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  • dorgill2003
    I am a new computer specialist here at the Tooele Family History Center. Our drives with ALL applications and data was lost. The cost to recover all this
    Message 1 of 9 , Jul 5 5:41 PM
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      I am a new computer specialist here at the Tooele Family History
      Center. Our drives with ALL applications and data was lost. The cost
      to recover all this data exceeds $500.

      I am trying to install what I can to get up and running. Our
      priorities are in this order:

      1 - Templeready
      2 - Inventory Manager

      I have Inventory Manager figured out but I am trying to install all
      Templeready/IGI records. Are there any up to date instructions? Seems
      like everything on this site is from the Windows 98 days. Can I just
      copy all the CDs to one directory or how does this work?
    • Gary Templeman
      If you are in a hurry, you don t *need* to copy the IGI and Addendum CDs at all. The program will still work just fine off of the CD drive. If you do need to
      Message 2 of 9 , Jul 5 10:49 PM
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        If you are in a hurry, you don't *need* to copy the IGI and Addendum CDs at
        all. The program will still work just fine off of the CD drive.

        If you do need to get it networked, I create one folder for the IGI data
        files and one for the Addendum. Those folders are shared on the server and
        the clients are mapped to the shares (although TRW can use UNC paths, DOS
        FamilySearch needs mapped drives).

        Gary Templeman


        ----- Original Message -----
        From: "dorgill2003" <dorgill2003@...>
        To: <fhctech@yahoogroups.com>
        Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 5:41 PM
        Subject: [fhctech] Need to install all IGI CDs - DIsaster


        >I am a new computer specialist here at the Tooele Family History
        > Center. Our drives with ALL applications and data was lost. The cost
        > to recover all this data exceeds $500.
        >
        > I am trying to install what I can to get up and running. Our
        > priorities are in this order:
        >
        > 1 - Templeready
        > 2 - Inventory Manager
        >
        > I have Inventory Manager figured out but I am trying to install all
        > Templeready/IGI records. Are there any up to date instructions? Seems
        > like everything on this site is from the Windows 98 days. Can I just
        > copy all the CDs to one directory or how does this work?
        >
        >
        >
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      • jkeagle13@aol.com
        Hello, You mentioned that your drives failed, and that sort of strikes me as peculiar. It could have been a slip of the fingers, but maybe could you explain
        Message 3 of 9 , Jul 5 11:16 PM
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          Hello,
           
          You mentioned that your "drives" failed, and that sort of strikes me as peculiar. It could have been a slip of the fingers, but maybe could you explain in depth the exact nature of the problem? I am curious as to how multiple drives would fail at identical times resulting in a situation of complete data loss. Was it a physical failure, or simply a data / boot table corruption? If it was physical you are right, not worth fixing, but if it was anything other than that the fix shouldn't be tremendously hard. In the end it may just be worth reformatting I guess and reinstalling it, but having been a FHC computer technician myself who sat there watching paint dry while those CDs copy, anyway, I sympathize and if it were me would try everything possible to fix it before simply throwing hands up.
           
          Anyway, I guess I wasn't really that helpful, and if you are in a rush it might not be worth it, but those are my two cents.
           
          Joseph Irvine
          Mesa, AZ
           
          ****************************************************************************
          In a message dated 7/5/2007 11:01:20 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, gtempleman1@... writes:

          If you are in a hurry, you don't *need* to copy the IGI and Addendum CDs at
          all. The program will still work just fine off of the CD drive.

          If you do need to get it networked, I create one folder for the IGI data
          files and one for the Addendum. Those folders are shared on the server and
          the clients are mapped to the shares (although TRW can use UNC paths, DOS
          FamilySearch needs mapped drives).

          Gary Templeman

          ----- Original Message -----
          From: "dorgill2003" <dorgill2003@ yahoo.com>
          To: <fhctech@yahoogroups .com>
          Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 5:41 PM
          Subject: [fhctech] Need to install all IGI CDs - DIsaster

          >I am a new computer specialist here at the Tooele Family History
          > Center. Our drives with ALL applications and data was lost. The cost
          > to recover all this data exceeds $500.
          >
          > I am trying to install what I can to get up and running. Our
          > priorities are in this order:
          >
          > 1 - Templeready
          > 2 - Inventory Manager
          >
          > I have Inventory Manager figured out but I am trying to install all
          > Templeready/ IGI records. Are there any up to date instructions? Seems
          > like everything on this site is from the Windows 98 days. Can I just
          > copy all the CDs to one directory or how does this work?
          >
          >
          >
          > Home Page: http://fhctech. org/
          > Community email addresses:
          > Post message: fhctech@yahoogroups .com
          > Subscribe: fhctech-subscribe@ yahoogroups. com
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          > List owner: Rick@Klemetson. com
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          >

