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  • Mirsades
    Well...went to a 3rd vet this morning and the news is ok on some issues but bad on another. She doesn’t think he has IBD because he doesn’t have the
    Message 1 of 19 , Oct 18, 2013
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      Well...went to a 3rd vet this morning and the news is ok on some issues but bad on another. She doesn’t think he has IBD because he doesn’t have the typical symptoms, only the vomiting issue. Don’t remember what she said about the possibility of a previous pancreatitis that’s going away. Those were the ok/good? diagnosis. The bad....is BAD. His heart condition is not good. His coloring is pale, she said not a good perfusion rate when she touched his gums, his ears were cold and his underbody also. His pink nose is pale. She said that shows a lack of oxygen. She also thinks the vomiting, especially in the morning after first feeding is from the digestive area not getting enough oxygen from sleeping all night, being still.
       
      She told me about the possibility, which I already knew about, of a blood clot traveling to his hind quarters “saddle thrombosis” which will paralyze his hind legs and he will be screeming in pain. Also the sudden death from a heart attack issue. I wish I would have gone to her in the beginning of all this because she showed concern for both of us. There was a call from a doctor that came in while she was in the room with me that she needed to take and she said for me to wait because she wanted to come back and discuss things more with me which was wonderful. She wanted to see him back in two weeks but changed that to a week. I hate putting him through the stress of going in the carrier and the car, he gets so scared and that can’t be good for his heart.
       
      She tried to comfort me with the fact that Romeeoh is being well cared for and is loved and that I am doing everything I can for him. I keep a running journal of times he is fed, medicine given, vomit/regurgitation, etc. It’s like a little hospital chart in a notebook. She also was concerned about me because I have been having problems with my heart acting up and losing 12 pounds in the past 3 weeks!!! She said if I feel I couldn’t handle this she would support my decision to put him down. I can’t do that, not yet, he still is alert to things going on outside and would play if I play with him but for obvious reasons, I am afraid to. She wants him to lose 2 pounds, saying that it would be easier on his heart and would rather see him on the skinny side. He weighs 12 pounds now. I can feed him 1 can of fancy feast per day, the cans are pretty small and he always wants to eat. I wish I would have been giving him canned food a year ago instead of the dry that I think caused a lot of this problem, maybe not, but I guess I feel I need to blame something. She also gave me some vitamins, both chewable pill and a paste, with vitamin E and taurine.
       
      I haven’t cleaned my house or watered my vegetable garden, nothing. Everything seems to be dying all around me. All I care about is being with him right now. Sorry to sound so morbid, it’s just how I feel and it hurts really bad. I guess I should end this before it turns into a novel. I pray that I can get through what ever time I have left with him. I’m glad people here are supportive as it’s what we both need right now, thanks for being there for us.
       
      Mirsades & Romeeoh <=^..^=>

      "The righteous one is caring for the soul of his domestic animal" Proverbs 12:10

      RIP - Mungkee (2010) Kitty (2001) Groucho (1999) Mei Ling (1991) Chandar (1989) Lemo (1988) Destiny (1987)
    • marianna.mayer
      Tough report. But I am so glad that you ve have finally found a compassion vet with knowledge. I did not know...wonder how many members do.?..that vomiting in
      Message 2 of 19 , Oct 18, 2013
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        Tough report. But I am so glad that you've have finally found a compassion vet with knowledge. I did not know...wonder how many members do.?..that vomiting in the AM could be a sign of lack of oxygen. Very frightening. I already know the scenarios she described to you. How awful. Stick with this vet. Although I would not try to drop his weight too quickly, that also can be *very* stressful to his little body at a time like this. Be careful.
        Hugs
         Marianna

         
        Well...went to a 3rd vet this morning and the news is ok on some issues but bad on another. She doesn’t think he has IBD because he doesn’t have the typical symptoms, only the vomiting issue. Don’t remember what she said about the possibility of a previous pancreatitis that’s going away. Those were the ok/good? diagnosis. The bad....is BAD. His heart condition is not good. His coloring is pale, she said not a good perfusion rate when she touched his gums, his ears were cold and his underbody also. His pink nose is pale. She said that shows a lack of oxygen. She also thinks the vomiting, especially in the morning after first feeding is from the digestive area not getting enough oxygen from sleeping all night, being still.
         
