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  • iskarthgrp@webtv.net
    Hi, My kitty Squeaker was just diagnose with cardiomyopathy and they also found a tumor in his abdomen. He has diabetes which is pretty much under control and
    Message 1 of 26 , Sep 10 7:40 AM
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      Hi,

      My kitty Squeaker was just diagnose with cardiomyopathy and they also
      found a tumor in his abdomen. He has diabetes which is pretty much
      under control and uti which is definitely under control.

      The only really symptom he has is he breathes very heavily due to fluid
      in his lung and abdomen. I have also seen him breath almost normal when
      he is sleeping or resting.

      The vet told me his heart is 50% bad. His blood pressure is normal. I
      know he wants to give Squeaker lasix (sp) and will let me know today
      what other meds Squeaker will need. The vet also told me it will take
      time for the meds to work.

      I am so afraid that Squeaker will die before the meds take affect. I
      guess I need support. I feel so alone with this.

      Voula told me about this group from Kittyheaven and told me how warm and
      understanding you all are. Reading everyone's post I agree.

      Sorry this is so long. Thank you for taking the time to read it.

      Ilene
      You only have one life. Live it to the fullest.
    • Christy
      Hi, Ilene. I m so sorry to hear about your Squeaker. I know how scared you are and I want to encourage you to think positively. I know that s hard to do
      Message 2 of 26 , Sep 10 8:06 AM
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        Hi, Ilene. I'm so sorry to hear about your Squeaker. I know how
        scared you are and I want to encourage you to think positively. I
        know that's hard to do right now. Believe me, I've had the same
        emotions that you're having. It's normal to be scared and feel
        panicked after hearing about Squeaker's condition. I think you will
        feel better after a few days have passed and after receiving
        encouragement from the members of this group.

        I truly believe Squeaker knows when you are scared and worried and I
        think it helps our pets for us to have confidence and faith. He
        needs reassurance right now, also. The calmer you are, the calmer
        he'll be......

        It will take time for the meds to work and you may have to try
        different ones before you find what works best for Squeaker. For me,
        watching my cat get used to her medicine was really hard. I tried to
        look for signs of any side effects, and it's hard to know what's
        normal and what's not. The first few days were the hardest and I had
        to try and not overreact. What helped me the most was this group.
        If I noticed something was a little off with her, I would post a
        message and ask the members what they thought. They really helped me
        through those first few days. I really felt like I had a good
        support system -- people that love their cats as much as I love mine,
        people that understand even the silliest thing.

        Use this group to help you through this scary time. Please keep me
        posted. Good look with the new meds. Hope everything goes well for
        you and Squeaker.

        Christy & Precious






        --- In feline-heart@y..., iskarthgrp@w... wrote:
        > Hi,
        >
        > My kitty Squeaker was just diagnose with cardiomyopathy and they
        also
        > found a tumor in his abdomen. He has diabetes which is pretty much
        > under control and uti which is definitely under control.
        >
        > The only really symptom he has is he breathes very heavily due to
        fluid
        > in his lung and abdomen. I have also seen him breath almost normal
        when
        > he is sleeping or resting.
        >
        > The vet told me his heart is 50% bad. His blood pressure is
        normal. I
        > know he wants to give Squeaker lasix (sp) and will let me know today
        > what other meds Squeaker will need. The vet also told me it will
        take
        > time for the meds to work.
        >
        > I am so afraid that Squeaker will die before the meds take affect.
        I
        > guess I need support. I feel so alone with this.
        >
        > Voula told me about this group from Kittyheaven and told me how
        warm and
        > understanding you all are. Reading everyone's post I agree.
        >
        > Sorry this is so long. Thank you for taking the time to read it.
        >
        > Ilene
        > You only have one life. Live it to the fullest.
      • Amy Barrett
        So sorry to hear about Squeaker. Hang in there! After the initial shock, you will start to calm down and feel a little better. The lasix will help his
        Message 3 of 26 , Sep 10 8:15 AM
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          So sorry to hear about Squeaker. Hang in there! After
          the initial shock, you will start to calm down and
          feel a little better. The lasix will help his
          breathing.
          Amy & Cecil
          --- iskarthgrp@... wrote:
          > Hi,
          >
          > My kitty Squeaker was just diagnose with
          > cardiomyopathy and they also
          > found a tumor in his abdomen. He has diabetes which
          > is pretty much
          > under control and uti which is definitely under
          > control.
          >
          > The only really symptom he has is he breathes very
          > heavily due to fluid
          > in his lung and abdomen. I have also seen him
          > breath almost normal when
          > he is sleeping or resting.
          >
          > The vet told me his heart is 50% bad. His blood
          > pressure is normal. I
          > know he wants to give Squeaker lasix (sp) and will
          > let me know today
          > what other meds Squeaker will need. The vet also
          > told me it will take
          > time for the meds to work.
          >
          > I am so afraid that Squeaker will die before the
          > meds take affect. I
          > guess I need support. I feel so alone with this.
          >
          > Voula told me about this group from Kittyheaven and
          > told me how warm and
          > understanding you all are. Reading everyone's post
          > I agree.
          >
          > Sorry this is so long. Thank you for taking the
          > time to read it.
          >
          > Ilene
          > You only have one life. Live it to the fullest.
          >
          >


          =====
          Amy Barrett

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        • targa66
          Hi Ilene - I m also new to this list, and have found it to be a great resource for me (both information and emotional support). Best wishes, love and hugs to
          Message 4 of 26 , Sep 10 8:48 AM
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            Hi Ilene -

            I'm also new to this list, and have found it to be a great resource
            for me (both information and emotional support). Best wishes, love
            and hugs to your Squeaker - keep us posted on his progress.

