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  • Jonathan Rosenberg
    ... Welcome to the group, Voula ... though we re all sorry that you need to be here. ... Do you take her this often at the vet s recommendation? What does
    Message 1 of 20 , Oct 15, 2000
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      > -----Original Message-----
      > From: Voula Augerinos [mailto:catwoman1@...]
      > Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2000 6:41 PM
      > To: feline-heart@egroups.com
      > Subject: [feline-heart] New to the group

      > I have just joined the group to find out more about
      > heart disease in cats.

      Welcome to the group, Voula ... though we're all sorry that you need to be
      here.

      > My cat Pebbles is seventeen years of age and has
      > hyperthyroidism and "mild" CRF. The vets have heard
      > a mild heart murmur two or three times in the past year.
      > I take Pebbles to the vet on average every 6-8 weeks for
      > checkups.

      Do you take her this often at the vet's recommendation? What does he/she do
      each time?

      > What are the symptoms of hypertrophic cardiomyopathy?
      > From reading I have done it is possible that there are
      > no obvious symptoms.

      Absolutely. Heart disease in cats often goes undiagnosed until it is too
      late.

      > I asked the vet about doing an ultrasound and he said it
      > wasn't necessary because Pebbles has no symptoms.

      Well, he's the vet but I disagree. I would insist on an ultrasound. You
      are wise to question his decision.

      > Sometimes though I notice her breathing seems a bit jerky
      > when she is sleeping. Her breathing seems okay otherwise,
      > though the other week her nostrils did flare slightly.

      It's very unclear whether these "symptoms" mean anything. We had a cat who
      always had funny breathing while sleeping. But his heart was fine & stayed
      strong until he succumbed to cancer at age 16. Nonethetless, you should
      have the ultrasound done.

      > I will ring the vet again this week and ask for an
      > ultrasound.

      Excellent.

      > He says he doesn't want Pebbles to take thyroid
      > medication because it would, in his words "her kidneys
      > wouldn't take it".
      > The other week we saw our old vet because the current
      > vet was away. Last year our old vet said not to give
      > Pebbles Tapazole (neo-mercazol here in Australia)
      > because she would "soon go to God". This year he
      > strongly recommends it, and scared me about heart
      > disease and possible clots.

      From what I know, it is essential to treat hyperthyroidosm as soon as you
      find it. It is true that treating it can unmask a kidney problem. But you
      still need to treat the hyper-T problem to avoid heart damage. BUT the good
      news here is that the heart damage is very often reversed once the hyper-T
      is treated!

      > Pebbles' blood pressure is normal. Does this mean less chance
      > of clots?

      It was also (IMHO) irresponsible of him to scare you with talk of clots. I
      have some experience with these in our old guy Lynx. They are scary & they
      are, indeed, usually associated with heart disease. BUT, no one is really
      sure why some cats get them. Most cats with heart disease do not get clots,
      so I really wouldn't worry about them.

      > I know I have all of a sudden become very scared of
      > losing Pebbles because it is only two weeks since losing my
      > Beautiful Sachie.

      That's perfectly understandable. As I said, I'm an amateur, but I strongly
      recommend an ultrasound & that you treat the hyper-T.

      > Love, Voula and Pebbles and my Beautiful Angel Sachie.

      --
      JR
      & Tabby (RB), Licorice, Tigger, Lynx
    • diane@mathermotorsports.com
      They always do a small shaved section on the tummy. I m not sure about sedating. Perhaps it depends on the cat? Diane
      Message 2 of 20 , Oct 15, 2000
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        They always do a small shaved section on the tummy. I'm not sure
        about sedating. Perhaps it depends on the cat?


        Diane


        At 9:16 AM -0700 10/16/00, Voula Augerinos wrote:
        >Hi Diane,
        > thank you for your reply.
        > Yes I now will definitely get an ultrasound done. I am wondering do
        >they have to shave the cat, or sedate it?
        >Love, Voula and Pebbles and my Beautiful Angel Sachie.
      • Laura Penny
        Hi Voula, We meet again! I ll try to answer all your questions. Both my cats (16) have hypertrophic cardiomyopathy (HCM), including heart murmurs. They also
        Message 3 of 20 , Oct 15, 2000
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          Hi Voula,

          We meet again! I'll try to answer all your questions.

          Both my cats (16) have hypertrophic cardiomyopathy (HCM), including heart
          murmurs. They also have early CRF and hypertension; in addition, Lucky has
          diabetes and Kassy has hyperT.

