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  • ette_scott
    The setup at our FHC currently has lots of issues. Every computer has its own fits and it has been hectic trying to fix them all. Just the other night I set up
    Message 1 of 18 , Feb 24, 2007
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      The setup at our FHC currently has lots of issues. Every computer
      has its own fits and it has been hectic trying to fix them all. Just
      the other night I set up one computer to work beautifully with all of
      our programs and look and feel just the way it should with XP. What I
      am moving toward now is imaging this computer and using that
      home-made, custom image to image our other computers that are running
      XP so that every computer is working EXACTLY as it should.
      Now the way I plan on going about this is to make my own image just
      like I assume the church does...: First I would run SysPrep on the
      machine I want to clone, and then I would make an image of the that
      computer and save that image to our server with a tool like Norton
      Ghost...and vuala! We have a custom image just like the ones they send
      from SLC. The biggest difference is that, with a Norton Ghost server
      setup, or with a free FTP imaging program like g4u, we would have the
      image on the server rather than on CD/DVD's, and once the image
      install is complete, all that would have to be done is maybe install a
      couple of drivers and name the computer, and it would be up and running.
      Now, my question is, has anyone done this already? I have an
      associate that does this at work and he is helping me, and I am
      reading up on it, but mostly I wanted to check and see if anyone had
      done this and had any advice for using the SysPrep tool (which I have
      never used before). I think this would be a beautiful solution and if
      anyone has any questions, just ask.

      THANKS!!!
      Scott E. Howard
      Blackfoot, Idaho
    • RussellHltn
      I ve done it using Norton Ghost, but it was to ghost identical machines. Remember, after restoring the image you need to change the computer s name and SID,
      Message 2 of 18 , Feb 25, 2007
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        I've done it using Norton Ghost, but it was to ghost identical machines.
        Remember, after restoring the image you need to change the computer's name
        and SID, otherwise the network will get confused because it will think the
        two computers are one in the same.

        Changing the name is easy. The SID can be changed using NEWSID from
        SysInternals.
      • Perry E Shumway
        Scott: I had 10 computer to install the XP image file on. The 8 CD process was so slow that I did a similar thing. Once I had one PC the way I wanted it, I
        Message 3 of 18 , Feb 25, 2007
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          Scott:
          I had 10 computer to install the XP image file on. The 8 CD process was so slow that I did a similar thing. Once I had one PC the way I wanted it, I made a duplicate of it using Ghost on a spare hard drive and then use this drive to ghost it on to the other computers. Copying hard drives is much faster then using the CDs.
           
          Perry Shumway
          Brigham City UT FHC

          ----- Original Message ----
          From: ette_scott <ette_scott@...>
          To: fhctech@yahoogroups.com
          Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2007 8:58:09 PM
          Subject: [fhctech] Home-made Images

          The setup at our FHC currently has lots of issues. Every computer
          has its own fits and it has been hectic trying to fix them all. Just
          the other night I set up one computer to work beautifully with all of
          our programs and look and feel just the way it should with XP. What I
          am moving toward now is imaging this computer and using that
          home-made, custom image to image our other computers that are running
          XP so that every computer is working EXACTLY as it should.
          Now the way I plan on going about this is to make my own image just
          like I assume the church does...: First I would run SysPrep on the
          machine I want to clone, and then I would make an image of the that
          computer and save that image to our server with a tool like Norton
          Ghost...and vuala! We have a custom image just like the ones they send
          from SLC. The biggest difference is that, with a Norton Ghost server
          setup, or with a free FTP imaging program like g4u, we would have the
          image on the server rather than on CD/DVD's, and once the image
          install is complete, all that would have to be done is maybe install a
          couple of drivers and name the computer, and it would be up and running.
          Now, my question is, has anyone done this already? I have an
          associate that does this at work and he is helping me, and I am
          reading up on it, but mostly I wanted to check and see if anyone had
          done this and had any advice for using the SysPrep tool (which I have
          never used before). I think this would be a beautiful solution and if
          anyone has any questions, just ask.

