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  • catatonya
    My vet has suggested trying depomedrol or dexamthenone. (I don t remember which) for my herpes cat that has nasal/breathing issues. Is this something I
    Message 1 of 30 , Jan 1, 2009
      My vet has suggested trying depomedrol or dexamthenone. (I don't remember which) for my herpes cat that has nasal/breathing issues. Is this something I should refuse. We just tried a shot of convenia, and it seems to be helping. The last time we did a swab test there was no bacterial infection, but that was a while ago. We did not do one with this flare up, we just decided to try the convenia. It seems to be helping him breathe better.
      tonya

      Tricia & Rich <TANDRYOUNG@...> wrote:
      Herpes babies-NO steroids at all!-only makes it worse! Trust me! Done that, been there!

      Tricia Y.
      ----- Original Message -----
      From: vicky
      To: felineherpes@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 5:21 PM
      Subject: Re: [felineherpes]feline herpes New Member. Wondering if my cat has feline herpe

      Lucy,

      I know Nancy as well as others have had eye issues with the herpes. I don't
      think steroid eye drops are an issue but I can be wrong. I just know you
      can't give the pill form of steroids. It makes them a mess. I feel your
      pain..you feel so helpless for them. It's so hard watching them going
      through all this and hoping your doing the right thing for them. Thank God
      he has you..sounds like your trying your best for him. Hopefully Nancy,
      Mary and Anyes gets on here..help guys..I'm drowning here.

      Vicky

      -------Original Message-------

      From: lucyjay86
      Date: 12/28/2008 3:05:08 PM
      To: felineherpes@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: Re: [felineherpes]feline herpes New Member. Wondering if my cat has
      feline herpe

      Hi Vicky,

      My hope is that perhaps Max needs something other than steroids for
      his eyes. He is about 5 years and 3 or 4 months old. I adopted him
      so his age was guestimated by the shelter. This is his first major
      health crisis. :( He has always had more oozy (although nothing
      severe) eyes than my other cat and he was rescued from the streets,
      where he was exposed to who knows what.

      --- In felineherpes@yahoogroups.com, "vicky" <vickydee27@...> wrote:
      >
      > Hi Lucy,
      >
      > Welcome..I don't have an eye problem with my herpes cat and she has
      asthma
      > also. I do know you can't give steroids with herpes...mine had a
      terrible
      > reaction to it. There are several people on here that dealt with
      eye issues
      > and I know they will be more than glad to give their input. Sorry your
      > going through this with your Max. How old is Max?
      >
      > Vicky
      >
      > -------Original Message-------
      >
      > From: lucyjay86
      > Date: 12/28/2008 1:24:56 PM
      > To: felineherpes@yahoogroups.com
      > Subject: [felineherpes]feline herpes New Member. Wondering if my cat has
      > feline herpes
      >
      > Hello all. I have some issues with my poor guy, Max, and wonder what
      > people here think. It's a bit of a long story.
      >
      > Max stopped eating and had a feeding tube put in. It was rough at
      > first but Max started gaining weight and his jaundice started going
      > away. But a few weeks ago, I noticed his eyes were cloudy so I took
      > him to the vet. His breathing was also sounding snotty, for want of a
      > better word and she thought he might have a respiratory infection. He
      > did not have a running nose or coughing that I noticed. She diagnosed
      > uveitis prescribed a steroid eye drop. Well, I noticed Max's eyes
      > were getting worse, not better. Basically, right now he is blind
      > because of all the crud in his eyes. So I took him to an animal eye
      > specialist, who gave a different steroid drop. This vet diagnosed
      > either fat in the eye due to a high fat diet or FIP :( I took him back
      > to another eye specialist for a follow up yesterday and she did not
      > like what she saw. She thought his eyes should have started clearing
      > up and he had high pressure readings, an indication of glaucoma. So
      > now he has another eye drop for that. She thinks Max has some (bad)
      > underlying condition causing the uveitis.
      >
      > I'm kinda of fishing for hope here, but I have read that FHV is hard
      > to diagnose and steroids can make it worse. Now Max has not shown any
      > of the usual signs like red, weepy eyes or a runny nose. But maybe he
      > has an unusual version? Has anyone experienced anything like this
      > before? He's going back on Tuesday for an ultrasound to see if he has
      > liver cancer :( or something equally horrible. I hopehopehope the
      > scan comes back clean.
      >
      > Thanks for any help.
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
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    • stephanief101400
      If either of those is a steroid, then NO to that. Steroids will trigger a flare up, which is what we re trying to avoid. We did the Covenia shot on Hannah
      Message 2 of 30 , Jan 1, 2009
        If either of those is a steroid, then NO to that. Steroids will
        trigger a flare up, which is what we're trying to avoid. We did the
        Covenia shot on Hannah and she was wiped out for the first week, then
        slowly started coming back to normal the 2nd week. She'd have to be
        really bad off before I choose that route again.

        If you're just dealing with sneezing and breathing problems with no
        colored discharge, I would look into some holistic treatments such as
        the calendula drops or the meds from Pet Alive,
        http://www.nativeremedies.com/petalive/fcvprotect-prevent-cat-flu-fever.html
        . Once Hannah gets over this bought of pseudomonas, that's the route
        we're going.

        **The link to Pet Alive is for the FCV. I'm not sure if this is the
        best treatment for your kitty, but you can email them the symptoms of
        your cat and they will tell you which is the best one they have for him.