        She told me about the possibility, which I already knew about, of a blood clot traveling to his hind quarters “saddle thrombosis” which will paralyze his hind legs and he will be screeming in pain. Also the sudden death from a heart attack issue. I wish I would have gone to her in the beginning of all this because she showed concern for both of us. There was a call from a doctor that came in while she was in the room with me that she needed to take and she said for me to wait because she wanted to come back and discuss things more with me which was wonderful. She wanted to see him back in two weeks but changed that to a week. I hate putting him through the stress of going in the carrier and the car, he gets so scared and that can’t be good for his heart.
         
        She tried to comfort me with the fact that Romeeoh is being well cared for and is loved and that I am doing everything I can for him. I keep a running journal of times he is fed, medicine given, vomit/regurgitation, etc. It’s like a little hospital chart in a notebook. She also was concerned about me because I have been having problems with my heart acting up and losing 12 pounds in the past 3 weeks!!! She said if I feel I couldn’t handle this she would support my decision to put him down. I can’t do that, not yet, he still is alert to things going on outside and would play if I play with him but for obvious reasons, I am afraid to. She wants him to lose 2 pounds, saying that it would be easier on his heart and would rather see him on the skinny side. He weighs 12 pounds now. I can feed him 1 can of fancy feast per day, the cans are pretty small and he always wants to eat. I wish I would have been giving him canned food a year ago instead of the dry that I think caused a lot of this problem, maybe not, but I guess I feel I need to blame something. She also gave me some vitamins, both chewable pill and a paste, with vitamin E and taurine.
         
        I haven’t cleaned my house or watered my vegetable garden, nothing. Everything seems to be dying all around me. All I care about is being with him right now. Sorry to sound so morbid, it’s just how I feel and it hurts really bad. I guess I should end this before it turns into a novel. I pray that I can get through what ever time I have left with him. I’m glad people here are supportive as it’s what we both need right now, thanks for being there for us.
         
        Mirsades & Romeeoh <=^..^=>

        "The righteous one is caring for the soul of his domestic animal" Proverbs 12:10

        RIP - Mungkee (2010) Kitty (2001) Groucho (1999) Mei Ling (1991) Chandar (1989) Lemo (1988) Destiny (1987)
      • elfinmyst
        Hi What medicine is Romeeoh on? If he has lack of oxygen, there are medications to help the heart function better. Is he on something to prevent clots? I`m
        Message 3 of 19 , Oct 19, 2013
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          Hi
           
          What medicine is Romeeoh on? If he has lack of oxygen, there are medications to help the heart function better. Is he on something to prevent clots? I`m not sure if you said what he was on, but can you remind us?
           
          Lyn
           
        • Laurie Stead
          What is he taking to prevent a blood clot?  Plavix?  Personally I would be less concerned about a diet right now. A couple pounds over is going to be
          Message 4 of 19 , Oct 19, 2013
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            What is he taking to prevent a blood clot?  Plavix?  Personally I would be less concerned about a "diet" right now. A couple pounds over is going to be helpful if and when he experiences inappetance.  I am not a vet but personally the dedication to his heart meds and making sure he is eating with a decent quality of life certainly outweigh shedding a few pounds.  I know how stressful it all is... just remember you won't be able to care for him if you get sick. So take a deep breath and make today a YOU day.  Relax or go water that beautiful garden of yours.  You destressing ultimately destresses your little guy too.  They do pick up on our sickness and stress.  I hope things turn around for you both. Lean on us.... we're here to help you through it. 

            Laurie and Boo



            On Saturday, October 19, 2013 7:05 AM, "elfinmyst@..." <elfinmyst@...> wrote:
             
            Hi
             
            What medicine is Romeeoh on? If he has lack of oxygen, there are medications to help the heart function better. Is he on something to prevent clots? I`m not sure if you said what he was on, but can you remind us?
             
            Lyn
             


          • Mirsades
            Hi Lyn, He is on 6.25mg of atenolol, sometimes famotidine and the vet just gave me two kinds of vitamins for him. She wanted him to have extra vitamin E that
            Message 5 of 19 , Oct 19, 2013
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              Hi Lyn,
               
              He is on 6.25mg of atenolol, sometimes famotidine and the vet just gave me two kinds of vitamins for him. She wanted him to have extra vitamin E that is supposed to be good for the heart. I mentioned extra taurine and she said that would be good too and both vitamins have it. I am having many doubts still, especially about the “lack of oxygen” thing. I’m sure animals bodies work like people’s when they are scared. Correct me if I’m wrong but......when scared, all the blood goes internally to all the important organs, getting ready for the fight or flight response. To me....that would mean that the extremities WOULD be paler. Am I crazy for thinking this???
               
