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  • lynnestime@aol.com
    Hi everyone! I m so grateful to have found this list and others that are going through what my sweet little Pita is going through. I see alot of familiar
    Message 1 of 10 , Sep 15 9:16 PM
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      Hi everyone! I'm so grateful to have found this list and others that are
      going through what my sweet little Pita is going through. I see alot of
      familiar names on the list that I've seen on the CRF list so I feel at home
      already.

      Pita was just recently diagnosed with heart disease. We still have not got a
      firm diagnosis on how severe it is or to put a name to it (too long a story
      to go into). It's been a long battle for Pita to even get to this point.
      He's been sick for almost 2 years now (he's almost 15 years old now). It
      started off with upper respiratory infections and pneumonia and due to alot
      of incompetent vets the real problem was not diagnosed. Finally in December
      of last year he was diagnosed with nasal cancer. We were told to put him to
      sleep. But we didn't give up. I just knew it wasn't his time and we opted
      for chemo. Since he could not smell his food he did not eat on his own for 4
      months. We had to syringe feed him 5 to 7 times a day for 4 months to keep
      him alive during his chemo. Oncologist didn't give him any hope and every
      chemo appointment she would ask if we were sure we wanted to continue this,
      but one day he started feeling better and eating again. It was a miracle.
      He started gaining weight again (from a low of 4 pounds to now 6.7 pounds).
      He's being doing great since April.

      Unfortunately he then developed CRF (Chronic Renal Failure or kidney
      disease). We have been treating his CRF mainly with sub-q fluids and other
      supplements for 5 months and he was maintaining fairly well. Then about 2
      months ago he started retaining fluids, stopped eating and was very
      lethargic. Plus he gained a pound and a half in a little over a week. I
      knew something was wrong as we had not been able to get even one ounce on him
      in 2 months. Again, more incompetent vets that said we should be happy with
      his weight gain and couldn't believe I was concerned about such rapid weight
      gain. But I won't get off on a tangent about our unfortunate vet
      experiences. It still angers me.

      Finally the oncologist listened to us and agreed their was a problem and did
      x-rays. She couldn't tell if he was retaining fluids or his cancer was
      returning. She referred us to an Internal Medicine Specialist who did an
      ultrasound. It did show heart problems and that he was retaining fluids,
      although due to his anemia, sub-q's and other medical issues they could not
      diagnosis how severe the heart disease was (another long story I won't get
      into).

      We had a horrible experience with her. She told us we could not treat both
      kidney problems and heart problems. Needless to say that was not an
      acceptable answer :) Thanks to those on the CRF list who are dealing with
      both CRF and heart disease I received alot of great information and found
      that you can try to manage this. It will be a very difficult battle and
      quite a juggling act but we are going to try.

      The good news is we finally found a cardiologist who is willing to work with
      us on both heart disease and CRF. Our first course of action was to reduce
      his sub'q fluids to 25 cc's per day and see if that helps, and from the
      x-rays today it shows that he is know longer retaining fluids. So it looks
      like 25 cc's daily is all his heart will tolerate.

      Bad news is, his kidney numbers have increased a bit since we reduced the
      fluids. So ... will take it day by day. Cardiologist does not want to put
      him on heart medication yet (another long story) and is hoping by reducing
      the sub-q's that we can manage both. We have a recheck in 2 weeks and if his
      BUN & Creatinine have increased we will have to give him more fluids and the
      juggling act begins. I'm praying he maintains.

      Seems so unfair ... treating the kidney problems is hard on the heart ... and
      treating the heart is hard on the kidney. Sigh ...

      Sorry this is such a long introduction. It's been such a frustrating month.
      Pita is a little trooper and he's not ready to give up. He still has a good
      quality of life and that's what's important. I'll do whatever it takes to
      keep it like that.

      Lynne and Pita and the rest of the feline crew: Callie, Lilah, Moose and the
      canine crew: Max, Chance & Mr. Snooty ... and not to leave out my hubby who
      loves these little guys as much as I do and puts up with me spending so much
      time on the computer trying to help them.

      P.S. I'd be interested in hearing from any one that has used Dandelion
      extract as a diuretic. I mentioned it to the cardiologist today and he kinda
      of poo-poo'd the idea. He says it works but it is still hard on the
      kidneys. He said a diuretic is a diuretic ... natural or otherwise.
    • Jonathan Rosenberg
      Hi, All, Lynx was due to go in in 2 weeks to get his blood levels checked. But I took him in early because his left eyelid looked inflamed & I thought he
      Message 2 of 10 , Sep 24 8:21 PM
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        Hi, All,

        Lynx was due to go in in 2 weeks to get his blood levels checked. But I
        took him in early because his left eyelid looked inflamed & I thought he
        might have lost some weight.