        Stephanie

        --- In felineherpes@yahoogroups.com, catatonya <catatonya@...> wrote:
        >
        > My vet has suggested trying depomedrol or dexamthenone. (I don't
        remember which) for my herpes cat that has nasal/breathing issues. Is
        this something I should refuse. We just tried a shot of convenia, and
        it seems to be helping. The last time we did a swab test there was no
        bacterial infection, but that was a while ago. We did not do one with
        this flare up, we just decided to try the convenia. It seems to be
        helping him breathe better.
        > tonya
      • catatonya
        We are at the same place with Sneaker. He did not get a steroid on his last visit, but we did give him another convenia (sp?) shot. This time it doesn t seem
        Message 3 of 30 , Jan 10, 2009
          We are at the same place with Sneaker. He did not get a steroid on his last visit, but we did give him another convenia (sp?) shot. This time it doesn't seem to be helping as much. I really think lysine would help him if I could just get him to take it. Would it be ok to dissolve the lysine into the water dishes?

          I cannot pill him with such big pills, and he refuses wet food with the powder in it. The vet also said he was concerned that Sneaker's temp was a little low. They did a new cbc, blood panel, etc.... and all was well with those kinds of things.

          He doesn't act like he feels bad, but I think he must since he is so congested most of the time. :(

          tonya

          stephanief101400 <savvyewe@...> wrote:
          If either of those is a steroid, then NO to that. Steroids will
          trigger a flare up, which is what we're trying to avoid. We did the
          Covenia shot on Hannah and she was wiped out for the first week, then
          slowly started coming back to normal the 2nd week. She'd have to be
          really bad off before I choose that route again.

          If you're just dealing with sneezing and breathing problems with no
          colored discharge, I would look into some holistic treatments such as
          the calendula drops or the meds from Pet Alive,
          http://www.nativeremedies.com/petalive/fcvprotect-prevent-cat-flu-fever.html
          .. Once Hannah gets over this bought of pseudomonas, that's the route
          we're going.

          **The link to Pet Alive is for the FCV. I'm not sure if this is the
          best treatment for your kitty, but you can email them the symptoms of
          your cat and they will tell you which is the best one they have for him.

          Stephanie

          --- In felineherpes@yahoogroups.com, catatonya <catatonya@...> wrote:
          >
          > My vet has suggested trying depomedrol or dexamthenone. (I don't
          remember which) for my herpes cat that has nasal/breathing issues. Is
          this something I should refuse. We just tried a shot of convenia, and
          it seems to be helping. The last time we did a swab test there was no
          bacterial infection, but that was a while ago. We did not do one with
          this flare up, we just decided to try the convenia. It seems to be
          helping him breathe better.
          > tonya







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        • catatonya
          And thank you for the link. I will check into that as well. tonya stephanief101400 wrote: If either of those is a steroid, then NO to
          Message 4 of 30 , Jan 10, 2009
            And thank you for the link. I will check into that as well.
            tonya

            stephanief101400 <savvyewe@...> wrote:
            If either of those is a steroid, then NO to that. Steroids will
            trigger a flare up, which is what we're trying to avoid. We did the
            Covenia shot on Hannah and she was wiped out for the first week, then
            slowly started coming back to normal the 2nd week. She'd have to be
            really bad off before I choose that route again.

            If you're just dealing with sneezing and breathing problems with no
            colored discharge, I would look into some holistic treatments such as
            the calendula drops or the meds from Pet Alive,
            http://www.nativeremedies.com/petalive/fcvprotect-prevent-cat-flu-fever.html
            .. Once Hannah gets over this bought of pseudomonas, that's the route
            we're going.

            **The link to Pet Alive is for the FCV. I'm not sure if this is the
            best treatment for your kitty, but you can email them the symptoms of
            your cat and they will tell you which is the best one they have for him.

            Stephanie

            --- In felineherpes@yahoogroups.com, catatonya <catatonya@...> wrote:
            >
            > My vet has suggested trying depomedrol or dexamthenone. (I don't
            remember which) for my herpes cat that has nasal/breathing issues. Is
            this something I should refuse. We just tried a shot of convenia, and
            it seems to be helping. The last time we did a swab test there was no
            bacterial infection, but that was a while ago. We did not do one with
            this flare up, we just decided to try the convenia. It seems to be
            helping him breathe better.
            > tonya







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          • Cathy Campbell
            Have you mixed it with baby food?  I would crush the lysine and mix with food and chicken baby food.  I also used homemade chicken broth and water to make it
            Message 5 of 30 , Jan 13, 2009
              Have you mixed it with baby food?  I would crush the lysine and mix with food and chicken baby food.  I also used homemade chicken broth and water to make it more of a liquid consistency.
               
              A cat groomer in town told me that she puts the lysine in water for cats but I don't know if you lose the effectiveness with that.
              Cathy

              --- On Sat, 1/10/09, catatonya <catatonya@...> wrote:

              From: catatonya <catatonya@...>
              Subject: Re: [felineherpes]feline herpes Re: herpes and steroids for sneaker-update
              To: felineherpes@yahoogroups.com
              Date: Saturday, January 10, 2009, 5:04 PM






              We are at the same place with Sneaker. He did not get a steroid on his last visit, but we did give him another convenia (sp?) shot. This time it doesn't seem to be helping as much. I really think lysine would help him if I could just get him to take it. Would it be ok to dissolve the lysine into the water dishes?

              I cannot pill him with such big pills, and he refuses wet food with the powder in it. The vet also said he was concerned that Sneaker's temp was a little low. They did a new cbc, blood panel, etc.... and all was well with those kinds of things.

              He doesn't act like he feels bad, but I think he must since he is so congested most of the time. :(

              tonya

              stephanief101400 <savvyewe@gmail. com> wrote:
              If either of those is a steroid, then NO to that. Steroids will
              trigger a flare up, which is what we're trying to avoid. We did the
              Covenia shot on Hannah and she was wiped out for the first week, then
              slowly started coming back to normal the 2nd week. She'd have to be
              really bad off before I choose that route again.

