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  • Pam Vojtas
    Dear Myra, I ve cut and pasted from several other mail messages on this subject: Run, don t walk, to http://www.felinecrf.org/diet_and_nutrition.htm
    Message 1 of 11 , Jul 8, 2002
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      Dear Myra,
      I've cut and pasted from several other mail messages on this subject:

      Run, don't walk, to http://www.felinecrf.org/diet_and_nutrition.htm
      <http://www.felinecrf.org/diet_and_nutrition.htm> . There is lots of great
      info on the section on "Persuading Your Cat to Eat", and if these ideas
      don't help, check out "Assisted Feeding".

      Don't let Bob go on without eating, CRF kitties are already not 100%.

      I syringe-fed Maggie a concoction of meat baby food with a bit of veggie
      baby food (peas, squash or sweet potatoes) and some low-sodium broth to thin
      for a week. This got her through to be examined by a specialist and on new
      meds. It's important to identify the root cause of her lack of appetite. It
      could be because Bob is feeling lousy for a variety of reasons: nausea,
      anemia, low levels of potassium, etc. Maggie's meds now include Pepcid AC
      (for stomach acid, which causes nausea), potassium supplements, and
      Pet-tinic, an iron supplement.

      Sh also started getting an appetite stimulant (Cyproheptadine, which is
      actually a human antihistamine). It certainly works! (Though the Vet first
      started her on 1/2 tablet 2 Xs a day, but that made Maggie crazy! She
      started howling and couldn't get any sleep, so we cut her dose way down.)
      She's been eating on her own for the last 7 weeks, interspersed with
      occasional baby food if needed. Things are going well so far.

      Keep in touch on Bob's status, good luck!

      Pam and Maggie May

      -----
      From: soupbone7420 [mailto:mdetate@...]
      Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 4:13 AM
      To: feline-heart@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: [FH] Please Help - Bob won't eat


      My kitty, Bob, was just diagnosed with HCM. Bob is 7yrs old & has
      been a very active indoor/outdoor cat. When Bob did not greet me
      with his usual vocal complaints on June 27th, I went looking for
      him. I found him on the bed sleeping, but when I touched him, he
      was very hot! We rushed him to an emergency vet & he had a temp of
      106 and harsh breathing. After being in ICU for a week, we brought
      him home with multiple meds; Atenolol, Potassium Gluconate,
      Furosemide, Theophylline, & Clavamox. He's taking the pills well,
      but I haven't been able to get him to eat. He drinks water on his
      own & pees in box 3 times a day. Finally had a BM today after a
      trip to vet for recheck of blood. I got him to eat liquified shrimp
      & water on July 4th, but haven't gotten him to do more then taste
      food since. I am desperate to find some way to get him to eat.
      Please help.

      Thank you,
      Myra


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    • thesinomen
      Myra: Have you considered syringe feeding? When my Sidney was diagnosed with HCM he stopped eating. We syringe-fed for a few days and his appetite went back
      Message 2 of 11 , Jul 8, 2002
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        Myra:

        Have you considered syringe feeding? When my Sidney was
        diagnosed with HCM he stopped eating. We syringe-fed for a few days
        and his appetite went back to normal. Let me know if you need a
        recipe for the formula. Also, I have cyprohepdamine (sp) if you
        would like to try. It didn't work with Sid at all. It could be the
        meds are making him feel yucky enough not to eat. It's so hard to
        see them that way.....Good luck with Bob!