           




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        • Dana Repouille
          I agree. Most computer crashes are not physical drive defects. Most crashed hard drives sent to the factory have zero problems. I copied the IGI and
          Message 4 of 9 , Jul 6 4:43 AM
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            I agree. Most computer "crashes" are not physical drive defects. Most
            "crashed" hard drives sent to the factory have zero problems.

            I copied the IGI and Addendum CDs to a hard drive ONCE. Then I made a backup
            on an external USB hard drive, so I never have to do that again.

            Dana in Omaha

            -----Original Message-----
            From: fhctech@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fhctech@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
            jkeagle13@...

            In the end it may just be worth reformatting I guess and reinstalling it,
            but having been a FHC computer technician myself who sat there watching
            paint dry while those CDs copy, anyway, I sympathize and if it were me would
            try everything possible to fix it before simply throwing hands up.

            Anyway, I guess I wasn't really that helpful, and if you are in a rush it
            might not be worth it, but those are my two cents.

            Joseph Irvine
            Mesa, AZ
          • huntrohr
            ... SL support. You also have to put them on a server setup (80 gig or better) with the other computers networked to it. My computer tech (who is great) set
            Message 5 of 9 , Jul 6 8:23 AM
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              --- In fhctech@yahoogroups.com, "dorgill2003" <dorgill2003@...> wrote:
              >
              > You can install all the igi cd's. However you need instructions from
              SL support. You also have to put them on a server setup (80 gig or
              better) with the other computers networked to it. My computer tech
              (who is great) set this all up for me. The only thing that is
              necessary is that if the server has to be turned off for any reason all
              the other computers need to be restarted after the server comes up to
              the desktop. This way that connection can be reestablished. It's just
              like downtown, SL that is.
              >
              > I have Inventory Manager figured out but I am trying to install all
              > Templeready/IGI records. Are there any up to date instructions?
              Seems
              > like everything on this site is from the Windows 98 days. Can I just
              > copy all the CDs to one directory or how does this work?
              >
            • Perry E Shumway
              If you would like to send me a hard drive with 60 gig capacity I will copy all of the data for the following to your drive and send it back to you. Addendum s
              Message 6 of 9 , Jul 6 6:31 PM
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                If you would like to send me a hard drive with 60 gig capacity I will copy all of the data for the following to your drive and send it back to you.

                Addendum's
                Ancestral File
                IGI
                Library Catalog
                Mil. Index
                Scottish Records
                Social Security

                I am assuming that you already own the CD's. This will save you hours of copying the CDs to the drive.

                If you are interested, let me know.
                Perry Shumway
                Brigham City, UT
                ----- Original Message ----
                From: dorgill2003 <dorgill2003@...>
                To: fhctech@yahoogroups.com
                Sent: Thursday, July 5, 2007 6:41:10 PM
                Subject: [fhctech] Need to install all IGI CDs - DIsaster

                I am a new computer specialist here at the Tooele Family History
                Center. Our drives with ALL applications and data was lost. The cost
                to recover all this data exceeds $500.

                I am trying to install what I can to get up and running. Our
                priorities are in this order:

                1 - Templeready
                2 - Inventory Manager

                I have Inventory Manager figured out but I am trying to install all
                Templeready/ IGI records. Are there any up to date instructions? Seems
                like everything on this site is from the Windows 98 days. Can I just
                copy all the CDs to one directory or how does this work?




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              • dorgill2003
                We had mirrored drives on the server. When we went to upgrade the server, I broke the mirror and all the data was corrupt. I took it to a data recovery
                Message 7 of 9 , Jul 10 12:45 PM
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                  We had mirrored drives on the server. When we went to upgrade the
                  server, I broke the mirror and all the data was corrupt. I took it to
                  a data recovery center and they want $400 to recover it. The Church
                  won't pay...

                  Anyway, I need configuration for clients AND the server. I really
                  don't have time to try to get everything up and running searching
                  through a bunch of posts and a website. I don't mean to sound so
                  negative but my time is really limited.