            -Shelly

            --- In feline-heart@y..., iskarthgrp@w... wrote:
            > Hi,
            >
            > My kitty Squeaker was just diagnose with cardiomyopathy and they
            also
            > found a tumor in his abdomen. He has diabetes which is pretty much
            > under control and uti which is definitely under control.
            >
            > The only really symptom he has is he breathes very heavily due to
            fluid
            > in his lung and abdomen. I have also seen him breath almost normal
            when
            > he is sleeping or resting.
            >
            > The vet told me his heart is 50% bad. His blood pressure is
            normal. I
            > know he wants to give Squeaker lasix (sp) and will let me know today
            > what other meds Squeaker will need. The vet also told me it will
            take
            > time for the meds to work.
            >
            > I am so afraid that Squeaker will die before the meds take affect.
            I
            > guess I need support. I feel so alone with this.
            >
            > Voula told me about this group from Kittyheaven and told me how
            warm and
            > understanding you all are. Reading everyone's post I agree.
            >
            > Sorry this is so long. Thank you for taking the time to read it.
            >
            > Ilene
            > You only have one life. Live it to the fullest.
          • gussielou49
            Hi Ilene, sorry to hear about Spueaker. Have you brought him to a vet cardiologist? I found, and I m sure others agree, that seeing a specialist is very
            Message 5 of 26 , Sep 10 8:49 AM
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              Hi Ilene, sorry to hear about Spueaker. Have you brought him to a
              vet cardiologist? I found, and I'm sure others agree, that seeing a
              specialist is very important, if you can do it. If you need a list
              of board-certified cardiologists, check out the link below:

              http://www.vetheart.com/bystate.htm

              Good luck w/ your kitty and keep us posted. Try to stay calm.
              Animals can sense so much and tend to 'take on' what we are feeling
              or going through.
              Give Squeaker lots of love.
              Take care, Steph
              --- In feline-heart@y..., iskarthgrp@w... wrote:
              > Hi,
              >
              > My kitty Squeaker was just diagnose with cardiomyopathy and they
              also
              > found a tumor in his abdomen. He has diabetes which is pretty much
              > under control and uti which is definitely under control.
              >
              > The only really symptom he has is he breathes very heavily due to
              fluid
              > in his lung and abdomen. I have also seen him breath almost normal
              when
              > he is sleeping or resting.
              >
              > The vet told me his heart is 50% bad. His blood pressure is
              normal. I
              > know he wants to give Squeaker lasix (sp) and will let me know today
              > what other meds Squeaker will need. The vet also told me it will
              take
              > time for the meds to work.
              >
              > I am so afraid that Squeaker will die before the meds take affect.
              I
              > guess I need support. I feel so alone with this.
              >
              > Voula told me about this group from Kittyheaven and told me how
              warm and
              > understanding you all are. Reading everyone's post I agree.
              >
              > Sorry this is so long. Thank you for taking the time to read it.
              >
              > Ilene
              > You only have one life. Live it to the fullest.
            • zellenecats
              Just a note about Lasix and how long it takes to get used to the meds. Lasix works very fast...within 20 minutes if your vet injects it. When Widgie was in
              Message 6 of 26 , Sep 10 10:04 AM
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                Just a note about Lasix and how long it takes to get used to the
                meds. Lasix works very fast...within 20 minutes if your vet injects
                it. When Widgie was in congestive heart failure with fluid inside,
                she was immediately given a shot of Lasix and started pe*ing within
                30 minutes. Even the oral version, which we use for her now, takes
                effect rapidly. She is now on a very low dose for maintenance, but I
                have a filled syringe in case she gets into trouble.

                If your kitty is having trouble breathing, there's no reason to put
                off starting on Lasix. You need to get rid of that fluid buildup. My
                vet waited til the fluid was gone before starting the Atenolol. That
                takes a little longer to get the precise dose. At first, my baby was
                so spaced out and glassy eyed! We reduced it quite a bit til she
                didn't have the side effects but still gets the benefit from the meds.

                z
              • Sally J.Smith
                Greetings Ilene, So sorry to hear about your baby....I know this news can be devastating...and it is very, very common after first getting it to worry that
                Message 7 of 26 , Sep 10 10:07 AM
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                  Greetings Ilene,

                  So sorry to hear about your baby....I know this news can be
                  devastating...and it is very, very common after first getting it to
                  worry that your baby is going to keel over any minute. While this
                  rarely happens, the fear is still very real. The usual course is that
                  after the shock wears off you'll start learning more and also getting
                  more information about Squeeker from having some more important tests
                  done.

                  The suggestion to see a cardiologist is a good one. The usual
                  course is to get an ultrasound (echocardiogram) of the kitties heart.
                  Even if you do not have a specialist in your area, your vet should
                  know where to get this diagnostic test done. It's non-invasive and
                  generally kitties don't mind it though they usually get shaved a bit
                  where they use the echo wand.
                  In your case they may want to do two...one for the heart and one
                  for the tumor. Then these results can be sent via the internet to
                  specialists all over the country...the usual consulting fee is about
                  55-60. Echos vary depending on where you live...average cost is
                  probably around 200.

                  You will be able to give Squeaker the best care if you trust and
                  have a good relationship with your vet. If you don't really like your
                  vet now, you might want to look around and see who else is in the area
                  that might be better. You will be working very closely with them from
                  now on and you need to have the utmost trust in them.