              Mirsades
               
              Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2013 4:04 AM
              Subject: Re: [FH] Romeeoh Update
               
               

              Hi
               
              What medicine is Romeeoh on? If he has lack of oxygen, there are medications to help the heart function better. Is he on something to prevent clots? I`m not sure if you said what he was on, but can you remind us?
               
              Lyn
               
            • Laurie Stead
              Copying the group for more input.  If an ultrasound was done and heart disease dx why do you think it may not be?  Maybe a cardiologist would be able to
              Message 6 of 19 , Oct 20, 2013
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                Copying the group for more input.  If an ultrasound was done and heart disease dx why do you think it may not be?  Maybe a cardiologist would be able to interpret the tests done for a consult fee?  Better than subjecting him to a long car ride if you think the stress is too much (and the tests were already done?).  You really need to have a firm heart dx to know how to best help him.  If the vet is worried about blood clots you should definitely be giving him preventative medicine like Plavix.  I think a cardio consult / visit is needed here.

                Laurie and Boo


                On Saturday, October 19, 2013 12:05 PM, Mirsades <mirsades@...> wrote:
                Hi Laurie,
                 
                He isn’t taking anything for that. He’s just taking 6.25mg of atenolol. I read that atenolol can shorten the survival rate so that concerns me too. This last vet did mention aspirin but also said that it is toxic to cats and should only be given 2 times a week. I just don’t know what to think anymore. He seems so normal, likes to play, is always hungry. Sometimes I think I should just say the heck with everything and just let him live out whatever time he has left. The vet didn’t think he has IBD because he doesn’t really have the symptoms, other than the vomiting. But I think he east too fast in the morning because 5 minutes after he eats it comes back up. I caught it in the bowl again this morning and he re-ate it and is fine.
                 
                The other thing concerning me?? If the diagnosis of IBD was not right, maybe the heart issue is not right? But.....3 vets all heard a murmur but I’ve read that young cats can grow out of murmur’s. So what if the diagnosis is not as bad as the ultrasound person said (severe feline hypertropic cardiomyopathy)?? Cardiologists are very far from me, over 2 hours, and it would probably be even longer through Los Angeles traffic!!! It would be stressful for him to ride that long and I would have to find someone to go with me/drive me because of my partial blindness.
                 
                This is so difficult.
                 
                Mirsades & Romeeoh <=^..^=>

                "The righteous one is caring for the soul of his domestic animal" Proverbs 12:10

                RIP - Mungkee (2010) Kitty (2001) Groucho (1999) Mei Ling (1991) Chandar (1989) Lemo (1988) Destiny (1987)
                 
                 
                 
                Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2013 5:29 AM
                Subject: Re: [FH] Romeeoh Update
                 
                 
                What is he taking to prevent a blood clot?  Plavix?  Personally I would be less concerned about a "diet" right now. A couple pounds over is going to be helpful if and when he experiences inappetance.  I am not a vet but personally the dedication to his heart meds and making sure he is eating with a decent quality of life certainly outweigh shedding a few pounds.  I know how stressful it all is... just remember you won't be able to care for him if you get sick. So take a deep breath and make today a YOU day.  Relax or go water that beautiful garden of yours.  You destressing ultimately destresses your little guy too.  They do pick up on our sickness and stress.  I hope things turn around for you both. Lean on us.... we're here to help you through it. 

                Laurie and Boo



                On Saturday, October 19, 2013 7:05 AM, "elfinmyst@..." <elfinmyst@...> wrote:
                 
                Hi
                 
                What medicine is Romeeoh on? If he has lack of oxygen, there are medications to help the heart function better. Is he on something to prevent clots? I`m not sure if you said what he was on, but can you remind us?
                 
