Loading ...
Sorry, an error occurred while loading the content.
 

Re: [fhctech] Can the PRF server be used as a normal computer in the FHC?

Expand Messages
  • 124c41
    Gary what information is on the disk you cannot get from PRFMagnet? I get the submitter, pedigree, family and ect ... From: Gary Templeman To:
    Message 1 of 29 , Apr 15, 2007
      
      Gary what information is on the disk you cannot get from PRFMagnet?  I get the submitter, pedigree, family and ect
      ----- Original Message -----
      Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 8:25 AM
      Subject: Re: [fhctech] Can the PRF server be used as a normal computer in the FHC?

      

      Because the PRF online does not contain all the data that is available on the disks.
       
      Gary Templeman
       
      ----- Original Message -----
      Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 8:08 PM
      Subject: Re: [fhctech] Can the PRF server be used as a normal computer in the FHC?

      Why spend all that money when the prf file is on line and can be accessed with a program from ohana software called PRFmagnet which is free to the family history center???

      On 4/14/07, Bob Hegerich <BobH36@...> wrote:

      Hi Merlin:
       
      Unless I have completely lost it (always possible), we set up the server in exactly the same way we would a client, i.e., create a network drive and map the files to it.  I know for certain that we have never had to resort to any trickery to get it to run properly, either under Win 2000 or WinXP.  A little brute force maybe (manually changing the drive letter in a handful of PRF files), but no trickery.
       
      We also use a batch file that runs on every machine at startup to map the network drives, to take care of the fact that, for various reasons,  Windows occasionally loses networked drive assignments.  After all these years, the patrons are used to seeing an obnoxious DOS-like window that tells them all those drives can't be mapped because they are already mapped.
       
      -----Bob H-----
       
      ----- Original Message -----
      Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 10:13 PM
      Subject: Re: [fhctech] Can the PRF server be used as a normal computer in the FHC?

       
      You can continue to use that machine as a patron workstation for all other products.  It is only that you cannot use that machine to access the PRF (the Master Index works OK but you cannot get to the Disks).  HOWEVER, I have a trick that even gets around that problem.
       
      Normally in all your client machines, you would have a setup command something like:
      NET USE V: \\Servername\ PRFViewer /PERSISTENT: NO
      (I put it into the startup file to run when the machine starts up.  If you leave off the last part and run that command once, it will be remembered, most of the time)
      but you cannot do that on the machine you are using as a server and trying to use also as a client for PRF.  This sample command is assuming that you use V: as the drive for accessing the PRF.  You also must install PRF using the same drive letter.
       
      What I do:  Go to the command prompt and type IPCONFIG and find out the IP address assigned to your server machine.  It will be something like 10.271.27.100
      then I use the command this way:
      NET USE V: \\10.271.27. 100  /PERSISTENT: NO
      This will allow the server machine to be it's own client for the PRF, at least until your DHCP server decides to give your machine a different number.  IF you have a rule that the server has to be turned on first, you may get several months usage this way--maybe until SLC changes your firewall to give out a different set of numbers. 
      Merlin Kitchen
       


      No virus found in this incoming message.
      Checked by AVG Free Edition.
      Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.4.0/759 - Release Date: 4/12/2007 7:58 PM




      --
      Richard


      No virus found in this incoming message.
      Checked by AVG Free Edition.
      Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.4.0/761 - Release Date: 4/14/2007 9:36 PM
    • David J. Wardell
      Russell, I have the complete PRF installed on our server. Through DVD 128, it requires 83gb. The NTFS folder will compress to roughly 50% (no visible
      Message 2 of 29 , Apr 16, 2007
        Russell,
         
        I have the complete PRF installed on our server.  Through DVD 128, it requires 83gb.  The NTFS folder will compress to roughly 50% (no visible performance degradation).
         
        I'm not sure why you have a problem on a 200gb drive, unless you're sharing it with other things.
         