          I knew something was wrong with Kassy a few months before her dx. She was
          sluggish, but her kidneys--always suspect--weren't bad. But one night, she
          was breathing very rapidly while she had her little purrbox on, so we took
          her to the ER. The vet said it was normal, but found a grade 1 murmur. They
          did an x-ray, and my vet said the heart had a slight valentine shape,
          indicative of HCM. I had just lost Annie to this 6 months before, so I
          freaked! We had an echo done that dx mild-moderate HCM.

          Kassy has been on diltiazem (cardizem) since Jan. 1998. She just had a
          repeat echo and her heart is in better shape now than it was then. The
          cardiologist said her heart is very stable. She also takes Norvasc for
          hypertension and Tapazole for hyperT. We've had a little weight loss problem
          recently that we hope is just the hyperT. Her creatinine fluctuates between
          2.1 and 2.6, and her BUN was 24 last time.

          Lucky had no symptoms of HCM at all. We just did a screening echo after
          Kassy's dx and happened to find it. Three cats in one year with the same
          disease, none related. In 3 years, her disease has only progressed a little.
          She's also on diltiazem and Norvasc. Her creatinine goes between 2.1 and
          2.4, but her urine has a low specific gravity of 10:20. She has a grade 1
          murmur.

          Neither cat is on fluids. I don't let the cardiologist sedate either of them
          for the echoes, although they do say a lot of curse words. :) Lucky gets her
          pits shaved, but Kassy won't stand for it.

          My cardiologist said left atrium size is one of the most important factors
          in determining clot risk. If it's normal, the risk is less than if it's
          enlarged.

          I can send you links if you want more info.

          Laura

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        • Jonathan Rosenberg
          ... I see two downsides to this approach: 1) Hyper-T can cause all kind of problems besides heart disease if left untreated. 2) There is a good chance that
          Message 4 of 20 , Oct 15, 2000
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            > -----Original Message-----
            > From: Voula Augerinos [mailto:catwoman1@...]
            > Sent: Monday, October 16, 2000 12:09 PM
            > To: feline-heart@egroups.com
            > Subject: Re: [feline-heart] New to the group

            > I wonder if it's possible to treat the heart if there is
            > a problem by using heart drugs, if the treatment of the
            > thyroid with drugs might affect the kidneys? I know that is not
            > getting to the root cause though. What do others think?

            I see two downsides to this approach:
            1) Hyper-T can cause all kind of problems besides heart disease if left
            untreated.
            2) There is a good chance that treating the hyper-T will NOT reveal any
            kidney problems.

            > Yes it will be a fine balancing act. And I wonder whether
            > I would be best to seek a specialist referral for the heart
            > and thyroid?

            I most strongly recommend seeing a vet cardiologist.

            > I do want to continue using the herbs though if possible
            > in combination with any drugs that might be needed. So I
            > don't want to alienate the regular vet because he is trained
            > in TCM.

            Any good professional should be happy to have a specialist involved.

            > > . . .

            > That is a relief, but no-one can give a guarantee though.

            There is no guarantee for anything in life.

            > Love, Voula and Pebbles and my Beautiful Angel Sachie.

            --
            JR
            & Tabby (RB), Licorice, Tigger, Lynx
          • Jonathan Rosenberg
            BTW: regarding the ultrasound. As far as I know it is very rare for a cat to be sedated for an ultrasound. Our guy Lynx is incredibly wiggly during the
            Message 5 of 20 , Oct 15, 2000
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              BTW: regarding the ultrasound. As far as I know it is very rare for a cat
              to be sedated for an ultrasound. Our guy Lynx is incredibly wiggly during
              the ultrasound (as they tell me each & every time), but he has never been
              sedated. Of course, he does come back all covered with the gel they use :-)

              Ask the person who will be doing the ultrasound. I'd be very surprised if
              they suggest sedation (unless your cat is entirely unmanageable).

              --
              JR
              & Tabby (RB), Licorice, Tigger, Lynx
            • Voula Augerinos
              Dear Jonathan, thank you for your reply. ... Pebbles has acupuncture and chinese herbs for her hyperthyroidism and CRF. So the visit is a checkup, perhaps
              Message 6 of 20 , Oct 16, 2000
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                Dear Jonathan,
                thank you for your reply.

                Jonathan Rosenberg wrote:

                > > I take Pebbles to the vet on average every 6-8 weeks for
                > > checkups.