          THANKS!!!
          Scott E. Howard
          Blackfoot, Idaho




          Don't pick lemons.
          See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos.
        • Arlan Beebe
          If all the computers are the same model there will be no problems. But if the BIOS s are different then when it boots it will start looking for new drivers.
          Message 4 of 18 , Feb 25, 2007
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            If all the computers are the same model there will be no problems. But if the BIOS's are different then when it boots it will start looking for new drivers. Sometimes it works.
             
            Arlan Beebe
            Ann Arbor MI Stake
             
            -----Original Message-----
            From: fhctech@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fhctech@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Perry E Shumway
            Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2007 3:48 AM
            To: fhctech@yahoogroups.com
            Subject: Re: [fhctech] Home-made Images

            Scott:
            I had 10 computer to install the XP image file on. The 8 CD process was so slow that I did a similar thing. Once I had one PC the way I wanted it, I made a duplicate of it using Ghost on a spare hard drive and then use this drive to ghost it on to the other computers. Copying hard drives is much faster then using the CDs.
             
            Perry Shumway
            Brigham City UT FHC

            ----- Original Message ----
            From: ette_scott <ette_scott@yahoo. com>
            To: fhctech@yahoogroups .com
            Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2007 8:58:09 PM
            Subject: [fhctech] Home-made Images

            The setup at our FHC currently has lots of issues. Every computer
            has its own fits and it has been hectic trying to fix them all. Just
            the other night I set up one computer to work beautifully with all of
            our programs and look and feel just the way it should with XP. What I
            am moving toward now is imaging this computer and using that
            home-made, custom image to image our other computers that are running
            XP so that every computer is working EXACTLY as it should.
            Now the way I plan on going about this is to make my own image just
            like I assume the church does...: First I would run SysPrep on the
            machine I want to clone, and then I would make an image of the that
            computer and save that image to our server with a tool like Norton
            Ghost...and vuala! We have a custom image just like the ones they send
            from SLC. The biggest difference is that, with a Norton Ghost server
            setup, or with a free FTP imaging program like g4u, we would have the
            image on the server rather than on CD/DVD's, and once the image
            install is complete, all that would have to be done is maybe install a
            couple of drivers and name the computer, and it would be up and running.
            Now, my question is, has anyone done this already? I have an
            associate that does this at work and he is helping me, and I am
            reading up on it, but mostly I wanted to check and see if anyone had
            done this and had any advice for using the SysPrep tool (which I have
            never used before). I think this would be a beautiful solution and if
            anyone has any questions, just ask.

            THANKS!!!
            Scott E. Howard
            Blackfoot, Idaho




            Don't pick lemons.
            See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos.

          • Glen Ballard
            Russell, When using sysprep, as the OP stated he was using, this assigns a new SID and you name the computer when it starts the config process. However, for
            Message 5 of 18 , Feb 25, 2007
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              Russell,

              When using sysprep, as the OP stated he was using, this assigns a new SID
              and you name the computer when it starts the config process.

              However, for those who don't use the sysprep utility and just ghost the
              computers as is, this is important.

              Glen Ballard


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              ----- Original Message -----
              From: "RussellHltn" <RussellHltn@...>
              To: <fhctech@yahoogroups.com>
              Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2007 12:17 AM
              Subject: RE: [fhctech] Home-made Images


              I've done it using Norton Ghost, but it was to ghost identical machines.
              Remember, after restoring the image you need to change the computer's name
              and SID, otherwise the network will get confused because it will think the
              two computers are one in the same.

              Changing the name is easy. The SID can be changed using NEWSID from
              SysInternals.






