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  • acidsoda
    I really don t have time to read all the information right now. But my cat just threw a clot to both his hind legs, according to the doctor, he has no pulse in
    Message 1 of 13 , Aug 16, 2013
      I really don't have time to read all the information right now. But my cat just threw a clot to both his hind legs, according to the doctor, he has no pulse in either of his hind legs anymore. Please tell me what's the best that you guys know about treating this. He's in the hospital right now, and this problem just occurred 90 mins ago. We rushed him to the hospital, but it's not too optimistic. Please please help out. THanks.
    • acidsoda
      They are treating him with Heparin right now//
      Message 2 of 13 , Aug 16, 2013
        They are treating him with Heparin right now//




        --- In feline-heart@yahoogroups.com, "acidsoda" <r17re@...> wrote:
        >
        > I really don't have time to read all the information right now. But my cat just threw a clot to both his hind legs, according to the doctor, he has no pulse in either of his hind legs anymore. Please tell me what's the best that you guys know about treating this. He's in the hospital right now, and this problem just occurred 90 mins ago. We rushed him to the hospital, but it's not too optimistic. Please please help out. THanks.
        >
      • acidsoda
        I can t get to my cardiologist right now, while she no longer works with the hospital
        Message 3 of 13 , Aug 16, 2013
          I can't get to my cardiologist right now, while she no longer works with the hospital

          --- In feline-heart@yahoogroups.com, "acidsoda" <r17re@...> wrote:
          >
          > I really don't have time to read all the information right now. But my cat just threw a clot to both his hind legs, according to the doctor, he has no pulse in either of his hind legs anymore. Please tell me what's the best that you guys know about treating this. He's in the hospital right now, and this problem just occurred 90 mins ago. We rushed him to the hospital, but it's not too optimistic. Please please help out. THanks.
          >
        • elfinmyst
          Hi Heparin and painkillers are standard.. good you got him there quickly. There was something about using DMSO but I dont know how that works, maybe the vet
          Message 4 of 13 , Aug 16, 2013
            Hi

            Heparin and painkillers are standard.. good you got him there quickly.
            There was something about using DMSO but I dont know how that works, maybe the
            vet does? I hope someone else knows about that.. I`m so sorry, it's very
            serious, I`ll pray for you.

            Lyn

            _www.myfurkids.co.uk_ (http://www.myfurkids.co.uk/)

            [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
          • acidsoda
            thank you thank you thank you!
            Message 5 of 13 , Aug 16, 2013
              thank you thank you thank you!

              --- In feline-heart@yahoogroups.com, elfinmyst@... wrote:
              >
              > Hi
              >
              > Heparin and painkillers are standard.. good you got him there quickly.
              > There was something about using DMSO but I dont know how that works, maybe the
              > vet does? I hope someone else knows about that.. I`m so sorry, it's very
              > serious, I`ll pray for you.
              >
              > Lyn
              >
              > _www.myfurkids.co.uk_ (http://www.myfurkids.co.uk/)
              >
              > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
              >
            • acidsoda
              Hi all, I asked my sister to come on the group to ask these questions for me as I was in the ER so there are some misinformation. Right now the ER vet is NOT
              Message 6 of 13 , Aug 16, 2013
                Hi all,

                I asked my sister to come on the group to ask these questions for me as I was in the ER so there are some misinformation. Right now the ER vet is NOT treating Scotch with any heparin. He is currently on pain killer and will be given lasix because he panicked when his hind legs went limp and started panting. He panted all the way to the ER and is breathing quite fast at the moment. The ER vet said that the use of anticogulant is very controversial and in his opinion, it is the best to wait until the cat is stabilized to give him heparin. But, I am not sure whether if the ER vet really felt so or he wanted to not go ahead with the treatment until he consult with a internist TOMORROW morning. He is also very strong in 'informing' me that euthanasia is the best way to go and pause every now and then to wait for me to change my mind about treating him. It's made me desperate and insecure in the situation. I don't know how I can give up hope on such a young cat. He is only 5 years old and I just can't, not without trying. Even when he is in oxygen tank, he still respond to my touch well, dragged his limp legs to turn around just so he can see me face to face.

                Please let me know your opinion on what is the best time to use heparin in your experience? I'm concern about waiting for an extended period time before giving any anti-clot treatment.

                I will be researching as much as possible well. And will be visiting my cat later tonight. Will take any opinion and research to the vet with me. Thank you all so much.