                Lyn
                 


                 
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              • marianna.mayer
                Sorry to disagree regarding tests...but an ultrasound is *not* sufficient to dx heart disease or the degree of heart disease your cat may have. To do this
                Message 7 of 19 , Oct 20, 2013
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                  Sorry to disagree regarding tests...but an ultrasound is *not* sufficient to dx heart disease or the degree of heart disease your cat may have. To do this properly, and the reason it costs roughly a $1000 US dollars [requiring follow ups that may be less costly] is b/c one needs a specialist, i.e. a cardio specialist to do further tests for accuracy, EEG, and measurements to be taken of the heart, xrays of the lungs, etc. A simple ultrasound, which in the US costs roughly $125--150 depending upon who does it and where will not give you the dx information to determine proper treatment.
                   Marianna

                • Mary Sue Rubin
                  I agree Marianna. Without an echocardiogram I would not have gotten a complete or even helpful diagnosis. My first and second echos (5 months later) cost
                  Message 8 of 19 , Oct 20, 2013
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                    I agree Marianna. Without an echocardiogram I would not have gotten a complete or even helpful diagnosis.  My first and second echos (5 months later) cost almost $600 each. This comes with being present with the cardiologist for the echo, talking with the doctor about the results following the procedure, phone consultations whenever I needed, and a written report. Esther’s x-rays every 4 months or so, if needed, and the original ultrasound (about $300) are separate.

                     

                    Mary Sue

                     

                     

                    From: feline-heart@yahoogroups.com [mailto:feline-heart@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mmayer11@...
                    Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2013 3:02 PM
                    To: feline-heart@yahoogroups.com
                    Subject: Re: [FH] Romeeoh Update

                     

                     

                    Sorry to disagree regarding tests...but an ultrasound is *not* sufficient to dx heart disease or the degree of heart disease your cat may have. To do this properly, and the reason it costs roughly a $1000 US dollars [requiring follow ups that may be less costly] is b/c one needs a specialist, i.e. a cardio specialist to do further tests for accuracy, EEG, and measurements to be taken of the heart, xrays of the lungs, etc. A simple ultrasound, which in the US costs roughly $125--150 depending upon who does it and where will not give you the dx information to determine proper treatment.

                     Marianna

                     

                  • bspringsted425
                    Hi Mirsades, Just wondering if your vet put him on oxygen when she noticed that he seemed low on it? When my Wendy was first diagnosed, her symptoms were
                    Message 9 of 19 , Oct 20, 2013
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                      Hi Mirsades,
                      Just wondering if your vet put him on oxygen when she noticed that he seemed low on it? When my Wendy was first diagnosed, her symptoms were breathing distress and pale gums. The vet suspected her heart right from the beginning, but the very first thing that was done was putting her in an oxygen tank and then going from there. She spent 2 1/2 days at the vet, on oxygen before we could take her home. The vet started her on medicine as soon as an ultrasound and x-ray were done, but every time they took her off oxygen, she went back into breathing distress. After 2 1/2 days it seemed like her body had regained enough oxygen to be able to stay stabilized on the medicine alone. So basically, I'm wondering if Romeeoh was put on oxygen at all because he might need to be.

                      As for your question about blood moving to the organs, I can't answer that because I'm not sure of the answer. What I DO know is from my own experience. Gums seem to be a great indication of oxygen levels. I have had experience with 3 different cats with pale gums and all 3 of them were having oxygen problems. One was a cat years ago with leukemia and he developed anemia. His gums were usually bright pink and at the end, they turned almost pure white. The second was a cat with asthma. His gums also went from bright pink to almost white, but returned to pink as soon as he was able to breathe properly. And my third is my heart kitty. Her gums were pale the night we brought her to the vet with breathing problems. So based on my own personal experience I would certainly think that a change in gum color is a good indication of oxygen levels. But with that being said, you also need to know what the gums looked like before. I have one cat who has always had very pale gums and there is nothing wrong with her. Her gums are just naturally pale. I would be more concerned about them changing to pale. As for cold extremities, all of my cats with pale gums, also had cold feet, tail and ears...so it seems to me like it was connected. As for their noses though. My current vet initially said that Wendy had a pale nose and that was an indication of low oxygen levels. While Wendy DID have low oxygen levels, her nose isn't something to judge it by. I've had her for 9 years and from the very beginning, when she is calm, her nose is pale. When she's stressed, it's bright pink. At her calmest moments, her nose is almost white. At her most stressed it looks almost red. She stresses out in the car, but not at the vet once she's there. So her pale nose didnt indicate anything other than the fact that she was feeling calm. Once I told the vet this, the vet has only looked at her gums for oxygen indication. Once the vet saw that her gums were bright pink while her nose was light pink, she realized that her nose wasn't a good indicator. So maybe it depends on the individual cat,but while I think you have some genuine things to question about what your vet has said, sadly, I think that she is probably correct in her assessment of the low oxygen levels.