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            • Jonathan
              ... I was able to pull the ghost.exe file from the church DVD s they sent. I then created a dos bootable disk and have used it to push my customized church
              Message 6 of 18 , Feb 27, 2007
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                > Now the way I plan on going about this is to make my own image

                I was able to pull the ghost.exe file from the church DVD's they sent.
                I then created a dos bootable disk and have used it to push my
                customized church image to all of my other machines. This saved a lot
                of time.
                To do this you need to create a dos bootable disk with network drivers
                for the NIC's you are ghosting to and from. We have all the same
                hardware with the same model NIC so it worked really well. It would
                take some time to build separate network boot disks for multiple NIC's.

                -Jon
              • Dan
                We have 7 Dell computers, one set of 5 and one set of 2. I configured one of each type of machine, then ghosted the image and copied it to the other machines.
                Message 7 of 18 , Feb 27, 2007
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                  We have 7 Dell computers, one set of 5 and one set of 2. I configured one of each type of machine, then ghosted the image and copied it to the other machines. I didn't use sysprep, didn't use newsid, simply changed the computer name on each of the machines I ghosted to after transferring the ghost image... and I made sure the original machine was offline until I had changed the new computer names to prevent any confusion on the network.
                   
                  Everything seems to work fine (3 weeks now), but now I'm wondering if my ghosted machines all have the same SID... how can I check the SID, and how can I change it at this point if I need to?... and what are the repercussions of having the same SID on multiple machines?
                   
                  Dan Vester
                  Technology Specialist
                  Prescott Az FHC
                  -----Original Message-----
                  From: fhctech@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fhctech@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan
                  Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 8:30 AM
                  To: fhctech@yahoogroups.com
                  Subject: [fhctech] Re: Home-made Images

                  > Now the way I plan on going about this is to make my own image

                  I was able to pull the ghost.exe file from the church DVD's they sent.
                  I then created a dos bootable disk and have used it to push my
                  customized church image to all of my other machines. This saved a lot
                  of time.
                  To do this you need to create a dos bootable disk with network drivers
                  for the NIC's you are ghosting to and from. We have all the same
                  hardware with the same model NIC so it worked really well. It would
                  take some time to build separate network boot disks for multiple NIC's.

                  -Jon



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                • Glen Ballard
                  There are some handy utilities for Windows 2000, XP, 2003 Server at: www.sysinternals.com (now redirected to Microsoft) Look under Security Utilities for
                  Message 8 of 18 , Feb 27, 2007
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                    There are some handy utilities for Windows 2000, XP, 2003 Server at:
                     
                    www.sysinternals.com (now redirected to Microsoft)
                     
                    Look under Security Utilities for NewSID
                     
                    Glen Ballard
                     


                    From: fhctech@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fhctech@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dan
                    Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 3:32 PM
                    To: fhctech@yahoogroups.com
                    Subject: RE: [fhctech] Re: Home-made Images

                    We have 7 Dell computers, one set of 5 and one set of 2. I configured one of each type of machine, then ghosted the image and copied it to the other machines. I didn't use sysprep, didn't use newsid, simply changed the computer name on each of the machines I ghosted to after transferring the ghost image... and I made sure the original machine was offline until I had changed the new computer names to prevent any confusion on the network.
                     
                    Everything seems to work fine (3 weeks now), but now I'm wondering if my ghosted machines all have the same SID... how can I check the SID, and how can I change it at this point if I need to?... and what are the repercussions of having the same SID on multiple machines?
                     
                    Dan Vester
                    Technology Specialist
                    Prescott Az FHC
                    -----Original Message-----
                    From: fhctech@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fhctech@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan
                    Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 8:30 AM
                    To: fhctech@yahoogroups.com
                    Subject: [fhctech] Re: Home-made Images

                    > Now the way I plan on going about this is to make my own image

                    I was able to pull the ghost.exe file from the church DVD's they sent.
                    I then created a dos bootable disk and have used it to push my
                    customized church image to all of my other machines. This saved a lot
                    of time.
                    To do this you need to create a dos bootable disk with network drivers
                    for the NIC's you are ghosting to and from. We have all the same
                    hardware with the same model NIC so it worked really well. It would
                    take some time to build separate network boot disks for multiple NIC's.