                  Right now, we are looking to get Familysearch DOS and Templeready going.

                  Also, side question, we lost our Inventory Manager database also. The
                  last good backup was from January. Does the church keep the info on
                  their side or how would be the best way to get all that data back?


                  --- In fhctech@yahoogroups.com, jkeagle13@... wrote:
                  >
                  >
                  > Hello,
                  >
                  > You mentioned that your "drives" failed, and that sort of strikes me
                  as
                  > peculiar. It could have been a slip of the fingers, but maybe could
                  you explain
                  > in depth the exact nature of the problem? I am curious as to how
                  multiple
                  > drives would fail at identical times resulting in a situation of
                  complete data
                  > loss. Was it a physical failure, or simply a data / boot table
                  corruption? If it
                  > was physical you are right, not worth fixing, but if it was
                  anything other
                  > than that the fix shouldn't be tremendously hard. In the end it may
                  just be
                  > worth reformatting I guess and reinstalling it, but having been a
                  FHC computer
                  > technician myself who sat there watching paint dry while those CDs
                  copy,
                  > anyway, I sympathize and if it were me would try everything possible
                  to fix it
                  > before simply throwing hands up.
                  >
                  > Anyway, I guess I wasn't really that helpful, and if you are in a
                  rush it
                  > might not be worth it, but those are my two cents.
                  >
                  > Joseph Irvine
                  > Mesa, AZ
                  >
                  >
                  ****************************************************************************
                  > In a message dated 7/5/2007 11:01:20 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
                  > gtempleman1@... writes:
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > If you are in a hurry, you don't *need* to copy the IGI and Addendum
                  CDs at
                  > all. The program will still work just fine off of the CD drive.
                  >
                  > If you do need to get it networked, I create one folder for the IGI
                  data
                  > files and one for the Addendum. Those folders are shared on the
                  server and
                  > the clients are mapped to the shares (although TRW can use UNC
                  paths, DOS
                  > FamilySearch needs mapped drives).
                  >
                  > Gary Templeman
                  >
                  > ----- Original Message -----
                  > From: "dorgill2003" <_dorgill2003@dorgill20_ (mailto:dorgill2003@...) >
                  > To: <_fhctech@yahoogroupsfhct_ (mailto:fhctech@yahoogroups.com) >
                  > Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 5:41 PM
                  > Subject: [fhctech] Need to install all IGI CDs - DIsaster
                  >
                  > >I am a new computer specialist here at the Tooele Family History
                  > > Center. Our drives with ALL applications and data was lost. The cost
                  > > to recover all this data exceeds $500.
                  > >
                  > > I am trying to install what I can to get up and running. Our
                  > > priorities are in this order:
                  > >
                  > > 1 - Templeready
                  > > 2 - Inventory Manager
                  > >
                  > > I have Inventory Manager figured out but I am trying to install all
                  > > Templeready/ Templeready/<WBR>IGI records. Are there any up to date i
                  > > like everything on this site is from the Windows 98 days. Can I just
                  > > copy all the CDs to one directory or how does this work?
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > Home Page: _http://fhctech.http_ (http://fhctech.org/)
                  > > Community email addresses:
                  > > Post message: _fhctech@yahoogroupsfhct_
                  (mailto:fhctech@yahoogroups.com)
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                • Sharon Huntwork
                  You need to put in Templeready.windows, not DOS. Regarding Inventory Manager, always back up every time you use it. Another program that is very valuable is
                  Message 8 of 9 , Jul 10 7:24 PM
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                    You need to put in Templeready.windows, not DOS.  Regarding Inventory Manager, always back up every time you use it.  Another program that is very valuable is PAFInsight.  It comes from ohanasoftware.com.  The IGI on the TR is only up to date as of Jan 2000.  PAFInsight can pick up ordinances from last week.  Duplication is a real time waster.
                    ----- Original Message -----
                    Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 12:45 PM
                    Subject: [fhctech] Re: Need to install all IGI CDs - DIsaster

                    We had mirrored drives on the server. When we went to upgrade the
                    server, I broke the mirror and all the data was corrupt. I took it to
                    a data recovery center and they want $400 to recover it. The Church
                    won't pay...

                    Anyway, I need configuration for clients AND the server. I really
                    don't have time to try to get everything up and running searching
                    through a bunch of posts and a website. I don't mean to sound so
                    negative but my time is really limited.

                    Right now, we are looking to get Familysearch DOS and Templeready going.