                Zoe




                --- In feline-heart@yahoogroups.com, elfinmyst@... wrote:
                >
                > Hi
                >
                > Heparin and painkillers are standard.. good you got him there quickly.
                > There was something about using DMSO but I dont know how that works, maybe the
                > vet does? I hope someone else knows about that.. I`m so sorry, it's very
                > serious, I`ll pray for you.
                >
                > Lyn
                >
                > _www.myfurkids.co.uk_ (http://www.myfurkids.co.uk/)
                >
                > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                >
              • Michele Turns
                Read the very last for a vet to call!! I want to share a lifesaving option that my vet used on my 4yr old cat when he threw a blood clot resulting in saddle
                Message 7 of 13 , Aug 16, 2013
                  Read the very last for a vet to call!!



                  I want to share a lifesaving option that my vet used on my 4yr old cat when he threw a blood clot resulting in saddle thrombus.

                  My 4yr old cat was diagnosed with CHF on 12/28/12. The heart failure is unclassified and they have no idea what the cause is. He's been on medications since 12/28/12 and the Specialist said his heart failure was moderate but the biggest concern is a blood clot. On 1/10/13 the worst happened. I went into his sick kitten room at 7am to give him his meds. He was under the bed struggling to breath and laying in urine. I pulled him out and realized he was paralyzed. His hind feet, tail was not moving and he was in congestive heart failure with fluid in his lungs once again. I panicked!!

                  I rushed him to a local vet that opened at 8 am, my regular vet did not open till 10am. The vet gave him a shot of Lasix but said he was critical and would not make the 30 min trip to the 24/7 Emergency Clinic. We took the risk. At the Emergency Clinic after a 10 min exam the vet said my cat Baxter threw a blood clot and it caused saddle thrombus, pieces had gone into his lungs sending him into CHF a second time. He suggested Euthanasia as there were just "no options", I requested he speak to the Heart Specialist I had seen a week prior before I made any decision. The Specialist also felt there were "no options" and euthanasia was the only thing that I could do. I was told Baxter would not survive 48 hrs. I was devastated but unwilling to lose my cat at 4 yrs old. I also knew my cat and looking at his he was not ready to go and was fighting for his life.

                  I had the emergency vet give Baxter pain meds and try to get the fluid off his lungs and heart and then assess the saddle thrombus. In 4 hrs Baxter was breathing normally again still he was not moving his hind end. After 24 hrs I brought him home, he could not get to food, water or the litter box. I spent the next 24 hrs sleeping on the floor with him jumping to ever need of his. Setting him in the litter box, cleaning him after and offering water and food every 30 mins.

                  On 1/12/13 I brought him to my regular vet, completely unsure of what else to do. The clot had split in two and Baxter had small motions in his hips and tail but it was not looking good. My regular vet spoke to me and said that the prognosis was not good and showed me all the reports saying euthanasia needed to be done.

                  One of the receptionists over heard the discussion with my regular vet and spoke up suggesting I speak with the facility owner and senior vet which I did. The senior vet knew of an old school uncommon treatment. It was worth a shot. That night I came in and Baxter was given and injection of 1/10th DMSO into his veins. This is used commonly for horses and humans but not for small animals. DMSO promotes circulation and breaks up clots. It can also be used on dogs and cats with liver failure to flush the liver or so I've been told. The senior vet had used this treatment for cats that had thrown blood clots and had saddle thrombus, in all her cases the cats never threw a clot again and recovered from saddle thrombus and walked again. The only side effect is an over powering smell of Rotten Garlic coming from your cat for about a week.

                  After the first treatment of DMSO Baxter regained circulation in his tail and one of his hind legs. Two days later we did a second treatment of DMSO. After 24 hrs Baxter had full circulation to all parts of his body. He started walking on the hind foot that was last to regain circulation.

                  It is now 1/25/13 and Baxter is on the move, he has been active and figuring out ways to climb to the window sill. He is still only walking on one of his hind legs and the vet is hopeful that the Nerves will heal in 6-8weeks and Baxter will be his old self again.

                  Today I received a brace from OrthoVet and put it on Baxter to help him walk and not drag his hind leg. Baxter is getting used to the brace and is walking with both his legs.

                  The Specialist was shocked to know that Baxter survived and is recovering. The senior vet plans to take a video and pictures of Baxter and send them to the Specialist and 24/7 Emergency Vet with the treatments we did so they will be aware of old school options that are no longer used can make the difference between life and death for a beloved friend and family member.

                  As to Baxters' Unclassified Heart Failure, the vet tested him for Bartenella, he was positive. She believes that Bartenella is the cause of Heart Failure and we are treating him for that as well. After 12 days now of treatment he is doing remarkably well.

