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  • elfinmyst
    Hi Josh had a seizure several years ago, it was horrible and he was 13 then. We rushed him to the vets and by then he was back to normal. He hasn t had one
    Message 1 of 12 , Jul 23, 2013
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      Hi
      Josh had a seizure several years ago, it was horrible and he was 13 then.
      We rushed him to the vets and by then he was back to normal. He hasn't had
      one since and there was no known reason for it. Anti epileptic drugs may
      help but Josh only had the one that day and nothing since.

      Lyn

      _www.myfurkids.co.uk_ (http://www.myfurkids.co.uk/)

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    • June Jeffrey
      Hello Plankysmom,   I m so sorry Plankton is going through this.  I just wanted to let you know that in my experience and in answer to your question, no, it
      Message 2 of 12 , Jul 23, 2013
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        Hello Plankysmom,
         
        I'm so sorry Plankton is going through this.  I just wanted to let you know that in my experience and in answer to your question, no, it is not necessarily the end.  I know how frightening it is watching your kitty have a seizure, especially the first time, but there is help and treatment available. 
         
        My Daisy started having seizures in August 2011 when she was 18.  As they were clustering (three in around five hours) I took her to the vet who did a blood test.  The results received the next day gave no indication of any cause so epilepsy was diagnosed.  I chose not to put her through a spinal tap and MRI (with vet's agreement) but having done some research and finding out that seizures in cats can be treated with phenobarbital, I asked for this treatment and my vet agreed.
         
        I was prescribed liquid pheno - Ephiphen solution 4% w/v oral drops - and Daisy initially had 0.1ml x 2 daily which brought the seizures under control within a week.  She stayed on this dose until last November when it was increased to 0.1.2.5ml x 2 daily after a blood test showed the serum phenol levels at less than the therapeutic value for cats.  She had a breakthrough seizure in November before the pheno was increased.  Three weeks ago she had a series of cluster seizures over 36 hours, each one progressively shorter.  These stopped after increasing the phenol dose to 0.1.5ml x 2 daily.
         
        Heart disease can be associated with seizures - you may find this article of interest/use: http://www.veterinary-neurologist.co.uk/docs/epilepsy_diagnosis.pdf

        As Daisy also has early stage cronic renal failure (CRF) I also belong to the CRF group.  Seizures can be CRF related so I went to Tanyas CRF website for information.  There is lots available there and I've attached two links below which I hope will be useful to you.  The second link in particular has loads of information, including on different types of seizure.  The information was certainly a godsend to me. 

        http://www.felinecrf.org/symptoms.htm#seizures_potassium

        http://www.harpsie.com/epilepsy.htm#what_happens_seizure

        Many vets do not have much experience of dealing with seizures in cats, so my advice would be to get as much information as you can to enable you to discuss all treatment options which are available.

        The is also an excellent yahoo feline epilepsy group which I would strongly recommend you join for more help, information and support - http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/epi-felines/

        I do hope this helps.  Please keep us updated and give Plankton a cuddle from me.

        Will be keeping you and Plankton in my thoughts.

        Best wishes,

        June, Freddie and Daisy and Angels Felix, Smudge and Fleur





         
         


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        From: plankysmom <jjehlar@...>
        To: feline-heart@yahoogroups.com
        Sent: Tuesday, 23 July 2013, 0:55
        Subject: [FH] Help seizure experience anyone?

         

        Plankton had three seizures in half an hour today. We took him to vet where he had three more. He is stable, heart beat good, respirations good, lungs clear, fine between seizures, seizures last about twenty to thirty seconds. Is this the end? Vet has no idea why this is happening.



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      • Lisa
        Your vet should have done blood work to rule out metabolic causes (liver, kidneys). If it s not metabolic, it s neurologic which is trickier to diagnose. Our
        Message 3 of 12 , Jul 23, 2013
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          Your vet should have done blood work to rule out metabolic causes (liver,
          kidneys). If it's not metabolic, it's neurologic which is trickier to
          diagnose. Our Thundercat had seizures, and through the process of
          elimination it was decided the most likely culprit was a brain tumor. He
          lived four years with it, before finally succumbing ... to old age.

          Three seizures in a half an hour would send most vets running for
          phenobarbital because clusters like that are associated with status
          epilepticus, which is potentially life threatening. Our vet here is a cat
          specialist (they only treat cats) but epilepsy in cats isn't all that
          different than epilepsy in any other animal.

          If your vet truly had "no idea" what might be causing this then I would
          take Plankton to another vet. If it's metabolic it needs to be treated.
          If it's neurologic, treatment options are limited but there are meds to
          control the seizures. The good news is that as dramatic as seizures are,
          the cat doesn't remember them and they're not painful, per se.

          Lisa


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        • marianna.mayer
          I agree, Lisa. But a cluster or even a single grand mal can raise the BP alarmingly high, causing a potential stroke regardless of the root cause. That stroke,
          Message 4 of 12 , Jul 23, 2013
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            I agree, Lisa.
            But a cluster or even a single grand mal can raise the BP alarmingly high, causing a potential stroke regardless of the root cause. That stroke, if it doesn't kill the animal can cause temporary damage to the brain and inflammation of the brain that in turn can look like a brain tumor on a MRI. I had to deal with this with my dog, the specialists mis- dx the root cause as an inoperable [b/c of location] brain tumor...a glioblastoma...they were wrong. He was treated with phenobarbital and antibiotics for multi tick borne diseases [in his case the root cause of the seizures]. Eventually he was weaned off the meds, and the seizures never returned. He lived seizure free for 5 more years.
            I think Carol touched on many lesser known factors that can cause seizures. I actually filed her post, b/c I belong to a Feline-Cancer list that could benefit from her input.