              If you're just dealing with sneezing and breathing problems with no
              colored discharge, I would look into some holistic treatments such as
              the calendula drops or the meds from Pet Alive,
              http://www.nativere medies.com/ petalive/ fcvprotect- prevent-cat- flu-fever. html
              ... Once Hannah gets over this bought of pseudomonas, that's the route
              we're going.

              **The link to Pet Alive is for the FCV. I'm not sure if this is the
              best treatment for your kitty, but you can email them the symptoms of
              your cat and they will tell you which is the best one they have for him.

              Stephanie

              --- In felineherpes@ yahoogroups. com, catatonya <catatonya@. ..> wrote:
              >
              > My vet has suggested trying depomedrol or dexamthenone. (I don't
              remember which) for my herpes cat that has nasal/breathing issues. Is
              this something I should refuse. We just tried a shot of convenia, and
              it seems to be helping. The last time we did a swab test there was no
              bacterial infection, but that was a while ago. We did not do one with
              this flare up, we just decided to try the convenia. It seems to be
              helping him breathe better.
              > tonya

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            • stephanief101400
              I buy the powdered form and mix it with canned food. Hannah doesn t even know it s in there! I ve also crushed tablets between two spoons and mixed it with
              Message 6 of 30 , Jan 13, 2009
                I buy the powdered form and mix it with canned food. Hannah doesn't
                even know it's in there! I've also crushed tablets between two spoons
                and mixed it with canned food with good success. If you can't find
                powdered sold separately, you can get the capsules, break open the
                capsule and pour the powder out in the food.

                Stephanie

                --- In felineherpes@yahoogroups.com, catatonya <catatonya@...> wrote:
                >
                > We are at the same place with Sneaker. He did not get a steroid on
                his last visit, but we did give him another convenia (sp?) shot. This
                time it doesn't seem to be helping as much. I really think lysine
                would help him if I could just get him to take it. Would it be ok to
                dissolve the lysine into the water dishes?
              • Anyes
                Another option is to mix the crushed lysine with a little babyfood. My cats loved it that way. I gave it to them from a tablespoon and they licked it off the
                Message 7 of 30 , Jan 13, 2009
                  Another option is to mix the crushed lysine with a little babyfood. My
                  cats loved it that way. I gave it to them from a tablespoon and they
                  licked it off the spoon. Of course, I made a big deal of calling it a
                  special kitty treat to add to the mystique. I used meat in gravy, their
                  favorite being turkey or chicken in gravy.
                  They looked forward to it before their meal in the evening.

                  Anyes

                  stephanief101400 wrote:

                  >I buy the powdered form and mix it with canned food. Hannah doesn't
                  >even know it's in there! I've also crushed tablets between two spoons
                  >and mixed it with canned food with good success. If you can't find
                  >powdered sold separately, you can get the capsules, break open the
                  >capsule and pour the powder out in the food.
                  >
                  >Stephanie
                  >
                  >--- In felineherpes@yahoogroups.com, catatonya <catatonya@...> wrote:
                  >
                  >
                  >>We are at the same place with Sneaker. He did not get a steroid on
                  >>
                  >>
                  >his last visit, but we did give him another convenia (sp?) shot. This
                  >time it doesn't seem to be helping as much. I really think lysine
                  >would help him if I could just get him to take it. Would it be ok to
                  >dissolve the lysine into the water dishes?
                  >
                  >
                  >
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                • Lisa Smith
                  Two more options:  buy Viralysis which is lysine in a gel form, supposedly it tastes ok/good to them and you syringe in into their mouths.  It is more
                  Message 8 of 30 , Jan 15, 2009
                    Two more options:  buy Viralysis which is lysine in a gel form, supposedly it tastes ok/good to them and you syringe in into their mouths.  It is more expensive than the powder.  An option in-between the two is to mix the powdered lysine with water (or perhaps broth) and syringe it into their mouth.  That way you know they are getting their dose.
                     
                    I think others have already suggested the mixing with wet food or mixing with baby food.
                     
                    The problem with mixing with water in their water bowl if that they won't get the necessary amount twice a day - you never know how much water they will drink. 
                     
                    Pills, syringing or the mixing with a little wet or baby food allows you to make sure they get the necessary full dose twice a day.
                     
                    Good luck




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                  • catatonya
                    I mix it with everything, but Sneaker won t eat in front of me. When I leave the room I know he goes in and eats some because he comes out and starts
                    Message 9 of 30 , Jan 17, 2009
                      I mix it with everything, but Sneaker won't eat in front of me. When I leave the room I know he goes in and eats some because he comes out and starts grooming. I just have no idea how much he is eating.......

                      tonya

                      Cathy Campbell <cje1960@...> wrote:
                      Have you mixed it with baby food? I would crush the lysine and mix with food and chicken baby food. I also used homemade chicken broth and water to make it more of a liquid consistency.

                      A cat groomer in town told me that she puts the lysine in water for cats but I don't know if you lose the effectiveness with that.
                      Cathy

                      --- On Sat, 1/10/09, catatonya <catatonya@...> wrote:

                      From: catatonya <catatonya@...>
                      Subject: Re: [felineherpes]feline herpes Re: herpes and steroids for sneaker-update
                      To: felineherpes@yahoogroups.com
                      Date: Saturday, January 10, 2009, 5:04 PM

                      We are at the same place with Sneaker. He did not get a steroid on his last visit, but we did give him another convenia (sp?) shot. This time it doesn't seem to be helping as much. I really think lysine would help him if I could just get him to take it. Would it be ok to dissolve the lysine into the water dishes?