                      If I'm wrong, hopefully someone will jump in and correct me.

                      Meanwhile, I hope both you and Romeeoh are hanging in there. I know how stressful it can be. It took me over a month to finally relax with Wendy. I still feel stressed and I still panic about things, but the feeling of being worn out and stressed 24/7 did pass. You just have to make sure to take care of yourself too! Hang in there!

                      Brooke

                      --- In feline-heart@yahoogroups.com, "Mirsades" <mirsades@...> wrote:
                      >
                      > Hi Lyn,
                      >
                      > He is on 6.25mg of atenolol, sometimes famotidine and the vet just gave me two kinds of vitamins for him. She wanted him to have extra vitamin E that is supposed to be good for the heart. I mentioned extra taurine and she said that would be good too and both vitamins have it. I am having many doubts still, especially about the “lack of oxygen” thing. I’m sure animals bodies work like people’s when they are scared. Correct me if I’m wrong but......when scared, all the blood goes internally to all the important organs, getting ready for the fight or flight response. To me....that would mean that the extremities WOULD be paler. Am I crazy for thinking this???
                      >
                      > Mirsades
                      >
                      > From: elfinmyst@...
                      > Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2013 4:04 AM
                      > To: feline-heart@yahoogroups.com
                      > Subject: Re: [FH] Romeeoh Update
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > Hi
                      >
                      > What medicine is Romeeoh on? If he has lack of oxygen, there are medications to help the heart function better. Is he on something to prevent clots? I`m not sure if you said what he was on, but can you remind us?
                      >
                      > Lyn
                      >
                      > www.myfurkids.co.uk
                      > .
                      >
                    • marianna.mayer
                      Right, Mary Sue. We have learned from experience. Costly certainly, but here is a time...no insurance for my boy [but I learned my lesson with this]...I never
                      Message 10 of 19 , Oct 20, 2013
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                        Right, Mary Sue. We have learned from experience. Costly certainly, but here is a time...no insurance for my boy [but I learned my lesson with this]...I never begrudge the cost, b/c issues with the heart *must* be dx, monitored, treated and followed by a licensed highly recommended cardio specialist in my opinion. In this case there is no messing around, you get what you pay for. But these costs different, as with human medical care, from state to state and among countries.
                         Marianna

                         
                        I agree Marianna. Without an echocardiogram I would not have gotten a complete or even helpful diagnosis.  My first and second echos (5 months later) cost almost $600 each. This comes with being present with the cardiologist for the echo, talking with the doctor about the results following the procedure, phone consultations whenever I needed, and a written report. Esther’s x-rays every 4 months or so, if needed, and the original ultrasound (about $300) are separate.
                         
                        Mary Sue
                         
                         
                        From: feline-heart@yahoogroups.com [mailto:feline-heart@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mmayer11@...
                        Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2013 3:02 PM
                        To: feline-heart@yahoogroups.com
                        Subject: Re: [FH] Romeeoh Update
                         
                         
                        Sorry to disagree regarding tests...but an ultrasound is *not* sufficient to dx heart disease or the degree of heart disease your cat may have. To do this properly, and the reason it costs roughly a $1000 US dollars [requiring follow ups that may be less costly] is b/c one needs a specialist, i.e. a cardio specialist to do further tests for accuracy, EEG, and measurements to be taken of the heart, xrays of the lungs, etc. A simple ultrasound, which in the US costs roughly $125--150 depending upon who does it and where will not give you the dx information to determine proper treatment.
                         Marianna
                         
                      • ESID
                        Glad to read this, I heard of much lower prices by some members on the CRF list and had a feeling that I had been skinned when I was charged the same as you
                        Message 11 of 19 , Oct 20, 2013
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                          Glad to read this, I heard of much lower prices by some members on the CRF list and had a feeling that I had been skinned when I was charged the same as you mention here. This is real money; between kidney check-up blood chemistry at least once a month, the cost of that consultation each time, the x-rays and the necessary U/S check-ups plus consultation even a bit more here in the NY area to see if the medications are right and working this turns out a very expensive disease. Currently I feel like trying out one or two more cardiologists and then settle on one that I feel best with.
                          Pimobendan/Vetmedin $1.30 per day is also adding up and not sure if it is helping with my Sammy's DCM, the rest of the medications very inexpensive though at www.thrivingpets.

