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Chief's heart update

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  • Debbie
    Chief still has a slight murmur, the vet said he probably had it last time but since it comes and goes, when they tested it last time it wasn t noticeable, so
    Message 1 of 5 , Dec 3, 2002
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      Chief still has a slight murmur, the vet said he probably had it last
      time but since it comes and goes, when they tested it last time it
      wasn't noticeable, so it sounded like he didn't have one. It's not
      the mitral valve that's causing the murmur now, it's a little cord
      like thing off the heart that gets swept into the passage of blood
      flow. His left ventricle is good and on the smaller size which they
      want it to be, and the thickening is almost in the normal range which
      is very good. She doesn't want him gaining any more weight, and she
      said it was ok and if my vet felt comfortable with it, that Chief
      could be put under to get his teeth done when they get bad enough.
      She said that's not her specialty but she said his teeth looked good
      so far and not to worry about it. She said if it was her cat she
      would not be afraid to put him under, with his "type" of condition he
      is at a 1% more risk compared to a different heart problem. Here's
      what she wants my vet to see: He has a slightly increased risk for a
      dental compared to a cat without heart disease. However, he will
      handle most anesthetic protocols very well if Dr. McNutt feels the
      dental is necessary at this time. We would avoid ketamine or
      barbiturates. Protocol would be very safe as would other protocols
      that we can discuss with Dr. McNutt.

      Debbie and Chief
    • Lynnie Henderson
      Ask your vet about putting Chief under with gas. We did that with my kit - apparently it s not as hard on the heart
      Message 2 of 5 , Dec 3, 2002
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        Ask your vet about putting Chief under with gas. We did that with my kit -
        apparently it's not as hard on the heart
      • Sally J.Smith
        Muffin s vet uses ONLY gas...it is much easier to control the level of knock-out ...not sure how to say this in techno-speak... she said that she can use a
        Message 3 of 5 , Dec 3, 2002
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          Muffin's vet uses ONLY gas...it is much easier to control the level of
          "knock-out"...not sure how to say this in techno-speak...

          she said that she can use a stronger flow to put them under, then once
          down, can alter the flow to keep them just under enough for whatever
          proceedure she is doing. She also always works with an assistant who
          is always monitoring BP and O2 and other vitals. Also, once she is
          done, the gas is turned off and the gas starts clearing the
          bloodstream VERY quickly...the animal wakes up much more quickly and
          is much less groggy...usually recovery is complete in about 6
          hours..at least it was for Muffin.

          Teeth cleaning is especially important for heart patients, apparently.
          There was even a recent human study that found a link between dental
          hygene and heart conditions...apparently either the bacteria itself or
          the toxins they exude are harder on cardiac patients' immune
          systems...

          One positive note...CoQ10, which is beneficial for heart health is
          also great support for gum health...which is where I think they first
          started noticing the link between teeth and heart health.

          Go for the gas if you have any concerns...also, you might find a
          dental vet in your area...a specialist...they are out there.

          Good luck and keep us posted!

          Sally




          --- In feline-heart@y..., Lynnie Henderson <TheLinster@s...> wrote:
          > Ask your vet about putting Chief under with gas. We did that with my
          kit -
          > apparently it's not as hard on the heart
        • Debbie (Debsie)
          Thanks for the info. I wonder why his cardiologists didn t suggest that. Chief is so gentle that I teased with her and said can t they give him a local and
          Message 4 of 5 , Dec 4, 2002
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            Thanks for the info. I wonder why his cardiologists didn't suggest that. Chief is so gentle that I teased with her and said can't they give him a local and do his teeth? He will let you open his mouth and do whatever.......lol.....I open his mouth to check his teeth and I also brush his teth.
            Debbie
            "Sally J.Smith" <sallymerlin@...> wrote:Muffin's vet uses ONLY gas...it is much easier to control the level of
            "knock-out"...not sure how to say this in techno-speak...

            she said that she can use a stronger flow to put them under, then once
            down, can alter the flow to keep them just under enough for whatever
            proceedure she is doing. She also always works with an assistant who
            is always monitoring BP and O2 and other vitals. Also, once she is
            done, the gas is turned off and the gas starts clearing the
            bloodstream VERY quickly...the animal wakes up much more quickly and
            is much less groggy...usually recovery is complete in about 6
            hours..at least it was for Muffin.

            Teeth cleaning is especially important for heart patients, apparently.
            There was even a recent human study that found a link between dental
            hygene and heart conditions...apparently either the bacteria itself or
            the toxins they exude are harder on cardiac patients' immune
            systems...

            One positive note...CoQ10, which is beneficial for heart health is
            also great support for gum health...which is where I think they first
            started noticing the link between teeth and heart health.

            Go for the gas if you have any concerns...also, you might find a
            dental vet in your area...a specialist...they are out there.

            Good luck and keep us posted!

            Sally




            --- In feline-heart@y..., Lynnie Henderson <TheLinster@s...> wrote:
            > Ask your vet about putting Chief under with gas. We did that with my
            kit -
            > apparently it's not as hard on the heart


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          • Debbie (Debsie)
            Thanks Lynnie, I will ask about that. Deb Lynnie Henderson wrote:Ask your vet about putting Chief under with gas. We did that with
            Message 5 of 5 , Dec 4, 2002
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              Thanks Lynnie, I will ask about that.
              Deb
              Lynnie Henderson <TheLinster@...> wrote:Ask your vet about putting Chief under with gas. We did that with my kit -
              apparently it's not as hard on the heart


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