                  Another thing that you may want to investigate is having the fluids
                  drained off manually. This can be done for both the fluid around
                  the lungs and in the belly. There are two major risk factors for this:
                  accidental puncture with the needle, and the possibility of infection.
                  But if your vet uses good sterile proceedure and especially if they
                  drain the belly fluid (called ascites) it can help Squeaker right
                  away...my cat Muffin had ascites and his breathing would get heavy
                  because the fluid in his belly was putting upwards pressure on his
                  diaphragm and he just couldn't work effectively against it...one the
                  fluid was drained, he felt and breathed much easier...as did I! This
                  may give you some "breathing space" (sorry, couln't resist) while the
                  drugs can take effect. Many kitties here are on Lasix and it can help
                  very much but it does take a few days to become effective and it can
                  be an ordeal waiting and watching. Also some kitties take longer to
                  adjust to it than others.

                  You have a difficult road ahead of you, I won't lie....the double
                  whammy of tumour and heart disease is a challenge....but there are a
                  lot of great services out there and a lot of good support people here.
                  You are NOT alone anymore now that you've found this place! Please
                  keep us updated!


                  Sally and Angel Muffin


                  --- In feline-heart@y..., iskarthgrp@w... wrote:
                  > Hi,
                  >
                  > My kitty Squeaker was just diagnose with cardiomyopathy and they
                  also
                  > found a tumor in his abdomen. He has diabetes which is pretty much
                  > under control and uti which is definitely under control.
                  >
                  > The only really symptom he has is he breathes very heavily due to
                  fluid
                  > in his lung and abdomen. I have also seen him breath almost normal
                  when
                  > he is sleeping or resting.
                  >
                  > The vet told me his heart is 50% bad. His blood pressure is normal.
                  I
                  > know he wants to give Squeaker lasix (sp) and will let me know today
                  > what other meds Squeaker will need. The vet also told me it will
                  take
                  > time for the meds to work.
                  >
                  > I am so afraid that Squeaker will die before the meds take affect.
                  I
                  > guess I need support. I feel so alone with this.
                  >
                  > Voula told me about this group from Kittyheaven and told me how warm
                  and
                  > understanding you all are. Reading everyone's post I agree.
                  >
                  > Sorry this is so long. Thank you for taking the time to read it.
                  >
                  > Ilene
                  > You only have one life. Live it to the fullest.
                • Lynnie Henderson
                  Note, too, that dandelion is a diuretic as is Lasix. I¹d hesitate to use both without guidance from a vet. [Non-text portions of this message have been
                  Message 8 of 26 , Sep 10 10:14 AM
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                    Note, too, that dandelion is a diuretic as is Lasix. I¹d hesitate to use
                    both without guidance from a vet.


                    [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                  • Mike & Linda Irrgang
                    Dear Ilene, First of all you sound like a really good cat mommie ....I think we re all a little bit obsessive here and I am certainly one of the worst....but
                    Message 9 of 26 , Sep 10 8:59 PM
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                      Dear Ilene,

                      First of all you sound like a really good cat mommie ....I think we're all a
                      little bit obsessive here and I am certainly one of the worst....but once
                      you get a good cardiovet's opinion and some direction it will, believe it or
                      not, start to be manageable....Squeaker sounds like he is a real
                      trooper....hang in there....while it's always a challenge with these guys,
                      it's also very rewarding and this group is a great bunch of people!

                      We're lighting a candle for you and Squeak tonite,

                      Linda and the boys

                      -----Original Message-----
                      From: iskarthgrp@... [mailto:iskarthgrp@...]
                      Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 9:40 AM
                      To: feline-heart@yahoogroups.com
                      Subject: [FH] New to list

                      Hi,

                      My kitty Squeaker was just diagnose with cardiomyopathy and they also
                      found a tumor in his abdomen. He has diabetes which is pretty much
                      under control and uti which is definitely under control.

                      The only really symptom he has is he breathes very heavily due to fluid
                      in his lung and abdomen. I have also seen him breath almost normal when
                      he is sleeping or resting.

                      The vet told me his heart is 50% bad. His blood pressure is normal. I
                      know he wants to give Squeaker lasix (sp) and will let me know today
                      what other meds Squeaker will need. The vet also told me it will take
                      time for the meds to work.

                      I am so afraid that Squeaker will die before the meds take affect. I
                      guess I need support. I feel so alone with this.

                      Voula told me about this group from Kittyheaven and told me how warm and
                      understanding you all are. Reading everyone's post I agree.

                      Sorry this is so long. Thank you for taking the time to read it.

                      Ilene
                      You only have one life. Live it to the fullest.



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                    • Kerry
                      Hello, My name is Kerry and my 16 year old kitty, Drew, has just been diagnosed with HCM. Here is a little background on Drew. He was diagnosed with
                      Message 10 of 26 , Jan 24, 2006
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                        Hello, My name is Kerry and my 16 year old kitty, Drew, has just been
                        diagnosed with HCM.

                        Here is a little background on Drew. He was diagnosed with
                        intestinal lymphoma 2 years ago this month. It has been pretty well
                        controlled with Leukeran and prednisone. He has also had problems
                        with appetite, so he also gets cyproheptidine. A few months ago, the
                        cancer started coming out of remission, so we increased his dosage of
                        the leukeran and I think we have him back in remission. He is now
                        getting Pepcid ac and reglan to help with his nausea and his appetite
                        is better than it has been since diagnosis.

                        About 2 weeks ago, he started coughing and since one of my other
                        kitties had recently gone through a bout of pneumonia, I figured that
                        Drew had caught it, too, and got antibiotics from the vet without
                        taking him in for an x-ray. After about 5 days on the antibiotic, I
                        noticed that he was breathing hard and so off we went to the vet. The
                        x-ray showed some white areas in the lungs and also an enlarged
                        heart. The vet said that he didn't hear any heartbeat abnormalities,
                        but if the new antibiotic he was giving him didn't help his breathing
                        in a few days that he wanted to do an ultrasound. He did the u/s on
                        saturday and started him immediately on Enalapril once a day and
                        Lasix 2x a day.

                        I welcome any suggestions that any of you may have to improve Drew's
                        quality of life.