        --- In feline-heart@y..., Pam Vojtas <pam.vojtas@d...> wrote:
        > Dear Myra,
        > I've cut and pasted from several other mail messages on this
        subject:
        >
        > Run, don't walk, to http://www.felinecrf.org/diet_and_nutrition.htm
        > <http://www.felinecrf.org/diet_and_nutrition.htm> . There is lots
        of great
        > info on the section on "Persuading Your Cat to Eat", and if these
        ideas
        > don't help, check out "Assisted Feeding".
        >
        > Don't let Bob go on without eating, CRF kitties are already not
        100%.
        >
        > I syringe-fed Maggie a concoction of meat baby food with a bit of
        veggie
        > baby food (peas, squash or sweet potatoes) and some low-sodium
        broth to thin
        > for a week. This got her through to be examined by a specialist and
        on new
        > meds. It's important to identify the root cause of her lack of
        appetite. It
        > could be because Bob is feeling lousy for a variety of reasons:
        nausea,
        > anemia, low levels of potassium, etc. Maggie's meds now include
        Pepcid AC
        > (for stomach acid, which causes nausea), potassium supplements, and
        > Pet-tinic, an iron supplement.
        >
        > Sh also started getting an appetite stimulant (Cyproheptadine,
        which is
        > actually a human antihistamine). It certainly works! (Though the
        Vet first
        > started her on 1/2 tablet 2 Xs a day, but that made Maggie crazy!
        She
        > started howling and couldn't get any sleep, so we cut her dose way
        down.)
        > She's been eating on her own for the last 7 weeks, interspersed with
        > occasional baby food if needed. Things are going well so far.
        >
        > Keep in touch on Bob's status, good luck!
        >
        > Pam and Maggie May
        >
        > -----
        > From: soupbone7420 [mailto:mdetate@a...]
        > Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 4:13 AM
        > To: feline-heart@y...
        > Subject: [FH] Please Help - Bob won't eat
        >
        >
        > My kitty, Bob, was just diagnosed with HCM. Bob is 7yrs old & has
        > been a very active indoor/outdoor cat. When Bob did not greet me
        > with his usual vocal complaints on June 27th, I went looking for
        > him. I found him on the bed sleeping, but when I touched him, he
        > was very hot! We rushed him to an emergency vet & he had a temp of
        > 106 and harsh breathing. After being in ICU for a week, we brought
        > him home with multiple meds; Atenolol, Potassium Gluconate,
        > Furosemide, Theophylline, & Clavamox. He's taking the pills well,
        > but I haven't been able to get him to eat. He drinks water on his
        > own & pees in box 3 times a day. Finally had a BM today after a
        > trip to vet for recheck of blood. I got him to eat liquified
        shrimp
        > & water on July 4th, but haven't gotten him to do more then taste
        > food since. I am desperate to find some way to get him to eat.
        > Please help.
        >
        > Thank you,
        > Myra
        >
        >
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      • soupbone7420
        Dear Pam & Maggie May, Thank you so much for your reply. My vet gave me an appetite stimulant yesterday, Periactin, but after giving it to Bob twice
        Message 3 of 11 , Jul 8, 2002
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          Dear Pam & Maggie May,
          Thank you so much for your reply. My vet gave me an appetite
          stimulant yesterday, Periactin, but after giving it to Bob twice
          yesterday, it seemed to give him diarrhea & made him very restless
          without aiding his appetite.
          How do you syringe feed? I have a baby syringe. Bob would only eat
          Iams Lamb & Rice dry food before this illness. He has never liked
          wet food of any kind. I am going to the local Petsmart to try to
          find different foods to try.