                    -Jon



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                  • Russell Hltn
                    All I can find out is with identical SIDs, your security may not work as expected. It s really not hard to run newsid and not worry about it.
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                      All I can find out is with identical SIDs, your security may not work as expected. <shrug>
                       
                      It's really not hard to run newsid and not worry about it.

                       
                      On 2/27/07, Dan <dvester@...> wrote:
                      Everything seems to work fine (3 weeks now), but now I'm wondering if my ghosted machines all have the same SID... how can I check the SID, and how can I change it at this point if I need to?... and what are the repercussions of having the same SID on multiple machines?

                    • Ronald Frye
                      Ahem... May I ask a favor of the members of this list? Since many of us have been called in desperation to become the Family History Center Computer
                      Message 10 of 18 , Feb 27, 2007
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                        Ahem...
                         
                        May I ask a favor of the members of this list?
                         
                        Since many of us have been called in desperation to become the Family History Center Computer Specialist, rather than for any qualifications or knowledge of computers or networks, it would really help if you keep in mind your audience. What am I getting at? Read on.
                         
                        It is obvious that some of us are pros, while others (like myself) are dumb as dirt on technical matters. I'm sure there are many who read this list who have no idea what a SID is, and in reading past messages regarding this subject, I can find no explanation of what it means.
                         
                        May I suggest a method used in technical writing circles to avoid confusion? When you introduce an abbreviation or acronym for the first time, tell us what it means. Thereafter, when you use the abbreviation, your readers will know what the abbreviation or acronym means. Examples...
                         
                        1.) Our FHC (Family History Center) is open on...
                         
                        2.) How much RAM (Random Access Memory) do you have in your....
                         
                        3.) The CPU (Central Processing Unit) of your computer must be...
                         
                        4.) USB (Universal Serial Bus) memory sticks are the wave of the...
                         
                        Thank you.
                         
                        Ronald W. Frye
                        Danville, CA FHC Computer Specialist
                         
                         
                        ----- Original Message -----
                        Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 3:58 PM
                        Subject: Re: [fhctech] Re: Home-made Images

                        All I can find out is with identical SIDs, your security may not work as expected. <shrug>
                         
                        It's really not hard to run newsid and not worry about it.

                         
                        On 2/27/07, Dan <dvester@northlink. com> wrote:
                        Everything seems to work fine (3 weeks now), but now I'm wondering if my ghosted machines all have the same SID... how can I check the SID, and how can I change it at this point if I need to?... and what are the repercussions of having the same SID on multiple machines?

                      • ette_scott
                        You can find a user s SID using the getsid tool from the windows 2000 resource kit. You can download the individual tools here:
                        Message 11 of 18 , Feb 27, 2007
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                          You can find a user's SID using the "getsid" tool from the windows
                          2000 resource kit. You can download the individual tools here:
                          http://support.microsoft.com/kb/927229

                          The syntax for getsid is as follows:

                          getsid \\computerName username \\computerName username

                          Notice that there are two computers and usernames. This tool was
                          designed to compare two SID's, but can be used just as easily to find only
                          one user's sid. Just enter the same computer and username twice if you
                          are only looking for one user sid (the tool will always print two
                          sid's to the screen, though).

                          I have used this tool to find the patron account's SID so that I could
                          edit the user's registry from the administrator account.

                          Russell's advice (below) might be best for your situation, though.

                          Scott Howard
                          Blackfoot, Idaho

                          P.S. to anyone: can I change my display name from ette_scott to Scott
                          Howard?

