to plan out if we will need more OS licenses and full versions with all the trimmings.  I checked the versions and the version is Win95B for the image.   I did not see any post for an answer for this question so I am restating it. 
                     
                    What I hope is that the network will work on them as they are so that the patron still has limited access to the workstation and will only be able to access the programs give to them to access.
                     
                    Thanks ...mike...
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                    Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 4:36 PM
                    Subject: [fhctech] FHC Network

                    The Dell computers in the Lincoln FHC have the 1999 image on them. Will the image, login for patron etc... work when connected to the network that I will hopefully build?
                     
                    I am waiting for approval from the Stake Presidency.  We have some funding and are looking into pricing all the time. Hopefully the stake will approve the network. 
                     
                    Thanks for your help.  ...mike...


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                  • Rick Klemetson
                    We have three Dell’s with 95B. They run all the programs just fine on the network. Rick Klemetson ... From: Michael Griffith [mailto:mgriffith@neb.rr.com]
                    Message 9 of 11 , Aug 25, 2001
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                      We have three Dell’s with 95B. They run all the programs just fine on the network.

                      Rick Klemetson

                       

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                      Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 11:54 PM
                      To: fhctech@yahoogroups.com
                      Subject: Re: [fhctech] FHC Network

                       

                      Does anyone know if the Dell image will work properly on a network?  I am wondering because I need to plan out if we will need more OS licenses and full versions with all the trimmings.  I checked the versions and the version is Win95B for the image.   I did not see any post for an answer for this question so I am restating it. 

                       

                      What I hope is that the network will work on them as they are so that the patron still has limited access to the workstation and will only be able to access the programs give to them to access.

                       

                      Thanks ...mike...

                      ----- Original Message -----

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                      To: FHCtech

                      Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 4:36 PM

                      Subject: [fhctech] FHC Network

                       

                      The Dell computers in the Lincoln FHC have the 1999 image on them. Will the image, login for patron etc... work when connected to the network that I will hopefully build?

                       

                      I am waiting for approval from the Stake Presidency.  We have some funding and are looking into pricing all the time. Hopefully the stake will approve the network. 

                       

                      Thanks for your help.  ...mike...



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                    • Louis Puster
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                      • Gary Sherwood
                        I have run a 5 system network for about 1 year. One of the computers uses the Dell image. ... From: Michael Griffith To: fhctech@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday,
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                          I have run a 5 system network for about 1 year.  One of the computers uses the Dell image.
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                          Subject: Re: [fhctech] FHC Network

                          Does anyone know if the Dell image will work properly on a network?  I am wondering because I need to plan out if we will need more OS licenses and full versions with all the trimmings.  I checked the versions and the version is Win95B for the image.   I did not see any post for an answer for this question so I am restating it. 
                           
                          What I hope is that the network will work on them as they are so that the patron still has limited access to the workstation and will only be able to access the programs give to them to access.
                           
                          Thanks ...mike...
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                          Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 4:36 PM
                          Subject: [fhctech] FHC Network

                          The Dell computers in the Lincoln FHC have the 1999 image on them. Will the image, login for patron etc... work when connected to the network that I will hopefully build?
                           
                          I am waiting for approval from the Stake Presidency.  We have some funding and are looking into pricing all the time. Hopefully the stake will approve the network. 
                           
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