                        Kerry
                      • Leah Ferron
                        Kerry, Welcome to the group. I am sorry to hear about Drew s predicament. Get ready for a lot of information from us! It sounds like you ve got quite a little
                        Message 11 of 26 , Jan 24, 2006
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                          Kerry,

                          Welcome to the group. I am sorry to hear about Drew's predicament. Get ready for a lot of information from us! It sounds like you've got quite a little fighter in Drew. That's a great thing for Drew and his battle with HCM. Here are a few questions for you: Was the vet who diagnosed Drew's HCM a cardiologist? What did they think the white areas were on the x-rays? Have you noticed any breathing problems since he's been on the Enalapril and Lasix?

                          There are many things that you can give Drew as supplements to help with his HCM, I will let those who know better tell you what those are. My 15 year old, Alec, was diagnosed in Sept., 05 with RCM and I have been helping him, with the help of this group, ever since. It may all seem overwhelming at first but hang in there.

                          Leah and her cats





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                        • dehandley@cox.net
                          I would be very cautious with possible clot throwing - I am surprised they didn t also put him on some sort of thinner to assist with that - unless that is one
                          Message 12 of 26 , Jan 24, 2006
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                            I would be very cautious with possible clot throwing - I am surprised they didn't also put him on some sort of thinner to assist with that - unless that is one of the drugs they gave you. Once their heart is enlarged - usually the disease is pretty severe. You caught it with enough time to help prevent clot formation - but they must be medicated for that. My Boone didn't show any signs of any secondary health issues - so we had no idea his heart was enlarged - or his disease was as progressed as it was. His heart was enlarged - due to being unable to fill with blood properly the heart enlarges to compensate.

                            Did they give you anything for clot formation?
                            >
                            > From: "Kerry" <serrykoo@...>
                            > Date: 2006/01/24 Tue AM 11:58:41 EST
                            > To: feline-heart@yahoogroups.com
                            > Subject: [FH] New to list
                            >
                            >

                            Darlene E. Handley
                            Mom to Boone the tuxedo kitty - the gremlin head: what a soul he had. Boone Esau-Handley: April 2001-Dec 2005. May he rest in peace. And Spook - 1980 - 1998 - what a journey we had. Both are dearly missed.
                            http://www.protecttheseals.org


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                          • Sue at MAGDRL
                            Hi Kerry, Welcome to the group although I m sorry to hear that Drew has HCM. First, it s always best to see a veterinary cardiologist. They obviously have far
                            Message 13 of 26 , Jan 24, 2006
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                              Hi Kerry,

                              Welcome to the group although I'm sorry to hear that Drew has HCM.

                              First, it's always best to see a veterinary cardiologist. They obviously
                              have far more experience and knowledge with heart disease not to mention
                              better diagnostic equipment. You can ask your vet for a referral or find
                              one here - http://www.acvim.org/index.aspx?id=86

                              It sounds like your vet does have a better knowledge of heart disease than
                              most, but you're doing this for your cat and if it were you - you would
                              probably get a second opinion too.

                              Has Drew responded well to the medications? I would try to be aware of any
                              changes in his health / behavior since he has multiple problems and is on
                              many medications.

                              Once Drew has adjusted to his new situation, the next thing to do is to help
                              support his general health. There are several supplements that can really
                              do wonders including CoQ10, essential fatty acids (e.g. omega-3 oil),
                              l-carnitine, l-lysine, DMG, taurine and a good multi-vitamin / mineral
                              supplement. It's also important to have a good-quality canned (or raw) diet
                              with as few grains as possible. When you're ready, we can supply you with
                              information on dosages and sources for these things.

                              This is a great group and you can learn a lot here! Welcome!


                              Sue



                              ----- Original Message -----
                              From: "Kerry" <serrykoo@...>
                              To: <feline-heart@yahoogroups.com>
                              Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 11:58 AM
                              Subject: [FH] New to list


                              > Hello, My name is Kerry and my 16 year old kitty, Drew, has just been
                              > diagnosed with HCM.
                              >
                              > Here is a little background on Drew. He was diagnosed with
                              > intestinal lymphoma 2 years ago this month. It has been pretty well
                              > controlled with Leukeran and prednisone. He has also had problems
                              > with appetite, so he also gets cyproheptidine. A few months ago, the
                              > cancer started coming out of remission, so we increased his dosage of
                              > the leukeran and I think we have him back in remission. He is now
                              > getting Pepcid ac and reglan to help with his nausea and his appetite
                              > is better than it has been since diagnosis.
                              >
                              > About 2 weeks ago, he started coughing and since one of my other
                              > kitties had recently gone through a bout of pneumonia, I figured that
                              > Drew had caught it, too, and got antibiotics from the vet without
                              > taking him in for an x-ray. After about 5 days on the antibiotic, I
                              > noticed that he was breathing hard and so off we went to the vet. The
                              > x-ray showed some white areas in the lungs and also an enlarged
                              > heart. The vet said that he didn't hear any heartbeat abnormalities,
                              > but if the new antibiotic he was giving him didn't help his breathing
                              > in a few days that he wanted to do an ultrasound. He did the u/s on
                              > saturday and started him immediately on Enalapril once a day and
                              > Lasix 2x a day.
                              >
                              > I welcome any suggestions that any of you may have to improve Drew's
                              > quality of life.
                              >
                              > Kerry
                              >
                              >
                              >
                            • brinkett
                              ... surprised they didn t also put him on some sort of thinner to assist with that - unless that is one of the drugs they gave you. Once their heart is
                              Message 14 of 26 , Jan 24, 2006
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                                > I would be very cautious with possible clot throwing - I am
                                surprised they didn't also put him on some sort of thinner to assist
                                with that - unless that is one of the drugs they gave you. Once their
                                heart is enlarged - usually the disease is pretty severe. You caught
                                it with enough time to help prevent clot formation - but they must be
                                medicated for that.