                          --- In fhctech@yahoogroups.com, "Russell Hltn" <RussellHltn@...> wrote:
                          >
                          > All I can find out is with identical SIDs, your security may not work as
                          > expected. <shrug>
                          >
                          > It's really not hard to run newsid and not worry about it.
                          >
                          >
                          > On 2/27/07, Dan <dvester@...> wrote:
                          > >
                          > > Everything seems to work fine (3 weeks now), but now I'm
                          wondering if my
                          > > ghosted machines all have the same SID... how can I check the SID,
                          and how
                          > > can I change it at this point if I need to?... and what are the
                          > > repercussions of having the same SID on multiple machines?
                          > >
                          > >
                          >
                        • ette_scott
                          NOTE: I ll be prepping either a win 2000 or XP computer with Sysprep sometime in the next two weeks. I will also use g4u and an ftp server to image this
                          Message 12 of 18 , Feb 27, 2007
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                            NOTE:

                            I'll be prepping either a win 2000 or XP computer with Sysprep
                            sometime in the next two weeks. I will also use g4u and an ftp server
                            to image this machine and then distribute that image to another
                            machine. I'll let you all know how it goes and give any advice.
                            The reason I want to take the time to use Sysprep is because we
                            have a variety of computers at our FHC. Not all of them are the HP or
                            DELL models that SLC sends out. In my past experience simply copying
                            over a hard drive to an entirely new computer results in an OS that
                            will not boot because of hardware/driver conflicts.
                            The reason I am using g4u is because it boots from netbsd (unix)
                            and therefore I will not have to prepare drivers for all of our
                            ethernet devices. Also, I'm using it because it's free and I can find
                            how to customize the way I use it easily. We have a cd of Norton Ghost
                            around but as of yet I have never used it and don't know if I can
                            customize it.
                            Our server machine is running windows 2000 server and I will be
                            using the ftp server that comes with it, because g4u says it is fully
                            compatible.

                            Thanks, all. I'll be posting the results when I get it all worked out!

                            Scott Howard
                            Blackfoot, Idaho
                          • RussellHltn
                            ... Howard? Somewhere in your email software you ve got your email account name as
                            Message 13 of 18 , Feb 28, 2007
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                              >>> P.S. to anyone: can I change my display name from ette_scott to Scott
                              Howard? <<<

                              Your email is coming in as

                              From: "ette_scott" <ette_scott@...>

                              Somewhere in your email software you've got your email account name as your
                              name.
                            • jbmarcum@adelphia.net
                              I have used SysPrep here at work and at the FHC, and it works great. Judith Marcum Yuma, Arizona Family History Center
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                                I have used SysPrep here at work and at the FHC, and it works great.

                                Judith Marcum
                                Yuma, Arizona Family History Center

                                ---- ette_scott <ette_scott@...> wrote:
                                > The setup at our FHC currently has lots of issues. Every computer
                                > has its own fits and it has been hectic trying to fix them all. Just
                                > the other night I set up one computer to work beautifully with all of
                                > our programs and look and feel just the way it should with XP. What I
                                > am moving toward now is imaging this computer and using that
                                > home-made, custom image to image our other computers that are running
                                > XP so that every computer is working EXACTLY as it should.
                                > Now the way I plan on going about this is to make my own image just
                                > like I assume the church does...: First I would run SysPrep on the
                                > machine I want to clone, and then I would make an image of the that
                                > computer and save that image to our server with a tool like Norton
                                > Ghost...and vuala! We have a custom image just like the ones they send
                                > from SLC. The biggest difference is that, with a Norton Ghost server
                                > setup, or with a free FTP imaging program like g4u, we would have the
                                > image on the server rather than on CD/DVD's, and once the image
                                > install is complete, all that would have to be done is maybe install a
                                > couple of drivers and name the computer, and it would be up and running.
                                > Now, my question is, has anyone done this already? I have an
                                > associate that does this at work and he is helping me, and I am
                                > reading up on it, but mostly I wanted to check and see if anyone had
                                > done this and had any advice for using the SysPrep tool (which I have
                                > never used before). I think this would be a beautiful solution and if
                                > anyone has any questions, just ask.
                                >
                                > THANKS!!!
                                > Scott E. Howard
                                > Blackfoot, Idaho
                                >
                              • ette_scott
                                Ronald, I ll try to clarify what I can. I don t see too much clarification happening on this group though. As more or less volunteers, we are all giving our
                                Message 15 of 18 , Feb 28, 2007
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                                  Ronald,
                                  I'll try to clarify what I can. I don't see too much clarification
                                  happening on this group though. As more or less volunteers, we are all
                                  giving our time, some of us who have very little of it. Clarification
                                  takes time and this group seems to answer specific questions rather
                                  than being a source of documentation. If you have questions about
                                  something, e-mail the person who posted it. Another tip is google. For
                                  the example of SID's, the first link on a google search of "windows
                                  sid" is wikipedia's explanation, and the first on a search of "sid
                                  windows" is Microsoft's article explaining what an SID is.
                                  I understand your request, though. I am actually not the computer
                                  specialist at our FHC. My dad is. He has absolutely no time, so I've
                                  been doing what I can to help. Regardless, I hope I've helped you out
                                  a little. I really do believe in google!