                      I cannot pill him with such big pills, and he refuses wet food with the powder in it. The vet also said he was concerned that Sneaker's temp was a little low. They did a new cbc, blood panel, etc.... and all was well with those kinds of things.

                      He doesn't act like he feels bad, but I think he must since he is so congested most of the time. :(

                      tonya

                      stephanief101400 <savvyewe@gmail. com> wrote:
                      If either of those is a steroid, then NO to that. Steroids will
                      trigger a flare up, which is what we're trying to avoid. We did the
                      Covenia shot on Hannah and she was wiped out for the first week, then
                      slowly started coming back to normal the 2nd week. She'd have to be
                      really bad off before I choose that route again.

                      If you're just dealing with sneezing and breathing problems with no
                      colored discharge, I would look into some holistic treatments such as
                      the calendula drops or the meds from Pet Alive,
                      http://www.nativere medies.com/ petalive/ fcvprotect- prevent-cat- flu-fever. html
                      .... Once Hannah gets over this bought of pseudomonas, that's the route
                      we're going.

                      **The link to Pet Alive is for the FCV. I'm not sure if this is the
                      best treatment for your kitty, but you can email them the symptoms of
                      your cat and they will tell you which is the best one they have for him.

                      Stephanie

                      --- In felineherpes@ yahoogroups. com, catatonya <catatonya@. ..> wrote:
                      >
                      > My vet has suggested trying depomedrol or dexamthenone. (I don't
                      remember which) for my herpes cat that has nasal/breathing issues. Is
                      this something I should refuse. We just tried a shot of convenia, and
                      it seems to be helping. The last time we did a swab test there was no
                      bacterial infection, but that was a while ago. We did not do one with
                      this flare up, we just decided to try the convenia. It seems to be
                      helping him breathe better.
                      > tonya

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                    • catatonya
                      I have the powdered, and I put it on wet food. I just have no way of knowing how much Sneaker gets because I have 6 cats and he won t eat in front of me. :(
                      Message 10 of 30 , Jan 17, 2009
                        I have the powdered, and I put it on wet food. I just have no way of knowing how much Sneaker gets because I have 6 cats and he won't eat in front of me. :( I know he eats some, but I don't think it's the necessary amount. I have pills too, but they are so large I hate to give those to him. He is a very small guy and hates being medicated.
                        tonya

                        stephanief101400 <savvyewe@...> wrote:
                        I buy the powdered form and mix it with canned food. Hannah doesn't
                        even know it's in there! I've also crushed tablets between two spoons
                        and mixed it with canned food with good success. If you can't find
                        powdered sold separately, you can get the capsules, break open the
                        capsule and pour the powder out in the food.

                        Stephanie

                        --- In felineherpes@yahoogroups.com, catatonya <catatonya@...> wrote:
                        >
                        > We are at the same place with Sneaker. He did not get a steroid on
                        his last visit, but we did give him another convenia (sp?) shot. This
                        time it doesn't seem to be helping as much. I really think lysine
                        would help him if I could just get him to take it. Would it be ok to
                        dissolve the lysine into the water dishes?







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                      • catatonya
                        Has anyone ever put their herpes cat on interferon? Did it make a difference? thanks, tonya stephanief101400 wrote: I buy the powdered
                        Message 11 of 30 , Jan 17, 2009
                          Has anyone ever put their herpes cat on interferon? Did it make a difference?

                          thanks,
                          tonya

                          stephanief101400 <savvyewe@...> wrote:
                          I buy the powdered form and mix it with canned food. Hannah doesn't
                          even know it's in there! I've also crushed tablets between two spoons
                          and mixed it with canned food with good success. If you can't find
                          powdered sold separately, you can get the capsules, break open the
                          capsule and pour the powder out in the food.

                          Stephanie

                          --- In felineherpes@yahoogroups.com, catatonya <catatonya@...> wrote:
                          >
                          > We are at the same place with Sneaker. He did not get a steroid on
                          his last visit, but we did give him another convenia (sp?) shot. This
                          time it doesn't seem to be helping as much. I really think lysine
                          would help him if I could just get him to take it. Would it be ok to
                          dissolve the lysine into the water dishes?







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                        • catatonya
                          I ve tried babyfood, fancy feast, and tuna. If he eats it I don t see it..... I m going to try something I saw on another list (I think). Blend salmon with
                          Message 12 of 30 , Jan 17, 2009
                            I've tried babyfood, fancy feast, and tuna. If he eats it I don't see it..... I'm going to try something I saw on another list (I think). Blend salmon with cat milk as a treat and see if any bowls get licked clean that way.............

                            My problem is I need Sneaker on no grain (evidently), but I also have a crf cat so we have to eat renal food. I also have a cat who is hyper-t and needs to gain weight. So feeding is definitely a problem around here.

                            thank you,
                            tonya

                            Anyes <anyes@...> wrote:
                            Another option is to mix the crushed lysine with a little babyfood. My
                            cats loved it that way. I gave it to them from a tablespoon and they
                            licked it off the spoon. Of course, I made a big deal of calling it a
                            special kitty treat to add to the mystique. I used meat in gravy, their
                            favorite being turkey or chicken in gravy.
                            They looked forward to it before their meal in the evening.