          Thank you so much,
          Myra & Bob


          --- In feline-heart@y..., Pam Vojtas <pam.vojtas@d...> wrote:
          > Dear Myra,
          > I've cut and pasted from several other mail messages on this
          subject:
          >
          > Run, don't walk, to
          http://www.felinecrf.org/diet_and_nutrition.htm
          > <http://www.felinecrf.org/diet_and_nutrition.htm> . There is lots
          of great
          > info on the section on "Persuading Your Cat to Eat", and if these
          ideas
          > don't help, check out "Assisted Feeding".
          >
          > Don't let Bob go on without eating, CRF kitties are already not
          100%.
          >
          > I syringe-fed Maggie a concoction of meat baby food with a bit of
          veggie
          > baby food (peas, squash or sweet potatoes) and some low-sodium
          broth to thin
          > for a week. This got her through to be examined by a specialist
          and on new
          > meds. It's important to identify the root cause of her lack of
          appetite. It
          > could be because Bob is feeling lousy for a variety of reasons:
          nausea,
          > anemia, low levels of potassium, etc. Maggie's meds now include
          Pepcid AC
          > (for stomach acid, which causes nausea), potassium supplements, and
          > Pet-tinic, an iron supplement.
          >
          > Sh also started getting an appetite stimulant (Cyproheptadine,
          which is
          > actually a human antihistamine). It certainly works! (Though the
          Vet first
          > started her on 1/2 tablet 2 Xs a day, but that made Maggie crazy!
          She
          > started howling and couldn't get any sleep, so we cut her dose way
          down.)
          > She's been eating on her own for the last 7 weeks, interspersed
          with
          > occasional baby food if needed. Things are going well so far.
          >
          > Keep in touch on Bob's status, good luck!
          >
          > Pam and Maggie May
          >
          > -----
          > From: soupbone7420 [mailto:mdetate@a...]
          > Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 4:13 AM
          > To: feline-heart@y...
          > Subject: [FH] Please Help - Bob won't eat
          >
          >
          > My kitty, Bob, was just diagnosed with HCM. Bob is 7yrs old & has
          > been a very active indoor/outdoor cat. When Bob did not greet me
          > with his usual vocal complaints on June 27th, I went looking for
          > him. I found him on the bed sleeping, but when I touched him, he
          > was very hot! We rushed him to an emergency vet & he had a temp of
          > 106 and harsh breathing. After being in ICU for a week, we
          brought
          > him home with multiple meds; Atenolol, Potassium Gluconate,
          > Furosemide, Theophylline, & Clavamox. He's taking the pills well,
          > but I haven't been able to get him to eat. He drinks water on his
          > own & pees in box 3 times a day. Finally had a BM today after a
          > trip to vet for recheck of blood. I got him to eat liquified
          shrimp
          > & water on July 4th, but haven't gotten him to do more then taste
          > food since. I am desperate to find some way to get him to eat.
          > Please help.
          >
          > Thank you,
          > Myra
          >
          >
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        • Karen LeBlanc
          Myra: Sorry to hear about Bob and his eating problems. My Bailey didn t go for wet foods either before but I had such a hard time giving him meds even in
          Message 4 of 11 , Jul 8, 2002
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            Myra:
            Sorry to hear about Bob and his eating problems. My Bailey didn't go for
            wet foods either before but I had such a hard time giving him meds even in
            liquid form I decided to try it. I finally found a couple of flavors he
            likes though. When I first put it out he would just smell it and walk away.
            So I tried to act like I didn't care if he ate it and left it out for a
            while. About 10 minutes later he came back and ate the whole thing.

            It may just be a matter of finding the right flavor. I've also heard that
            some pharmacies will compound medicines into flavored liquids that some cats
            actually like the taste of.

            Anyway, hope Bob starts eating soon. Keep us posted.
            K


            -----Original Message-----
            From: soupbone7420 [mailto:mdetate@...]
            Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 11:30 AM
            To: feline-heart@yahoogroups.com
            Subject: Re: [FH] Please Help - Bob won't eat


            Dear Pam & Maggie May,
            Thank you so much for your reply. My vet gave me an appetite
            stimulant yesterday, Periactin, but after giving it to Bob twice
            yesterday, it seemed to give him diarrhea & made him very restless
            without aiding his appetite.
            How do you syringe feed? I have a baby syringe. Bob would only eat
            Iams Lamb & Rice dry food before this illness. He has never liked
            wet food of any kind. I am going to the local Petsmart to try to
            find different foods to try.