                > Do you take her this often at the vet's recommendation? What does he/she do
                > each time?

                Pebbles has acupuncture and chinese herbs for her hyperthyroidism
                and CRF. So the visit is a checkup, perhaps acupuncture, Traditional
                Chinese Medicine (TCM) diagnosis for possible adjustment of herbs and
                dosages.
                Then as needed, blood tests, blood pressure check, listening to her
                heart with stethoscope, palpating kidneys and other organs.

                > Absolutely. Heart disease in cats often goes undiagnosed until it is too
                > late.

                That is my fear. He said if she has heart problems we can also use
                herbs. But how do we know if we don't do an ultrasound?
                A while ago when Pebbles' heart rate was up he suggested using
                drugs to lower the heart rate. But then the heart rate went down over a
                period of a week. So we didn't give the drugs.

                Before we started treating the hyperT with herbs last year, Pebbles
                heart rate was between 180-240 beats a minute and her heart felt like a
                fist coming through her chest. A month after starting the herbs her
                heart rate went down to between 130-180 beats a minute, and it didn't
                feel like a fist coming through her chest. She also started putting on
                weight, eating and howling less, and drinking less. She put on nearly a
                kilo in weight, back to her normal weight. Though over last summer she
                lost weight again, and has since put back on half a kilo. Though I know
                this summer will be a challenge. The herbs havee definitely helped
                Pebbles in her hyperT symptoms. But in the past couple of months her
                symptoms have worsened, and in the past two weeks since Sachie left us,
                they have gotten pretty bad.

                > > He says he doesn't want Pebbles to take thyroid
                > > medication because it would, in his words "her kidneys
                > > wouldn't take it".

                I wonder if it's possible to treat the heart if there is a problem
                by using heart drugs, if the treatment of the thyroid with drugs might
                affect the kidneys?
                I know that is not getting to the root cause though. What do others
                think?

                > >From what I know, it is essential to treat hyperthyroidosm as soon as you
                > find it. It is true that treating it can unmask a kidney problem. But you
                > still need to treat the hyper-T problem to avoid heart damage. BUT the good
                > news here is that the heart damage is very often reversed once the hyper-T
                > is treated!

                Yes it will be a fine balancing act. And I wonder whether I would
                be best to seek a specialist referral for the heart and thyroid?

                I do want to continue using the herbs though if possible in
                combination with any drugs that might be needed. So I don't want to
                alienate the regular vet because he is trained in TCM. Last year we had
                very good results with the chinese herbs for Pebbles.
                Though the funny thing is he treats other cats that have hyperT and
                CRF with thyroid medications, and he said most do well and don't go into
                kidney failure. I need to ask him why he is reluctant to do so with
                Pebbles.
                Last year he said Pebbles was doing better with the herbs than a
                lot of cats he is treating with thyroid drugs.

                > > Pebbles' blood pressure is normal. Does this mean less chance
                > > of clots?
                >
                > It was also (IMHO) irresponsible of him to scare you with talk of clots. I
                > have some experience with these in our old guy Lynx. They are scary & they
                > are, indeed, usually associated with heart disease. BUT, no one is really
                > sure why some cats get them. Most cats with heart disease do not get clots,
                > so I really wouldn't worry about them.

                That is a relief, but no-one can give a guarantee though.
                Love, Voula and Pebbles and my Beautiful Angel Sachie.
              • Voula Augerinos
                Hi Diane, thank you for your reply. Yes I now will definitely get an ultrasound done. I am wondering do they have to shave the cat, or sedate it? Love, Voula
                Message 7 of 20 , Oct 16, 2000
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                  Hi Diane,
                  thank you for your reply.
                  Yes I now will definitely get an ultrasound done. I am wondering do
                  they have to shave the cat, or sedate it?
                  Love, Voula and Pebbles and my Beautiful Angel Sachie.
                • Voula Augerinos
                  Hello dear Laura, we do indeed meet again! Thank you for your excellent reply. As always, you bring me comfort! ... So it appears that the drugs haven t
                  Message 8 of 20 , Oct 16, 2000
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                    Hello dear Laura,
                    we do indeed meet again!
                    Thank you for your excellent reply. As always, you bring me
                    comfort!
                    Laura Penny wrote:
                    > We meet again! I'll try to answer all your questions.