            The good news is that as dramatic as seizures are,
            the cat doesn't remember them and they're not painful, per se.

            Lisa





            Marianna








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          • Westgold
            Hi -- I m so sorry to hear about Polar Bear. Unfortunately our kitties are very fragile and we never get to keep them as long as we want to. Yes, Pooh also
            Message 5 of 12 , Jul 23, 2013
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              Hi -- I'm so sorry to hear about Polar Bear. Unfortunately our kitties are
              very fragile and we never get to keep them as long as we want to. Yes, Pooh
              also told me very clearly when it was time for him to go back to heaven. I
              took him to our kind regular vet when I woke up and found him looking like
              hell. They put us in a room, and Pooh wouldn't let me hold him, so I put
              him on the table and kinda leaned over him to put my arms around him that
              way. As soon as the vet came in he said "shit" -- so he could tell just by
              looking at Pooh that it was time. We talked for a while, and I looked into
              Pooh's eyes -- he said so clearly, please let me go. It was the hardest
              thing I ever had to do.

              You can see my precious Pooh and add your memorials to your kitties at our
              memorial site http://www.AngelKitties.com -- we'd love to see their pictures
              and learn how you met, etc. All kitties are welcome, no matter how long
              they've been in heaven.

              take care -- Michelle in Toronto

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              From: <harris.rose@...>
              To: "Westgold" <westgold@...>
              Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 10:30 AM
              Subject: Re: [FH] Help seizure experience anyone?


              I just want to say I'm so sorry for this huge loss. Some of these kitties
              really get to us and the love is indescribable. I'm so sorry for your pain
              here but you both had such good lives together.

              I just went through this with my Angel Polar Bear. Was obviously a brain
              tumor and I waited until he told me it was time but it was soooooo hard
              letting him go. He was long haired white fluffy boy and a real touch stone
              for me, with his amazing coat. I miss his dearly.

              Bless you for helping so many kitties.
              mary

              --- In feline-heart@yahoogroups.com, "Westgold" <westgold@...> wrote:
              >
              > Oh, dear, brings back horrible memories of my soul-kitty. Pooh was just
              > fine, no heart disease. On Mother's day 9 years ago he suddenly started
              > seizing. He was 16 1/2. Rushed him to the ER. In that 30 minutes or so
              > he had several 30-second seizures, I could hear him thrashing around in
              > the carrier in the back seat, it broke my heart. They were able to stop
              > the seizures, but he had overheated horribly which almost shut down his
              > kidneys. We transferred him to a critical care veterinary clinic, and he
              > stayed 10 days. Expert care and $6000 brought him around, and I was able
              > to take him home. I had to give him some different meds, and also give
              > him fluids twice a day to help clear his kidneys. He made a remarkable
              > recovery actually, his kidney values returned to normal, and he never had
              > another seizure. (He did however have these episodes where he seemed to
              > like freeze, just staring off into space. As soon as I touched him or
              > called his name, he snapped out of it.) He was not his same old self, but
              > he seemed okay. Well he was drugged with anti-seizure meds. He spent most
              > of his time next to my pillow on the bed, and I gave him his meds and fed
              > him there, etc. He did come down sometimes, to use the box and go into
              > the livingroom. But they were sure the seizures were caused by a brain
              > tumor. I didn't put him through the tests. After about 3 1/2 months, one
              > night he left the bed and went into the living room and didn't come back
              > to sleep with me. I went and got him, but he left immediately. The next
              > morning he was in a corner of the living room and just looked like hell.
              > We went to our regular vet who said he'd probably had a stroke because of
              > the brain tumor, and I helped him move up to heaven immediately. It was
              > the hardest thing I ever had to do, I have never loved anyone as much as I
              > loved him. I still cry for him regularly, I still miss him so much.
              >
              > I was told that when older kitties seizure, it is almost always a brain
              > tumor. You can probably have a better outcome than Pooh had, because your
              > kitty is in much better shape after the seizures. He should be on
              > anti-seizure meds. Does he have heart disease? How old is he?
            • keycmv
              Had this happen to our girl years ago, then nothing again for 5 years. You never know. Carol
              Message 6 of 12 , Jul 23, 2013
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                Had this happen to our girl years ago, then nothing again for 5 years.

                You never know.

                Carol

                --- In feline-heart@yahoogroups.com, "plankysmom" <jjehlar@...> wrote:
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                > Plankton had three seizures in half an hour today. We took him to vet where he had three more. He is stable, heart beat good, respirations good, lungs clear, fine between seizures, seizures last about twenty to thirty seconds. Is this the end? Vet has no idea why this is happening.
                >
              • rosemairew20
                My cat had seizures as part of his CHF. They were caused by blood clots. My vet had an acronym for them, but it was basically micro clots to the brain.
                Message 7 of 12 , Jul 23, 2013
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                  My cat had seizures as part of his CHF. They were caused by blood clots. My vet had an acronym for them, but it was basically micro clots to the brain. However, the seizures my cat had would last longer then 30 seconds and would often make him tired for the rest of the day. His also happened once every month. It doesn't sound like Plankton's seizures are clot related but you never know. If not already on Plavix to prevent clots it might be worth a try to see if the seizures stop.

                  --- In feline-heart@yahoogroups.com, "plankysmom" <jjehlar@...> wrote:
                  >
                  > Plankton had three seizures in half an hour today. We took him to vet where he had three more. He is stable, heart beat good, respirations good, lungs clear, fine between seizures, seizures last about twenty to thirty seconds. Is this the end? Vet has no idea why this is happening.
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