        All the best,
         
        David Wardell
        McLean Virginia FHC
         
         


        From: fhctech@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fhctech@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of RussellHltn
        Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 2:53 PM
        To: fhctech@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: RE: [fhctech] Can the PRF server be used as a normal computer in the FHC?

        >>> All what money?

        If you network Temple Ready, i.e., the old family search CD's, then you
        probably already have enough disk space to network everything else as well.
        <<<


        I beg to differ. PRF's needs are quite substantial. I started with a
        dedicated 200GB data drive and now don't have the space to add another PRF
        disk. And then there's the cost of those PRF disks. So having and
        maintaining a local PRF install does indeed cost money.

      • RussellHltn
        From beta.familysearch.org: Move: 1858 Stockaryd, Jonkoping, Sweden Contributor Leonard Ingermanson1 Source Other, Kyrkobocker, 1644-1896,Husforhorslangd,
        Message 3 of 29 , Apr 16, 2007
          From beta.familysearch.org:

          Move: 1858

          Stockaryd, Jonkoping, Sweden
          Contributor Leonard Ingermanson1

          Source Other, Kyrkobocker, 1644-1896,Husforhorslangd, Stockaryd
          Församling, Svenska kyrkan, Stockaryd socken, Filmed by the Utah
          Genealogical Society, FHL Film 135590, Filmed 19 Feb 1954, Clerical
          Survey1852-58, Vol. A1:7, Pages 48, 55, 1858, Leonard Ingermanson1


          So the current FamilySearch doesn't, but it looks like the next one will.



          -----Original Message-----
          From: fhctech@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fhctech@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
          Len Ingermanson
          Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 6:15 PM
          To: fhctech@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: Re: [fhctech] Can the PRF server be used as a normal computer in
          the FHC?

          Yes it is still true. You can check the following name that I submitted to
          verify. Sven Ingemarsson, born 1833 in Sweden. The PIN number is 292760.
          You will notice some weird lettering as I used the Swedish diacritics and
          the website can't show them correctly. There are a number of dates
          following the Christening Date, they were dates when Sven made moves. Each
          entry has a specific source that does not show on the website but is on the
          CD. This is just one example. I included sources for every individual on
          the file I submitted.

          Len Ingermanson
        • RussellHltn
          Sources. The website will tell you if any were submitted, but won t tell you what they are. _____ From: fhctech@yahoogroups.com
          Message 4 of 29 , Apr 16, 2007
            Sources.  The website will tell you if any were submitted, but won't tell you what they are.


            From: fhctech@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fhctech@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of 124c41
            Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 6:55 PM
            To: fhctech@yahoogroups.com
            Subject: Re: [fhctech] Can the PRF server be used as a normal computer in the FHC?

            Gary what information is on the disk you cannot get from PRFMagnet?  I get the submitter, pedigree, family and ect
             
          • RussellHltn
            ... sharing it with other things.
            Message 5 of 29 , Apr 16, 2007
              >>> I'm not sure why you have a problem on a 200gb drive, unless you're sharing it with other things.  <<<
               
              We've got the entire FamilySearch (DOS) and all the VRIs and other software that can be purchased from the church.
               
               
              The IGI and Addendum take a little over 33GB.  
               
              Keep in mind the original statement I was responding to was:  "If you network Temple Ready, i.e., the old family search CD's, then you probably already have enough disk space to network everything else as well. Maybe if you planned to do it that way, but having a spare 83GB sitting around isn't likely to happen by accident.  Especially when you consider that PRF needs to have it all in one place and not spread around on different drives and/or machines.
               
              I'm not going to worry about it too much.  When the new FamilySearch gets rolled out to us, I suspect both the IGI and PRF will get the heave-ho.
               
               
            • Peggy LeBlanc
              Richard, I run the server on my every day workhorse machine here at Progeny. The machine doesn t care ... PRF is just another series of data folders on the
              Message 6 of 29 , Apr 16, 2007
                Richard, I run the server on my every day workhorse machine here at
                Progeny. The machine doesn't care ... PRF is just another series of
                data folders on the server. Someone was mistaken on thier answer to
                you. I know because I use this program nearly every day.