                                Heart kitties aren't routinely put onto blood thinners. Blood thinners
                                come into play when there's reason to suspect the cat may be at a high
                                risk of throwing a clot.

                                Sarah.
                              • Sue at MAGDRL
                                My girl s heart is enlarged and her cardiologist said that her condition is moderate . She was diagnosed in November of 2004 although in retrospect, she was
                                Message 15 of 26 , Jan 24, 2006
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                                  My girl's heart is enlarged and her cardiologist said that her condition is
                                  "moderate". She was diagnosed in November of 2004 although in retrospect,
                                  she was showing symptoms at least a year before that. She's doing just fine
                                  now.


                                  Sue


                                  > Once their heart is enlarged - usually the disease is pretty severe.
                                • Darlene Handley
                                  Yes, and with an enlarged heart, the risk is high for clots. It s already at a severe stage of disease.... Cardiogenic emboli frequently complicate the
                                  Message 16 of 26 , Jan 24, 2006
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                                    Yes, and with an enlarged heart, the risk is high for clots. It's already at a severe stage of disease....

                                    "Cardiogenic emboli frequently complicate the course of myocardial disease and result in significant morbidity and mortality. "


                                    "Cardiomegaly is usually evident. In most cases biatrial enlargement is present"

                                    "Left atrial enlargement (LAE) is usually but not invariably present."

                                    http://maxshouse.com/arterial_thromboembolism.htm

                                    And, lastly, this is exactly what I mean:

                                    What causes FATE? All types of feline heart cardiomyopathy are typified by left atrial enlargement. As the atrium enlarges, blood flow becomes sluggish and promotes the formation of intracardiac thrombi. These clots are pumped out into the aorta and usually lodge at the "Y" or saddle where the aorta branches into the rear limbs. Cats with FATE present for acute rear limb paralysis. Other rule outs to consider include spinal trauma or disc disease (rare in cats). The diagnosis of FATE is made by careful exam of the rear limbs (absent femoral pulses, blue nail beds, swollen muscles) and the finding of heart disease on x-rays or ultrasound. Many cats with FATE also go into congestive heart failure, developing fluid in the lungs.

                                    So, Sarah, as you can see, when the atrium is enlarged, as this kitty has, the sluggish blood flow PROMOTES the formation of intracardiac thrombi. Kitties with enlarged hearts - not just thickening of the heart wall - are very prone to clotting.



                                    Darlene



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                                    From: brinkett
                                    To: feline-heart@yahoogroups.com
                                    Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 6:20 PM
                                    Subject: Re: [FH] New to list


                                    > I would be very cautious with possible clot throwing - I am
                                    surprised they didn't also put him on some sort of thinner to assist
                                    with that - unless that is one of the drugs they gave you. Once their
                                    heart is enlarged - usually the disease is pretty severe. You caught
                                    it with enough time to help prevent clot formation - but they must be
                                    medicated for that.

                                    Heart kitties aren't routinely put onto blood thinners. Blood thinners
                                    come into play when there's reason to suspect the cat may be at a high
                                    risk of throwing a clot.

                                    Sarah.







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                                  • Darlene Handley
                                    Obviously, this isn t going to apply to every cat, I merely suggested she ASK about the thinners and if it was appropriate because in many cases - enlarged
                                    Message 17 of 26 , Jan 24, 2006
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                                      Obviously, this isn't going to apply to every cat, I merely suggested she ASK about the thinners and if it was appropriate because in many cases - enlarged hearts are prone to clotting.
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                                      From: Sue at MAGDRL
                                      To: feline-heart@yahoogroups.com
                                      Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 8:21 PM
                                      Subject: Re: [FH] New to list


                                      My girl's heart is enlarged and her cardiologist said that her condition is
                                      "moderate". She was diagnosed in November of 2004 although in retrospect,
                                      she was showing symptoms at least a year before that. She's doing just fine
                                      now.


                                      Sue


                                      > Once their heart is enlarged - usually the disease is pretty severe.






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                                    • brinkett
                                      ... I understand that. Anything that interferes with the heart s ability to pump blood can promote the formation of clots. My point was that heart kitties
                                      Message 18 of 26 , Jan 25, 2006
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                                        > Yes, and with an enlarged heart, the risk is high for clots.

                                        I understand that. Anything that interferes with the heart's ability
                                        to pump blood can promote the formation of clots. My point was that
                                        heart kitties aren't *routinely* put on blood thinners when they have
                                        an enlarged heart. Usually there has to be more than that before a
                                        thinner is considered.

                                        Most heart kitties won't be on a thinner, so it's not unusual when a
                                        medication regimen doesn't include one. Note that I'm not talking
                                        about aspirin--I'm referring to the heavy-duty drugs.

                                        Sarah.
                                      • wolfwalker177
                                        Hello, My name is Carol. My 6.5 year old buddy (and cat), Levi, was diagnosed Dec 2, 2005 with severe CHF due to idiopathic hypertrophic cardiomyopathy. He
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                                          Hello, My name is Carol. My 6.5 year old buddy (and cat), Levi, was
                                          diagnosed Dec 2, 2005 with severe CHF due to idiopathic hypertrophic
                                          cardiomyopathy. He had not shown any previous signs of illness
                                          until 11-19-05 when he came down with an atypical cold symptoms,
                                          i.e., sneezing, runny eye, some coughing, anorexia, and lethargy.
                                          He was treated like a URI but when he started getting worse.
                                          On 11-26, I had the vet X-ray his chest to make sure he didn't have
                                          pneaumonia. There we found a grossly enlarged heart and I took him
                                          the next week to the cardiologist. (We live in Gainesville, Fl with
                                          the University of Florida).
                                          He was diagnosed with the CHF/HCM and started immediately on the
                                          following:
                                          1. Benazapril - once/day
                                          2. Diltiazen - twice/day
                                          3. Lasix - twice/day
                                          4. Plavix - once/day
                                          5. Atenelol - once/day