                            Anyes

                            stephanief101400 wrote:

                            >I buy the powdered form and mix it with canned food. Hannah doesn't
                            >even know it's in there! I've also crushed tablets between two spoons
                            >and mixed it with canned food with good success. If you can't find
                            >powdered sold separately, you can get the capsules, break open the
                            >capsule and pour the powder out in the food.
                            >
                            >Stephanie
                            >
                            >--- In felineherpes@yahoogroups.com, catatonya <catatonya@...> wrote:
                            >
                            >
                            >>We are at the same place with Sneaker. He did not get a steroid on
                            >>
                            >>
                            >his last visit, but we did give him another convenia (sp?) shot. This
                            >time it doesn't seem to be helping as much. I really think lysine
                            >would help him if I could just get him to take it. Would it be ok to
                            >dissolve the lysine into the water dishes?
                            >
                            >
                            >
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                            >http://eattheapple.com/kitty/ our kitty cats
                            >http://www.thensome.com/pethealth.htm
                            >http://www.thensome.com/herpes.htm
                            >http://www.thensome.com/herpes.htm
                            >http://www.thensome.com/felinehealthlinks.htmYahoo! Groups Links
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                          • Mary Smith
                            Tonya, could you try mixing the desired amount of powdered Lysine into just a tablespoon or so of wet food? Then you could put Sneaker in a room by himself
                            Message 13 of 30 , Jan 17, 2009
                              Tonya, could you try mixing the desired amount of powdered Lysine into just a tablespoon or so of wet food? Then you could put Sneaker in a room by himself to finish that small amount. I feed all of my cats canned food twice a day but only one of them really NEEDS to get Lysine so I put her in the powder room with her dose mixed into a tiny amount of food. She finishes it quickly and then goes to finish her meal with the rest of the gang in the kitchen. 
                               
                              Mary
                               
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                              From: catatonya <catatonya@...>
                              To: felineherpes@yahoogroups.com
                              Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 7:07:08 AM
                              Subject: Re: [felineherpes]feline herpes Lysine--Tonya
                              I have the powdered, and I put it on wet food. I just have no way of knowing how much Sneaker gets because I have 6 cats and he won't eat in front of me. :( I know he eats some, but I don't think it's the necessary amount. I have pills too, but they are so large I hate to give those to him. He is a very small guy and hates being medicated.




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                            • Rosemary Kendrick
                              This interesting veterinary site presents several options for feline herpesvirus: http://www.veterinarypartner.com/Content.plx?P=A&A=1327 Included in the
                              Message 14 of 30 , Jan 17, 2009
                                This interesting veterinary site presents several options for feline herpesvirus:

                                http://www.veterinarypartner.com/Content.plx?P=A&A=1327




                                Included in the options is the following:



                                Oral Interferon



                                "This inexpensive oral solution uses a natural immune system modulator to suppress herpesvirus symptoms. Though interferon use has not been scientifically tested, it has certainly been in use for many years as something that seems to help shorten the course of infection. In tissue culture, herpes infected cells are inhibited much more easily by anti-viral drugs if they are exposed concurrently to interferon. Interferon has no side effects potential at the doses used and it appears there is no reason not to try it as it may be helpful."




                                ----- Original Message -----
                                From: catatonya
                                To: felineherpes@yahoogroups.com
                                Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 7:08 AM
                                Subject: [felineherpes]feline herpes Interferon for herpes


                                Has anyone ever put their herpes cat on interferon? Did it make a difference?

                                thanks,
                                tonya

                                stephanief101400 <savvyewe@...> wrote:
                                I buy the powdered form and mix it with canned food. Hannah doesn't
                                even know it's in there! I've also crushed tablets between two spoons
                                and mixed it with canned food with good success. If you can't find
                                powdered sold separately, you can get the capsules, break open the
                                capsule and pour the powder out in the food.

                                Stephanie

                                --- In felineherpes@yahoogroups.com, catatonya <catatonya@...> wrote:
                                >
                                > We are at the same place with Sneaker. He did not get a steroid on
                                his last visit, but we did give him another convenia (sp?) shot. This
                                time it doesn't seem to be helping as much. I really think lysine
                                would help him if I could just get him to take it. Would it be ok to
                                dissolve the lysine into the water dishes?

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                              • Melinda Iley-Dohn
                                I can t get my kitty to eat food with anything added to it but I have managed to get her to swallow the gel which I get cheaper from Amazon.com than from my
                                Message 15 of 30 , Jan 17, 2009
                                  I can't get my kitty to eat food with anything added to it but I have managed to
                                  get her to swallow the gel which I get cheaper from Amazon.com than from my
                                  vet. The vet charges 18 dollars for a five ounce tube! Amazon has it for about eight
                                  for a tube of the same size. I got a hypo without a needle (of course) from the vet
                                  and have found that kitty tolerates this if I shoot it down her throat. She whines
                                  but she doesn't fight and has a pleased look on her face when she licks her
                                  mouth afterward. I think she likes the taste.

                                  Melinda

                                  Mary Smith <bourbonbabe22@...> wrote:
                                  Tonya, could you try mixing the desired amount of powdered Lysine into just a tablespoon or so of wet food? Then you could put Sneaker in a room by himself to finish that small amount. I feed all of my cats canned food twice a day but only one of them really NEEDS to get Lysine so I put her in the powder room with her dose mixed into a tiny amount of food. She finishes it quickly and then goes to finish her meal with the rest of the gang in the kitchen.

                                  Mary

                                  ~~~~~
                                  www.babysites.com/sites/mnelson

                                  ________________________________

                                  From: catatonya <catatonya@...>
                                  To: felineherpes@yahoogroups.com
                                  Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 7:07:08 AM
                                  Subject: Re: [felineherpes]feline herpes Lysine--Tonya
                                  I have the powdered, and I put it on wet food. I just have no way of knowing how much Sneaker gets because I have 6 cats and he won't eat in front of me. :( I know he eats some, but I don't think it's the necessary amount. I have pills too, but they are so large I hate to give those to him. He is a very small guy and hates being medicated.

