Re: [FH] labored breathing
- Hi Debra- My cat was diagnosed with CHF in June and for the first 6 weeks we
were in there weekly tapping his fluids. We also couldn't put him on lasix
with his kidney levels being high but once his kidney levels lowered we put
him on lasix and still had to get him tapped frequently. It came to a point
that the vet was not happy to be tapping him so frequently than boom he
regulated on his own with increasing some meds and removing others. It was
a juggle to find the right medication mix. So definately take him to the vet
and consider the tapping it literally shows immediate results. Keep us
posted and good luck.
"Tomorrow is a fresh day, with no mistakes in it."
- Anne of Green Gables
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- Hi Debra,
I know how hard this is!
I would agree with the others who have suggested a vet visit
ASAP...if it is fluid in the abdominal cavity which is making his
breathing difficult, your vet should do a tap. This could bring
immediate relief...IF that is what is causing the problem...he might
also have something else going on in his abdomen, but if it is fluids,
they should be able to tap it.
Fluid in the lungs can also be dealt with sometimes as can fluid in
the chest wall squeezing in on the lungs. An ultrasound will show
this. Oxygen therapy can also help or, if he is suffering from an
infection that needs to be dealt with than can be addressed too. And
if he needs fluids, you vet can determine that as well...
How are his toes? Tongue?
If they are warm and pink he may be safe for a trip tomorrow...if
they are purply or cold...then, if you are going to do something you
need to go NOW. Otherwise, if you are prepared for a home passing
then you may want to just make him comfortable as you can and wait...a
hot water bottle which is warm but not hot will make him more
comfortable if his pads are cool/cold...but you should call a vet ASAP
to arrange either a home visit PTS or advice for hospice care...if his
pads are cool or his gums/tongue bluish then he is heart is shutting
down and if you are ready for this then be there for him with all your
loving attention, but be sure you have all the support and information
from your vet that you can...
I don't want to sound alarmist, but laboured breathing for
extended periods is a significant event and you need to know what is
the cause if you are going to treat it, or, if you want to let him go
at home (and this is a personal choice) then you still need to consult
your vet about his condition and decide on the best course of action.
Also, the advice about eating = will to live, though often true does
not alway indicate how much longer the kit has...my Muffin had 2
breakfasts and then passed away inside of an hour and a half....he
just loved his breakfast and wasn't going anywhere until he had some!
Best wishes to you both...You will both be in my thoughts and
Sally and Angel Muffin
--- In feline-heart@y..., yarringt@a... wrote:
> Tigger's breathing is very labored and he is tired. He has
> and was diagnosed with congestive heart failure 2 Mondays ago. He
> on atenolol - 1/4 every other day - and enalapril - every other day.
> his enalapril to 1/4 every day. We've also added lasix. The fluids
> appear to be in
> his stomach, and they don't appear to have gone away with lasix (I
> told 1 to 2
> lasix a day - I started with one, worked up to two, and saw no
> difference). Since
> that Monday his breathing has become progressively more labored and
> become progressively more tired.
> I know we are on borrowed time. If no more can be done, I will keep
> until he becomes uncomfortable and let him go. But is there any
> that can be
> done to help him breathe more easily? Is it possible that his
> is labored
> because he is dehydrated? (I know that's the opposite of what we
> normally think).
> I have accepted the fact that I will lose him shortly. I thought I
> would lose him on
> Thanksgiving day. But he is still fighting. He ate half a can of
> max food, along
> with some kibble and some bonita flakes today, and he is currently
> sleeping on my
> lap after a cuddle session. I feel I owe it to him to give him all
> quality time
> possible. But I don't want to spend his last days stressing him by
> running him to the
> vet's every few days if there really isn't more to be done.
> Keep us in your thoughts. He's my love.
> -Debra & Tigger
- Hi Debra,
I am sorry to hear that Tigger is having trouble breathing. I have to agree
with the other posts, that you should speak to your vet about a chest and/or
My Wolfy occasionally had labored breathing, and the vet always tapped his
chest, and relief for Wolfy was immediate. The cardiologist was able to
give Wolfy a valium to calm him enough to undergo this procedure. After a
tap, Wolfy usually went at least 3 months before needing another.
During this past summer, Wolfy's tummy became very bloated (it had always
been his chest prior to this), and they removed a LITER of fluid from him.
I was shocked. The tap definitely gives the cat comfort and I believe buys
them good, comfortable time. I don't think it is a hard or very expensive
procedure, and I am sure it will help Tigger breathe comfortably again.
You will both be in my thoughts and prayers.
Carrie and AngelWolfy
From: yarringt@... [mailto:yarringt@...]
Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2002 5:39 PM
Subject: [FH] labored breathing
Tigger's breathing is very labored and he is tired. He has restrictive
and was diagnosed with congestive heart failure 2 Mondays ago. He was
on atenolol - 1/4 every other day - and enalapril - every other day. We
his enalapril to 1/4 every day. We've also added lasix. The fluids
appear to be in
his stomach, and they don't appear to have gone away with lasix (I was
told 1 to 2
lasix a day - I started with one, worked up to two, and saw no
that Monday his breathing has become progressively more labored and he has
become progressively more tired.
I know we are on borrowed time. If no more can be done, I will keep him
until he becomes uncomfortable and let him go. But is there any more
that can be
done to help him breathe more easily? Is it possible that his breathing
because he is dehydrated? (I know that's the opposite of what we
I have accepted the fact that I will lose him shortly. I thought I
would lose him on
Thanksgiving day. But he is still fighting. He ate half a can of nutro
max food, along
with some kibble and some bonita flakes today, and he is currently
sleeping on my
lap after a cuddle session. I feel I owe it to him to give him all the
possible. But I don't want to spend his last days stressing him by
running him to the
vet's every few days if there really isn't more to be done.
Keep us in your thoughts. He's my love.
-Debra & Tigger
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- Hi Debra--Try to hang in there. Both me and Muffin's mom have
recently "been there."
Samson too ate a BIG meal 20 minutes or so before he passed, he
ALWAYS ate, no matter where he was, right after surgery, etc.
The problem with CHF is the possibility of "sudden death" Labored
breathing is a possible sign that cardiac output (CO) is falling.
The body is trying to compensate for this in many ways. Chiefly, the
fast or labored breathing is trying to get enough oxygen to the
tissues and organs. I agree with Sally, It IS considered in most
cases to be a sign of impending danger.
I was able to minimize Samson's labored breathing with Hawthorn,
which has vasodialative properties. It opens up the blood vessels
which may be constricting in their attempt to isolate enough blood
for the heart's needs, and thus allowed more oxygen to get to the
rest of his organs and tissues. But that was a last ditch effort. I
wouldn't recommend Hawthorn for your kitty w/o a vet's (holistic or
conventional)supervision. I believe the enalapril is an ACE
inhibitor, it's job is to block the hormone signals that are causing
the body to retain sodium and constrict blood vessels. So logically,
the Enalpril should be preventing the constriction.
At a point, no drug can overcome a failing heart. The body simply
can't find it's point of balance any longer.
I'm sorry to be so clinical, I just wanted to give you an idea of
what may be behind that labored breathing so you can make the best
decision. If you wish to prolong his life, a trip to the vet is
probably your best bet. If it is caused by fluid in the lungs, a tap
may very well alleviate his discomfort.
I'll say a little prayer for you and your fur baby. Please try to be