                On your server, Pedigree Resource File can be used as workstation as
                well.

                Complete instructions (except passwords) are located on your Master
                Index disc. See the Word document or the PDF file named:
                PRFNVinstructions. This file is updated every time a new Master Index
                is produced. On the Server, they are also in the MI folder on the
                server's PRFViewer\MI folder. In short, so long as you are installing
                exactly like a client on any other machine, it will work. (You must
                install via the mapped drive letter.)

                Gary reported that PRF online does not contain all the data that is
                available. Thank you for noting that, Gary. All sources and notes of
                whatever kind may be found on the PRF discs. These are not accessible
                online. Also, some searches of the Master Index cannot be done online.

                As for other DOS commands, I've never had reason to use them on any of
                our machines in our test lab. Then again, I'm not testing in an FHC
                environment.

                Regards,
                Peggy LeBlanc
                Product Specialist
                Progeny Software

                PS: I have a personal testimony of success that I would like to share
                if this forum approves...


                --- In fhctech@yahoogroups.com, "Gary Templeman" <gtempleman1@...> wrote:
                >
                > Because the PRF online does not contain all the data that is
                available on the disks.
                >
                > Gary Templeman
                >
                > ----- Original Message -----
                > From: Richard Lewis
                > To: fhctech@yahoogroups.com
                > Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 8:08 PM
                > Subject: Re: [fhctech] Can the PRF server be used as a normal
                computer in the FHC?
                >
                >
                > Why spend all that money when the prf file is on line and can be
                accessed with a program from ohana software called PRFmagnet which is
                free to the family history center???
                >
                >
                > On 4/14/07, Bob Hegerich <BobH36@...> wrote:
                >
                > Hi Merlin:
                >
                > Unless I have completely lost it (always possible), we set up
                the server in exactly the same way we would a client, i.e., create a
                network drive and map the files to it. I know for certain that we
                have never had to resort to any trickery to get it to run properly,
                either under Win 2000 or WinXP. A little brute force maybe (manually
                changing the drive letter in a handful of PRF files), but no trickery.
                >
                > We also use a batch file that runs on every machine at startup
                to map the network drives, to take care of the fact that, for various
                reasons, Windows occasionally loses networked drive assignments.
                After all these years, the patrons are used to seeing an obnoxious
                DOS-like window that tells them all those drives can't be mapped
                because they are already mapped.
                >
                > -----Bob H-----
                >
                > ----- Original Message -----
                > From: Merlin R Kitchen
                > To: fhctech@yahoogroups.com
                > Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 10:13 PM
                > Subject: Re: [fhctech] Can the PRF server be used as a normal
                computer in the FHC?
                >
                >
                >
                >
                > You can continue to use that machine as a patron workstation
                for all other products. It is only that you cannot use that machine
                to access the PRF (the Master Index works OK but you cannot get to the
                Disks). HOWEVER, I have a trick that even gets around that problem.
                >
                > Normally in all your client machines, you would have a setup
                command something like:
                > NET USE V: \\Servername\PRFViewer /PERSISTENT:NO
                > (I put it into the startup file to run when the machine starts
                up. If you leave off the last part and run that command once, it will
                be remembered, most of the time)
                > but you cannot do that on the machine you are using as a
                server and trying to use also as a client for PRF. This sample
                command is assuming that you use V: as the drive for accessing the
                PRF. You also must install PRF using the same drive letter.
                >
                > What I do: Go to the command prompt and type IPCONFIG and
                find out the IP address assigned to your server machine. It will be
                something like 10.271.27.100
                > then I use the command this way:
                > NET USE V: \\10.271.27.100 /PERSISTENT:NO
                > This will allow the server machine to be it's own client for
                the PRF, at least until your DHCP server decides to give your machine
                a different number. IF you have a rule that the server has to be
                turned on first, you may get several months usage this way--maybe
                until SLC changes your firewall to give out a different set of numbers.
                > Merlin Kitchen
                >
                >
                >
                >
                >
                >
                --------------------------------------------------------------------------
                >
                >
                > No virus found in this incoming message.
                > Checked by AVG Free Edition.
                > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.4.0/759 - Release Date:
                4/12/2007 7:58 PM
                >
                >
                >
                >
                >
                >
                > --
                > Richard
                >
              • David J. Wardell
                Russell, Thanks for the clarification. It s frequently hard to keep track of the thread--I assume that s a sign of old age on my part. The chatter on this
                Message 7 of 29 , Apr 16, 2007
                  Russell,
                   