                  We will be seeing the Specialist on 2/7/13 for a recheck and will determine if there are more blood clots inside his heart waiting to break loose or if the DMSO has dissolved the clots giving Baxter a second chance at life.

                  Speak to your vet about DMSO treatments before your cat throws a blood clot. Have your vet consult with Dr. Jan White @ Lake Sawyer Vet in Kent Washington if they are unsure of how to do the treatment. You can find Lake Sawyer Vet and South Sound Critter Care on Facebook.

                  I am eternally grateful to Dr. White for saving Baxter's life.






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                • Carol
                  Zoe, This ER vet sounds like he doesn t know how to handle this situation. Almost all cats who throw clots do get heparin in the hospital. I would NOT listen
                  Message 8 of 13 , Aug 16, 2013
                    Zoe,

                    This ER vet sounds like he doesn't know how to handle this situation. Almost all cats who throw clots do get heparin in the hospital. I would NOT listen to this vet about euthanizing him yet. There is a good chance he can pull through this. No one thought our Christopher would survive his thrombosis, and he did and he could walk again in a month. I would give Scotch a chance. I would push for the vet to start him on some kind of blood thinner. Lasix alone isn't going to do anything for a clot. It's a diuretic and is for dying up the fluid in the body (lungs, heart). There must be some kind of treatment done to prevent more clots from happening.

                    I've had another cat, my angel Sweetie, who threw clots a few times and she survived all of them. She was 18 years old and lived almost a year after that. Scotch is younger and stronger...I would give him every chance!

                    I would definitely get him to another vet though... one who is aggressive with treating thrombosis and heart failure. You need an internist and/or a cardiologist.

                    Keeping Scotch in our prayers.

                    Carol, Misty and the gang














                    -----Original Message-----
                    From: acidsoda <r17re@...>
                    To: feline-heart <feline-heart@yahoogroups.com>
                    Sent: Fri, Aug 16, 2013 6:36 pm
                    Subject: [FH] Re: Emergency: NOT receiving heparin right now






                    Hi all,

                    I asked my sister to come on the group to ask these questions for me as I was in the ER so there are some misinformation. Right now the ER vet is NOT treating Scotch with any heparin. He is currently on pain killer and will be given lasix because he panicked when his hind legs went limp and started panting. He panted all the way to the ER and is breathing quite fast at the moment. The ER vet said that the use of anticogulant is very controversial and in his opinion, it is the best to wait until the cat is stabilized to give him heparin. But, I am not sure whether if the ER vet really felt so or he wanted to not go ahead with the treatment until he consult with a internist TOMORROW morning. He is also very strong in 'informing' me that euthanasia is the best way to go and pause every now and then to wait for me to change my mind about treating him. It's made me desperate and insecure in the situation. I don't know how I can give up hope on such a young cat. He is only 5 years old and I just can't, not without trying. Even when he is in oxygen tank, he still respond to my touch well, dragged his limp legs to turn around just so he can see me face to face.

                    Please let me know your opinion on what is the best time to use heparin in your experience? I'm concern about waiting for an extended period time before giving any anti-clot treatment.

                    I will be researching as much as possible well. And will be visiting my cat later tonight. Will take any opinion and research to the vet with me. Thank you all so much.

                    Zoe






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                  • Carol
                    Dr. Jan White at Sawyer Lake Vet Hospital http://www.sawyerlakevethospital.com/staff/dr_white.htm ... From: Michele Turns To: acidsoda
                    Message 9 of 13 , Aug 16, 2013
                      Dr. Jan White at Sawyer Lake Vet Hospital

                      http://www.sawyerlakevethospital.com/staff/dr_white.htm
















                      -----Original Message-----
                      From: Michele Turns <mturns@...>
                      To: acidsoda <r17re@...>
                      Cc: feline-heart <feline-heart@yahoogroups.com>
                      Sent: Fri, Aug 16, 2013 7:43 pm
                      Subject: Re: [FH] Emergency: NOT receiving heparin right now


                      Read the very last for a vet to call!!




                      Speak to your vet about DMSO treatments before your cat throws a blood clot.
                      Have your vet consult with Dr. Jan White @ Lake Sawyer Vet in Kent Washington if
                      they are unsure of how to do the treatment. You can find Lake Sawyer Vet and
                      South Sound Critter Care on Facebook.

                      I am eternally grateful to Dr. White for saving Baxter's life.






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                    • Carol
                      Sorry, that should have been drying up the fluid. ... Lasix alone isn t going to do anything for a clot. It s a diuretic and is for dying up the fluid in the
                      Message 10 of 13 , Aug 16, 2013
                        Sorry, that should have been "drying up" the fluid.