        Sigh ... he has lost 1/2 pound in the last 3 months (from 8.5lb -> 8.0 lb).
        The blood test showed that his thyroid level was still normal, but that his
        kidney values were slightly elevated:

        BUN: 47 (ref range: 16 to 36)
        Creatinine: 2.5 (ref range <= 2.4)

        The vet said that this explained his weight loss, but that the numbers
        weren't high enough to warrant any changes in his treatment.

        So far he is still acting normally & his appetite remains good.

        I'm curious as to how these elevated numbers would explain his weight loss.
        Also, are these numbers high enough that I should start worrying about his
        kidneys? If so, is there anything I can do?

        Any suggestions/advice will be much appreciated.

        --
        JR
        & Tabby (RB), Licorice, Tigger, Lynx
      • Laura Penny
        Jonathan, Kassy s numbers have been that high, although not at the same time, but my vet contends those numbers are too low to cause weight loss. However,
        Message 3 of 10 , Sep 24 8:42 PM
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          Jonathan,

          Kassy's numbers have been that high, although not at the same time, but my
          vet contends those numbers are too low to cause weight loss.

          However, Kassy has had weight loss with a normal T4 because her "free T4
          equilibrium by dialysis" was slightly elevated. Might want to check it out;
          your vet can draw blood and Antech on LI runs the test twice a week.

          Good luck.

          Laura

          -----Original Message-----
          From: Jonathan Rosenberg <jr40@...>
          To: feline-heart@egroups.com <feline-heart@egroups.com>
          Date: Sunday, September 24, 2000 11:12 PM
          Subject: [feline-heart] Lynx's Kidney #s & His Weight


          >
          >Hi, All,
          >
          >Lynx was due to go in in 2 weeks to get his blood levels checked. But I
          >took him in early because his left eyelid looked inflamed & I thought he
          >might have lost some weight.
          >
          >Sigh ... he has lost 1/2 pound in the last 3 months (from 8.5lb -> 8.0 lb).
          >The blood test showed that his thyroid level was still normal, but that his
          >kidney values were slightly elevated:
          >
          > BUN: 47 (ref range: 16 to 36)
          > Creatinine: 2.5 (ref range <= 2.4)
          >
          >The vet said that this explained his weight loss, but that the numbers
          >weren't high enough to warrant any changes in his treatment.
          >
          >So far he is still acting normally & his appetite remains good.
          >
          >I'm curious as to how these elevated numbers would explain his weight loss.
          >Also, are these numbers high enough that I should start worrying about his
          >kidneys? If so, is there anything I can do?
          >
          >Any suggestions/advice will be much appreciated.
          >
          >--
          >JR
          >& Tabby (RB), Licorice, Tigger, Lynx
          >
          >
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          >
          >
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        • cynthia rausch
          Jonathan Rosenberg wrote: BUN: 47 (ref range: 16 to 36) Creatinine: 2.5 (ref range
          Message 4 of 10 , Sep 24 10:05 PM
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            Jonathan Rosenberg wrote:
            BUN: 47 (ref range: 16 to 36)
            Creatinine: 2.5 (ref range <= 2.4)

            The vet said that this explained his weight loss, but that the numbers
            weren't high enough to warrant any changes in his treatment.

            Hi,

            We are treating My soon to be four year old Samuel with numbers this
            low, right now, he's eating canned k/d. And receiving 1/4 tab pepcid
            daily. For the neusea. Along with a few supplements. He also is early
            HyperT and IBD.

            Here are a couple of link to blood value and what they mean I hope
            this helps.

            Cynthia, Taffy, Samuel

            Complete Blood Count, by Drs. Foster and Smith
            http://www.peteducation.com/vet_proc/CBC.htm

            Chemistry Panels and Tests, by Drs. Foster and Smith
            http://www.peteducation.com/vet_proc/chem_panel.htm
          • leiladooley
            My name is Leila and I just found this list last week. Three weeks ago my 17 yr. old female Kaze was diagnosed with restrictive cardiomyopathy which has
            Message 5 of 10 , Mar 25, 2003
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              My name is Leila and I just found this list last week. Three weeks
              ago my 17 yr. old female Kaze was diagnosed with restrictive
              cardiomyopathy which has pretty much floored me. In addition, four
              months ago she was diagnosed with hyperthyroid, low potassium, and
              diabetes.

              I've been reading many of your postings and relating so well to what
              you all have to say. I keep thinking back to all the little things
              that I thought didn't mean anything-- an occasional rattle when she
              was breathing, or a heavy sigh-- and wondered if I had had her tested
              for heart disease sooner if we could have caught it at an earlier
              stage when more could have been done for her. But I only became
              really concerned when she was breathing much heavier than usual. As
              it is, when her regular vet got the report back from the specialist
              who did her echocardiogram he was pretty shocked by how advanced her
              condition is. Intellectually I know I shouldn't feel like I've let
              her down, but it's hard not to.