                                  Scott Howard
                                  Blackfoot, Idaho

                                  --- In fhctech@yahoogroups.com, "Ronald Frye" <ronfrye@...> wrote:
                                  >
                                  > Ahem...
                                  >
                                  > May I ask a favor of the members of this list?
                                  >
                                  > Since many of us have been called in desperation to become the
                                  Family History Center Computer Specialist, rather than for any
                                  qualifications or knowledge of computers or networks, it would really
                                  help if you keep in mind your audience. What am I getting at? Read on.
                                  >
                                  > It is obvious that some of us are pros, while others (like myself)
                                  are dumb as dirt on technical matters. I'm sure there are many who
                                  read this list who have no idea what a SID is, and in reading past
                                  messages regarding this subject, I can find no explanation of what it
                                  means.
                                  >
                                  > May I suggest a method used in technical writing circles to avoid
                                  confusion? When you introduce an abbreviation or acronym for the first
                                  time, tell us what it means. Thereafter, when you use the
                                  abbreviation, your readers will know what the abbreviation or acronym
                                  means. Examples...
                                  >
                                  > 1.) Our FHC (Family History Center) is open on...
                                  >
                                  > 2.) How much RAM (Random Access Memory) do you have in your....
                                  >
                                  > 3.) The CPU (Central Processing Unit) of your computer must be...
                                  >
                                  > 4.) USB (Universal Serial Bus) memory sticks are the wave of the...
                                  >
                                  > Thank you.
                                  >
                                  > Ronald W. Frye
                                  > Danville, CA FHC Computer Specialist
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > ----- Original Message -----
                                  > From: Russell Hltn
                                  > To: fhctech@yahoogroups.com
                                  > Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 3:58 PM
                                  > Subject: Re: [fhctech] Re: Home-made Images
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > All I can find out is with identical SIDs, your security may not
                                  work as expected. <shrug>
                                  >
                                  > It's really not hard to run newsid and not worry about it.
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > On 2/27/07, Dan <dvester@...> wrote:
                                  > Everything seems to work fine (3 weeks now), but now I'm
                                  wondering if my ghosted machines all have the same SID... how can I
                                  check the SID, and how can I change it at this point if I need to?...
                                  and what are the repercussions of having the same SID on multiple
                                  machines?
                                  >
                                • Bill Henderson
                                  Haven t read all the postings for a few days so you initial question may already be answered. But in the event it hasn t... A SID is a Security ID. It is a
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                                    Haven't read all the postings for a few days so you initial question may already be answered.  But in the event it hasn't...
                                     
                                    A SID is a Security ID.  It is a hexidecimal number that uniquely identifies each computer (specifically the operating system) as unique from another computer's ID in the network.  Standalone computers can all have the same SID, but in a network the SID of each computer must be unique or the network doesn't know which computer to send things to.  It's been a while since I studied this stuff, but I think if two computers both have the same SID, either the second one on the net is locked out or neither will be able to use the net.
                                     
