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  • Blakey Girl
    Hi guys. So for the past few days my four year old HCM sphynx was breathing super heavy (around 54 breaths a minute) and yesterday we went to the vet. She told
    Message 1 of 5 , Dec 22, 2013
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      Hi guys. So for the past few days my four year old HCM sphynx was breathing super heavy (around 54 breaths a minute) and yesterday we went to the vet. She told me he's in congestive heart failure with both pleural effusion and pulmonary edema. She gave him two high doses of lasix IM and after that they said his respiratory rate was 54. Last night he had another dose of oral lasix and again this morning. His resting respiratory rate seems to be 34/36 and awake I'm counting 40.  The vet basically told be she's doing this to give me and him a little more time to say goodbye but I wanted to get someopinions from you guys. Has anyone had a cat in ccongestive heart failure who survived with that kind of breathing? Thanks guys!
    • Elfinmyst
      Hi there Please don t give up yet. With CHF there are two important things. One is lasix to get the fluid off the chest, the other is a medication to help the
      Message 2 of 5 , Dec 22, 2013
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        Hi there

        Please don't give up yet. With CHF there are two important things. One is lasix to get the fluid off the chest, the other is a medication to help the heart. What meds is Schmutz on? When my cats go into CHF they either add or increase a drug, like atenolol, fortekor, vetmedin. Let us know what he's on. Also you can add a second diuretic called spironolactone. The important thing is to get fluid off the chest and that requires heavy lasix sometimes. What doses are you giving?

        Lyn
      • Emily Valentin
        Hi Blake and schmutz, My cat tiger is currently recuperating from CHF. He has been there 4+ times. He is on 12.5 lasix once a day, enalapril and vetmedin. Yes
        Message 3 of 5 , Dec 22, 2013
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          Hi Blake and schmutz, 

          My cat tiger is currently recuperating from CHF. He has been there 4+ times. He is on 12.5 lasix once a day, enalapril and vetmedin. Yes kitties can recuperate and live after having a bout of CHF. Many kitties on this group are proof of that. The trick is on how to recognize and ensure a good quality of life for our furry friends. Is Schmutz taking any medication? My cat is currently breathing at 35 to 37 while resting. Sometimes when he starts breathing at 40 the vet tells me to add lasix in the afternoon. See I just don't think in my case that my Tiger will be able to be off lasix due to his advanced stage. But as long as he is eating, purring, and being his sweet normal self I will continue to fight for him. Now, after all pills are maxed out and I start to see him suffer then that's when I will consider letting go but until then there is a lot of living to do. My vet always asks me if he looks comfortable? Is he consent rating on breathing rather than doing other things? Is he eating? Is he social? If he is comfortable and his normal self she usually tells me to "let him be a cat" and to enjoy him as much as possible. No one can tell you how long Schmutz will live not even your vet. God is the one who decides. 

          Prayers for your sweet kitty, 

          Emily and Tiger 


          Emily Valentin-Baker, SSP
          Licensed Specialist in School Psychology 
          Nationally Certified School Psychologist 

          "Winners never quit. Quitters never win" ~ Mom  
        • Westgold
          When Tigger was first diagnosed with HCM at 6 months of age, I was so worried about him. I was even afraid to play with him. But I had a heart-to-heart with
          Message 4 of 5 , Dec 22, 2013
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            When Tigger was first diagnosed with HCM at 6 months of age, I was so worried about him.  I was even afraid to play with him.  But I had a heart-to-heart with my vet, who told me that kitties are "here for a good time, not a long time, so have a good time, the sun don't shine everyday".  So I make sure to play with Tigger everyday, make him run a little everyday -- shorter sessions of play a few times a day.  Never to the point where he starts breathing heavily.  But if he lays down, all play ceases instantly.  I think they do need to exercise, to keep their strength and fitness up, and the heart is a muscle too.  The best thing I did was get him a cat tree.  When I got it 4 years ago, he couldn't even climb to the top.  He did not have the muscle strength in his shoulders to pull himself up to the little house and shelf at the top.  But he kept after it, and now he bops up there like it's nothing.  He just turned 9, and you can hardly tell that he's sick. 
             
            NEVER allow anybody to give you a timeline.  As Emily and others have pointed out, there are all kinds of meds that they can give.  As long as kitty is engaged in life and eats and everything, we have to keep fighting for him.  Many cats on this list have lived like 10 or more years after the vet said they were doomed.  Each kitty is different, and the disease manifests in different ways, and there is no way for anybody to know.
             
            Just continue to do the best you can, work with a good cardiologist who can balance all the meds and fluids, etc.  Give your kitty so much love, and soak up all the love he gives you.  That's all you need to know.   :)
             
            Happiest Christmas Blessings for all --
            from Michelle, Susie Q & Tigger Too in Toronto
             
             
             
             
             
             
             
            ----- Original Message -----
            Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2013 4:56 PM
            Subject: [FH] Re: Schmutz is in CHF

             

            Hi Blake and schmutz, 

            My cat tiger is currently recuperating from CHF. He has been there 4+ times. He is on 12.5 lasix once a day, enalapril and vetmedin. Yes kitties can recuperate and live after having a bout of CHF. Many kitties on this group are proof of that. The trick is on how to recognize and ensure a good quality of life for our furry friends. Is Schmutz taking any medication? My cat is currently breathing at 35 to 37 while resting. Sometimes when he starts breathing at 40 the vet tells me to add lasix in the afternoon. See I just don't think in my case that my Tiger will be able to be off lasix due to his advanced stage. But as long as he is eating, purring, and being his sweet normal self I will continue to fight for him. Now, after all pills are maxed out and I start to see him suffer then that's when I will consider letting go but until then there is a lot of living to do. My vet always asks me if he looks comfortable? Is he consent rating on breathing rather than doing other things? Is he eating? Is he social? If he is comfortable and his normal self she usually tells me to "let him be a cat" and to enjoy him as much as possible. No one can tell you how long Schmutz will live not even your vet. God is the one who decides. 

            Prayers for your sweet kitty, 

            Emily and Tiger 


            Emily Valentin-Baker, SSP
            Licensed Specialist in School Psychology 
            Nationally Certified School Psychologist 

            "Winners never quit. Quitters never win" ~ Mom  




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          • Blakey Girl
            From: blakey.girl@hotmail.com To: elfinmyst@aol.com Subject: RE: [FH] Re: Schmutz is in CHF Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2013 18:08:27 -0500 I m trying to be positive.
            Message 5 of 5 , Dec 22, 2013
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              From: blakey.girl@...
              To: elfinmyst@...
              Subject: RE: [FH] Re: Schmutz is in CHF
              Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2013 18:08:27 -0500

              I'm trying to be positive. The kid has nearly died 4 times from other things. Heck, he's the only survivor of his litter. since last night i was doing 20mg lasix every 8 hours but right now he's on 20 lasix every 12 hours, 1/2 tab vetmedin 2x a day, enalapril once a day, azithromycin ( he has a lung issue unrelated we were trying to clear up ) and fragmin 2x day.


              To: feline-heart@yahoogroups.com
              From: elfinmyst@...
              Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2013 15:21:25 -0500
              Subject: [FH] Re: Schmutz is in CHF

               



              Hi there

              Please don't give up yet. With CHF there are two important things. One is lasix to get the fluid off the chest, the other is a medication to help the heart. What meds is Schmutz on? When my cats go into CHF they either add or increase a drug, like atenolol, fortekor, vetmedin. Let us know what he's on. Also you can add a second diuretic called spironolactone. The important thing is to get fluid off the chest and that requires heavy lasix sometimes. What doses are you giving?

              Lyn

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