                    > I knew something was wrong with Kassy a few months before her dx. She was
                    > sluggish, but her kidneys--always suspect--weren't bad. But one night, she
                    > was breathing very rapidly while she had her little purrbox on, so we took
                    > her to the ER. The vet said it was normal, but found a grade 1 murmur. Yes, apparently Pebbles' murmur is mild and intermittent.

                    > Kassy has been on diltiazem (cardizem) since Jan. 1998. She just had a
                    > repeat echo and her heart is in better shape now than it was then. The
                    > cardiologist said her heart is very stable. She also takes Norvasc for
                    > hypertension and Tapazole for hyperT. We've had a little weight loss problem
                    > recently that we hope is just the hyperT. Her creatinine fluctuates between
                    > 2.1 and 2.6, and her BUN was 24 last time.
                    So it appears that the drugs haven't worsened her kidneys? How much
                    Tapazole is she taking?

                    > Lucky had no symptoms of HCM at all. We just did a screening echo after
                    > Kassy's dx and happened to find it. Three cats in one year with the same
                    > disease, none related.
                    I can only imagine how you would feel. I read recently that with
                    the increased screening and ultrasounds that vets are finding a lot of
                    heart disease in cats.

                    > In 3 years, her disease has only progressed a little.
                    That is good that it has been three years. Of course I don't know
                    if Pebbles has heart disease yet, though it would not surprise me, and
                    if she has, for how long she has had it. I am definitely insisting on an
                    ultrasound and if one vet won't do it, I will tell him that I will go to
                    the other vet. I have become like a madwoman with losing Sachie, my
                    fears for Pebbles have intensified a lot.

                    I don't want Pebbles sedated either.

                    > My cardiologist said left atrium size is one of the most important factors
                    > in determining clot risk. If it's normal, the risk is less than if it's
                    > enlarged.
                    That's good information to know. Is blood pressure THE risk factor
                    for clots, or is it a risk with heart problems without high blood
                    pressure. Pebbles' blood pressure was normal some weeks ago.

                    > I can send you links if you want more info.
                    I would really appreciate that. I want to learn as much as
                    possible, because like Sachie with trying to get subQs at home, I need
                    to be informed to argue my case.
                    Love, Voula and Pebbles and my Beautiful Angel Sachie.
                  • biggers_eric@yahoo.com
                    Hi, my name is Eric and I currently have a very sick cat named Gatsby (5 year Tabby). I m wondering if any one else can give me some answers from their
                    Message 9 of 20 , Jun 12, 2001
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                      Hi, my name is Eric and I currently have a very sick cat named Gatsby
                      (5 year Tabby). I'm wondering if any one else can give me some
                      answers from their experiences.
                      She started having trouble breathing, so my wife took her to the vet
                      and they found a large amount of fluid in her chest pushing on her
                      lungs. They drained it (240 cc) and tested it to see if she had
                      chylothorax (tear in the thoracic duct), but the tests determined
                      that the fluid composition couldn't be from that condition.
                      They've done blood tests, heartworm tests, an echocardigram, and many
                      x-rays. They drain the fluid (another 140 cc) but it still keeps
                      coming back around her lungs, so they put her on Lasix to absorb a
                      lot of the fluid and a heart medication called Diltiazem (generic for
                      cardizem). I'm very worried that this might keep dragging out,
                      because even on these drugs the fluid still accumulated (even though
                      it was a smaller amount). They drained 20 cc yesterday.
                      I don't want to make her suffer anymore if she really cannot be
                      treated, but it's very hard to just give up. This whole ordeal has
                      been very expensive and I just don't know if she'll ever get better.
                      If anyone has had the same experience or can offer any advice, I'd
                      like to hear from you.
                      Thanks, Eric
                    • Jonathan Rosenberg
                      I would suggest you see whether you can get a referral to an internal medicine specialist (or cardiologist) near you. You can start by looking here:
                      Message 10 of 20 , Jun 12, 2001
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                        I would suggest you see whether you can get a referral to an internal
                        medicine specialist (or cardiologist) near you. You can start by looking
                        here:

                        http://www.acvim.org/Kittleson/search.htm

                        You're not likely to do better than an ACVIM specialist.