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                                  Melinda Iley-Dohn
                                  Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
                                  Benjamin Franklin Historical Review of Pennsylvania 1759












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                                • Ruth Ann Larson
                                  Hi Tonya, If you re not familiar with http://www.felinecrf.org/ check it out. Latest thinking seems to be that crf kitties don t need to be kept to a
                                  Message 16 of 30 , Jan 17, 2009
                                    Hi Tonya,

                                    If you're not familiar with http://www.felinecrf.org/ check it out.
                                    Latest thinking seems to be that crf kitties don't need to be kept to a
                                    low-protein diet, but do as well on high-quality protein foods. They
                                    *do* need to keep phosphorus levels controlled - this can be done by
                                    adding an inexpensive phosphorus binder (often aluminum hydroxide) to
                                    their food.

                                    Having been there with a crf kitty...

                                    Ruth Ann

                                    catatonya wrote:

                                    > but I also have a
                                    > crf cat so we have to eat renal food.
                                    > thank you,
                                    > tonya
                                    >
                                  • Anyes
                                    Hi Tonya, I keep the babyfood (turkey in gravy usually) in the ref. It becomes stiff. I mix one tablespoon with the lysine (and echinace when I give it). It
                                    Message 17 of 30 , Jan 17, 2009
                                      Hi Tonya,
                                      I keep the babyfood (turkey in gravy usually) in the ref. It becomes
                                      stiff. I mix one tablespoon with the lysine (and echinace when I give
                                      it). It sticks to the spoons once mixed because it is semi hard. My
                                      cats lick it off the spoon. They view it as a special treat and look
                                      forward to it and I know who ate it that way. They line up at the ref.
                                      to wait for their treat. I don't know if your kitty would lick the
                                      spoon or if you put him in a room by himself wtih the mixed babyfood on
                                      a plate for a short time, you could see if he eats it. Just a thought.
                                      I know it's hard wtih multiple cats. I have 4 so I have to be devious
                                      wtih them to get them to eat what they need to :)

                                      Anyes
                                      > I have the powdered, and I put it on wet food. I just have no way of knowing how much Sneaker gets because I have 6 cats and he won't eat in front of me. :( I know he eats some, but I don't think it's the necessary amount. I have pills too, but they are so large I hate to give those to him. He is a very small guy and hates being medicated.
                                      >
                                      >
                                      >
                                    • bach_up
                                      Tonya, Jazzpurr s regimen is to have 1 ml of liquid interferon once a day for one week, off it for one week, on the next week, as long as he is symptomatic
                                      Message 18 of 30 , Jan 17, 2009
                                        Tonya,

                                        Jazzpurr's regimen is to have 1 ml of liquid interferon once a day
                                        for one week, off it for one week, on the next week, as long as he
                                        is symptomatic (which is always).

                                        He gets L-lysine twice a day; 500 mg each time if his symptoms are
                                        severe, 250 each if mild. I buy the NOW brand 500 mg capsules,
                                        which are easy to open and dump the powder in a shot glass - I use
                                        one that's rounded rather than flat inside on the bottom for ease of
                                        syringing. I use disposable plastic 3 ml dose syringes (my vet
                                        provides them free). After I dump in the powdered l-lsyine, I add 3
                                        ml of spring water, stir, let dissolve, stir again, then fill the
                                        syringe. I add 3ml of water to what's left in the glass so I can
                                        get every little bit into the kitty. JP is a ragdoll, hence, very
                                        laid-back about medications, probably because he's been treated
                                        since kittenhood for FRH. I hold him like a baby, tummy up, aim the
                                        syringe behind his canines, and this prompts him to starts licking
                                        to lap it down before the fluid even hits his tongue! I release the
                                        meds slowly so he has time to swallow. He gets 2 syringes to clean
                                        up everything in the shot glass, so he's also getting 6 ml hydration
                                        twice a day. Jazzpurr also has CRF, so that's a bonus on top of
                                        subq fluids every 5 days. I've also used clam juice or chicken
                                        broth (no onion or seasonings), which work fine, but he doesn't seem
                                        to mind the taste of l-lysine so water is the simplest and cheapest
                                        solution.

                                        Another med I've been using daily for congestion is Chlorpheniramine
                                        Maleate - 1/2 of a 4 mg tablet twice a day for severe symptoms, 1/4
                                        tablet for mild. This one tastes terrible and made him foam at the
                                        mouth at first, but since I've discovered the Greenies pill pockets,
                                        I just pinch off a piece, surround the pill with a light coating,
                                        and pop it in his mouth - no problem! Same with enalapril, which he
                                        takes for CRF, improved blood flow to the kidneys.

                                        JP has had FRH since birth, but the symptoms got really bad when I
                                        moved to a new townhome in 2005. It might be the blown-air heat,
                                        compared to radioators at the old place. I installed a humidifier
                                        on my heating system and also run one in the bedroom at night (for
                                        me, as well as the cat!). For really bad flareups, I give him hot
                                        compresses on his face (washcloth saturated with hot water) and also
                                        have tried nose drops - Little Noses is the brand my vet ok'd but
                                        it's hard to administer more than one, and it has to be done as
                                        a "sneak attack" or he jerks his head away.

                                        Gee, I really went way beyond your original question, but this is
                                        what it takes on a daily basis to maintain my cat. Otherwise, I
                                        honestly don't think he'd be able to breathe. It's very cyclical -
                                        he has good weeks, and bad weeks, and it's probably exacerbated by
                                        trips to the vet tech for his subq fluids every 5 days. If I were
                                        able to administer those alone at home, we could avoid stressing him.

                                        Hope some of this information is helpful! Good luck with treating
                                        your kitty.