                        >>
                        Lasix alone isn't going to do anything for a clot. It's a diuretic and is for dying up the fluid in the body (lungs, heart).
                        >>


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                      • Karen Plasket
                        Hi Zoe, Scotch does need Heparin, or at the very least baby aspirin. I ve used DMSO very successfully in small animals, but not in a cat with saddle
                        Message 11 of 13 , Aug 17, 2013
                          Hi Zoe,
                          Scotch does need Heparin, or at the very least baby aspirin. I've used DMSO very successfully in small animals, but not in a cat with saddle thrombus...we use 1mL of DMSO and add 9mL of sterile water or saline. In my opinion, it would be worth it to try this, and should not affect any other health issue (and the heart trumps other organs). Every doctor has their opinion on treatments, and what they are personally comfortable with. I try to give my clients all the options, and let them help with the best decision for their own pet.
                          Karen Plasket, DVM


                          -----Original Message-----
                          From: acidsoda <r17re@...>
                          To: feline-heart <feline-heart@yahoogroups.com>
                          Sent: Fri, Aug 16, 2013 9:36 pm
                          Subject: [FH] Re: Emergency: NOT receiving heparin right now






                          Hi all,

                          I asked my sister to come on the group to ask these questions for me as I was in the ER so there are some misinformation. Right now the ER vet is NOT treating Scotch with any heparin. He is currently on pain killer and will be given lasix because he panicked when his hind legs went limp and started panting. He panted all the way to the ER and is breathing quite fast at the moment. The ER vet said that the use of anticogulant is very controversial and in his opinion, it is the best to wait until the cat is stabilized to give him heparin. But, I am not sure whether if the ER vet really felt so or he wanted to not go ahead with the treatment until he consult with a internist TOMORROW morning. He is also very strong in 'informing' me that euthanasia is the best way to go and pause every now and then to wait for me to change my mind about treating him. It's made me desperate and insecure in the situation. I don't know how I can give up hope on such a young cat. He is only 5 years old and I just can't, not without trying. Even when he is in oxygen tank, he still respond to my touch well, dragged his limp legs to turn around just so he can see me face to face.

                          Please let me know your opinion on what is the best time to use heparin in your experience? I'm concern about waiting for an extended period time before giving any anti-clot treatment.

                          I will be researching as much as possible well. And will be visiting my cat later tonight. Will take any opinion and research to the vet with me. Thank you all so much.

                          Zoe

                          --- In feline-heart@yahoogroups.com, elfinmyst@... wrote:
                          >
                          > Hi
                          >
                          > Heparin and painkillers are standard.. good you got him there quickly.
                          > There was something about using DMSO but I dont know how that works, maybe the
                          > vet does? I hope someone else knows about that.. I`m so sorry, it's very
                          > serious, I`ll pray for you.
                          >
                          > Lyn
                          >
                          > _www.myfurkids.co.uk_ (http://www.myfurkids.co.uk/)
                          >
                          > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                          >








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                        • acidsoda
                          We lost Scotch in one day. We were able to get a cardiologist who would work aggressively on Scotch s treatment with us but Scotch s body started to reperfuse
                          Message 12 of 13 , Aug 20, 2013
                            We lost Scotch in one day. We were able to get a cardiologist who would work aggressively on Scotch's treatment with us but Scotch's body started to reperfuse too quickly, his potassium level was on the brink of killing his heart and we had to put him to sleep. We are having trouble accepting and coping with his death and needed some time away from everything. We just want to thank everyone who reached out to us and was thinking of us in the past few days. Thank you all for your support and it meant a lot to us. I won't be checking my email in the next few weeks or however long it takes for us to come to term with his death and living without him. He's really our dearest.

                            We did also contacted Dr. Jan White from Sawyer Lake about DMSO who was extremely helpful and kind to us. I don't know if it would, but we always thought it could have been the treatment that could have save Scotch if it were given to him immediately after his clot and because his reperfusion started so early on and he is the scaredy cat that he is who can't not be with us. I think it is definitely something worth discussing with your vet and cardiologist about.


                            Best,

                            Zoe
                            Scotch and Ziggy
                          • rosemairew20
                            Zoe, I am so sorry for your loss of Scotch. You tried your hardest and did everything you could in the fight for his life. He knew he was loved and that you
                            Message 13 of 13 , Aug 21, 2013
                              Zoe,

                              I am so sorry for your loss of Scotch. You tried your hardest and did everything you could in the fight for his life. He knew he was loved and that you were there for him. It's never easy to loose a friend, take time to grieve. We are keeping you in our thoughts and prayers.

                              Rose
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