                        > -----Original Message-----
                        > From: biggers_eric@... [mailto:biggers_eric@...]
                        > Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 4:16 PM
                        > To: feline-heart@yahoogroups.com
                        > Subject: [feline-heart] New to the group
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        > Hi, my name is Eric and I currently have a very sick cat named Gatsby
                        > (5 year Tabby). I'm wondering if any one else can give me some
                        > answers from their experiences.
                        > She started having trouble breathing, so my wife took her to the vet
                        > and they found a large amount of fluid in her chest pushing on her
                        > lungs. They drained it (240 cc) and tested it to see if she had
                        > chylothorax (tear in the thoracic duct), but the tests determined
                        > that the fluid composition couldn't be from that condition.
                        > They've done blood tests, heartworm tests, an echocardigram, and many
                        > x-rays. They drain the fluid (another 140 cc) but it still keeps
                        > coming back around her lungs, so they put her on Lasix to absorb a
                        > lot of the fluid and a heart medication called Diltiazem (generic for
                        > cardizem). I'm very worried that this might keep dragging out,
                        > because even on these drugs the fluid still accumulated (even though
                        > it was a smaller amount). They drained 20 cc yesterday.
                        > I don't want to make her suffer anymore if she really cannot be
                        > treated, but it's very hard to just give up. This whole ordeal has
                        > been very expensive and I just don't know if she'll ever get better.
                        > If anyone has had the same experience or can offer any advice, I'd
                        > like to hear from you.
                        > Thanks, Eric
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                      • sciani@aol.com
                        Eric: We went through this with Whiskers (17yo) starting last Thanksgiving. His chest was tapped several times - a total of more than one liter. An internist
                        Message 11 of 20 , Jun 13, 2001
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                          Eric:

                          We went through this with Whiskers (17yo) starting last
                          Thanksgiving. His chest was tapped several times - a total of more
                          than one liter. An internist dx'd moderate cardiomyopathy. In
                          January, a cardiologist finetuned the dx to Restrictive
                          Cardiomyopathy and gave the cat 4-6 months. I think the last tap was
                          in January.

                          I was ready to give up just at the point Whiskers turned the corner.

                          Whiskers is also anemic and suffers from IBD, so he gets quite the
                          handful of pills.

                          For the heart and chylothorax:
                          Diltiazem
                          Enalapril
                          Furosemide
                          Spironolactone
                          Potassium Gluconate
                          Taurine
                          Rutin
                          Co-Q10

                          For the IBD:
                          Prednisolone
                          Salmon oil

                          For the anemia:
                          Iron
                          Vitamin B-12
                          Folic acid

                          A blood test last week had a BUN of 40, but creatinine was normal.
                          An x-ray showed a little fluid around the lungs, but not enough to
                          tap. Vets are so pleased/surprised, they don't want to change
                          anything he's getting.

                          Whiskers seems happy to be around. He's not active, rather weak and
                          sleeps a lot, but his appetite is very good and he still walks up and
                          down stairs and hops onto the bed at night. I know we have him on
                          borrowed time and have no expectation of his returning to his old
                          self.

                          Yes, it has been expensive and kinda crept up on us, so we don't go
                          out to eat at fancy places and my wardrobe will make do. Guess I
                          won't be quitting my job anytime soon. ;-)

                          Each kitty's situation is a bit different. If you plan to continue
                          further with Gatsby, the feline cardiologist is the way to go.

                          Please keep us posted.

                          Susan C




                          --- In feline-heart@y..., biggers_eric@y... wrote:
                          >
                          > Hi, my name is Eric and I currently have a very sick cat named
                          Gatsby
                          > (5 year Tabby). I'm wondering if any one else can give me some
                          > answers from their experiences.
                          > She started having trouble breathing, so my wife took her to the
                          vet
                          > and they found a large amount of fluid in her chest pushing on her
                          > lungs. They drained it (240 cc) and tested it to see if she had
                          > chylothorax (tear in the thoracic duct), but the tests determined
                          > that the fluid composition couldn't be from that condition.
                          > They've done blood tests, heartworm tests, an echocardigram, and
                          many
                          > x-rays. They drain the fluid (another 140 cc) but it still keeps
                          > coming back around her lungs, so they put her on Lasix to absorb a
                          > lot of the fluid and a heart medication called Diltiazem (generic
                          for
                          > cardizem). I'm very worried that this might keep dragging out,
                          > because even on these drugs the fluid still accumulated (even
                          though
                          > it was a smaller amount). They drained 20 cc yesterday.
                          > I don't want to make her suffer anymore if she really cannot be
                          > treated, but it's very hard to just give up. This whole ordeal has
                          > been very expensive and I just don't know if she'll ever get better.
                          > If anyone has had the same experience or can offer any advice, I'd
                          > like to hear from you.
                          > Thanks, Eric
                        • pjscpa31a
                          Bobby Knight is one of my recent rescue fur babies. My vet estimates he is around 2 years old. Since joining our family we noticed that Bobby has an
                          Message 12 of 20 , Dec 28, 2004
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                            Bobby Knight is one of my recent rescue fur babies. My vet estimates
                            he is around 2 years old. Since joining our "family" we noticed that
                            Bobby has an occassional deep cough. Yesterday, the vet checked him
                            to be sure there were no foreign objects in his throat by examination
                            and x-ray. It was during the x-ray that he discovered that the
                            otherwise healthy looking kitty has an enlarged heart. He also
                            performed an ECG and prescribed that I give him 1/2 tab of lasix, two
                            times a day and return for a repeat set of x-rays and ECG in 30 days,
                            unless of course the cough worsens. He indicated that the enlarged
                            heart can be the cause of the cough - he didn't find anything else...