              I know we are getting close to the end of our time together-- her bad
              days are definitely getting more frequent-- and while this time has
              been very difficult, in some ways it's brought us closer together
              than ever and for that I can feel grateful.

              So I just wanted to thank this list for being here-- I have a feeling
              I will need you in the weeks ahead. My friends are great, but it's
              good to know that there is a community of people who have firsthand
              knowledge of this road Kaze and I seem to have found ourselves
              traveling together.
            • tamakio
              Hello, I just joined this ML in the middle of my desperate search for the useful resources for cat s heart disease. My kitty, who is 1 year and a half old
              Message 6 of 10 , Mar 8, 2005
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                Hello,

                I just joined this ML in the middle of my desperate search for the useful resources for cat's
                heart disease. My kitty, who is 1 year and a half old spayed persian, was caught with her
                enlarged heart by x-rays. She was examined by ultra-sound yesterday, and we will know
                the results tomorrow or so.

                While I need to give youmore details (the vet did ultrasound exam today and we will have a
                full diagnose  in a few days), I want to start preparing for a holistic
                approach for my girl. And, the more needed for me at this point is
                encouradging success stories to combat heart disease! -- My girl has
                experienced several diseases since she was a baby (like URI, utenary
                infection and uninary infection, ring worm, etc.) and I was always so
                heart-broken. But she has been able to such a miracle girl. I live alone
                as a student, so this has been financially and emotionally very tough for
                me.

                At this point, she is very active and eats well (although she seems to
                start losing a weight a bit from 7.3lb to 7lb). And she coughs, which I
                undestand is somehow associated to the heart disease, but as she was
                congested early this year, the vets and I thought the cough was from her
                conjestion! She was examined last month by three different vets, but
                everyone thought she was very well.

                Thanks for your help!
                Tamaki
              • Karen
                Tamaki, Let the group know as soon as you have the echo results, what kind of heart condition she has. Then others with that specific condition can let you
                Message 7 of 10 , Mar 9, 2005
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                  Tamaki,

                  Let the group know as soon as you have the echo results, what kind of
                  heart condition she has. Then others with that specific condition can
                  let you know what has helped their cat.

                  My kitty (14 1/2) had severe DCM in 2003, threw a blot clot and was
                  not expected to make it very much longer. However he did very well
                  for 15 months.. the first 2 months he was on heparin injections twice
                  a day. After that, no other meds (except clavamox, an antibiotic) but
                  he did get supplements such as taurine, l-carnitine, coQ10 etc, all
                  detailed on last page of his website.

                  By the way, did you ever get rid of that ringworm? I adopted a kitty
                  from my local animal shelter last Dec and found out a month later she
                  has ringworm. She was prescribed weekly lyme-sulfur dips.. I was just
                  wondering what your course of treatment was and whether it was
                  successful or not, it is supposed to be a real difficult thing to
                  elininate as the spores are everywhere.

                  Karen
                  http://www.ziggycat.netfirms.com/



                  --- In feline-heart@yahoogroups.com, "tamakio" <tamakio@y...> wrote:
                  >
                  > Hello,
                  >
                  > I just joined this ML in the middle of my desperate search for the
                  useful resources for cat's
                  > heart disease. My kitty, who is 1 year and a half old spayed
                  persian, was caught with her
                  > enlarged heart by x-rays. She was examined by ultra-sound
                  yesterday, and we will know
                  > the results tomorrow or so.
                  >
                  > While I need to give youmore details (the vet did ultrasound exam
                  today and we will have a
                  > full diagnose  in a few days), I want to start preparing for a
                  holistic
                  > approach for my girl. And, the more needed for me at this point is
                  > encouradging success stories to combat heart disease! -- My girl has
                  > experienced several diseases since she was a baby (like URI, utenary
                  > infection and uninary infection, ring worm, etc.) and I was always
                  so
                  > heart-broken. But she has been able to such a miracle girl. I live
                  alone
                  > as a student, so this has been financially and emotionally very
                  tough for
                  > me.
                  >
                  > At this point, she is very active and eats well (although she seems
                  to
                  > start losing a weight a bit from 7.3lb to 7lb). And she coughs,
                  which I
                  > undestand is somehow associated to the heart disease, but as she was
                  > congested early this year, the vets and I thought the cough was
                  from her
                  > conjestion! She was examined last month by three different vets, but
                  > everyone thought she was very well.
                  >
                  > Thanks for your help!
                  > Tamaki
                • twizzlebug
                  Hi- accidentally found this list, and it s wonderful to know I [we] aren t alone. I have an 11 yr. old neutered male stray, whom is likely almost a full Maine
                  Message 8 of 10 , Nov 29, 2005
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                    Hi- accidentally found this list, and it's wonderful to know I [we]
                    aren't alone.