                                          He is holding his own and has good days and not so good days. The
                                          colder days seem to be harder on him than when it's warmer. He eats
                                          reasonably well. I try and offer him food every 2.5 hours and try
                                          any and everything as he changes his sweet little mind every day.
                                          I would so welcome any ideas/advice regarding meds, food and
                                          supplements. And, it's just nice to know there are others that
                                          understand what we're going through.
                                          He's an amazing little guy. I'm still trying to wrap my head and
                                          heart around all this. Thank you in advance for your help. Sorry
                                          for the long post. Carol and Levi
                                        • Lisa Clarizia
                                          Hi Carol and Levi, Welcome to the list, though I m sorry you had to join us! So far it sounds like you re doing everything right for Levi -- he s been to a
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                                            Hi Carol and Levi,

                                            Welcome to the list, though I'm sorry you had to join us!

                                            So far it sounds like you're doing everything right for Levi -- he's been to
                                            a cardiologist, his meds are right on track, and you are obviously watching
                                            him closely.

                                            There are lots of things you can do to help Levi, especially in terms of
                                            complementary treatments such as supplements and diet. Rosemary is our
                                            resident nutritional guru and I'm sure she'll be able to help you with his
                                            diet.

                                            My own kitty, Baby Boy, passed away at the end of last November, but he
                                            lived for fifteen months after diagnosis with severe dilated
                                            cardiomyopathy. I treated him with the usual meds, but also gave him
                                            supplements, which, I am convinced, extended his life and gave him good
                                            quality of life for much of that time. The three most important (imo)
                                            supplements are coenzyme q10, taurine, and l-carnitine. All are available
                                            in places like GNC or the Vitamin Shoppe. I would give Levi 30-60 mg of
                                            coenzyme q10 to start, and I would recommend you get the gel caps, cut them
                                            open, and mix the contents in his food. You can use powdered form, but
                                            because q10 is fat soluble, it needs to be given with food so it'll be
                                            absorbed properly. The taurine and l-carnitine can be given at 125-250 mg a
                                            day, also mixed with food -- or, since he's finicky (Baby Boy was too) you
                                            could dissolve the taurine and carnitine in water, add the q10 and syringe
                                            it in with an eyedropper if you don't want to put him off his food.

                                            I hope that helps -- welcome again, I think you will find this list is a
                                            great resource. I hope Levi keeps feeling better!

                                            Lisa

                                            On 1/27/06, wolfwalker177 <wolfwalker177@...> wrote:
                                            >
                                            > Hello, My name is Carol. My 6.5 year old buddy (and cat), Levi, was
                                            > diagnosed Dec 2, 2005 with severe CHF due to idiopathic hypertrophic
                                            > cardiomyopathy. He had not shown any previous signs of illness
                                            > until 11-19-05 when he came down with an atypical cold symptoms,
                                            > i.e., sneezing, runny eye, some coughing, anorexia, and lethargy.
                                            > He was treated like a URI but when he started getting worse.
                                            > On 11-26, I had the vet X-ray his chest to make sure he didn't have
                                            > pneaumonia. There we found a grossly enlarged heart and I took him
                                            > the next week to the cardiologist. (We live in Gainesville, Fl with
                                            > the University of Florida).
                                            > He was diagnosed with the CHF/HCM and started immediately on the
                                            > following:
                                            > 1. Benazapril - once/day
                                            > 2. Diltiazen - twice/day
                                            > 3. Lasix - twice/day
                                            > 4. Plavix - once/day
                                            > 5. Atenelol - once/day
                                            >
                                            > He is holding his own and has good days and not so good days. The
                                            > colder days seem to be harder on him than when it's warmer. He eats
                                            > reasonably well. I try and offer him food every 2.5 hours and try
                                            > any and everything as he changes his sweet little mind every day.
                                            > I would so welcome any ideas/advice regarding meds, food and
                                            > supplements. And, it's just nice to know there are others that
                                            > understand what we're going through.
                                            > He's an amazing little guy. I'm still trying to wrap my head and
                                            > heart around all this. Thank you in advance for your help. Sorry
                                            > for the long post. Carol and Levi
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                                          • savionna@aol.com
                                            Hi Carol, In a message dated 1/27/06 9:56:52 PM, lclarizia@gmail.com writes: That s good. What does he eat now (brand, flavor,
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                                              Hi Carol,

                                              In a message dated 1/27/06 9:56:52 PM, lclarizia@... writes:

                                              << He eats reasonably well. >>

                                              That's good. What does he eat now (brand, flavor, canned or dry)? And do you
                                              have a sense of how much he eats (volume)?

                                              << I try and offer him food every 2.5 hours >>

                                              Excellent. Briefly stated, cats have evolved eating small meals (like 1-oz
                                              mouse size) many times per day (up to about 15, give or take)...and their
                                              metabolism has evolved hand in hand with their feed pattern, so that it requires a
                                              steady intake of nutrients. So feeding every 2.5 hrs fits very well with the
                                              cat's metabolism.

                                              << as he changes his sweet little mind every day. >>

                                              I hear you about this. Cats, both healthy and ill, can sometimes be
                                              frustrating in terms of their appetite and taste preferences...and it is often
                                              difficult to figure out the diff. factors affecting their choices. Some cats truly
                                              develop taste fussiness (given the cat's limited taste buds), where it seems they
                                              want a diff. sensation each meal...some cats don't feel good and food (or its
                                              smell) may make them feel worse, even if they're hungry...some are seeking
                                              extra attention...or a combination of all those factors and more. So all we can
                                              do as caregivers is remain patient and do the best we can in meeting the cat's
                                              needs. If you have a sense that Levi is nauseous from his meds or there's
                                              some other problem affecting appetite that you've identified, maybe we can offer
                                              a few ideas to help manage that.