                          Sent from my iPad with mysterious typos

                          On Oct 20, 2013, at 8:57 PM, mmayer11@... wrote:

                          Right, Mary Sue. We have learned from experience. Costly certainly, but here is a time...no insurance for my boy [but I learned my lesson with this]...I never begrudge the cost, b/c issues with the heart *must* be dx, monitored, treated and followed by a licensed highly recommended cardio specialist in my opinion. In this case there is no messing around, you get what you pay for. But these costs different, as with human medical care, from state to state and among countries.
                           Marianna

                           
                          I agree Marianna. Without an echocardiogram I would not have gotten a complete or even helpful diagnosis.  My first and second echos (5 months later) cost almost $600 each. This comes with being present with the cardiologist for the echo, talking with the doctor about the results following the procedure, phone consultations whenever I needed, and a written report. Esther’s x-rays every 4 months or so, if needed, and the original ultrasound (about $300) are separate.
                           
                          Mary Sue
                           
                           
                          From: feline-heart@yahoogroups.com [mailto:feline-heart@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mmayer11@...
                          Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2013 3:02 PM
                          To: feline-heart@yahoogroups.com
                          Subject: Re: [FH] Romeeoh Update
                           
                           
                          Sorry to disagree regarding tests...but an ultrasound is *not* sufficient to dx heart disease or the degree of heart disease your cat may have. To do this properly, and the reason it costs roughly a $1000 US dollars [requiring follow ups that may be less costly] is b/c one needs a specialist, i.e. a cardio specialist to do further tests for accuracy, EEG, and measurements to be taken of the heart, xrays of the lungs, etc. A simple ultrasound, which in the US costs roughly $125--150 depending upon who does it and where will not give you the dx information to determine proper treatment.
                           Marianna
                           
                        • elfinmyst
                          Hi Pimobendan is also available as the Cardisure brand. Might be cheaper, it is here. Lyn _www.myfurkids.co.uk_ (http://www.myfurkids.co.uk/)
                          Message 12 of 19 , Oct 21, 2013
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                            Hi
                             
                            Pimobendan is also available as the Cardisure brand. Might be cheaper, it is here.
                             
                            Lyn
                             
                          • Elfinmyst
                            Hi Pimobendan is Vetmedin and is used in heart disease. There has been little research in cats but it has been a life saver for two of mine. It is
                            Message 13 of 19 , Oct 21, 2013
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                              Hi Pimobendan is Vetmedin and is used in heart disease. There has been little research in cats but it has been a life saver for two of mine. It is contraindicated in HCM but my HCM girl has used it for 5 years now and she was the one diagnosed as a 3 month kitten and given only months to live.

                              Lyn


                            • Mirsades
                              Does anyone know if giving extra fluids (Sub-Q) is not good for a heart kitty? I thought I read that somewhere. Mirsades
                              Message 14 of 19 , Oct 21, 2013
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                                Does anyone know if giving extra fluids (Sub-Q) is not good for a heart kitty? I thought I read that somewhere.
                                 
                                Mirsades
                              • Karen Plasket
                                It is not good, particularly if they have congestive heart failure. Karen Plasket, DVM ... From: Mirsades To: feline-heart
                                Message 15 of 19 , Oct 21, 2013
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                                  It is not good, particularly if they have congestive heart failure.
                                  Karen Plasket, DVM
                                  -----Original Message-----
                                  From: Mirsades <mirsades@...>
                                  To: feline-heart <feline-heart@yahoogroups.com>
                                  Sent: Mon, Oct 21, 2013 1:19 pm
                                  Subject: [FH] Extra Fluids

                                   
                                  Does anyone know if giving extra fluids (Sub-Q) is not good for a heart kitty? I thought I read that somewhere.
                                   