                  Thanks for the clarification.  It's frequently hard to keep track of the thread--I assume that's a sign of old age on my part.
                   
                  The chatter on this list a few weeks ago lead me to believe that full deployment of the new FamilySearch was going to take an undetermined time, and that as a result we might have PRF around for a while.  I've resigned myself to buying a few more PRF DVDs and I hope they obsolete the old IGI first if they're setting priorities, as that has broader operational benefits beyond the FHC.
                   
                  All the best,
                   
                  David Wardell
                  McLean Virginia FHC
                   


                  From: fhctech@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fhctech@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of RussellHltn
                  Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 5:25 AM
                  To: fhctech@yahoogroups.com
                  Subject: RE: [fhctech] Can the PRF server be used as a normal computer in the FHC?

                  >>> I'm not sure why you have a problem on a 200gb drive, unless you're sharing it with other things.  <<<
                   
                  We've got the entire FamilySearch (DOS) and all the VRIs and other software that can be purchased from the church.
                   
                   
                  The IGI and Addendum take a little over 33GB.  
                   
                  Keep in mind the original statement I was responding to was:  "If you network Temple Ready, i.e., the old family search CD's, then you probably already have enough disk space to network everything else as well. Maybe if you planned to do it that way, but having a spare 83GB sitting around isn't likely to happen by accident.  Especially when you consider that PRF needs to have it all in one place and not spread around on different drives and/or machines.
                   
                  I'm not going to worry about it too much.  When the new FamilySearch gets rolled out to us, I suspect both the IGI and PRF will get the heave-ho.
                   
                   

                • RussellHltn
                  ... deployment of the new FamilySearch was going to take an undetermined time,
                  Message 8 of 29 , Apr 16, 2007
                     >>>  The chatter on this list a few weeks ago lead me to believe that full deployment of the new FamilySearch was going to take an undetermined time,  <<<
                     
                    That is true.  At this point we don't know when it will be rolled out.  And we've been told that it will be rolled out by temple district rather then church-wide all at once.  So who knows when it will be rolled out to your area.
                     
                    There are pros and cons both ways.  The website (and PRF Magnet) is always current automatically.  It takes time for the church to get around to publishing a DVD (it's now been 6-7 months since the last one).  Not to mention taking time for it to get purchased and be loaded.  I'm not sure about PRF Magnet, but the current FS will tell you if there are any sources.  Since not everyone submitted sources, the loss may not be that big.
                     
                     
                    >>>  I've resigned myself to buying a few more PRF DVDs and I hope they obsolete the old IGI first if they're setting priorities, as that has broader operational benefits beyond the FHC.  <<<
                     
                    Good question.  When you get the new FamilySearch, you can retire the IGI.  I do know the new FamilySearch has sources for PRF, so my first reaction will be both will be retired at the same time.  But one question comes to my mind: How is it going to be rolled out?  Will those with the new FS have to go to a different site like the beta testers did?  Will it depend on your login which one you get?  Or will everyone get the new format and only those in the proper temple districts be able to submit their work that way?  If the latter, then everyone will get the new PRF upfront and have to wait to retire the IGI.
                  Your message has been successfully submitted and would be delivered to recipients shortly.