                            I know from my experience with the Yahoo VAS support group, that I
                            can learn a world of info here from you. Can anyone provide me any
                            information - should I seek another opinion? Is an x-ray and ECG
                            enough to make a correct diagnosis. Should I seek a specialist for
                            Bobby? Is there anything else I should be doing for him?

                            I have dealt with feline leukemia and VAS, but this problem is a new
                            one for me. I would appreciate all info you can send my way.

                            Pam
                            Spooky, Daphne, Katy, Cissy, Spike, Bobby Knight and angels Taffy,
                            Boots and Magic
                          • Susan
                            Pam, It sounds like your regular vet a DVM has diagnosed Bobby. Most cats on this list are seen by a type of vet who has an additional advanced degree called
                            Message 13 of 20 , Dec 29, 2004
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                              Pam,

                              It sounds like your regular vet a DVM has diagnosed
                              Bobby. Most cats on this list are seen by a type of
                              vet who has an additional advanced degree called ACVIM
                              for the American College of Veterinary Internal
                              Medicine. You can look for ACVIM vets close to you by
                              going to:

                              http://acvim.org/wwwfp/Directory/Cardio_Geo.pdf
                              for cardiologists.

                              or:
                              http://acvim.org/wwwfp/Directory/SAIM_Geo.pdf
                              for small animal internal medicine (internists)

                              either of which would be qualified to treat Bobbie for
                              heart problems.

                              Part of the reason I bring this up is because lasix
                              monotherapy, ie. lasix prescribed without being paired
                              with an ACE-inhibitor such as enalapril is not
                              recommended (See Dr. Clarke Atkins articles in the
                              links section).

                              Susan



                              --- pjscpa31a <pjscpa31a@...> wrote:

                              >
                              >
                              > Bobby Knight is one of my recent rescue fur babies.
                              > My vet estimates
                              > he is around 2 years old. Since joining our
                              > "family" we noticed that
                              > Bobby has an occassional deep cough. Yesterday, the
                              > vet checked him
                              > to be sure there were no foreign objects in his
                              > throat by examination
                              > and x-ray. It was during the x-ray that he
                              > discovered that the
                              > otherwise healthy looking kitty has an enlarged
                              > heart. He also
                              > performed an ECG and prescribed that I give him 1/2
                              > tab of lasix, two
                              > times a day and return for a repeat set of x-rays
                              > and ECG in 30 days,
                              > unless of course the cough worsens. He indicated
                              > that the enlarged
                              > heart can be the cause of the cough - he didn't find
                              > anything else...
                              >
                              > I know from my experience with the Yahoo VAS support
                              > group, that I
                              > can learn a world of info here from you. Can anyone
                              > provide me any
                              > information - should I seek another opinion? Is an
                              > x-ray and ECG
                              > enough to make a correct diagnosis. Should I seek a
                              > specialist for
                              > Bobby? Is there anything else I should be doing for
                              > him?
                              >
                              > I have dealt with feline leukemia and VAS, but this
                              > problem is a new
                              > one for me. I would appreciate all info you can
                              > send my way.
                              >
                              > Pam
                              > Spooky, Daphne, Katy, Cissy, Spike, Bobby Knight and
                              > angels Taffy,
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                            • karen
                              Hi, I was directed to this group from another and am grateful such groups exist, I have found the info in the files very helpful. I was wondering if anyone
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                                Hi,


                                I was directed to this group from another and am grateful such
                                groups exist, I have found the info in the files very helpful. I
                                was wondering if anyone here has had a cat with Dilated
                                cardiomyopathy, my little cat Anfield who is 10 years old has
                                been diagnosed on friday with this complaint. Three weeks ago
                                she had a chest xray and I was told she had an enlarged heart at
                                this time I was hoping it was the other cardiomyoathy and not
                                the dilated one, I believe this is the worst one to have and the
                                outlook is poor.