            Thank you so much,
            Myra & Bob


            --- In feline-heart@y..., Pam Vojtas <pam.vojtas@d...> wrote:
            > Dear Myra,
            > I've cut and pasted from several other mail messages on this
            subject:
            >
            > Run, don't walk, to
            http://www.felinecrf.org/diet_and_nutrition.htm
            > <http://www.felinecrf.org/diet_and_nutrition.htm> . There is lots
            of great
            > info on the section on "Persuading Your Cat to Eat", and if these
            ideas
            > don't help, check out "Assisted Feeding".
            >
            > Don't let Bob go on without eating, CRF kitties are already not
            100%.
            >
            > I syringe-fed Maggie a concoction of meat baby food with a bit of
            veggie
            > baby food (peas, squash or sweet potatoes) and some low-sodium
            broth to thin
            > for a week. This got her through to be examined by a specialist
            and on new
            > meds. It's important to identify the root cause of her lack of
            appetite. It
            > could be because Bob is feeling lousy for a variety of reasons:
            nausea,
            > anemia, low levels of potassium, etc. Maggie's meds now include
            Pepcid AC
            > (for stomach acid, which causes nausea), potassium supplements, and
            > Pet-tinic, an iron supplement.
            >
            > Sh also started getting an appetite stimulant (Cyproheptadine,
            which is
            > actually a human antihistamine). It certainly works! (Though the
            Vet first
            > started her on 1/2 tablet 2 Xs a day, but that made Maggie crazy!
            She
            > started howling and couldn't get any sleep, so we cut her dose way
            down.)
            > She's been eating on her own for the last 7 weeks, interspersed
            with
            > occasional baby food if needed. Things are going well so far.
            >
            > Keep in touch on Bob's status, good luck!
            >
            > Pam and Maggie May
            >
            > -----
            > From: soupbone7420 [mailto:mdetate@a...]
            > Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 4:13 AM
            > To: feline-heart@y...
            > Subject: [FH] Please Help - Bob won't eat
            >
            >
            > My kitty, Bob, was just diagnosed with HCM. Bob is 7yrs old & has
            > been a very active indoor/outdoor cat. When Bob did not greet me
            > with his usual vocal complaints on June 27th, I went looking for
            > him. I found him on the bed sleeping, but when I touched him, he
            > was very hot! We rushed him to an emergency vet & he had a temp of
            > 106 and harsh breathing. After being in ICU for a week, we
            brought
            > him home with multiple meds; Atenolol, Potassium Gluconate,
            > Furosemide, Theophylline, & Clavamox. He's taking the pills well,
            > but I haven't been able to get him to eat. He drinks water on his
            > own & pees in box 3 times a day. Finally had a BM today after a
            > trip to vet for recheck of blood. I got him to eat liquified
            shrimp
            > & water on July 4th, but haven't gotten him to do more then taste
            > food since. I am desperate to find some way to get him to eat.
            > Please help.
            >
            > Thank you,
            > Myra
            >
            >
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          • Bill & Linda Fischbach
            Hi Myra, I am presently syringe feeding 2 cats (of course different foods). I have a Vita-Mix, and blend premium cat food, pumpkin, peas, chicken and fiber.
            Message 5 of 11 , Jul 8, 2002
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              Hi Myra,

              I am presently syringe feeding 2 cats (of course different foods). I have
              a Vita-Mix, and blend premium cat food, pumpkin, peas, chicken and fiber.
              I add water if necessary to get the consistency right -- thick, but thin
              enough to pull into a syringe.

              One of my cats likes the 5ml (1tsp) oral syringe that you can get in
              pharmacies for children's oral medication; when full this holds about 7-8ml.
              The other cat likes the 1/2 ounce syringe made by Top Paw and sold in pet
              stores.

              I use velcro-closure all cloth bibs to keep kitty clean (although we don't
              spill much now). I put Mittens on a purr pad on the couch, and sit between
              him and the edge of the couch. I put my left arm around him to tip his
              head back, and syringe with my right hand. The 5ml syringe gives 2
              squirts. I feed Missy wherever she is, or wherever she wants to be fed;
              she prefers a box in the kitchen or her hammock in the living room.

              I have a group for Assisted Feeding
              http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline-Assisted-Feeding/?yguid=8599719
              The group is not too active, but it could be.

              Linda

              ----- Original Message -----
              From: "soupbone7420" <mdetate@...>
              To: <feline-heart@yahoogroups.com>
              Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 12:29 PM
              Subject: Re: [FH] Please Help - Bob won't eat


              > Dear Pam & Maggie May,
              > Thank you so much for your reply. My vet gave me an appetite
              > stimulant yesterday, Periactin, but after giving it to Bob twice
              > yesterday, it seemed to give him diarrhea & made him very restless
              > without aiding his appetite.
              > How do you syringe feed? I have a baby syringe. Bob would only eat
              > Iams Lamb & Rice dry food before this illness. He has never liked
              > wet food of any kind. I am going to the local Petsmart to try to
              > find different foods to try.
              >
              > Thank you so much,
              > Myra & Bob
            • Pam Vojtas
              Myra, You may want to give the Peractin (same as Cyproheptadine) a chance. How much did you give Bob? My Vet prescribed 1/2 tablet 2Xs a day, but that was
              Message 6 of 11 , Jul 8, 2002
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                Myra,
                You may want to give the Peractin (same as Cyproheptadine) a chance. How
                much did you give Bob? My Vet prescribed 1/2 tablet 2Xs a day, but that was
                WAAAY too much for Mggie (she howled, couldn't sleep etc.) Now she gets 1/6
                in the am and sometimes at night.