                                    The issue relates to "cloning" computer images.  There are two ways to clone an image: a) making exact duplicates of each bit (0 or 1) on a hard drive such as Ghost or Image Blaster (all SIDs are the same), or  b) Hardware Independent Images (HII), where at least the operating system is installed similarly as is done when using the original installation CD.  This method creates a uniquely different SID during installation and avoids the problem of duplicate SIDs.  If you make exact duplicates (via Ghost et al) you need a SID modifier program to change the SID to remove duplicates.  Winternals NewSID, is such a program.  It used to be free, but I recently read that Microsoft bought Winternals and it may not be free anymore (except earlier versions through free software websites). 
                                     
                                    While most people in this forum buy Ghost use it on several computers, it is licensed only for one computer per package, with the intent that you clone that computer and save the image for recovery if/when then system is damaged or corrupted.  Under the circumstances of the license there is never a problem of duplicate SIDs, but using one cloned image to install several computers creates the duplicate SID issue.
                                     
                                    As far as your desire for explanations about unfamiliar terms, its a nice wish but tends to lengthen the response and clutters up the answer to those of us who do know the terms.  Instead, perhaps you can post a message asking the meaning of terms unfamiliar to you.  I am sure a lot of us will be happy to answer you inquiry (like the one above).  That way we focus on the essential elements of the help.  Got a question... Just ask.
                                     
                                    Bill H.

                                    Ronald Frye <ronfrye@...> wrote:
                                    Ahem...
                                     
                                    May I ask a favor of the members of this list?
                                     
                                    Since many of us have been called in desperation to become the Family History Center Computer Specialist, rather than for any qualifications or knowledge of computers or networks, it would really help if you keep in mind your audience. What am I getting at? Read on.
                                     
                                    It is obvious that some of us are pros, while others (like myself) are dumb as dirt on technical matters. I'm sure there are many who read this list who have no idea what a SID is, and in reading past messages regarding this subject, I can find no explanation of what it means.
                                     
                                    May I suggest a method used in technical writing circles to avoid confusion? When you introduce an abbreviation or acronym for the first time, tell us what it means. Thereafter, when you use the abbreviation, your readers will know what the abbreviation or acronym means. Examples...
                                     
                                    1.) Our FHC (Family History Center) is open on...
                                     
                                    2.) How much RAM (Random Access Memory) do you have in your....
                                     
                                    3.) The CPU (Central Processing Unit) of your computer must be...
                                     
                                    4.) USB (Universal Serial Bus) memory sticks are the wave of the...
                                     
                                    Thank you.
                                     
                                    Ronald W. Frye
                                    Danville, CA FHC Computer Specialist
                                     
                                     
                                    ----- Original Message -----
                                    Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 3:58 PM
                                    Subject: Re: [fhctech] Re: Home-made Images

                                    All I can find out is with identical SIDs, your security may not work as expected. <shrug>
                                     
                                    It's really not hard to run newsid and not worry about it.

                                     
                                    On 2/27/07, Dan <dvester@northlink. com> wrote:
                                    Everything seems to work fine (3 weeks now), but now I'm wondering if my ghosted machines all have the same SID... how can I check the SID, and how can I change it at this point if I need to?... and what are the repercussions of having the same SID on multiple machines?



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                                  • Bill Henderson
                                    Here is the SID definition from the microsoft glossary. security ID (SID) A data structure of variable length that identifies user, group, and computer
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                                      Here is the SID definition from the microsoft glossary.
                                       

                                      security ID (SID)

                                      A data structure of variable length that identifies user, group, and computer accounts. Every account on a network is issued a unique SID when the account is first created. Internal processes in Windows refer to an account's SID rather than the account's user or group name.
                                       
                                      So this means users and groups also get SIDs, not just computers as I mentioned previously.  And there is another resource for your questions, the Help option in the operating system (Windows 2000 and XP are pretty good).
                                       
                                      Bill H.
                                       

                                      Ronald Frye <ronfrye@...> wrote:
                                      Ahem...
                                       