                    I have an 11 yr. old neutered male stray, whom is likely almost a
                    full Maine Coon. AT 3 an xray showed a 'large' heart- but
                    not 'enlarged'.

                    At 8 he became very ill, and was diagnosed with triaditis-
                    pancreatitis, hepatitis & chronic inflammatory bowel disease.

                    This summer his thyroid levels rose- hyperthyroid. Back to
                    specialist for cardiac ultrasound. Mild cardiomyopathy.

                    However- he also has a chronic, unexplained pleural effusion. Needs
                    to be tapped every 4-6 weeks, as the amount of fluid becomes
                    excessive.

                    Started him on Lasix 2 days ago, in the hopes that we can extend the
                    time span between chest taps. The pleural fluid appears like chyle-
                    but is negative on cytology.

                    This poor guy is on Lasix, Tapazole, Atenolol, Flagyl, Pepcid &
                    Prednisone. All are necessary meds for each condition. He is 14
                    lbs., evil, feisty, our 'child'.

                    He's been pretty stable- although it is a daily balancing act. Some
                    of the meds are on alternate days, or every 3rd day...

                    My heart is breaking. We have a GP vet, and an enormous 24 hr.
                    hospital filled with specialists [whom are now in charge of most of
                    his treatment]. We have actually tried to ask 'the question', and
                    been firmly told by all docs involved that none would consider
                    terminating his life- which was very relieving for us. We will do
                    what is best for our little guy, at all times. And we know the day
                    will come when either he collapses- or becomes so ill, we will have
                    to make 'the decision' in a split second.

                    So- that's our story.
                  • Susan Burns
                    hi and sorry i don t know your name.....you might try doing some research on rutin (otherwise known at vitamin p, i believe).....some vets are using it for
                    Message 9 of 10 , Nov 30, 2005
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                      hi and sorry i don't know your name.....you might try
                      doing some research on rutin (otherwise known at
                      vitamin p, i believe).....some vets are using it for
                      pleural effusion with chyle, as it's very effective at
                      drawing the fluid out.....roger rag's cardiologist
                      gave us a thumbs up and suggested 250 mgs tid for
                      pleural effusion caused by heart failure (without
                      chyle), but roger was just too late stage for anything
                      to help....you can purchase it at gnc, and it's about
                      $8 for a big bottle....gnc isn't a spot that i'd
                      normally shop, but all of the fancy vitamin stores
                      carried rutin with a bunch of other stuff mixed
                      in.....i just googled feline pleural effusion rutin
                      and came up with several veterinary websites that
                      talked about it in pretty good detail....cheers,
                      susan.....p.s....rr was also on 20mgs lasix tid, so
                      there wasn't an issue with contraindication...

                      > However- he also has a chronic, unexplained pleural
                      > effusion. Needs
                      > to be tapped every 4-6 weeks, as the amount of fluid
                      > becomes
                      > excessive.




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                    • millefont1
                      Hi---we have a cat with IBD as well as HCM, so I have some idea what you are going through in the way of meds. Have you read anything about or tried a
                      Message 10 of 10 , Nov 30, 2005
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                        Hi---we have a cat with IBD as well as HCM, so I have some idea what
                        you are going through in the way of meds. Have you read anything
                        about or tried a balanced raw diet? Peaseblossom's IBD is finally
                        under control---with no meds---on a raw diet with some supplements.
                        If a raw diet is not practical for you, you could also consider
                        canned food with no grains or vegetables. The best places I have
                        found for info on both the raw and appropriate canned foods are:
                        www.catinfo.org and www.catnutrition.org. Pease was on Flagyl and
                        pred for months, really years, according to her medical history, and
                        neither cured any of her problems. Only changing her diet did. If
                        you no longer have to worry about IBD, you could at least cut the
                        meds you have to give... If you want more specific info about the
                        regimen that finally cured the worst of Pease's IBD symptoms, please
                        let me know.

                        Have you read all the info on this site about supplements for heart
                        cats? If not, I strongly urge you to check it out. CoQ10 and L-
                        carnitine as well as extra taurine and omega-3 oils have made a huge
                        difference to Pease, esp. the CoQ10. Lisa Clarizia posted a masterly
                        summary of the best supplements a few months ago that I feel sure
                        saved Pease's life.

                        Best of luck to you both.
                        Susan and Peaseblossom
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