                                        Candae

                                        --- In felineherpes@yahoogroups.com, "Rosemary Kendrick"
                                        <rosemary@...> wrote:
                                        >
                                        >
                                        > This interesting veterinary site presents several options for
                                        feline herpesvirus:
                                        >
                                        > http://www.veterinarypartner.com/Content.plx?P=A&A=1327
                                        >
                                        >
                                        >
                                        >
                                        > Included in the options is the following:
                                        >
                                        >
                                        >
                                        > Oral Interferon
                                        >
                                        >
                                        >
                                        > "This inexpensive oral solution uses a natural immune system
                                        modulator to suppress herpesvirus symptoms. Though interferon use
                                        has not been scientifically tested, it has certainly been in use for
                                        many years as something that seems to help shorten the course of
                                        infection. In tissue culture, herpes infected cells are inhibited
                                        much more easily by anti-viral drugs if they are exposed
                                        concurrently to interferon. Interferon has no side effects
                                        potential at the doses used and it appears there is no reason not to
                                        try it as it may be helpful."
                                        >
                                        >
                                        >
                                        >
                                        > ----- Original Message -----
                                        > From: catatonya
                                        > To: felineherpes@yahoogroups.com
                                        > Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 7:08 AM
                                        > Subject: [felineherpes]feline herpes Interferon for herpes
                                        >
                                        >
                                        > Has anyone ever put their herpes cat on interferon? Did it make
                                        a difference?
                                        >
                                        > thanks,
                                        > tonya
                                        >
                                        > stephanief101400 <savvyewe@...> wrote:
                                        > I buy the powdered form and mix it with canned food. Hannah
                                        doesn't
                                        > even know it's in there! I've also crushed tablets between two
                                        spoons
                                        > and mixed it with canned food with good success. If you can't
                                        find
                                        > powdered sold separately, you can get the capsules, break open
                                        the
                                        > capsule and pour the powder out in the food.
                                        >
                                        > Stephanie
                                        >
                                        > --- In felineherpes@yahoogroups.com, catatonya <catatonya@>
                                        wrote:
                                        > >
                                        > > We are at the same place with Sneaker. He did not get a
                                        steroid on
                                        > his last visit, but we did give him another convenia (sp?) shot.
                                        This
                                        > time it doesn't seem to be helping as much. I really think
                                        lysine
                                        > would help him if I could just get him to take it. Would it be
                                        ok to
                                        > dissolve the lysine into the water dishes?
                                        >
                                        > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                                        >
                                        >
                                        >
                                        >
                                        >
                                        > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                                        >
                                      • catatonya
                                        I m going to buy more baby food and try that again. Sneaker has been hangin out with me more than usual lately, so it s easier to catch him. I do have to
                                        Message 19 of 30 , Jan 18, 2009
                                          I'm going to buy more baby food and try that again. Sneaker has been 'hangin out' with me more than usual lately, so it's easier to catch him. I do have to get in the bed and have the medicine with me and then 'trick' him when he jumps up here and lays down....... argh..
                                          tonya

                                          Lisa Smith <knitwitch123@...> wrote:
                                          Two more options: buy Viralysis which is lysine in a gel form, supposedly it tastes ok/good to them and you syringe in into their mouths. It is more expensive than the powder. An option in-between the two is to mix the powdered lysine with water (or perhaps broth) and syringe it into their mouth. That way you know they are getting their dose.

                                          I think others have already suggested the mixing with wet food or mixing with baby food.

                                          The problem with mixing with water in their water bowl if that they won't get the necessary amount twice a day - you never know how much water they will drink.

                                          Pills, syringing or the mixing with a little wet or baby food allows you to make sure they get the necessary full dose twice a day.

                                          Good luck

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                                        • catatonya
                                          Thank you! Has anyone used it with good results. I think I ll ask my vet about it. tonya Rosemary Kendrick wrote: This interesting
                                          Message 20 of 30 , Jan 18, 2009
                                            Thank you! Has anyone used it with good results. I think I'll ask my vet about it.
                                            tonya

                                            Rosemary Kendrick <rosemary@...> wrote:

                                            This interesting veterinary site presents several options for feline herpesvirus:

                                            http://www.veterinarypartner.com/Content.plx?P=A&A=1327

                                            Included in the options is the following:

                                            Oral Interferon

                                            "This inexpensive oral solution uses a natural immune system modulator to suppress herpesvirus symptoms. Though interferon use has not been scientifically tested, it has certainly been in use for many years as something that seems to help shorten the course of infection. In tissue culture, herpes infected cells are inhibited much more easily by anti-viral drugs if they are exposed concurrently to interferon. Interferon has no side effects potential at the doses used and it appears there is no reason not to try it as it may be helpful."

                                            ----- Original Message -----
                                            From: catatonya
                                            To: felineherpes@yahoogroups.com
                                            Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 7:08 AM
                                            Subject: [felineherpes]feline herpes Interferon for herpes

                                            Has anyone ever put their herpes cat on interferon? Did it make a difference?

                                            thanks,
                                            tonya

                                            stephanief101400 <savvyewe@...> wrote:
                                            I buy the powdered form and mix it with canned food. Hannah doesn't
                                            even know it's in there! I've also crushed tablets between two spoons
                                            and mixed it with canned food with good success. If you can't find
                                            powdered sold separately, you can get the capsules, break open the
                                            capsule and pour the powder out in the food.

                                            Stephanie

                                            --- In felineherpes@yahoogroups.com, catatonya <catatonya@...> wrote:
                                            >
                                            > We are at the same place with Sneaker. He did not get a steroid on
                                            his last visit, but we did give him another convenia (sp?) shot. This
                                            time it doesn't seem to be helping as much. I really think lysine
                                            would help him if I could just get him to take it. Would it be ok to
                                            dissolve the lysine into the water dishes?