                                  Mirsades
                                • Debbie Loffredo
                                  Correct, fluids(sub-q or iv) are contraindicated for heart kitties. It was the challenge to try and treat my kitty for his 2nd bout of liver disease without
                                  Message 16 of 19 , Oct 22, 2013
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                                    Correct,  fluids(sub-q or iv) are contraindicated for heart kitties.  It was the challenge to try and treat my kitty for his 2nd bout of liver disease without fluids.  The first time we were unaware of the hcm.  It was as he was successfully recovering from the liver disease and than developed chf.  Steroids and sub-q fluids were big part of his treatment.  Being a Ragdoll it had to be with him all him life .
                                    From: Mirsades
                                    Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 1:19 PM
                                    Subject: [FH] Extra Fluids

                                    Does anyone know if giving extra fluids (Sub-Q) is not good for a heart kitty? I thought I read that somewhere.
                                     
                                    Mirsades
                                  • Mirsades
                                    Hi everyone, Well.....we saw the specialists, cardiology and internist. Didn’t get much information from the internist. Cardiology: She said she wouldn’t
                                    Message 17 of 19 , Nov 16, 2013
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                                      Hi everyone,
                                       
                                      Well.....we saw the specialists, cardiology and internist. Didn’t get much information from the internist.
                                       
                                      Cardiology:  She said she wouldn’t have used the word “severe” for his hypertrophic cardiomyopathy. She looked at the ultrasound that was done that I brought but really wanted to do her own. I couldn’t afford that ($400) so went with what I had. She said it is good that his left atrium is not enlarged, per the ultrasound, that is a good thing. She mentioned that they don’t know if the Atenolol is doing any good. It could or it couldn’t but suggested that I keep him on it. Wants to do the ultrasound in 3 months, I told her maybe next spring. I asked about his blood pressure and she said she could take it for $68 !!!! Sheesh, do they ever think about the animal instead of your wallet?? She mentioned the possibility of blood clots but didn’t think that was a worry right now because the heart was not enlarged. Said it was ok for him to exercise and eat and didn’t seem concerned with his weight or losing any.
                                       
                                      Internist:  This was a disappointment. He didn’t even examine Romeeoh but went with what the ultrasound showed. He wanted to do an endoscopy ($1400) of his stomach and intestine and take some biopsies to see if he had IBD, that was the way they diagnose it and that vomiting everyday is not normal. He didn’t have an answer for why Romeeoh would regurgitate/vomit after the first meal of the day but be fine eating the rest of the day. Suggested not feeding the fancy feast but stick with one type of protein. I was feeding him rabbit dry food and chicken fancy feast. It is very hard trying to find a limited ingredient (rabbit only) canned food. I am feeding him only the rabbit dry right now and he really misses his canned food.
                                       
                                      Before the vet visit, he was starting to skip a day between regurgitating. I have stopped recording every feeding, regurg., pill, etc. and am leaving dry food out all the time now. Will have to see if he adapts and hopefully I won’t have to follow him around with a newspaper to catch things 5 minutes after he eats. His weight is back up to a little over 12 pounds. They both will be sending a report to my local vet so I will contact him next week and see what the reports said.
                                       
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                                    • Elfinmyst
                                      Hi That sounds quite a good report and yes, everything is so expennsive. If its a consolation my Tess vomited her breakfast every morning for years, but never
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                                        Hi

                                        That sounds quite a good report and yes, everything is so expennsive. If its a consolation my Tess vomited her breakfast every morning for years, but never any other meal. Sometimes she ate it twice! We never found out why, but assume she was just hungry and greedy and gulped it down too much and too fast. 

                                        Lyn
                                      • Westgold
                                        Funny you say this. My soul-kitty Pooh was diabetic for 4 years before I cured him with diet. The insulin makes them hungry, and he was always begging for
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                                          Funny you say this.  My soul-kitty Pooh was diabetic for 4 years before I cured him with diet.  The insulin makes them hungry, and he was always begging for more food.  He used to regurgitate regularly, a few times a week, and then eat it right up again.  I always wondered if he did it to like psychologically think he ate twice as much food ..... 
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                                          Hi

                                          That sounds quite a good report and yes, everything is so expennsive. If its a consolation my Tess vomited her breakfast every morning for years, but never any other meal. Sometimes she ate it twice! We never found out why, but assume she was just hungry and greedy and gulped it down too much and too fast. 

                                          Lyn

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