                I see there have been several posts about syringe feeeding (I liked the idea
                of using a bib, I sometimes get baby fod all over me and have shot a syringe
                full across the living room!) I know some folks puree canned food which is
                probably the best idea for long term (has the right nutrients and taurine,
                etc), but for short term feeding, I use a baby food concoction (Maggie likes
                it!) My recipe is one jar of Beechnut meat baby food (chicken, beef or
                lamb), with 1/3 jar of Beechnut baby food veggies (peas, squash, sweet
                potatoes, just make sure there is no onion powder), a tsp or two of low
                sodium chicken broth to thin it a bit (Cambell's) and 1/4 pat melted
                unsalted butter. Warm it a little bit in the microwave - check with your
                finger. I use the small 3 CC syringes (my Vet gave me a few, then I ordered
                them from Drssmithandfoster.com. I do 3 or 4 squirts each syringe-full. I
                try for 6 or 7 syringes each sitting or until Maggie seems to obviously have
                had enough. If she wasn't eating at all, I'd give 4 times a day, but if she
                eats a little on her own, you can adjust. There are also some posts on the
                CRF page on how much is needed to sustain a cat based on weight and calories
                in the food you're feeding. By the way, if it is tasty enough, you can try
                finger feeding her the baby food mess, but this takes a lot longer.

                Good luck and let us know how Bob does!

                Pam and Maggie

                -----Original Message-----
                From: soupbone7420 [mailto:mdetate@...]
                Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 12:30 PM
                To: feline-heart@yahoogroups.com
                Subject: Re: [FH] Please Help - Bob won't eat


                Dear Pam & Maggie May,
                Thank you so much for your reply. My vet gave me an appetite
                stimulant yesterday, Periactin, but after giving it to Bob twice
                yesterday, it seemed to give him diarrhea & made him very restless
                without aiding his appetite.
                How do you syringe feed? I have a baby syringe. Bob would only eat
                Iams Lamb & Rice dry food before this illness. He has never liked
                wet food of any kind. I am going to the local Petsmart to try to
                find different foods to try.

                Thank you so much,
                Myra & Bob


                --- In feline-heart@y..., Pam Vojtas <pam.vojtas@d...> wrote:
                > Dear Myra,
                > I've cut and pasted from several other mail messages on this
                subject:
                >
                > Run, don't walk, to
                http://www.felinecrf.org/diet_and_nutrition.htm
                <http://www.felinecrf.org/diet_and_nutrition.htm>
                > < http://www.felinecrf.org/diet_and_nutrition.htm
                <http://www.felinecrf.org/diet_and_nutrition.htm> > . There is lots
                of great
                > info on the section on "Persuading Your Cat to Eat", and if these
                ideas
                > don't help, check out "Assisted Feeding".
                >
                > Don't let Bob go on without eating, CRF kitties are already not
                100%.
                >
                > I syringe-fed Maggie a concoction of meat baby food with a bit of
                veggie
                > baby food (peas, squash or sweet potatoes) and some low-sodium
                broth to thin
                > for a week. This got her through to be examined by a specialist
                and on new
                > meds. It's important to identify the root cause of her lack of
                appetite. It
                > could be because Bob is feeling lousy for a variety of reasons:
                nausea,
                > anemia, low levels of potassium, etc. Maggie's meds now include
                Pepcid AC
                > (for stomach acid, which causes nausea), potassium supplements, and
                > Pet-tinic, an iron supplement.
                >
                > Sh also started getting an appetite stimulant (Cyproheptadine,
                which is
                > actually a human antihistamine). It certainly works! (Though the
                Vet first
                > started her on 1/2 tablet 2 Xs a day, but that made Maggie crazy!
                She
                > started howling and couldn't get any sleep, so we cut her dose way
                down.)
                > She's been eating on her own for the last 7 weeks, interspersed
                with
                > occasional baby food if needed. Things are going well so far.
                >
                > Keep in touch on Bob's status, good luck!
                >
                > Pam and Maggie May
                >
                > -----
                > From: soupbone7420 [mailto:mdetate@a...]
                > Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 4:13 AM
                > To: feline-heart@y...
                > Subject: [FH] Please Help - Bob won't eat
                >
                >
                > My kitty, Bob, was just diagnosed with HCM. Bob is 7yrs old & has
                > been a very active indoor/outdoor cat. When Bob did not greet me
                > with his usual vocal complaints on June 27th, I went looking for
                > him. I found him on the bed sleeping, but when I touched him, he
                > was very hot! We rushed him to an emergency vet & he had a temp of
                > 106 and harsh breathing. After being in ICU for a week, we
                brought
                > him home with multiple meds; Atenolol, Potassium Gluconate,
                > Furosemide, Theophylline, & Clavamox. He's taking the pills well,
                > but I haven't been able to get him to eat. He drinks water on his
                > own & pees in box 3 times a day. Finally had a BM today after a
                > trip to vet for recheck of blood. I got him to eat liquified
                shrimp
                > & water on July 4th, but haven't gotten him to do more then taste
                > food since. I am desperate to find some way to get him to eat.
                > Please help.
                >
                > Thank you,
                > Myra
                >
                >
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              • Anyes Moscrip
                ... This is just a reminder not to use Cyproheptadine if your kitty is taking a calcium channel blocker (norvasc, diltiazem). This combo killed my cat and
                Message 7 of 11 , Jul 8, 2002
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                  Pam Vojtas wrote:

                  > Myra,
                  > You may want to give the Peractin (same as Cyproheptadine) a chance.

                  This is just a reminder not to use Cyproheptadine if your kitty is taking a
                  calcium channel blocker (norvasc, diltiazem). This combo killed my cat and
                  potentially some other kitties on the list from the feedback I have gotten. It
                  is listed in Don Plumb's book of pills as a combo to avoid for its potential
                  effect.

                  Not all kitties react to this combo, but because it did not happen in the past
                  does not mean it can't happen in the future like it did to us. We had used it
                  several times with no problems till we had a problem.

                  Anyes and the girls, including sweet angel Lucie (hcm/crf)
                • soupbone7420
                  Dear Pam Bob is taking Atenolol, Potassium Gluconate, Theophylline, & Furosemide. I don t think any of those are calcium channel blockers, but as I am so new
                  Message 8 of 11 , Jul 8, 2002
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                    Dear Pam

                    Bob is taking Atenolol, Potassium Gluconate, Theophylline, &
                    Furosemide. I don't think any of those are calcium channel
                    blockers, but as I am so new to this, I could certainly be wrong.
                    Please let me know if this is true. I decided to try on of the
                    suggestions to 1/6 of tab instead of 1/2. & will try once a day
                    instead of twice. Thank you for your help.

                    Lots of kitty kisses,

                    Myra & Bob
                    --- In feline-heart@y..., Anyes Moscrip <anyes@i...> wrote:
                    >
                    >
                    > Pam Vojtas wrote:
                    >
                    > > Myra,
                    > > You may want to give the Peractin (same as Cyproheptadine) a
                    chance.
                    >
                    > This is just a reminder not to use Cyproheptadine if your kitty is
                    taking a
                    > calcium channel blocker (norvasc, diltiazem). This combo killed
                    my cat and
                    > potentially some other kitties on the list from the feedback I
                    have gotten. It
                    > is listed in Don Plumb's book of pills as a combo to avoid for its
                    potential
                    > effect.
                    >
                    > Not all kitties react to this combo, but because it did not happen
                    in the past
                    > does not mean it can't happen in the future like it did to us. We
                    had used it
                    > several times with no problems till we had a problem.
                    >
                    > Anyes and the girls, including sweet angel Lucie (hcm/crf)
                  • Pam Vojtas
                    Myra, I m not an expert on Bob s meds - best post to the group and/or ask your Vet. As for adjustig the Cypro (or any other meds), you have to adjust based on
                    Message 9 of 11 , Jul 8, 2002
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                      Myra,
                      I'm not an expert on Bob's meds - best post to the group and/or ask your
                      Vet. As for adjustig the Cypro (or any other meds), you have to adjust based
                      on your observations (I try to keep records of how Maggie is feeling, what
                      she is eating, drinking, peeing or pooping, etc.) Mags is only 7 1/2 lbs
                      and sometimes the 1/4 cypro would cause "binging and purging" (just like
                      Princess Di :) ) So see what dosage of cypro works for Bob. Cypro sticks
                      around in the systems of CRF kitties so 2 Xs a day *may* not be needed.