                                            [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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                                          • catatonya
                                            What would I look for at amazon. just lysine gel . The problem with sneaker is that all methods work 2 or 3 times. Then he gets wise to me and stays hidden.
                                            Message 21 of 30 , Jan 18, 2009
                                              What would I look for at amazon. just 'lysine gel'.

                                              The problem with sneaker is that all methods work 2 or 3 times. Then he gets wise to me and stays hidden. (that's how he got his name.)

                                              tonya

                                              Melinda Iley-Dohn <Iley_dohn@...> wrote:
                                              I can't get my kitty to eat food with anything added to it but I have managed to
                                              get her to swallow the gel which I get cheaper from Amazon.com than from my
                                              vet. The vet charges 18 dollars for a five ounce tube! Amazon has it for about eight
                                              for a tube of the same size. I got a hypo without a needle (of course) from the vet
                                              and have found that kitty tolerates this if I shoot it down her throat. She whines
                                              but she doesn't fight and has a pleased look on her face when she licks her
                                              mouth afterward. I think she likes the taste.

                                              Melinda

                                              Mary Smith <bourbonbabe22@...> wrote:
                                              Tonya, could you try mixing the desired amount of powdered Lysine into just a tablespoon or so of wet food? Then you could put Sneaker in a room by himself to finish that small amount. I feed all of my cats canned food twice a day but only one of them really NEEDS to get Lysine so I put her in the powder room with her dose mixed into a tiny amount of food. She finishes it quickly and then goes to finish her meal with the rest of the gang in the kitchen.

                                              Mary

                                              ~~~~~
                                              www.babysites.com/sites/mnelson

                                              ________________________________

                                              From: catatonya <catatonya@...>
                                              To: felineherpes@yahoogroups.com
                                              Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 7:07:08 AM
                                              Subject: Re: [felineherpes]feline herpes Lysine--Tonya
                                              I have the powdered, and I put it on wet food. I just have no way of knowing how much Sneaker gets because I have 6 cats and he won't eat in front of me. :( I know he eats some, but I don't think it's the necessary amount. I have pills too, but they are so large I hate to give those to him. He is a very small guy and hates being medicated.

                                              [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

                                              Melinda Iley-Dohn
                                              Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
                                              Benjamin Franklin Historical Review of Pennsylvania 1759



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                                            • catatonya
                                              Thanks, I m on that list as well as having a hyper-t cat and an felv positive cat. So I have my hands full trying to medicate them all and feed them all the
                                              Message 22 of 30 , Jan 18, 2009
                                                Thanks, I'm on that list as well as having a hyper-t cat and an felv positive cat. So I have my hands full trying to medicate them all and feed them all the right food, additives, etc....

                                                My main problem is I live by myself, and if the cats won't come to me, or come for food (because they think I'm going to medicate them) I can't catch them without an all out chase around the house which is stressful for everyone.

                                                tonya

                                                Ruth Ann Larson <ralarson99@...> wrote:
                                                Hi Tonya,

                                                If you're not familiar with http://www.felinecrf.org/ check it out.
                                                Latest thinking seems to be that crf kitties don't need to be kept to a
                                                low-protein diet, but do as well on high-quality protein foods. They
                                                *do* need to keep phosphorus levels controlled - this can be done by
                                                adding an inexpensive phosphorus binder (often aluminum hydroxide) to
                                                their food.

                                                Having been there with a crf kitty...

                                                Ruth Ann

                                                catatonya wrote:

                                                > but I also have a
                                                > crf cat so we have to eat renal food.
                                                > thank you,
                                                > tonya
                                                >







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                                              • Ruth Ann Larson
                                                The gels I see at Amazon say topical use only . I d be a little cautious about giving them internally. Do you have a contents listing for them, and I wonder
                                                Message 23 of 30 , Jan 18, 2009
                                                  The gels I see at Amazon say "topical use only". I'd be a little
                                                  cautious about giving them internally. Do you have a contents listing
                                                  for them, and I wonder about the licorice in the label.

                                                  Ruth Ann

                                                  catatonya wrote:
                                                  >
                                                  >
                                                  > What would I look for at amazon. just 'lysine gel'.
                                                  >
                                                  > The problem with sneaker is that all methods work 2 or 3 times. Then he
                                                  > gets wise to me and stays hidden. (that's how he got his name.)
                                                  >
                                                • catatonya
                                                  I m going to try the NOW capsules. I need something I can be sure he takes. Sprinkling on food has been iffy, and all the pills I ve had have been too big to
                                                  Message 24 of 30 , Jan 18, 2009
                                                    I'm going to try the NOW capsules. I need something I can be sure he takes. Sprinkling on food has been iffy, and all the pills I've had have been too big to pill him with. (If he'll let me pill him). Someone else mentioned the gel. I haven't checked that out yet. I thought I'd try the capsules and interferon first.

                                                    Thanks to everyone for your help! I'll let you know how it goes. (fingers crossed)
                                                    tonya

                                                    Ruth Ann Larson <ralarson99@...> wrote:
                                                    The gels I see at Amazon say "topical use only". I'd be a little
                                                    cautious about giving them internally. Do you have a contents listing
                                                    for them, and I wonder about the licorice in the label.

                                                    Ruth Ann

                                                    catatonya wrote:
                                                    >
                                                    >
                                                    > What would I look for at amazon. just 'lysine gel'.
                                                    >
                                                    > The problem with sneaker is that all methods work 2 or 3 times. Then he
                                                    > gets wise to me and stays hidden. (that's how he got his name.)
                                                    >







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