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Re: [feline-heart] My Experience w/ Propanolol, Atenolol, & Diltiazem

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  • Voula Augerinos
    Hi Joe, thank you for your message. I think I read somewhere that beta blockers should be used with caution in CHF (congestive heart failure). I will look at
    Message 1 of 24 , Nov 1, 2000
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      Hi Joe,
      thank you for your message. I think I read somewhere that beta
      blockers should be used with caution in CHF (congestive heart failure). I
      will look at the site and write again. I think it said that they can worsen
      heart failure.

      > My feelings are that if your cat has not been in CHF then the beta
      > blockers (Propanolol/Atenolol) can keep HCM in check but if your cat
      > has had CHF episode, then a calcium channel blocker(Diltiazem) is the
      > better choice.

      Pebbles has not been in CHF.

      > Diltiazem also has some anti-clotting properties which
      > is good thing, while the beta blockers can restrict blood vessels
      > which is a bad thing if clot is thrown.

      That is interesting. I will look into this and ask the vet.

      > I will have to say that beta
      > blockers (Propanolol and to a lesser extent Atenolol) are much better
      > at treating arrhythmia which is a major cause of clot formation.

      For Pebbles the specialist said he wanted to lower her heart rate and
      hopefully that would help the heart.
      I am still learning about heart disease in cats. I don't know very
      much so I am sorry if I can't explain myself too well.

      Love, Voula and Pebbles and Lucy and my Beautiful Angel Sachie.
    • Mike & Linda Irrgang (Now in Jamaica!)
      Voula, I ll be praying for you and Pebbles in my thoughts and prayers. Pumpkin, Max and Linda ... From: Voula Augerinos [mailto:catwoman1@iprimus.com.au] Sent:
      Message 2 of 24 , Nov 3, 2000
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        Voula,
        I'll be praying for you and Pebbles in my thoughts and prayers.

        Pumpkin, Max and Linda
        -----Original Message-----
        From: Voula Augerinos [mailto:catwoman1@...]
        Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 10:38 PM
        To: feline-heart@egroups.com
        Subject: Re: [feline-heart] Re: Diltiazem--Voula


        Hi there Jeanne,
        another positive and hopeful message. Thank you. And thank you for
        saying that the anxiety eases. Yes I have noticed Pebbles has been a bit
        less active lately. I also thought that because over the past few months
        before Sachie died, that it was because Sachie was sick, because she used
        to get Pebbles to play with her. I think that is true, because before
        Pebbles would tear around a million miles an hour chasing Sachie. But I
        also think that her heart could be a factor too. Well everyone, I am soon
        to give Pebbles her first tablet (one quarter of a propranolol). Wish us
        well. I think Pebbles will be okay, but I am going to need something
        myself!
        Love, Voula and Pebbles and my Beautiful Angel Sachie.

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        > From: Jeanne Warner <jwarner310@...>
        > To: feline-heart@egroups.com
        > Subject: [feline-heart] Re: Diltiazem--Voula
        > Date: Friday, 20 October , 2000 12:28 PM
        >
        > Hi!
        > I too have a cat, Dom, who is 5 years old and was diagnosed with HCM
        > almost 1 year ago. He takes Diltiazem and Enalarpril. We did try baby
        > aspirin for him but had to discontinue it because it caused him to
        > throw up most every day. He has had 2 ultrasounds so far and the
        > second 1 showed that there has been no farther deterioration and his
        > heart rate was lower. The Enlarpril was added after the second
        > ultrasound and we will return for the next ultrasound in January. I
        > will be anxious to see if there have been any changes. We do see our
        > regular vet in between the cardiologist check ups. She did a chem
        > profile to check for renal function and it was fine. So, all has been
        > going very well for Dom since his diagnosis. We have noticed that he
        > became alot more active after being on the meds. He stated running
        > and jumping again. Cardiologist says it is because he feels better.
        >
        > We all live with the fear of blood clots, kidney problems etc. but it
        > does become less stressful as the time goes by. At first, I just
        > watched him waiting for something bad to happen but now we know that
        > we are doing everything we can for him and that is all that we can
        > do. Of course this is easier to say when he has been doing so well.
        > It does help if you have a good vet that you trust and a good
        > cardiologist. Dom and I are lucky to have both!
        >
        > Good luck to you and Pebbles,
        > Jeanne & Dom
        >
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        >
        > --- In feline-heart@egroups.com, "Jonathan Rosenberg" <jr40@r...>
        > wrote:
        > > > -----Original Message-----
        > > > From: Melinda Bruno [mailto:brunobaby@a...]
        > > > Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 10:54 AM
        > > > To: feline-heart@egroups.com
        > > > Subject: [feline-heart] Re: Diltiazem--Voula
        > >
        > > > The cardiologist recommended enalapril (Vasotec), which is an ACE
        > > > Inhibitor.
        > >
        > > This is the same drug as enacard, which is what Lynx takes.
        > >
        > > > If you've heard that this drug is not recommended for kidney
        > > > patients, it's because it "cuts" the communication between
        > > > the heart and the kidneys. Meaning that the kidneys yell "more
        > > > blood!" and the heart doesn't hear them. This means less work
        > > > for the heart, which is good for a heart patient, but could be
        > > > bad for the kidneys.
        > >
        > > I asked our vet about this a few weeks agio. She said that when
        > enalapril
        > > was first introduced, this was everyone's fear. But she said that
        > the
        > > latest research had shown that the drug actually appears to be less
        > > troublesome for the kidneys than ohter treatments.
        > >
        > > Just another data point ...
        > >
        > > > --Melinda and Pongo
        > >
        > > --
        > > JR
        > > & Tabby (RB), Licorice, Tigger, Lynx
        >
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