                    Also, side question, we lost our Inventory Manager database also. The
                    last good backup was from January. Does the church keep the info on
                    their side or how would be the best way to get all that data back?

                    --- In fhctech@yahoogroups .com, jkeagle13@.. . wrote:
                    >
                    >
                    > Hello,
                    >
                    > You mentioned that your "drives" failed, and that sort of strikes me
                    as
                    > peculiar. It could have been a slip of the fingers, but maybe could
                    you explain
                    > in depth the exact nature of the problem? I am curious as to how
                    multiple
                    > drives would fail at identical times resulting in a situation of
                    complete data
                    > loss. Was it a physical failure, or simply a data / boot table
                    corruption? If it
                    > was physical you are right, not worth fixing, but if it was
                    anything other
                    > than that the fix shouldn't be tremendously hard. In the end it may
                    just be
                    > worth reformatting I guess and reinstalling it, but having been a
                    FHC computer
                    > technician myself who sat there watching paint dry while those CDs
                    copy,
                    > anyway, I sympathize and if it were me would try everything possible
                    to fix it
                    > before simply throwing hands up.
                    >
                    > Anyway, I guess I wasn't really that helpful, and if you are in a
                    rush it
                    > might not be worth it, but those are my two cents.
                    >
                    > Joseph Irvine
                    > Mesa, AZ
                    >
                    >
                    ************ ********* ********* ********* ********* ********* ********* ********* *
                    > In a message dated 7/5/2007 11:01:20 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
                    > gtempleman1@ ... writes:
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > If you are in a hurry, you don't *need* to copy the IGI and Addendum
                    CDs at
                    > all. The program will still work just fine off of the CD drive.
                    >
                    > If you do need to get it networked, I create one folder for the IGI
                    data
                    > files and one for the Addendum. Those folders are shared on the
                    server and
                    > the clients are mapped to the shares (although TRW can use UNC
                    paths, DOS
                    > FamilySearch needs mapped drives).
                    >
                    > Gary Templeman
                    >
                    > ----- Original Message -----
                    > From: "dorgill2003" <_dorgill2003@ dorgill20_ (mailto:dorgill2003 @...) >
                    > To: <_fhctech@yahoogrou psfhct_ (mailto:fhctech@yahoogroups .com) >
                    > Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 5:41 PM
                    > Subject: [fhctech] Need to install all IGI CDs - DIsaster
                    >
                    > >I am a new computer specialist here at the Tooele Family History
                    > > Center. Our drives with ALL applications and data was lost. The cost
                    > > to recover all this data exceeds $500.
                    > >
                    > > I am trying to install what I can to get up and running. Our
                    > > priorities are in this order:
                    > >
                    > > 1 - Templeready
                    > > 2 - Inventory Manager
                    > >
                    > > I have Inventory Manager figured out but I am trying to install all
                    > > Templeready/ Templeready/ <WBR>IGI records. Are there any up to date i
                    > > like everything on this site is from the Windows 98 days. Can I just
                    > > copy all the CDs to one directory or how does this work?
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > Home Page: _http://fhctech. http_ (http://fhctech. org/)
                    > > Community email addresses:
                    > > Post message: _fhctech@yahoogroup sfhct_
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                  • Gary Templeman
                    The clients should have already been mapped to the old server so you should not need to do anything to the clients as long as you name the new server the same
                    Message 9 of 9 , Jul 10 8:02 PM
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                      The clients should have already been mapped to the old server so you should
                      not need to do anything to the clients as long as you name the new server
                      the same name as the old one, other than confirm the mappings and that you
                      can browse the files on the server from the clients.

                      On the server you need to create a folder for the data files (I used folder
                      names of IGI, AD, AF, SCR, SSDI and MILINDX). The names your old server had
                      should be available by reading the old drive mappings off of a client. Make
                      sure the user name(s) for the clients are also users on the server. Share
                      the folders. Then it is simply a matter of time to copy the data files off
                      the CDs into the appropriate folders.

                      Confirm that FS is working, then install TRW. I strongly suggest you at
                      least scan over the info at
                      http://www.fhctech.org/fhc/applications/fsconfig.htm The time you spend
                      there will get paid back in avoiding troubleshooting.