                      Anyway, trust your gut!
                      Pam and Maggie May

                      ----- Original Message -----
                      From: "soupbone7420" <mdetate@...>
                      To: <feline-heart@yahoogroups.com>
                      Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 11:28 PM
                      Subject: Re: [FH] Please Help - Bob won't eat


                      > Dear Pam
                      >
                      > Bob is taking Atenolol, Potassium Gluconate, Theophylline, &
                      > Furosemide. I don't think any of those are calcium channel
                      > blockers, but as I am so new to this, I could certainly be wrong.
                      > Please let me know if this is true. I decided to try on of the
                      > suggestions to 1/6 of tab instead of 1/2. & will try once a day
                      > instead of twice. Thank you for your help.
                      >
                      > Lots of kitty kisses,
                      >
                      > Myra & Bob
                      > --- In feline-heart@y..., Anyes Moscrip <anyes@i...> wrote:
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > Pam Vojtas wrote:
                      > >
                      > > > Myra,
                      > > > You may want to give the Peractin (same as Cyproheptadine) a
                      > chance.
                      > >
                      > > This is just a reminder not to use Cyproheptadine if your kitty is
                      > taking a
                      > > calcium channel blocker (norvasc, diltiazem). This combo killed
                      > my cat and
                      > > potentially some other kitties on the list from the feedback I
                      > have gotten. It
                      > > is listed in Don Plumb's book of pills as a combo to avoid for its
                      > potential
                      > > effect.
                      > >
                      > > Not all kitties react to this combo, but because it did not happen
                      > in the past
                      > > does not mean it can't happen in the future like it did to us. We
                      > had used it
                      > > several times with no problems till we had a problem.
                      > >
                      > > Anyes and the girls, including sweet angel Lucie (hcm/crf)
                      >
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                    • Anyes Moscrip
                      ... No Atenolol is not a calcium channel blocker. If you use the cyproheptadine, it s better to start a low dose as Pam suggested, some use the equivalent of a
                      Message 10 of 11 , Jul 9, 2002
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                        soupbone7420 wrote:

                        > Bob is taking Atenolol, Potassium Gluconate, Theophylline, & Furosemide. I
                        > don't think any of those are calcium channel
                        > blockers, but as I am so new to this, I could certainly be wrong.

                        No Atenolol is not a calcium channel blocker.
                        If you use the cyproheptadine, it's better to start a low dose as Pam
                        suggested, some use the equivalent of a pinhead to start with. Some kitties
                        get very hyper and vocal on cyproheptadine, and usually the dose can be
                        adjusted to a much smaller dose if you get that effect.

                        I hope this helps,
                        Anyes and the girls
                      • marcijoy2002
                        Where can I find the source that says that you can t mix Cyproheptadine with a calcium channel blocker? I tried a Google search but couldn t find anything.
                        Message 11 of 11 , Jul 9, 2002
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                          Where can I find the source that says that you can't mix
                          Cyproheptadine with a calcium channel blocker? I tried a Google
                          search but couldn't find anything. Morris is on diltiazem and is
                          going to the vet Saturday because he's not eating as much (see my
                          other post). If the vet suggests cyproheptadine, I would like to be
                          able to have an "official" source explaining why I should not give it.
                          (Actually, he will probably consult with a cardiologist, and the
                          cardiologist will do the prescribing.)

                          Marcia and Morris


                          --- In feline-heart@y..., Anyes Moscrip <anyes@i...> wrote:
                          >
                          >
                          > Pam Vojtas wrote:
                          >
                          > > Myra,
                          > > You may want to give the Peractin (same as Cyproheptadine) a
                          chance.
                          >
                          > This is just a reminder not to use Cyproheptadine if your kitty is
                          taking a
                          > calcium channel blocker (norvasc, diltiazem). This combo killed my
                          cat and
                          > potentially some other kitties on the list from the feedback I have
                          gotten. It
                          > is listed in Don Plumb's book of pills as a combo to avoid for its
                          potential
                          > effect.
                          >
                          > Not all kitties react to this combo, but because it did not happen
                          in the past
                          > does not mean it can't happen in the future like it did to us. We
                          had used it
                          > several times with no problems till we had a problem.
                          >
                          > Anyes and the girls, including sweet angel Lucie (hcm/crf)
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