                                I have a few questions I was wondering if anyone could help me
                                with, The first is can this complaint be correctly diagnosed
                                from a chest xray or does it need an Ultra sound(I am asking my
                                vet could he refer me to a specialist tomorrow when I see him
                                again) and has anyone had a cat with this complaint that has
                                survived more than a few weeks.



                                I was devastaed when I asked my vet what the longterm prognosis
                                is and he told me on the downside 3-4 weeks and the up side
                                anything up to 12 months. I feel so useless and helpless for her
                                I have had anfield since day one, she means the world to me.
                                Sorry for all the questions.



                                Karen.



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                              • Lisa Clarizia
                                Hi Karen, My kitty, Baby Boy, has severe dilated cardiomyopathy (DCM). He was diagnosed about 15 months ago, and with a combination of meds and supplements, is
                                Message 15 of 20 , Nov 13, 2005
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                                  Hi Karen,

                                  My kitty, Baby Boy, has severe dilated cardiomyopathy (DCM). He was
                                  diagnosed about 15 months ago, and with a combination of meds and
                                  supplements, is doing pretty well.

                                  DCM is often considered to have a poor outcome, but my little guy has a very
                                  bad heart and has lived much longer and much *better* than anyone said he
                                  would. I know of at least one other person who has had their DCM kitty
                                  survive this long as well.

                                  In answer to your question -- no, you really can't diagnose what kind of
                                  cardiomyopathy a cat has by x-ray alone, you absolutely need an ultrasound
                                  to determine this.

                                  As for supplements, you need to start giving her taurine and coenzyme q10
                                  right away. Taurine deficiency is one possible cause of DCM (though rare in
                                  cats who eat commercially available food) and she should be getting it just
                                  in case. The q10 is critical for DCM cats as well, I credit it with saving
                                  Baby Boy's life and allowing him to feel as good as he does. I would also
                                  add l-carnitine. You can get all these at GNC or the Vitamin Shoppe or a
                                  drugstore -- I would give 60-100 mg of q10 per day and 125-250 mg of the
                                  taurine and l-carnitine a day. You can add them to her food.

                                  Is Anfield in congestive heart failure (CHF)? What meds is she getting? If
                                  she is in CHF, then she should be getting a diuretic (lasix, sometimes
                                  combined with another diuretic called spironolactone) and a med called an
                                  ACE-inhibitor (enalapril, or another like it).

                                  If at all possible you should get her to a specialist as soon as possible.
                                  She needs an accurate and definitive diagnosis to receive the most
                                  appropriate treatment. I hope this helps, welcome to this list though I am
                                  sorry you had to join us, and I hope Anfield is feeling better soon!

                                  Lisa


                                  On 11/13/05, karen <Torchgirl@...> wrote:
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > Hi,
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > I was directed to this group from another and am grateful such
                                  > groups exist, I have found the info in the files very helpful. I
                                  > was wondering if anyone here has had a cat with Dilated
                                  > cardiomyopathy, my little cat Anfield who is 10 years old has
                                  > been diagnosed on friday with this complaint. Three weeks ago
                                  > she had a chest xray and I was told she had an enlarged heart at
                                  > this time I was hoping it was the other cardiomyoathy and not
                                  > the dilated one, I believe this is the worst one to have and the
                                  > outlook is poor.
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > I have a few questions I was wondering if anyone could help me
                                  > with, The first is can this complaint be correctly diagnosed
                                  > from a chest xray or does it need an Ultra sound(I am asking my
                                  > vet could he refer me to a specialist tomorrow when I see him
                                  > again) and has anyone had a cat with this complaint that has
                                  > survived more than a few weeks.
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > I was devastaed when I asked my vet what the longterm prognosis
                                  > is and he told me on the downside 3-4 weeks and the up side
                                  > anything up to 12 months. I feel so useless and helpless for her
                                  > I have had anfield since day one, she means the world to me.
                                  > Sorry for all the questions.
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > Karen.
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
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                                • samanthag1977
                                  Hello Everyone, My name is Marc and my cat Samantha was diagnosed with cardiomyopathy in February 2009. She is a black American Short hair about 12-14 years
                                  Message 16 of 20 , Jul 21, 2009
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                                    Hello Everyone,