                                      May I ask a favor of the members of this list?
                                       
                                      Since many of us have been called in desperation to become the Family History Center Computer Specialist, rather than for any qualifications or knowledge of computers or networks, it would really help if you keep in mind your audience. What am I getting at? Read on.
                                       
                                      It is obvious that some of us are pros, while others (like myself) are dumb as dirt on technical matters. I'm sure there are many who read this list who have no idea what a SID is, and in reading past messages regarding this subject, I can find no explanation of what it means.
                                       
                                      May I suggest a method used in technical writing circles to avoid confusion? When you introduce an abbreviation or acronym for the first time, tell us what it means. Thereafter, when you use the abbreviation, your readers will know what the abbreviation or acronym means. Examples...
                                       
                                      1.) Our FHC (Family History Center) is open on...
                                       
                                      2.) How much RAM (Random Access Memory) do you have in your....
                                       
                                      3.) The CPU (Central Processing Unit) of your computer must be...
                                       
                                      4.) USB (Universal Serial Bus) memory sticks are the wave of the...
                                       
                                      Thank you.
                                       
                                      Ronald W. Frye
                                      Danville, CA FHC Computer Specialist
                                       
                                       
                                      ----- Original Message -----
                                      Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 3:58 PM
                                      Subject: Re: [fhctech] Re: Home-made Images

                                      All I can find out is with identical SIDs, your security may not work as expected. <shrug>
                                       
                                      It's really not hard to run newsid and not worry about it.

                                       
                                      On 2/27/07, Dan <dvester@northlink. com> wrote:
                                      Everything seems to work fine (3 weeks now), but now I'm wondering if my ghosted machines all have the same SID... how can I check the SID, and how can I change it at this point if I need to?... and what are the repercussions of having the same SID on multiple machines?



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                                    • Bill Henderson
                                      Like Ghost, Sysprep is for imaging identical machines. If you have different machines look toward using winnt.exe or winnt32.exe and answer files.
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                                        Like Ghost, Sysprep is for imaging identical machines. If you have different machines look toward using winnt.exe or winnt32.exe and 'answer files.' 
                                         

                                        jbmarcum@... wrote:
                                        I have used SysPrep here at work and at the FHC, and it works great.

                                        Judith Marcum
                                        Yuma, Arizona Family History Center

                                        ---- ette_scott <ette_scott@yahoo. com> wrote:
                                        > The setup at our FHC currently has lots of issues. Every computer
                                        > has its own fits and it has been hectic trying to fix them all. Just
                                        > the other night I set up one computer to work beautifully with all of
                                        > our programs and look and feel just the way it should with XP. What I
                                        > am moving toward now is imaging this computer and using that
                                        > home-made, custom image to image our other computers that are running
                                        > XP so that every computer is working EXACTLY as it should.
                                        > Now the way I plan on going about this is to make my own image just
                                        > like I assume the church does...: First I would run SysPrep on the
                                        > machine I want to clone, and then I would make an image of the that
                                        > computer and save that image to our server with a tool like Norton
                                        > Ghost...and vuala! We have a custom image just like the ones they send
                                        > from SLC. The biggest difference is that, with a Norton Ghost server
                                        > setup, or with a free FTP imaging program like g4u, we would have the
                                        > image on the server rather than on CD/DVD's, and once the image
                                        > install is complete, all that would have to be done is maybe install a
                                        > couple of drivers and name the computer, and it would be up and running.
                                        > Now, my question is, has anyone done this already? I have an
                                        > associate that does this at work and he is helping me, and I am
                                        > reading up on it, but mostly I wanted to check and see if anyone had
                                        > done this and had any advice for using the SysPrep tool (which I have
                                        > never used before). I think this would be a beautiful solution and if
                                        > anyone has any questions, just ask.
                                        >
                                        > THANKS!!!
                                        > Scott E. Howard
                                        > Blackfoot, Idaho
                                        >



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