                                              << I would so welcome any ideas/advice regarding meds, food and supplements.
                                              >>

                                              Lisa gave some options for nutritional supplements that may help. If you let
                                              us know what Levi is eating, we can talk more about food. Just in general,
                                              heart cats need the same diet as all cats (with few exceptions): a high-quality,
                                              well-balanced, moisture-rich, low-carbohydrate, meat-based diet that comes as
                                              close as possible to providing the nutrient profile of a typical prey animal,
                                              with a high amt of animal protein, a moderately high amt of animal fat, and
                                              limited to no plant carbohydrate. This type of diet increases the likelihood
                                              that needed nutrients are available and reduces risk from inappropriate
                                              ingredients.

                                              If you haven't found them already, some relatively reliable sources on feline
                                              nutrition incl:

                                              1. http://home.earthlink.net/~jacm2/id1.html
                                              2. www.catinfo.org
                                              3. www.maxshouse.com/feline_nutrition.htm
                                              4. http://rocquoone.com/diet_and_health.htm
                                              5. www.advancepetfood.com.au/nutrition
                                              6. ww.drsfostersmith.com/general.cfm?siteid=0&gid=74&ref=2066&subref=AN

                                              // Rosemary
                                            • Susan
                                              Carol, It sounds like he is on the gold standard for human cardiology patients of diuertic + ACE-I plus a beta-blocker and a blood thinner, which is cool
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                                                Carol,

                                                It sounds like he is on the gold standard for human cardiology patients of diuertic + ACE-I plus a beta-blocker and a blood thinner, which is cool because vet cardiology is always behind human as they are reluctant to change the feline protocol without feline veterinary trials. The data is from animal trials to benefit humans.

                                                Susan

                                                wolfwalker177 <wolfwalker177@...> wrote:
                                                Hello, My name is Carol. My 6.5 year old buddy (and cat), Levi, was
                                                diagnosed Dec 2, 2005 with severe CHF due to idiopathic hypertrophic
                                                cardiomyopathy. He had not shown any previous signs of illness
                                                until 11-19-05 when he came down with an atypical cold symptoms,
                                                i.e., sneezing, runny eye, some coughing, anorexia, and lethargy.
                                                He was treated like a URI but when he started getting worse.
                                                On 11-26, I had the vet X-ray his chest to make sure he didn't have
                                                pneaumonia. There we found a grossly enlarged heart and I took him
                                                the next week to the cardiologist. (We live in Gainesville, Fl with
                                                the University of Florida).
                                                He was diagnosed with the CHF/HCM and started immediately on the
                                                following:
                                                1. Benazapril - once/day
                                                2. Diltiazen - twice/day
                                                3. Lasix - twice/day
                                                4. Plavix - once/day
                                                5. Atenelol - once/day

                                                He is holding his own and has good days and not so good days. The
                                                colder days seem to be harder on him than when it's warmer. He eats
                                                reasonably well. I try and offer him food every 2.5 hours and try
                                                any and everything as he changes his sweet little mind every day.
                                                I would so welcome any ideas/advice regarding meds, food and
                                                supplements. And, it's just nice to know there are others that
                                                understand what we're going through.
                                                He's an amazing little guy. I'm still trying to wrap my head and
                                                heart around all this. Thank you in advance for your help. Sorry
                                                for the long post. Carol and Levi





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                                              • monamotz
                                                Hello - I am new, have just been reading the postings until I got the call from the specialist confirming HCM for my foster cat Alvin . (just got the
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                                                  Hello -

                                                  I am new, have just been reading the postings until I got "the call"
                                                  from the specialist confirming HCM for my foster cat "Alvin". (just
                                                  got "the call")

                                                  The specialist has called in a prescription so Alvin will start it
                                                  today. I am sure as we get into this, you will see more questions
                                                  from me...

                                                  Thanks,
                                                  Mona
                                                • Leah Ferron
                                                  Hello Mona, Welcome to our group! I am glad you found us but sorry to hear about Alvin. What tests did they do to confirm HCM? What prescription did they put
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                                                    Hello Mona,

                                                    Welcome to our group! I am glad you found us but sorry to hear about Alvin. What tests did they do to confirm HCM? What prescription did they put him on? What were his symptoms that made you take him to the vet? How old is he?

                                                    Too many questions? This information just helps us to help you. There are lots of other things that you can give to Alvin that will help him feel better and possibly slow the progression of the disease. One of the most important supplements that you can give him is CoEnzymeQ10 (CoQ10). There are others too. If you want more information just email me. The other thing you can do is make sure that Alvin is eating a good quality wet food. If you need more information about what food is best just post a question and our resident nutrition guru, Rosemary, will give you great information. Son't be afraid to ask any questions you may have even if you think it isn't heart related because it often is.

                                                    Again, welcome to you and Alvin.

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                                                  • Sue at MAGDRL
                                                    Mona. Welcome to the group although you have my sympathy for joining. This can be a very scary time when you first find out. I m not sure what latitude you
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                                                      Mona.

                                                      Welcome to the group although you have my sympathy for joining.

                                                      This can be a very scary time when you first find out. I'm not sure what
                                                      latitude you have with treatment since Alvin is a foster. It's great that
                                                      they are willing to take care of him.

                                                      How was he diagnosed? What symptoms was he showing that you had him
                                                      checked? Is he seeing a cardiologist or an internist or someone else?