                                    My name is Marc and my cat Samantha was diagnosed with cardiomyopathy in February 2009. She is a black American Short hair about 12-14 years old. The doctor gave her four months to live. She is still hanging in there as of today, (the 5th month) but I have to go out of town for a week next week for business and I'm feeling a lot of guilt about it and worried that something might happen to her while I'm gone. My neighbor is a big cat lover and takes care of her while I'm away. I lost my job in April and it has been kind of a blessing that I have been able to be home with her most of time to care for her. I just got a new job last week and will be traveling some.

                                    I first noticed her heavy breathing which prompted me to take her to my vet back in Feb. He drained about 4 ounces of fluid from her chest cavity and referred me to a heart specialist who performed an electrocardiogram, x-ray, etc. and confirmed her condition. I've had her on Enalapril, Vetmedin and Lasix since then.

                                    I'm having a very difficult time dealing with this, knowing at any moment she could suddenly die or worse become paralyzed and be in a lot of pain while I'm away. I have no children and she is my sole companion. It's really hard to deal with this alone.

                                    Thanks for listening. I'll post a picture of Sam as soon as I figure it out.

                                    Warm regards,

                                    Marc
                                  • Judi Levens
                                    Hi Marc; I understand your concern, we ve all been through this, but the dianosis is not necessarily a death sentance. It s equally true that she may die or
                                    Message 17 of 20 , Jul 22, 2009
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                                      Hi Marc; I understand your concern, we've all been through this, but the dianosis is not necessarily a death sentance. It's equally true that she may die or she may last fo several years with the meds. You might add some supplements including cQ10 and nattokinesse or natto zyme (brand name) to help her survival chances and there is something called Cardio Strength taht many people here swear by. Try to have your friend understand how to count Sam's breaths as that is probably the best indication of distress happening...if they become rapid have him take her to the emregency vet. Also, if you want to talk with a pet communicator...we have one we use before trips to be sure that Max understands that we are leaving but we will be back soon and he'll be OK...I can give you a name. Good luck with Samantha.

                                      Judi and Max


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                                      From: m.goldberg@...
                                      Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 05:18:49 +0000
                                      Subject: [FH] New to the group





                                      Hello Everyone,

                                      My name is Marc and my cat Samantha was diagnosed with cardiomyopathy in February 2009. She is a black American Short hair about 12-14 years old. The doctor gave her four months to live. She is still hanging in there as of today, (the 5th month) but I have to go out of town for a week next week for business and I'm feeling a lot of guilt about it and worried that something might happen to her while I'm gone. My neighbor is a big cat lover and takes care of her while I'm away. I lost my job in April and it has been kind of a blessing that I have been able to be home with her most of time to care for her. I just got a new job last week and will be traveling some.

                                      I first noticed her heavy breathing which prompted me to take her to my vet back in Feb. He drained about 4 ounces of fluid from her chest cavity and referred me to a heart specialist who performed an electrocardiogram, x-ray, etc. and confirmed her condition. I've had her on Enalapril, Vetmedin and Lasix since then.

                                      I'm having a very difficult time dealing with this, knowing at any moment she could suddenly die or worse become paralyzed and be in a lot of pain while I'm away. I have no children and she is my sole companion. It's really hard to deal with this alone.

                                      Thanks for listening. I'll post a picture of Sam as soon as I figure it out.

                                      Warm regards,

                                      Marc










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                                    • elfinmyst@aol.com
                                      Hi Marc I fully understand your caution. Every time I leave the house, it is at the back of my mind and I`d panic if I had to go on holiday. But in my
                                      Message 18 of 20 , Jul 22, 2009
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                                        Hi Marc

                                        I fully understand your caution. Every time I leave the house, it is at the
                                        back of my mind and I`d panic if I had to go on holiday. But in my
                                        experience, cats don't listen to their prognosis. Trixi was given 2 months at age
                                        12 weeks and is nearly three in August!

                                        Enjoy every day. Would your neighbour keep Sam in her house perhaps? I
                                        could say don't worry, but I know I would, and that's a normal part of having
                                        heart kitties! Remember she wants you to be happy and part of that is your
                                        new job.
                                        Sounds like she is on the right medication to support her.

                                        Lyn:)

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