                      Gary Templeman


                      ----- Original Message -----
                      From: "dorgill2003" <dorgill2003@...>
                      To: <fhctech@yahoogroups.com>
                      Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 12:45 PM
                      Subject: [fhctech] Re: Need to install all IGI CDs - DIsaster


                      > We had mirrored drives on the server. When we went to upgrade the
                      > server, I broke the mirror and all the data was corrupt. I took it to
                      > a data recovery center and they want $400 to recover it. The Church
                      > won't pay...
                      >
                      > Anyway, I need configuration for clients AND the server. I really
                      > don't have time to try to get everything up and running searching
                      > through a bunch of posts and a website. I don't mean to sound so
                      > negative but my time is really limited.
                      >
                      > Right now, we are looking to get Familysearch DOS and Templeready going.
                      >
                      > Also, side question, we lost our Inventory Manager database also. The
                      > last good backup was from January. Does the church keep the info on
                      > their side or how would be the best way to get all that data back?
                      >
                      >
                      > --- In fhctech@yahoogroups.com, jkeagle13@... wrote:
                      >>
                      >>
                      >> Hello,
                      >>
                      >> You mentioned that your "drives" failed, and that sort of strikes me
                      > as
                      >> peculiar. It could have been a slip of the fingers, but maybe could
                      > you explain
                      >> in depth the exact nature of the problem? I am curious as to how
                      > multiple
                      >> drives would fail at identical times resulting in a situation of
                      > complete data
                      >> loss. Was it a physical failure, or simply a data / boot table
                      > corruption? If it
                      >> was physical you are right, not worth fixing, but if it was
                      > anything other
                      >> than that the fix shouldn't be tremendously hard. In the end it may
                      > just be
                      >> worth reformatting I guess and reinstalling it, but having been a
                      > FHC computer
                      >> technician myself who sat there watching paint dry while those CDs
                      > copy,
                      >> anyway, I sympathize and if it were me would try everything possible
                      > to fix it
                      >> before simply throwing hands up.
                      >>
                      >> Anyway, I guess I wasn't really that helpful, and if you are in a
                      > rush it
                      >> might not be worth it, but those are my two cents.
                      >>
                      >> Joseph Irvine
                      >> Mesa, AZ
                      >>
                      >>
                      > ****************************************************************************
                      >> In a message dated 7/5/2007 11:01:20 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
                      >> gtempleman1@... writes:
                      >>
                      >>
                      >>
                      >>
                      >> If you are in a hurry, you don't *need* to copy the IGI and Addendum
                      > CDs at
                      >> all. The program will still work just fine off of the CD drive.
                      >>
                      >> If you do need to get it networked, I create one folder for the IGI
                      > data
                      >> files and one for the Addendum. Those folders are shared on the
                      > server and
                      >> the clients are mapped to the shares (although TRW can use UNC
                      > paths, DOS
                      >> FamilySearch needs mapped drives).
                      >>
                      >> Gary Templeman
                      >>
                      >> ----- Original Message -----
                      >> From: "dorgill2003" <_dorgill2003@dorgill20_ (mailto:dorgill2003@...) >
                      >> To: <_fhctech@yahoogroupsfhct_ (mailto:fhctech@yahoogroups.com) >
                      >> Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 5:41 PM
                      >> Subject: [fhctech] Need to install all IGI CDs - DIsaster
                      >>
                      >> >I am a new computer specialist here at the Tooele Family History
                      >> > Center. Our drives with ALL applications and data was lost. The cost
                      >> > to recover all this data exceeds $500.
                      >> >
                      >> > I am trying to install what I can to get up and running. Our
                      >> > priorities are in this order:
                      >> >
                      >> > 1 - Templeready
                      >> > 2 - Inventory Manager
                      >> >
                      >> > I have Inventory Manager figured out but I am trying to install all
                      >> > Templeready/ Templeready/<WBR>IGI records. Are there any up to date i
                      >> > like everything on this site is from the Windows 98 days. Can I just
                      >> > copy all the CDs to one directory or how does this work?
                      >> >
                      >> >
                      >> >
                      >> > Home Page: _http://fhctech.http_ (http://fhctech.org/)
                      >> > Community email addresses:
                      >> > Post message: _fhctech@yahoogroupsfhct_
                      > (mailto:fhctech@yahoogroups.com)
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                      >> > List owner: _Rick@..._ (mailto:Rick@...)
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                      >> > _http://groups.http://grohttp://groups_
                      >> (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fhctech)
                      >> > Yahoo! Groups Links
                      >> >
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                      >> >
                      >>
                      >>
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                      >>
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