                                                      What prescription(s) / dose(s) will he be getting?

                                                      Once you have all that information, pass it along and we can chat more.
                                                      Supplements such as CoQ10 and some amino acids like l-carnitine and l-lysine
                                                      and help a lot as can a good-quality canned food diet.

                                                      We'll be here for you!


                                                      Sue


                                                      ----- Original Message -----
                                                      From: "monamotz" <monamotz@...>
                                                      To: <feline-heart@yahoogroups.com>
                                                      Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 12:16 PM
                                                      Subject: [FH] New to list


                                                      > Hello -
                                                      >
                                                      > I am new, have just been reading the postings until I got "the call"
                                                      > from the specialist confirming HCM for my foster cat "Alvin". (just
                                                      > got "the call")
                                                      >
                                                      > The specialist has called in a prescription so Alvin will start it
                                                      > today. I am sure as we get into this, you will see more questions
                                                      > from me...
                                                      >
                                                      > Thanks,
                                                      > Mona
                                                      >
                                                      >
                                                    • Mona Motz
                                                      Wow! Thanks Leah. This is the kind of info I need. I have some CoEnzymeQ10 for my stomatitis cats. Hmmm. OK here is what happened with Alvin. I do cat
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                                                        Wow! Thanks Leah. This is the kind of info I need.

                                                        I have some CoEnzymeQ10 for my stomatitis cats. Hmmm.

                                                        OK here is what happened with Alvin. I do cat rescue on a very large scale. So there was a black cat walking thru my yard last December (2005), and I nearly had a heart attack because I thought my guys had popped out a screen (we are in Florida and the windows are open in December). That would mean I would be doing cat roundup for absolutely hours and hours, possibly days.....

                                                        So as I approached this cat (it was dusk, so hard to see) I was sweet-talking it...and I got close up and said "hey, you're not my cat!". So I scooped him up and took him inside, he was very nice about it. Talk about the most easygoing cat, to walk into a house with him in my arms, a house that smells like the 1,200 or so cats and kittens that have been thru there in the past 6 years...that right there is testimony to his attitude. :)

                                                        So into a cage he went. He got the usual...Advantage, wormer. A couple of days later off to the vet to get tested, shots, neutered. (he was FIV+ which wasn't a surprise considering his scarring and gland size, but boy was I glad to avoid FeLV). On the way in the car he was saying "AL!" "AL!" So his name became Alvin.

                                                        He adjusted well and was out and about in the foster room soon (our 2-car garage). He gained weight and started to limp. So off to the vet we go. Xrays showed ALOT of things...his enlarged heart, his cloudy lungs, and 35+ b-b's under his skin! One of the b-b's is all smushed looking next to his shoulder, which is where his limp is, so it must have made some good contact with the bone.

                                                        During this exam we drew blood for a Bartonella test (he was positive and treated). Also he was found to have what looks to be Lymphatic Plasmacell Stomatitis in his mouth. He doesn't complain about this at all, nor is he desperate for a dental at this point, which is surprising considering he has probably never had one.

                                                        At this point we revised his age from 4-5 to more like 7-8 yrs, although we still aren't sure. His eyes are so clear; he just doesn't have that "senior" look in his eyes.

                                                        Oh and did I mention with his weight gain he was 20 pounds 12 ounces? Not overweight either, just absolutely huge. He has a big old tomcat head to match!

                                                        Another clue is he doesn't groom, but he occasionally grooms other cats. Odd.

                                                        Lucky for me (and my pocketbook) he got a free ultrasound because my vet just got the machine and was practicing. He was a great patient because he just laid there and enjoyed the 45 minutes of nonstop attention. They even did it a second time and he was just the same great patient. They copied it to a CD and the specialist used that CD rather than another ultrasound (I really lucked out).

                                                        I went to the specialist with the CD and Xrays but the CD was blank (!) so I had to get it copied again and drive it over later.

                                                        The specialist just confirmed today that the left side of Alvin's heart has problems and he has prescribed 1/2 Diltiazem per day (this is the capsule that has 4 pills in it, 1/2 of one of the 4 pills).

                                                        I am supposed to let him know if there is no improvement.

                                                        At this point Alvin's diet is Nutro Weight Management. He also gets a heaping tsp of a/d in the morning with glucosamine and Felovite II, at my regular vet's recommendation. He loves canned food but cannot eat the chunky kind very well, so I stick to the smoother ones. He makes the least mess with a/d so I feed that in self-defense :)

                                                        We did a full blood profile on him, thyroid - the works. Also a heartworm test, twice, which came back positive AND negative, I cannot remember the details now, but both the specialist and the vet have ruled out heartworm.

                                                        Any suggestions are appreciated. At this point he is only active to get to food, water, or pan. Otherwise he just lays around, which is absolutely no fun for a cat!

                                                        His picture is on our website www.pawsfla.com.

                                                        Thanks!
                                                        Mona

                                                        Leah Ferron <leahandhercats@...> wrote:
                                                        Hello Mona,

                                                        Welcome to our group! I am glad you found us but sorry to hear about Alvin. What tests did they do to confirm HCM? What prescription did they put him on? What were his symptoms that made you take him to the vet? How old is he?

                                                        Too many questions? This information just helps us to help you. There are lots of other things that you can give to Alvin that will help him feel better and possibly slow the progression of the disease. One of the most important supplements that you can give him is CoEnzymeQ10 (CoQ10). There are others too. If you want more information just email me. The other thing you can do is make sure that Alvin is eating a good quality wet food. If you need more information about what food is best just post a question and our resident nutrition guru, Rosemary, will give you great information. Son't be afraid to ask any questions you may have even if you think it isn't heart related because it often is.

                                                        Again, welcome to you and Alvin.

                                                        Leah and her cats and Angel Alec



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